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The SSB Poll Lounge: DLC mode engaged

Discussion in 'Wii U / 3DS Character Discussion' started by Shorts, Jun 24, 2012.

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  1. Shorts

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    you should make a roster, and post it.
     
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    I love you ! You put all my fav chars in your wishlist! Even Kamek
     
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    I'll do a newcomer / veteran update after worky
     
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    Kinda the thing about Japan only characters... no one really has played their game(s). But nintendo seems to be reviving him so everyone that knows about him, expects he'll be in and votes for him.
     
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    Japan apparently doesn't have people.
     
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    Nope they don't~ They have advanced their civilization by putting their brains into robot bodies...for robo-erotic things.

    But on a poll that has very few Japanese voters, virtually no one has played the games the characters are coming from.
     
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    Even if there was more of a Japanese presence on this poll, Takamaru wouldn't be that much higher. He has a bit of popularity, but Japan doesn't really care about most retro characters at all, like even less than the west. At least for Smash.
     
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    And we don't even really. We just think Sakurai does so we've almost fooled ouraelves into actually caring. (For most people) Heck, my 500 results top 40 was 5 Small franchises (One retro), 10 Third parties, and 25 characters from existing franchises. We want expansion of existing franchises for the most part.
     
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    As of 800 ~

    Godly Tier
    · Mewtwo 529

    Top Tier
    · Megaman 473
    · Ridley 420
    · King K. Rool 408

    High Tier
    · Roy 372
    · Little Mac (Punch Out) 356
    · Palutena 302

    Mid Tier
    · Bowser Junior 289
    · Paper Mario 275
    · Isaac (Golden Sun) 275
    · Krystal 265
    · Waluigi 258
    · Chrom 251
    · Banjo & Kazooie 251
    · Shulk (Xenoblade) 245

    Lower Tier
    · Dixie Kong 229
    · Majora (Skull Kid) 223
    · Black Shadow 202
    · Samurai Goroh 202

    Bottom Tier
    · Bomberman 199
    · Lyn 197
    · 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 190
    · Ghirahim 189
    · 6th Gen Pokemon 183
    · Pac-Man 184
    · Lucina 179
    · Bayonetta 174
    · Toad 171
    · Doctor Mario 169
    · Mii (Wii Series) 168
    · Dark Samus 165
    · Rayman 160
    · Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 158
    · Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 154
    · Medusa 153
    · Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 153
    · King Boo 152

    Honerable Mentions
    · Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 148
    · Kamek 147
    · Balloon Fighter 145
    · Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 145
    · Viewtiful Joe 145
    · Rosalina 144
    · Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 143
    · Zoroark 140

    [collapse]· Saki (Sin & Punishment) 138

    · Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 138
    · Crono Trigger (Crono) 138
    · Toon Zelda 135
    · Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 134
    · Anna 133
    · Ashley 128
    · Captain Syrup 128
    · Vaati 127
    · Final Fantasy (Chocobo, Black Mage, Moogle, Cloud, Lightning) 127
    · Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 124
    · No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 122
    · Professor Layton 122
    · Claus (Masked Man) 121
    · Dillon (Rolling Western) 120
    · Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 118
    · Tetra 116
    · Shy Guy 115
    · Mona 115
    · Young Link 114
    · Ray MK (Custom Robo) 114
    · Dark Pit 112
    · Midna 111
    · Baby Mario & Luigi 110
    · Hades 110
    · Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 109
    · Wolf Link 104
    · Slippy 103
    · Villager (Animal Crossing) 103
    · Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 103
    · Toon Ganondorf 100
    · Fawful 99
    · Andy (Advanced Wars) 99
    · Porky 98
    · Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 96
    · Funky Kong 95
    · Impa 95
    · Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 95
    · Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 95
    · 95 (4.3%)
    · Bandana Dee 94
    · Magnus 94
    · Deoxys 93
    · Tharja 93
    · Daisy 92
    · K.K Slider (Animal Crossing) 90
    · Pokemon Trainer N 89
    · Plusle & Minun 89
    · Lip (Panel De Pon) 89
    · Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket, Plasma, Galactic, Aqua, Magma) 87
    · Black Knight 86
    · Viridi 85
    · Knuckle Joe 84
    · Genesect 82
    · Meowth 82
    · Toon Sheik 81
    · Fiora (Xenoblade) 81
    · 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 79
    · Kat & Ana 80
    · Classic Link 79
    · Prince Fluff 79
    · Pichu 78
    · Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 78
    · Micaiah 74
    · Baby Bowser 73
    · Tingle 73
    · Tiki 73
    · Pokemon Champion Cynthia 72
    · Jimmy T. 71
    · Robin (FE:A Avatar) 71
    · Alex (Golden Sun) 71
    · Soul Calibur (Nightmare, Ivy Valentine) 71
    · Eirika 69
    · Elite Beat Agents 68
    · Hector 67
    · Peppy 66
    · Yarn Kirby 65
    · Kumatora 64
    · Captain Rainbow 64
    · Jill (Drill Dozer) 64
    · Poo 63
    · Felix (Golden Sun) 61
    · Ninja Gaiden (Ryu Hayabusa) 61
    · Mew 60
    · Sylux 59
    · Adeliene 58
    · Jeff 58
    · Battletoads (Zitz) 58
    · KOS-MOS (Xenosaga) 58
    · Yarn Yoshi 57
    · Darkrai 57
    · Duck Hunt Dog 56
    · Mach Rider 56
    · Louie (Pikmin) 55
    · Matthew (Golden Sun) 54
    · Jody Summer 52
    · Captain N 52
    · Tempo (Harmo Knight) 52
    · Lanky Kong 51
    · Groose 50
    · Flint 50
    · Isa Jo (Sin & Punishment) 50
    · Zael (The Last Story) 50
    · Giygas 49
    · Ninten 49
    · Aeron (Pandora's Tower) 49
    · Mike Jones (Star Tropics) 49
    · Blood Falcon 48
    · Eggplant Wizard 48
    · Tekken (Heihachi, Jin, Kazuya) 48
    · Dragon Quest (Slime) 47
    · Captain Quartet (Pikmin III) 46
    · Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) 46
    · Resident Evil (Jill Valentine, Chris Redfeild, Leon Kennedy) 46
    · Caeda 45
    · Ephraim 45
    · Cranky Kong 44
    · Gardevoir 44
    · Meloetta 44
    · Paula 44
    · 44 (2.0%)
    · Phantom Zelda 43
    · Victini 43
    · NO THIRD PARTY CHARACTERS 42
    · Leon 41
    · Donkey Kong Junior 38
    · Excited Biker 38
    · Mallo (Pushmo) 38
    · Reyn (Xenoblade) 38
    · 38 (1.7%)
    · Eliwood 36
    · Bubbles (Clu Clu Land) 36
    · Anthony Higgs 35
    · Alex Roivas (Eternal Darkness) 35
    · Dunban (Xenoblade) 35
    · Muddy Mole (Mole Mania) 35
    · Marx 34
    · Panther 33
    · Andross 32
    · Walhart 31
    · Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) 31
    · Calista (The Last Story) 30
    · Elincia 29
    · Ana 28
    · Alice (Balloon Kid) 25
    · Sakura Samurai (Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword) 24
    · Orublon 23
    · Magolor 23
    · Ashley Robbins (Trace Memory / Another Road) 23
    · Tiki Tong 22
    · Stanly the Bugman 21
    · Gooey 21
    · Shake King 20
    · Deathborn 20
    · Pico 20
    · Leaf 19
    · Sigurd 19
    · Soren 19
    · Hunter (Fossil Fighter) 17
    · Heracles (Glory of Heracles)16
    · Kyle Hyde (Hotel Dusk) 16
    · Celice 14
    · Dr. Write (Sim City) 14
    · John Raimi (Geist) 14
    · Prince Richard (For the Frog the Bell Tolls) 14
    · Urban Champion 14
    · Daroach 13
    · Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club pt. II) 13
    · Hero (Magc Starsign / Vacation) 13
    · Kiddie Kong 12
    · Demille (Tomato Adventure) 12
    · Labrador / Grey Tabby (Nintendogs + Cats) 12
    · Lark (PilotWings) 12
    · Ryuta (Ouendan) 12
    · Welt (Soma Bringer) 12
    · Tamagon (Devil World) 11
    · Ryota Hayami (Wave Race) 10
    · Dr. Stewart 8
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    I see Mewtwo in god tier ofc he was made to be.
     
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    Ashley would be way higher if she were included in our Roster here, just saiyan.
     
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    What do you mean? And Ashley being as high as she is is sort of amazing. Wario characters have never gotten high on the polls.
     
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    Krystal, Paper Mario, Lyn and King Boo scored much higher than I thought they would.
     
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    Krystal's always scored pretty high, believe it or not. She used to score much higher than she does now even.
     
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    I looked at your previous polls you're right. I hadn't noticed it though, but hey she kept her legacy as one of the more requested characters from Brawl to Smash Bros 4.
     
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    I think for the most part, most of the requested characters during Brawl who didn't actually get in Brawl are still requested relatively frequently. It's only been five years, and it's not like there has been many "major" characters introduced, or suddenly become more important within' their franchise. Palutena would be the exception for the former, and Bowser Junior would be the exception for the latter.

    And yes, Palutena might have well been newly introduced to the series, because prior to her reveal for KI:U, no one wanter her. OR Medusa for that matter. KI:U MADE those characters.
     
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    I'm not sure why people are automatically assuming Venus of the Desert Bloom is the Japanese voter. He hasn't logged on this site ever since February 13th, 2013, so we don't even know if he's even aware of this poll.
    Odd, I thought Bowser Jr's popularity was stronger on here than on most websites. I noticed more supporters of him on here for one.
    I've always thought that Mario character has very strong popularity in the West anyway, so considering how big the YouTube community is, I wouldn't be surprised to see a jump in requests for Mario rep, especially Junior since I see a ton of rosters with him on it.
    Like John, I could also argue why I think Mega Man fits in really well with the Nintendo world (although it'd be really difficult by nature), but I do have something that Sakurai just might consider with Geno; that he would be the easiest character to fit in of all the third-party reps.

    This is because his only major role was in a Mario game and he might as well be considered a Mario character since he's never appeared outside of Mario titles. I think Geno along with the contents of Super Mario RPG can fit in pretty easily in comparison to other third-parties and that could play an advantage for Geno.
     
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    Toad is also very popular on Youtube too.
     
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    XD yh i noticed that lol i used to go out of here too look at other sites too see there views on chars but there so retarded...PeePz think just because Sakurai added 2 3rd partys in Brawl everyone is like..

    ''OmfGhh M4st3r ChEEF foru SmAsHHH...'' (-_-)
     
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    Toad's requests here have to do with age group for some as well. I think Junior's chances (whatever they may be) are better than Toad's.
     
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    Petey Piranna>All other mario reps Apart from Kamek but hes a yoshi rep right?
     
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    Where do you see Master Chief as a character in a person's roster?
    Yes, Kamek would be a Yoshi rep.
     
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    He's just not as popular as Mewtwo and Lucario.

    Sorry Sport.
     
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    I'm a bit surprised that Bayonetta has as many votes as she does and that Takamaru comparatively doesn't have many at all despite the hype I see around here. I guess out of all the retros he still has the highest number of votes. (Does Dr. Mario even count as retro anymore?)

    Anyone here actually played/beaten his game?
     
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    It's mostly a mix of people who think Bayonetta is a Nintendo character now (or think that the exclusivity of Bayonetta 2 basically amounts to the same thing), people who are reading too much into Sakurai visiting Platinum, people wanting more female characters, and then the character's actual uninflated popularity.

    Takamaru is relatively obscure, and only the more knowledgeable or experience speculators really know about him. Like I'd guess most people taking the poll from the site itself instead of a link off another site don't know who he is. And they make up a fair percentage. Even the people who know who he is might not support him, or might want to see another retro character more. And yeah, I've played (but not beaten) Takamaru's game. Pretty fun, but also pretty hard. It's similar to the original Zelda, but more linear. You don't really need to know Japanese to play it.

    And Dr. Mario never really was a retro. When he was included in Melee, he had just had Dr. Mario 64 come out, and now he had that WiiWare game a couple years back, so technically he's still current.
     
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    I think that if we were to have a Platinum character, I think it would be The Leader of the Wonderful 101. It's seems like Nintendo's been more supportive of that game than Bayonetta 2
     
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    I think Nintendo also owns Wonderful 101's IP.
     
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    God Tier
    · Mewtwo 594
    · Megaman 532

    Top Tier
    · Ridley 474
    · King K. Rool 462
    · Roy 418
    · Little Mac (Punch Out) 402

    Mid Tier
    · Palutena 350
    · Bowser Junior 328
    · Isaac (Golden Sun) 311
    · Krystal 309
    · Paper Mario 308

    Lower Tier
    · Waluigi 287
    · Chrom 283
    · Shulk (Xenoblade) 278
    · Banjo & Kazooie 275
    · Dixie Kong 258
    · Majora (Skull Kid) 248
    · Samurai Goroh 230
    · Black Shadow 229
    · Bomberman 225
    · Ghirahim 224
    · Lyn 220
    · Pac-Man 215
    · 2nd Sonic Character (Tails, Shadow, Knuckles) 212
    · 6th Gen Pokemon 204
    · Bayonetta 201

    Bottom Tier
    · Lucina 197
    · Mii (Wii Series) 191
    · Toad 186
    · Rayman 185
    · Dark Samus 183
    · Doctor Mario 179
    · Super Mario RPG (Geno, Mallow) 178
    · Castlevania (Simon Belmont, Alucard, Dracula) 172
    · Medusa 169
    · Balloon Fighter 169
    · Kingdom Hearts (Sora) 169
    · Takamaru (The Mysterious Musasame Castle) 168
    · Pokemon Trainer (Johto) 164
    · Kamek 161
    · King Boo 160
    · Rosalina 160
    · Ace Attorney (Phoenix Write) 160
    · Zoroark 158
    · Saki (Sin & Punishment) 158
    · Viewtiful Joe 155
    · Crono Trigger (Crono) 153
    · Eevee (and Eeveelutions) 151
    · Tom Nook (Animal Crossing 151

    Honerable Mentions
    · Toon Zelda 149
    · Claus (Masked Man) 144
    · Anna 142
    · Ashley 141
    · Captain Syrup 141
    · Dillon (Rolling Western) 141
    · Vaati 140

    · Pokemon Trainer (Hoenn) 140

    [collapse]· Final Fantasy (Chocobo, Black Mage, Moogle, Cloud, Lightning) 139

    · Tales Series (Cless/Cress, Lloyd) 134
    · Professor Layton 133
    · No More Hereos (Travis Touchdown) 132
    · Tetra 131
    · Ray MK (Custom Robo) 130
    · Midna 129
    · Mona 128
    · Young Link 127
    · Shy Guy 126
    · Dark Pit 125
    · Pokemon Trainer (Kalos) 122
    · Hades 122
    · Baby Mario & Luigi 119
    · Wolf Link 117
    · Slippy 114
    · Villager (Animal Crossing) 114
    · Scribblenauts (Maxwell) 114
    · Porky 113
    · Andy (Advanced Wars) 111
    · Conker's Bad Fur Day (Conker) 110
    · Fawful 109
    · Magnus 109
    · Bandana Dee 108
    · Street Fighter (Ryu, Chun Li, M. Bison) 107
    · Toon Ganondorf 106
    · Funky Kong 106
    · Pokemon Trainer (Sinnoh) 105
    · Black Knight 105
    · Impa 104
    · Daisy 103
    · Deoxys 103
    · Tharja 102
    · K.K Slider (Animal Crossing) 102
    · Pokemon Trainer N 101
    · Lip (Panel De Pon) 101
    · Pokemon Trainer Villain (Rocket Plasma Galactic Aqua Magma) 99
    · Plusle & Minun 98
    · Knuckle Joe 96
    · Meowth 94
    · Viridi 93
    · 2nd Metal Gear Character (Raiden, Gray Fox) 90
    · Kat & Ana 91
    · Prince Fluff 91
    · Starfy (The Legendary Starfy) 91
    · Toon Sheik 89
    · Genesect 89
    · Fiora (Xenoblade) 89
    · Classic Link 87
    · Micaiah 86
    · Pichu 85
    · Tingle 82
    · Jimmy T. 81
    · Pokemon Champion Cynthia 81
    · Eirika 81
    · Tiki 80
    · Soul Calibur (Nightmare, Ivy Valentine) 80
    · Baby Bowser 79
    · Robin (FEA Avatar) 79
    · Kumatora 79
    · Alex (Golden Sun) 79
    · Peppy 77
    · Elite Beat Agents 76
    · Hector 75
    · Yarn Kirby 74
    · Jill (Drill Dozer) 73
    · Poo 72
    · Adeliene 71
    · Captain Rainbow 71
    · Ninja Gaiden (Ryu Hayabusa) 71
    · Sylux 69
    · Mew 68
    · Yarn Yoshi 66
    · Jeff 66
    · Felix (Golden Sun) 66
    · Duck Hunt Dog 65
    · Louie (Pikmin) 65
    · KOS-MOS (Xenosaga) 65
    · Battletoads (Zitz) 64
    · Mach Rider 63
    · Darkrai 62
    · Groose 61
    · Matthew (Golden Sun) 60
    · Jody Summer 59
    · Zael (The Last Story) 59
    · Flint 58
    · Captain N 58
    · Giygas 57
    · Tempo (Harmo Knight) 57
    · Ninten 56
    · Mike Jones (Star Tropics) 56
    · Resident Evil (Jill Valentine, Chris Redfeild, Leon Kennedy) 56
    · Aeron (Pandora's Tower) 55
    · Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight) 55
    · Lanky Kong 54
    · Blood Falcon 54
    · Eggplant Wizard 54
    · Tekken (Heihachi, Jin, Kazuya) 54
    · Isa Jo (Sin & Punishment) 53
    · Caeda 52
    · Ephraim 52
    · Dragon Quest (Slime) 52
    · Phantom Zelda 51
    · Meloetta 51
    · Paula 51
    · Victini 50
    · Captain Quartet (Pikmin III) 50
    · Leon 49
    · Cranky Kong 47
    · Gardevoir 47
    · Excited Biker 46
    · Mallo (Pushmo) 44
    · NO THIRD PARTY CHARACTERS 43
    · Eliwood 42
    · Bubbles (Clu Clu Land) 42
    · Donkey Kong Junior 41
    · Marx 41
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    · Lark (PilotWings) 13
    · Ryuta (Ouendan) 13
    · Welt (Soma Bringer) 13
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    At least Palutena is still getting that love. And with 2 weeks away from that Nintendo Direct that will indeed show us some Smash4 stuff, I'll be looking forward to seeing some excitement.
     
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    well it seems like the top three tiers would be awesome for the game
     
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    I'm surprised that Roy has jumped so high.

    I guess people voted for someone other than Chrom when they had the chance.
     
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    I suppose I'm surprised to see Mewtwo so high. I most certainly did not think he deserved to be removed from Brawl, but I did not think that so many followed my same logic. Unless this is solely because of the fact that Mewtwo got a new form (or whatever it is) for Pokemon X and Y?

    In that case, I'd say Mewtwo's return is pretty much guaranteed, he just will be in his new form.
     
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    I'm sure the new form is how he beat Megaman, but he's always been among the most requested characters so no worries there.
     
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    Lyn is a bit higher that before. :)
    Doc is on slippery ground. :(
    Kamek is higher than what I expected. :)

    Sakurai will be happy to see Nabarl's position on the list. :troll:
     
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    I would like to have voted for Impa. I find it likely that she will be Sheik's replacement (but have the exact same fighting style to keep fans happy), so it's not like she NEEDS much popularity, but still.

    Everyone else I want is still there though. :) It's a relief to see that most of the top 10 make sense (Roy doesn't, but he can be a costume clone for Marth and it should still be okay).

    I wish that there was a way to vote others down though. In that case, I'd vote down Waluigi (unoriginal piece of crap with no importance), Krystal (Star Fox doesn't deserve 4 reps, the other SF reps can be decloned and half her fans only like her because she's furry boobs), and Tetra/Toon Zelda (I love Wind Waker, but a second Toon character?)

    I think Dark Samus deserves more attention. Metroid needs a third rep, she has amazing moveset potential, she is a playable Metroid and a great choice all around.

    As for stages, I would like to see Comet Observatory, Bowser's Castle in some form, Gangplank Galleon, the Fallen Arm from Xenoblade, and Lunar Sanctum from Kid Icarus: Uprising.
     
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    Golden and Shorts.

    Get him
     
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    Wait, what? I'm not sure what you mean by that.
     
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