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[asianaussie]

what sort of moron runs eviolite scyther

eviolite isn't meant to make frail things less frail, it's meant to make bulky **** (preferably with resists) bulkier than they has a right to be

hell i don't even play 5th gen anymore

adv all day because my hp flying gyarados is fun

 

[kirbyraeg]

i gotta admit, i love gen v so much competitively i'll never go back to older gens

all i really care about is the userbase and having more toys to play with

but touhoumon is even better

so...yeah

 

[Circa]

Real men do a team of 6 Farfetched's.

I know this is like a day old, but I love this post. +1 rep

Holy **** people are back now? Maybe I'll be back too. Maybe. If I remember to look at this place again. Been too long.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

People aren't back. We're just posting in the social thread lolol.

 

[Wave⁂]

What's the difference?

 

[Wrath`]

Who used the Phoenix Down?

 

[Wave⁂]

I think the PC cast Undying Rage.

UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!

 

[choknater]

spenser, touhoumon sucks.

 

[kirbyraeg]

spenser, touhoumon sucks.

get OUTTA here

 

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[choknater]

haha. we might actually have recorded melee matches this weekend.

 

[kirbyraeg]

i don't want the world to see how bad i am at melee

 

[choknater]

i wan't em to see

how great i am with young link

 

[Wrath`]

Roy's our boy.

 

[kirbyraeg]

that's not you

that's project styles

don't claim his fame for yourself

 

[choknater]

well my young link is really good

but i don't think i can compete with him

 

[Circa]

What's the difference?

My thoughts exactly.

I think the PC cast Undying Rage.

UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!
UNDYING RAGE!

More like Death Defied. REQUIEM *****

Roy's our boy.

I love you forever.

Once I get my car fixed there's a slight chance that I'll actually go to Melee tournaments reppin' Roy. But that's only if I can actually find a Melee tournament 3 hours away from me. :\

NOTE: I suck terribly. But I do want to get better.

 

[ss118]

Why does gen V suck so much?

Like... I can't comprehend it.

 

[Wrath`]

Why does gen V suck so much?

Like... I can't comprehend it.

The more species of pokemon to saturate OU, the less comprehension anyone will have.

 

[choknater]

gen v is great

why does it suck? it doesn't

 

[Terywj [태리]]

gen v is great

why does it suck? it doesn't

Pretty sure it does. Not liking Gen V. UU at all.

 

[choknater]

i never play uu because that tier division is so arbitrary

i can understand the uber/ou split

but if you want to use uu pokemon, just feature them in an ou team!

 

[ss118]

Gen V in general is just terrible.

It's not even that I don't comprehend it but... just.... i dunno

My ideal version of pokemon is one that not only has viable strategies and pokemon, but also where battles are decided by the players using the teams as well as the team construction itself. I'm pretty good at both, but obviously being out of the loop in Gen V hinders ones team construction abilities and that's all there is to Gen V. It's even more solidified by the fact that teams are revealed previously.

 

[Wrath`]

Its a new way of playing, its not gen4, too bad. Adapt, or stay playing gen4. No one is stopping you.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

i never play uu because that tier division is so arbitrary

i can understand the uber/ou split

but if you want to use uu pokemon, just feature them in an ou team!

And then get wrecked by OU Pokemon. Sounds like fun hurr.

 

[Deleted member]

Its a new way of playing, its not gen4, too bad. Adapt, or stay playing gen4. No one is stopping you.

he's asking why it sucks, he's not asking why you're being a ****.

gen 5 sucks for a lot of reasons, namely:

1. inability to prepare for an overly-wide metagame
2. inability to outplay your opponents via team preview
3. arbitrary/awkward bannings
4. generally playing with/against pokemon that people hate (breloom anyone?) because they're heavily OU
5. dream world abilities. all of them.

and in case i missed anything, everything in this:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11950316&postcount=107

edit: branden get on aim once in a while. i want to go meet amy at some point after you guys go back to college if you haven't already.

and change your avatar.

 

[choknater]

ss118, what do you mean by out of the loop? like, metagame trends?

i can agree with this. i became #1 in smogon's dwou for a while before shadow tag and blaziken were banned. i quit playing after they were banned.

1. inability to prepare for an overly-wide metagame
2. inability to outplay your opponents via team preview
3. arbitrary/awkward bannings
4. generally playing with/against pokemon that people hate (breloom anyone?) because they're heavily OU
5. dream world abilities. all of them.

1. isn't this what people wanted before? people used to complain that there was overcentralization. now there are too many good pokemon? what? like i've noted before, this shows balance via power creep.
2. actually, i believe in the contrary to this. because there are so many threats, playing WITHOUT team preview is extremely difficult and you must have a certain type of team build. there are things in this generation that are just impossible to scout (say, a scarfed moxie pokemon that you're not prepared for) that will wipe you out with no setup. team preview, in my opinion, remedies this and makes the starting move a major mindgame.

when i played gen v, i used a SUN team and made it to number 1 by intelligently using team preview. i just got a lot of experience vs my team's weaknesses (sandstorm, rain, dragons. mind you this was before the swift swim ban.) i just told myself "okay, he's probably going to lead with that pokemon" and i countered it. sometimes my counter was countered. you are able to devise a strategy before the match, but sometimes the opponent can catch on and prevent it. i think team preview is great.

3. i agree with this. i want blaziken back.

4. getting over those kinds of emotions is just a part of mastering a game

5. if gen v stood alone without any generations that came before it, players would just consider the abilities as a part of the game. the reason they exist is because in the REAL pokemon game, they are hard as hell to get. and even when they're all included, each pokemon still has counter strategies. just gotta find them and adapt your team to them

haha i wanna get back into the game and bring back heavy offense sunny day now. i bodied so many people

what to do, what to do without chandelure.. hm

 

[UltiMario]

Choknater I have no idea what you're smoking, Shadow Tag was never banned.

Also I don't entirely agree with the Blaziken Ban either- but he was still a pretty ****ing dumb Pokemon.

Also I've been #1 in various servers at arbitrarily odd times (aka where the rating for #1 is like 1230 because things are so fresh) so saying you've been #1 doesn't mean much unless you can throw out a rating number. It means especially less because Blaziken is pretty dumb.




In other news, Garchomp is a not broken Pokemon with a not broken ability that did not centralize the metagame in any way/shape/form.

Sand Veil Bandwagon wheeeeee

 

[choknater]

oh haha. hm. i think it got banned on the PO server, so i was salty that i couldn't use my successful team on either server.

i think the rating was in the 1490's. not the highest ever but i think the point i was trying to make is that team preview can actually help a player consistently win.

 

[Wrath`]

he's asking why it sucks, he's not asking why you're being a ****.

And I am saying, if you think it sucks, stick with the gen you think is good.
NOT HARD!!!

 

[Deleted member]

1. isn't this what people wanted before? people used to complain that there was overcentralization. now there are too many good pokemon? what? like i've noted before, this shows balance via power creep.

2. actually, i believe in the contrary to this. because there are so many threats, playing WITHOUT team preview is extremely difficult and you must have a certain type of team build. there are things in this generation that are just impossible to scout (say, a scarfed moxie pokemon that you're not prepared for) that will wipe you out with no setup. team preview, in my opinion, remedies this and makes the starting move a major mindgame.

when i played gen v, i used a SUN team and made it to number 1 by intelligently using team preview. i just got a lot of experience vs my team's weaknesses (sandstorm, rain, dragons. mind you this was before the swift swim ban.) i just told myself "okay, he's probably going to lead with that pokemon" and i countered it. sometimes my counter was countered. you are able to devise a strategy before the match, but sometimes the opponent can catch on and prevent it. i think team preview is great.

5. if gen v stood alone without any generations that came before it, players would just consider the abilities as a part of the game. the reason they exist is because in the REAL pokemon game, they are hard as hell to get. and even when they're all included, each pokemon still has counter strategies. just gotta find them and adapt your team to them

1. it's neither balance nor power creep, and it's not about how good the pokemon are. it's simply not realistic to have a team with answers to the pokemon you want answers to because there are so many. thus, the main strategy isn't to be good at evaluating your pokemon vs your opponent's. instead, it's a numbers game where you try to amass as much advantage blindly as possible. the prevalence of rain users agrees with me.

2. team preview ruins what pokemon effectively was. pokemon is a game based on asymmetrical information that rewarded proper use of either what you know, or what your opponent doesn't know. since this is no longer the case, the game is fundamentally different in that you are no longer offered the ability to outsmart your opponent. instead the strongest strategy is to play it as a numbers game and then to exploit that numbers game as much as possible. I mean, Aron is in the top 10. the strategy aspect of interacting with your opponent to come to a favorable advantage is mostly dead at this point.

5. in theory world, maybe. but gen 5 doesn't stand alone, and competitive play doesn't care about accessibility so both arguments are null. each pokemon might have a counter strategy, but you have to deal with 100+, not a handful.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Gen V in general is just terrible.

It's not even that I don't comprehend it but... just.... i dunno

My ideal version of pokemon is one that not only has viable strategies and pokemon, but also where battles are decided by the players using the teams as well as the team construction itself. I'm pretty good at both, but obviously being out of the loop in Gen V hinders ones team construction abilities and that's all there is to Gen V. It's even more solidified by the fact that teams are revealed previously.

My honest opinion is that gen V would be almost perfect without team preview. People that want a methodical way to win are expecting too much from a game that was intended to be played casually at best. Ladder play is like a brute-force scenario more than anything else, and doesn't foster much creativity, but that's the fault of the players more than it is the fault of gen V.

And then get wrecked by OU Pokemon. Sounds like fun hurr.

tell it to gurdurr and steelix.

 

[choknater]

LMAO spenser do you still use that team?! with alakazam and beartic?

anyway i agree with kirbyraeg. yes, the thing i said about dream world abilities being hard to get is irrelevant to competitive play, but that's how the game was intended to be played (this is why i quit brawl LOL.)

yall are playin pokemon online, not pokemon.

that said, i don't wanna argue anymore LOL. i concede to ss118 and intuition, i don't even play PO anymore

however get @ my 31 SpA modest hp ice lilligant in my white cartridge

 

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All the hippest hipster have moved on from hating gen V, guys

gurdurr 2 good

 

[Terywj [태리]]

All the hippest hipster have moved on from hating gen V, guys

gurdurr 2 good

You're right. They're running Sun teams now.

 

[UltiMario]

Sun was legit before Blaziken was banned though.

Now it's just *** :<

 

[choknater]

agreed. one shotting reuniclus with flare blitz felt sooooo good.

(however i generally used blaze kick LOL.)

 

[ss118]

I don't think Team Preview is a problem in a game of pokemon where you can actually play against an opponent.

When it's just team vs team like gen V is, it's a terrible idea.

Gen 2 wouldn't be ruined by team preview because of how easily countered(mostly) everything is. In fact, because of everything being so easily countered players had to rely on skill to pull ahead in the actual match.

Gen 5 you make a good team and your opponent makes a good team. Maybe without team preview a slightly disadvantageous team would be able to win via having a better player by interpreting information better or predicting better or whatever, but now it's "my team has a disadvantage, therefore I lose."

People for gen V will probably say this isn't exactly the case. First off it really is, and second off assuming both people assume how they will be aiming to win, it becomes a game of complete guessing rather than a game of incomplete information(a game you should be familiar with if you play RTS' at all).

And max I refuse to change my avatar. If I do I'll find something that would make you want me to change it back to.

Like Marth or Falco. Or marth + falco action. Like them 69ing or something.

 

[UltiMario]

One time I remember I made a team.

There were like 5 Pokemon that would give my team trouble at all, that's it.


I saw all 5 of those Pokemon in team preview once.

I was like all "well **** I lose"

I, in fact, lost.

 

[choknater]

hahahah. i remember in gen iv i was running a machamp-centered team that would pretty much only lose to slowbro.

i lost to every slowbro.