The Ultimate Life Form ~ Shadow the Hedgehog for Smash Ultimate! (Maria...)

[Jedisupersonic]

So I've been thinking about what differences Shadow could have if he becomes an Echo Fighter and I can't think of much. With Pit and Dark Pit there's a difference in their arrows and arm moves. What could they do between both Sonic and Shadow? I can see Shadow's movement being different since he has the air shows, so they'd have to make his run animation different. But aside from that I can't think of anything else. Any ideas?

His specials would probably hit harder, if I had to guess, maybe instead of spindashing being a combo tool it'd be more used to finish people off.

 

[KMDP]

You know, I can see them making Shadow Sonic's Luigi: sharing a lot, but not all, of the same moves, having less ground traction ('cause skates), higher jumps, etc.

 

[Troykv]

The ground movement should be at least be different (because that is different even in the games where Sonic and Shadow are clone characters), with slippery physics and everything.

 

[KMDP]

The ground movement should be at least be different (because that is different even in the games where Sonic and Shadow are clone characters), with slippery physics and everything.

Shadow runs on 'rocket skates', it only makes sense that he'd be slippery when they're in use, huh?

 

[Jedisupersonic]

You know, I can see them making Shadow Sonic's Luigi: sharing a lot, but not all, of the same moves, having less ground traction ('cause skates), higher jumps, etc.

I also just see him being a little slower but more powerful than Sonic, if they go that far.

 

[josh bones]

If shadow gets revealed, I expect them to do the SA2 opening like generations did.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Updated the OP and the supporters list, KMDP .

Surprised that the thread has grown this much. We are consistantly on the front page. Keep up the good work.

 

[TerminatorLOL]

While I would prefer if Shadow was more of a Luigi styled clone, so that moves like his Up B could be his signature Chaos Control teleport.

But if he is going to have the same spring jump as Sonic I think they should reskin them to look like the ones from his game, with that rusted out look.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/File:ShTH_Spring.png

 

[Troykv]

While I would prefer if Shadow was more of a Luigi styled clone, so that move like his Up B could be his signature Chaos Control teleport.

But if he is going to have the same spring jump as Sonic I think they should reskin them to look like the ones from his game, with that rusted out look.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Spring/Gallery

That would be nice; it still works like a spring; and gives Shadow his own thematic item.

 

[TerminatorLOL]

Haven't seen anyone post this as another Shadow song that would be cool to fight to.

 

[SonicMario]

The Shadow game has probably one of the more forgettable soundtracks (There's not many levels you can name them and I'll remember what their theme sounded like other then Cryptic Castle) but most of the Vocal Tracks were still pretty fun and/or good listens. (Favorite out of them is probably All... Of Me, though on the opposite side I think All Hail Shadow is too cheesy even for Sonic standards. Almost Dead is also the most stereotypically edgy theme in the game xP)

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Haven't seen anyone post this as another Shadow song that would be cool to fight to.

While it'd be cool I don't see it getting in before his other themes that he's had.

 

[Mastermiine]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...nnouncements_to_share_at_this_years_comic-con

Could this be a Shadow smash announcement?

I know it seems almost unlikely that sega would announce a character but who knows.

 

[vVv Rapture]

Hey everyone just jumping in and saying I want Shadow, but not as an Echo, I want Shadow with a motorcycle and dual pistols. Would actually be super down for that lmao

(Either way good luck, Shadow would be sick and way better than Sonic, echo or not ^_^)

 

[SonicMario]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...nnouncements_to_share_at_this_years_comic-con

Could this be a Shadow smash announcement?

I know it seems almost unlikely that sega would announce a character but who knows.

No, this is mainly for the IDW comics. And if there's any substantial video game stuff, mainly some more advertising for Sonic Mania Plus, and maybe another reveal for Team Sonic Racing (Probably Eggman's team I'd assume). But I wouldn't expect Smash at all.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...nnouncements_to_share_at_this_years_comic-con

Could this be a Shadow smash announcement?

I know it seems almost unlikely that sega would announce a character but who knows.

It seems a bit too unlikely to me, but then again Shulk was revealed in some 3DS Japanese direct.

It's possible just not very likely imo.

 

[Mastermiine]

Hey everyone just jumping in and saying I want Shadow, but not as an Echo, I want Shadow with a motorcycle and dual pistols. Would actually be super down for that lmao

(Either way good luck, Shadow would be sick and way better than Sonic, echo or not ^_^)

I am in the opposite of that. If shadow had a motorcycle and dual pistols that would 100% keep me away from ever playing him.

 

[TerminatorLOL]

I would never want the guns back since they don't really work with the tone of the series. (even though gamplay wise they worked really well in that game). Also hasn't realistic looking guns like that been a no-no for these games? Hence why that ray gun became a flash light.

The bike should only ever return in those Sonic car racing games (weird how they haven't been doing that twice in a row now). Besides Wario already has a motorcycle attack.

Spoiler: Shadow likes the bike

 

[Mastermiine]

It seems a bit too unlikely to me, but then again Shulk was revealed in some 3DS Japanese direct.

It's possible just not very likely imo.

Yeah, probably not. One could only hope...

 

[SEGAGameBoy]

I've played a couple of games to know a good bit about him. I'm planning on getting Sonic Mania for my PS4. I support!

 

[DarkFoxTeam]

While I would prefer if Shadow was more of a Luigi styled clone, so that moves like his Up B could be his signature Chaos Control teleport.

But if he is going to have the same spring jump as Sonic I think they should reskin them to look like the ones from his game, with that rusted out look.

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Spring/Gallery

I really like this idea. It's such a simple change, but it works out really well for Shadow. I hope this ends up being what happens if he's an Echo Fighter.

 

[TerminatorLOL]

Wow I only just found out the 3DS version of Sonic Generations had remixes to these songs

Spoiler: Supporting Me

Spoiler: Radical Highway

Spoiler: For True Story

 

[SuperNintendoKid]

I think Shadow would be a great echo fighter for sonic, one of two echo fighters i actually want in smash, add me to that support list :3

 

[DarkFoxTeam]

Wow I only just found out the 3DS version of Sonic Generations had remixes to these songs

Spoiler: Supporting Me

Spoiler: Radical Highway

Spoiler: For True Story

I'm guessing you never played the 3DS version of Generations? It had some pretty good remixes. I had a lot of fun playing it. I just wish it wasn't so painfully short.

 

[TerminatorLOL]

I'm guessing you never played the 3DS version of Generations? It had some pretty good remixes. I had a lot of fun playing it. I just wish it wasn't so painfully short.

Nope, only played it on the 360. I heard the Time Eater Boss fight in that version of the game was actually not terrible in a top Sonic bosses video once, so I did know it was pretty different.

Still I didn't expect them to have Sonic go through Radical Highway (Shadow's "Greenhill" basically) and fight the Biolizard, since they don't really relate to him. Its neat though.

 

[ZagarTulip]

I think it'd be cool to have Shadow playable. I would prefer him be unique but that is personal preference. I support

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I think it'd be cool to have Shadow playable. I would prefer him be unique but that is personal preference. I support

I could have it either way and be happy honestly, I think it's a win win.

 

[Mastermiine]

I could have it either way and be happy honestly, I think it's a win win.

I agree! I am so excited for the potential to add shadow!

I also think if they add shadow it would be cool to add silver. Having all 3 hedgehogs in the game could be a fun concept.

 

[DarkFoxTeam]

Nope, only played it on the 360. I heard the Time Eater Boss fight in that version of the game was actually not terrible in a top Sonic bosses video once, so I did know it was pretty different.

Still I didn't expect them to have Sonic go through Radical Highway (Shadow's "Greenhill" basically) and fight the Biolizard, since they don't really relate to him. Its neat though.

Yea the Time Eater was much better than the PS3 version (which was the version I played). It was also weird how they had Sonic go through Radical Highway (I was expecting Metal Harbor), but I wasn't complaining. Regardless, It was all some really nice fan service.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Sonic Team Racing is getting a prequel comic.

https://nintendoeverything.com/team-sonic-racing-getting-prequel-comic/

Shadow again showing prominently haha.

 

[smashingDoug]

They could add Fire what shoots out of ships Shoes like Zero Suit Samus

I’m going say this here while I will take shadow as Sonic rep it will bug me if he shares the same red spring from Sonic’s up B. I know that’s how echos work but at least change the colour.

Also I don’t even like Sonic’s Up B the Ring toss from Soinc Battle would of been great to see

 

[Houndstooth]

Sonic Team Racing is getting a prequel comic.

https://nintendoeverything.com/team-sonic-racing-getting-prequel-comic/

Shadow again showing prominently haha.

With the current Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle writer? That's cool. I know it is a single issue, but the Turtles usually has a one-shot issue every now and again. Hope it's good. Been planning on picking up the current Sonic IDW run.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

With the current Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle writer? That's cool. I know it is a single issue, but the Turtles usually has a one-shot issue every now and again. Hope it's good. Been planning on picking up the current Sonic IDW run.

I still need to check out the current run myself.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

I'd like to reiterate an idea I had for shadow as a clone, (I honestly agree with KMDP, Echo is not the best way to get Shadow in) where we use Chaos control like tipper and make it a move property for moves like spring jump, so he can recover better with the spring jump end lag

 

[JaylonSonicSpeed]

While I'd personally prefer Tails or Knuckles as the second Sonic rep, since Knuckles is now an Assist Trophy and Tails unlikely as a newcomer, I'll gladly take Shadow as an Echo Fighter of Sonic. He honestly fits the bill for that role more than any other character in the series in my opinion, even Metal Sonic or Classic Sonic. I discredit Metal because he rarely uses any of Sonic's attacks or anything similar outside of Spin Attacks, and Classic because of height differences (and honestly "Modern" Sonic in Smash now I feel represents the character well enough). Shadow, while still being the most diverse from these three, he shares more with Sonic at the same time in attacks and properties (ala SA2). Also, as far as I'm aware, Shadow is still the 2nd most popular character in the franchise behind Sonic, especially to the younger demographic, so I think his spot would be more than well deserved. The only problem he faces is being a 3rd party and the potential 1st 2nd rep for a 3rd party (that's a lot of ordinal numbers), but he still has my support. And if you guys didn't mind, I'd love to share my personal moveset of how I'd see Shadow as an Echo Fighter.

 

[ThatGuyWhoKnowsNothing]

While I'd personally prefer Tails or Knuckles as the second Sonic rep, since Knuckles is now an Assist Trophy and Tails unlikely as a newcomer, I'll gladly take Shadow as an Echo Fighter of Sonic. He honestly fits the bill for that role more than any other character in the series in my opinion, even Metal Sonic or Classic Sonic. I discredit Metal because he rarely uses any of Sonic's attacks or anything similar outside of Spin Attacks, and Classic because of height differences (and honestly "Modern" Sonic in Smash now I feel represents the character well enough). Shadow, while still being the most diverse from these three, he shares more with Sonic at the same time in attacks and properties (ala SA2). Also, as far as I'm aware, Shadow is still the 2nd most popular character in the franchise behind Sonic, especially to the younger demographic, so I think his spot would be more than well deserved. The only problem he faces is being a 3rd party and the potential 1st 2nd rep for a 3rd party (that's a lot of ordinal numbers), but he still has my support. And if you guys didn't mind, I'd love to share my personal moveset of how I'd see Shadow as an Echo Fighter.

I disagree with your assessment of his popularity, Shadows popularity was a product of his time, with the whole edge thing. ( I feel the best way to fix shadow for a younger audience is to turn him into Reverse Flash or Eobard Thawne, but that's just me) aside from that, I agree wholeheartedly, please, show us your move set. ( I can't find a way to word that un-condescendingly, so just know I mean it genuinely)

 

[GoodGrief741]

I disagree with your assessment of his popularity, Shadows popularity was a product of his time, with the whole edge thing. ( I feel the best way to fix shadow for a younger audience is to turn him into Reverse Flash or Eobard Thawne, but that's just me) aside from that, I agree wholeheartedly, please, show us your move set. ( I can't find a way to word that un-condescendingly, so just know I mean it genuinely)

Everything Sonic related is a product of its time. The mascot with attitude and the edgy rival were both cool when they were created, but people can still see past that and appreciate the characters for what they are.

 

[TerminatorLOL]

I feel the best way to fix shadow for a younger audience is to turn him into Reverse Flash or Eobard Thawne, but that's just me)

You want to turn Shadow into a psycho obsessed with killing his counterpart? Wound't that make him a even more unbearable egdelord like the Sonic Boom version of him?

Shadow to me should be like Dragonball Super's Vegeta.
Competitive, serious, and a loner. But also righteous, loyal, and with some funny quirks (like the bike thing I posted earlier)

 

[KMDP]

You want to turn Shadow into a psycho obsessed with killing his counterpart? Wound't that make him a even more unbearable egdelord like the Sonic Boom version of him?

Shadow to me should be like Dragonball Super's Vegeta.
Competitive, serious, and a loner. But also righteous, loyal, and with some funny quirks (like the bike thing I posted earlier)

Yes. Eobard Thorne makes sense within the context of DC, where most of the villains have some kind of mental illness driving their motivation (Eobard has Grandiose Delusions, for the record, he believes himself to be the 'real Flash'). Shadow works better as Sonic's Vegeta.

Anyway, Metal Sonic is the one who thinks he's the real Sonic.

 

[Bestmand902]

( I feel the best way to fix shadow for a younger audience is to turn him into Reverse Flash or Eobard Thawne, but that's just me)

Woah woah woah, isn't becoming LESS of a villain the point of Shadow's development? Also; Thawne's literally one of DC's most despicable and evil villains (I mean he's cool as hell but that's besides the point) and I feel like making Shadow more like him would be not only a step backwards in his character but also make him more edgy.