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[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'm perfectly willing to answer anything. Just ask and don't call me a liar.

 

[vanderzant]

"Food goes in here!"
"It sure does."

Deadline: 12.01am 30th August EST
With 8 Alive it takes 5 to lynch!

Vote Count
Badwolf28738 : SummonerAU, Ori_bro, Яagnarock, Dark Horse
Ori_bro : Ranmaru

Not Voting (3)
Vinyl
Badwolf28738
Macman

 

[Vinylic.]

Chillax and stuff.

BW, you're at L-1. My tummy hurts from eating too much from a buffet on my birthday today and I need to get pepto bismol.
Can you claim your role of you want to?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I've already claimed.

 

[ranmaru]

Hold up. I think we are losing focus here.

sooup, i'm still stickin to my initial thought about baddy just being bad

I agree with this.

what scummy things have I done though? Didn't you say earlier that you only voted me to get me to care about the game/pressure?


sigh, why are you making me have to rethink this... I was so confident in dh/ori scum

I don't think we should be distracted by Bad's play here. You say he is a solid SK choice, but why do you think he is now solid?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

One last time.

Getting to Badwolf, it's simply not the same case, because Badwolf has a different way of playing this game, through observation I've noticed that Badwolf tends to get really angry or stubborn when someone gives him chase, maybe even a bit sarcastic. Attitude was an important factor to me, but something more important was how he was responding. Remember that talk about consistencies as alignment? Badwolf has his own, but I can't simply read him the same because Badwolf has an anti-town vibe about him that's hard to pin, right now I feel he has that same vibe. It's plausible that he's town but right now I dislike him merely because his overreaction to Vinyl. and him clinging behind his role, there's a guilty conscience there and it seems a bit preserved, Badwolf can be a headache but something sticks out to me especially because it seems like a ruse to seem town. I've tried to get Badwolf to explain his actions but I don't recall (I should possibly re-read) him saying anything about it or simply shrugging it off. The only other factors are between Summoner and Ori, which have both been a bit inactive. I skimmed Summoner's post as much as I skimmed Ori's, but now that I've cleared the fog a bit I'd like everyone to talk about this possibilities of one of them being scum.

Respond to this.

*ahem*
Why did you hide behind your role when Vinyl. attacked you and come to the pretense that he was rolefishing you?
Why do you consistently try to dodge every single question I present or make terrible posts like that last one you made?
Why do you try to justify your own actions with another's? You literally said "oh DH did it so it's okay for me do it."
Why haven't you read the read?
What are your current reads?

Respond to this.

Wait I remembered a couple
Why do you shrug off Summoner's questions to you also? Why do you use RL as an excuse so much?
Why are you so vague in your post? You say you're looking at other people but don't explain who.

Respond to this. IN DETAIL. Okay, that's it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

unvote

Please. Detail.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

wb Ranmaru you have a paragraph to respond to also

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah I'll get to it soon.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'll answer those in a jiffy, finishing a convo with my dad.

 

[Vinylic.]

I've already claimed.

Can you re-claim so I don't have to look through the past umpteenth pages?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Sure, I am inanimate carbon rod, VT.

 

[ranmaru]

This instinctively sounds like meta to me, and I don't even know how to respond to it. How I should be reading a player? I should be town-reading them? Keeping my options open? Regardless of alignment I keep my options open, I have reasoning behind my pushes and I have priority, I don't know why this is a sudden alarming thing for you or why you're bothered it. More or less i'm bothered by the fact that you are literally expecting me to read people a certain way, yet not even considering why I'm reading them that way. I don't understand why you're so bothering about this referring to DH, you're kind of reaching with this aspect and you've yet to explain specifically why me and DH make sense. You've hinted at it, stated your reasoning, but there's nothing solid. What do you think about the other side, DH? You've covered my aspect, but you've never pointed out where DH plays into this, you scum-read DH more and even made a whole case on him, but then you string me together with him just because how i'm reading him. This is the basis of your points, how i'm reading someone. Wrt Badwolf, you realize that I had one mere reaction that I liked that was cancelled out for the sake that Badwolf did something that was scummy, right? I pointed it out and i'm allowed to change my opinion as I see fit, I sitll honestly don't buy anything from that slot and am patiently awaiting to hear what he has to say. Ranmaru, why are you ignoring specifics? You claim to have me and DH as scum yet you're ignoring me when I ask why Ori factors into this, your reasoning is worse simply because you are putting aside what you said earlier in order to pursue something that is gaining interest, and that's something i reallly dislike from you. Not trying hard enough to find scum? I can't response to this simply because I don't need to appeal to your needs regarding this, your vague opinion on me not finding scum because of how I read DH is a load of crap and only mixes in the vibe i get from you lately.

Yes, it's meta on Vinyl. You don't know how to respond? You could ask me for references/quotes from other quotes to see what I mean. I think it would be in our best interests to know this, because it'd help us all read Vinyl right. Thing is, the reason why I don't like you keeping your options open is because, I feel like you are trying to line up mislynches without really having a reason to. And like I said I didn't find your push convincing on Badwolf. With DH, he had a town read on you that was reasonless at first, yet also very weak, just as yours on him. That's mostly it at the top of my head. I do remember you both being on different pushes so I can see that as buddies doing their own thing to not get caught together, and I can see your arguing over Macman scum or not as distancing. Not that I find it condemning, just that it seems more plausible to me.

Bold, I am not ignoring specifics. If you think I did quote it to me bro. And underlined, this is not true at all. I have explained Ori comes off as scummy, and he may be paired with DH if he flips mafiat-scum. You said "I might hammer Ori" yet you haven't addressed him at all. I want to know, who do you think are scum pairs/sk upon: Ori Scum, Ori SK, Ori Town? How are you feeling about Ori now? Actually, I'd rather you answer that by replacing Ori with Badwolf, so I can see what you see (I still want your current opinion on Ori) I don't know for SURE who he [Ori] is paired with, but I showed you how that would change my reads depending on which flip he would flip, so I don't see how I'm ignoring how Ori fits in. Maybe you just don't see my pov? I'm sorry if you don't. I'm showing it to you dude.

Ranmaru let's talk hypothetical

What happens when one of us flips town? Still partnered? Still scum?

I have already explained how my reads change on Ori-TOWN, so upon Soup-town I would have Dh/Ori scum and Summoner Sk.

Now you want me to drop my scumread? Not happening.

 

[ranmaru]

You know what?

Unvote, Vote: Badwolf

Yo Darkhorse. Why did you move your vote?

 

[ranmaru]

Btw Soup, do you see Badwolf as frustrated? Is this a scumtell or towntell in your pov?

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Getting to Badwolf, it's simply not the same case, because Badwolf has a different way of playing this game, through observation I've noticed that Badwolf tends to get really angry or stubborn when someone gives him chase, maybe even a bit sarcastic. Attitude was an important factor to me, but something more important was how he was responding. Remember that talk about consistencies as alignment? Badwolf has his own, but I can't simply read him the same because Badwolf has an anti-town vibe about him that's hard to pin, right now I feel he has that same vibe. It's plausible that he's town but right now I dislike him merely because his overreaction to Vinyl. and him clinging behind his role, there's a guilty conscience there and it seems a bit preserved, Badwolf can be a headache but something sticks out to me especially because it seems like a ruse to seem town. I've tried to get Badwolf to explain his actions but I don't recall (I should possibly re-read) him saying anything about it or simply shrugging it off. The only other factors are between Summoner and Ori, which have both been a bit inactive. I skimmed Summoner's post as much as I skimmed Ori's, but now that I've cleared the fog a bit I'd like everyone to talk about this possibilities of one of them being scum.

OK, so if I did shrug off any questions before this, ask them now cause I don't remember any of them.

So, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by clinging to my role here. I can take it one of two ways.
1.) I'm claiming and I think that by claiming I'm secured as town.
or 2.) I'm using Vinyl as a scapegoat to not claim.

So in response to 1:
I'm slightly confused at it if you mean this one. I hadn't claimed yet and I was a little suspicious at Vinyl for asking me about my stance on buddying as opposed to the game that I was scum in, but I didn't change any reads on him because of it. I can understand where you're coming from in my reaction from this, but I still don't believe that it should be a major component in the case against me.

Response to 2:
I think this is the more likely of the 2. I can see where you would come to this conclusion, but I don't think it should matter anyway because of my claim. I did eventually claim, granted VT, but still. But like I had said in Response 1. I never did change my reads on anyone because of this incident nor will I in the future. I don't see the reason behind bringing it up in a long term case because it was only like 5 posts long.

*ahem*
Why did you hide behind your role when Vinyl. attacked you and come to the pretense that he was rolefishing you?
Why do you consistently try to dodge every single question I present or make terrible posts like that last one you made?
Why do you try to justify your own actions with another's? You literally said "oh DH did it so it's okay for me do it."
Why haven't you read the read?
What are your current reads?

1. When he had asked me about it I had already stated that the reason I was OK with buddying in 19 was because I was scum. I was then in between a rock and a hard place with the question because of the two possible outcomes.

a.) I say that I'm alright with buddying and get my *** handed to me because of the read that I had on Mac.
b.) I say that I don't like it and sound like scum for trying to counter my previous meta.

I felt the only way out of it was to cut my own path and I arrived at a rather unexpected place.

2. I don't try and dodge them, I try and answer them. However if you aren't getting what you wanted out of the question I would suggest asking a parallel one to clear up confusion. I really don't mean to not give you what you need when asking me something.

3. Ehhhh, this I kinda disagree with. I had pressure voted Mac before that post even came out (I believe). I used it only because I have a very convoluted way of explaining things and sometimes people don't really understand what I mean. So instead of trying to explain the idea that I had behind the vote I used DH's reason for me.

4. I'm sorry can you explain?

5. My current reads still stand as above.

Wait I remembered a couple
Why do you shrug off Summoner's questions to you also? Why do you use RL as an excuse so much?
Why are you so vague in your post? You say you're looking at other people but don't explain who.

1. Again, I don't mean to shrug off questions. If you still would like them answered just ask me again.

2. My RL has been rather complicated over the past few weeks and I've been stressed about a number of things. I'll try and be better at working around it.

3. I've already answered this in my reads, unless you want me to go into further detail.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm kind of tired. I'll respond to everything when I get done with my nap. That was a lot better btw.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Yo Darkhorse. Why did you move your vote?

I was ready for a lynch. At the time I saw responses to badwolf's "you guys are all idiots" and badwolf's responses to those go nowhere and felt as though they were just a waste of time.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'm kind of tired. I'll respond to everything when I get done with my nap. That was a lot better btw.

Thank you.

 

[SummonerAU]

Bolded: It never went from shaky to scum, I was just putting a vote down. I don't see why I shouldn't have done that.

...did you even read the posts I quoted? I'm requoting them because this is important. I will bold the parts which completely contradict what you just said. (At least the picture you posted this time wasn't obnoxious.)

All badwolf quotes:

Ehhhhhhhh, I had a shaky read on him, based upon some odd behaviour. But for now sure. It's not like I'm using it elsewhere.

Because I have a scum read on you.....

(when asked why he unvoted)You actually started caring.

you CLEARLY go from shaky to scum here. What's up with that, huh?[/QUOTE]

starting to feel like a broken record but whatever

 

[#HBC | Mac]

hold on a second, did ori_bro just comment on how baddy was at l-1 despite the fact that we've been waiting for a ****in post of his for days now.

can we lynch obv scum please? and dark horse, the only reason im considering baddy at this point is because itd be better to kill the sk

vote: ori_bro

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

starting to feel like a broken record but whatever

Sorry...
Yeah, I screwed up. When I had said that I had a scum read on him, I had only meant a null-scum. However, at the moment of, he was my strongest scum read.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Okay, responding time.

1.) I'm claiming and I think that by claiming I'm secured as town.
or 2.) I'm using Vinyl as a scapegoat to not claim.

I don't follow, you claimed that he was trying to out your town role to say that you were town? That's what I get from it.
You're using Vinyl. as a scapegoat so you didn't have to claim? Why? Why did you get so jumpy about it in the first place?

So in response to 1:
I'm slightly confused at it if you mean this one. I hadn't claimed yet and I was a little suspicious at Vinyl for asking me about my stance on buddying as opposed to the game that I was scum in, but I didn't change any reads on him because of it. I can understand where you're coming from in my reaction from this, but I still don't believe that it should be a major component in the case against me.

But it is, or was. I believe you were being earnest about not knowing the setup but my main concern was with your clinging to your role, answer the two questions I put up in response and we'll be getting somewhere.

Response to 2:
I think this is the more likely of the 2. I can see where you would come to this conclusion, but I don't think it should matter anyway because of my claim. I did eventually claim, granted VT, but still. But like I had said in Response 1. I never did change my reads on anyone because of this incident nor will I in the future. I don't see the reason behind bringing it up in a long term case because it was only like 5 posts long.

This is fair.

1. When he had asked me about it I had already stated that the reason I was OK with buddying in 19 was because I was scum. I was then in between a rock and a hard place with the question because of the two possible outcomes.

So you acted that way as a means of reaction testing Vinyl. in a sense? What did you get out of it? You state your reads didn't change. (How i'm interpreting this paragraph)

a.) I say that I'm alright with buddying and get my *** handed to me because of the read that I had on Mac.
b.) I say that I don't like it and sound like scum for trying to counter my previous meta.

I felt the only way out of it was to cut my own path and I arrived at a rather unexpected place.

You shouldn't get scared about these things when you're town, gain some confidence in yourself damnit.

2. I don't try and dodge them, I try and answer them. However if you aren't getting what you wanted out of the question I would suggest asking a parallel one to clear up confusion. I really don't mean to not give you what you need when asking me something.

That question didn't have a specific answer, it was to garner a reaction. Consider it completely rhetorical in a sense, I was just looking as how you responded.

3. Ehhhh, this I kinda disagree with. I had pressure voted Mac before that post even came out (I believe). I used it only because I have a very convoluted way of explaining things and sometimes people don't really understand what I mean. So instead of trying to explain the idea that I had behind the vote I used DH's reason for me.

Thank you for the clarification, why the hell didn't you do this in the first place? You coulda saved yourself so much trouble if you just responded this way.

4. I'm sorry can you explain?

Refer to the rhetorical statement.

3. I've already answered this in my reads, unless you want me to go into further detail.

Yes that would be great.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

I'll do that tomorrow, I'm going to bed for tonight.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yes, it's meta on Vinyl. You don't know how to respond? You could ask me for references/quotes from other quotes to see what I mean. I think it would be in our best interests to know this, because it'd help us all read Vinyl right. Thing is, the reason why I don't like you keeping your options open is because, I feel like you are trying to line up mislynches without really having a reason to. And like I said I didn't find your push convincing on Badwolf. With DH, he had a town read on you that was reasonless at first, yet also very weak, just as yours on him. That's mostly it at the top of my head. I do remember you both being on different pushes so I can see that as buddies doing their own thing to not get caught together, and I can see your arguing over Macman scum or not as distancing. Not that I find it condemning, just that it seems more plausible to me.

Bold, I am not ignoring specifics. If you think I did quote it to me bro. And underlined, this is not true at all. I have explained Ori comes off as scummy, and he may be paired with DH if he flips mafiat-scum. You said "I might hammer Ori" yet you haven't addressed him at all. I want to know, who do you think are scum pairs/sk upon: Ori Scum, Ori SK, Ori Town? How are you feeling about Ori now? Actually, I'd rather you answer that by replacing Ori with Badwolf, so I can see what you see (I still want your current opinion on Ori) I don't know for SURE who he [Ori] is paired with, but I showed you how that would change my reads depending on which flip he would flip, so I don't see how I'm ignoring how Ori fits in. Maybe you just don't see my pov? I'm sorry if you don't. I'm showing it to you dude.

It's meta on Vinyl.? That was regarding me, not Vinyl. There's something wrong with keeping my options open? I might have priority but that doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend to be blind about things, I don't understand how this is an issue unless you specifically state why. So you think our weak reasoning makes us aligned and it's shallow distancing? Your statement is fair but it's only one small observation, give me an update?

Bold: I don't scum-read Badwolf anymore, his frustration towards that whole situation and him finally buckling down was townie to me, mostly because he admitted his own faults, and it's not the in the sense of a guilty conscience either, he explained why he did those things sufficiently. That being said, i'm gonna have to think for a moment. Badwolf was a huge factor to me, maybe for his own reasons but I never thought about a partner for him, I haven't really been partner hunting in a sense. Right now I think I'm gonna PoE it, Mac's town for sure right now and then I've got you and summoner as lean. That leaves DH/Vinyl./Summoner/Ori. Ori has done scummy things himself, but most of my reasoning if I were to vote is purely because of Mac, I haven't looked that much into it but I do have my own opinions though I'm stepping and letting mac do the work. Definitely not Summoner today, open for SK over scum. I'm honestly not sure about Vinyl. here, like I said, I was being serious about that SK thing, but I admit I completely skimmed and ignored his posts, It's kind of a pain to read them (no offense.) Dark Horse is just...Like, I want to read the guy as town for the original statements but lately something has been scratching at the back of my head. Mac's confident in Ori/DH right now and I think that's the avenue we should go, I want to see what mac does on one of them and I believe Ori has more to get lynched here.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Checked vote-count, good with putting Ori at L-2.

Vote: Ori_Bro

Mac, tell me where you go on a town/scum flip from Ori, maybe SK too

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Will do all but the reads tonight i dont like posting on my phone...

Okay, responding time.



I don't follow, you claimed that he was trying to out your town role to say that you were town? That's what I get from it.
You're using Vinyl. as a scapegoat so you didn't have to claim? Why? Why did you get so jumpy about it in the first place?



But it is, or was. I believe you were being earnest about not knowing the setup but my main concern was with your clinging to your role, answer the two questions I put up in response and we'll be getting somewhere.



This is fair.



So you acted that way as a means of reaction testing Vinyl. in a sense? What did you get out of it? You state your reads didn't change. (How i'm interpreting this paragraph)



You shouldn't get scared about these things when you're town, gain some confidence in yourself damnit.



That question didn't have a specific answer, it was to garner a reaction. Consider it completely rhetorical in a sense, I was just looking as how you responded.



Thank you for the clarification, why the hell didn't you do this in the first place? You coulda saved yourself so much trouble if you just responded this way.



Refer to the rhetorical statement.



Yes that would be great.

I don't think you understood exactly what I was saying with the 2 responces. I was trying to guess at what you were asking and had devised two different responces, one for each scenario. I wasnt sure what you had been asking.

Vinyl thing:
I was kind of testing him. I wasn't sure exactly why he was asking me about the buddying so I treated it like a stick of lit dynamite. I didn't trust his intentions and probably over reacted in the circumstances. I didn't get anything out of it and that's why 1 it didn't change any of my reads and 2 I dropped it.

You keep using the statement that I'm clinging to my role. I don't understand what you mean by it and that's where the confusion came from with the double responces. Can you elaborate?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You used an argument saying that you were town and vinyl. was trying to out your town role, thus clinging to it.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

sk is the wildcard for me, soup. I'm still leaning baddy. I kinda hate this roller coaster of reads I have of baddy. Ranmaru, this game is a prime example of why reading newer players is so difficult.

If ori flips maf, than dh is maf for sure. If he flips town, than I feel like i'd be kinda lost. I don't care too much to worry about scenario cuz i don't think it's likely he'll be town. And if it is we'll go from there. What I am worried about, is if we lynch ori/dh back to back and they ARE scum, we'll be left in a 3 person lylo (remember guys, no lynch if we have 4 players left with 1 sk). With most likely baddy, vinyl and one other person. This is not an easily winnable situation...

I wish we got more content from vinyl and summoner. And i wish baddy could make me less worried about his slot. And now due to him claiming VT, he won't ever get killed.

Baddy, you said I did scummy stuff before I made the 'sheep me' comment. What scummy things were they?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm not sure we should let baddy get away with his play. Giving scummy players the benefit of the doubt can come back to bite us in the ***. And since we'll have to worry about him in lylo, I think we should definitely consider dealing with him today. If not today than tmrw, but do NOT leave him in lylo. actually meh

gawd the SK makes this game so hard

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

macman you are just making yourself a target stop it this towniness is killing me

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

You used an argument saying that you were town and vinyl. was trying to out your town role, thus clinging to it.

Ok, it sounds... Different. Yeah, I kinda did this. I dont like claiming until D3 at least and I was trying to put it off for as long as I could.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

soup, i'm already ****ed

which is why i'm worried. I liked it better when ran was suspecting me and you were the obv townie so that you could soak that nkill for me

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

@ mac I'll do all the stuff that requires quoting tomorrow. I'm on my phone and it doesn't do the whole multi quote thing well.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

that's fine, thanks for being more cooperative

 

[SummonerAU]

Sorry...
Yeah, I screwed up. When I had said that I had a scum read on him, I had only meant a null-scum. However, at the moment of, he was my strongest scum read.

I waited like 400 posts for this, uuuuuugh.

I don't know, I ****ing suck with reading emotive **** like the last few pages from badwolf. If I had of gotten this reply like 40 posts after I originally posted my concerned, this would be significantly easier to swallow. Bah, I need to think.

 

[vanderzant]

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Remember Alf? He's back... in pog form."

Deadline: 12.01am 30th August EST
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Vote Count
Badwolf28738 : SummonerAU, Ori_bro, Dark Horse
Ori_bro : Ranmaru, Macman, Яagnarock

Not Voting (2)
Vinyl
Badwolf28738

 

[Ori_bro]

Hey so i ended up finishing that post from yesterday that everyone wanted to see. I had to save it as a word doc since I had family come in randomly from out of state and I didnt end up finishing it till late and never posted it :I but yeah here it is.

I would like for you to address DH's posts and my case when you get the time to though. I know you try to observer but I want you to at least address those, the ones including Soup as well. Sorry to see that your post got eaten.

Also what is your opinion on Vinyl?

DH’s posts
Most of DH’s posts were directed at the connection between BW and myself. He justified this because I didn’t immediately hop on the BW wagon. When the game first started, I had absolutely no scum reads. Everyone was playing very passive and it was hard to get a read on anyone. Because I’m now on the BW wagon most people think its very scummy play. I don’t see why that is so scummy. My opinions changed. BW went from that null read to a scum read that’s it.

Ran’s case
Ran’s case seemed to be focused more on the Soup/DH scum team with me as SK. I can agree with him on the possibility of the Soup/DH alliance. I think his thought of me being anti-town is silly. Sure I haven’t been posting much but that’s just because I’ve had stuff to do outside of this game (Sorry for trying to Plead with Emotion).

Soup’s case
Reading through, a lot of Soup’s case seemed to focus on him asking everyone how my flip will determine the game. Yes, he does suspect me of something because of how I have played but he was mainly asking everyone else in this game for their opinions. He gave off a lot of scenarios and that is about it, unless I missed something in the pages I was reading this is all I got from the Soup case.

and Vinyl is town imho.

so doees that make you think i'm scum? town?
also who should be kept under the radar, me or dh?

Mac you are town, DH should be kept on Radar.

Ori, could you elaborate why you had Badwolf as null here and not full scum? You seem convinced recently but I'm not seeing what was holding you back.

The post you quoted was from my initial reads list. At the beginning I didn't see why people were putting him on blast but as the thread progressed I clearly saw why people were doing so.

**** it, i'm just gonna go ahead and say it, this post reeks of ori scum with dh.

he says he doesn't see much scum play in DH, yet he says we should focus on DH tomorrow? wtf why would you want to focus on him tmrw if you don't see him as scum?

Your reason for not thinking dh scum is because none of his posts seem tunneled? uh ok... yet you say you think it seemed like i'm tunneling DH in my posts. So it would seem if anything, you would lean scum on me. Yet dark horse is the person who we should look at tomorrow? huh? that doesn't make sense. To reiterate, if tunneling is scummy and you think i was tunneling on DH, but you DON'T think DH was tunneling on me than why do you think we should focus on DH tomorrow instead of someone like me?

(ofc this is ignoring the flawed concept of tunneling being scummy)

also wtf at your reasons for thinking baddy is scum? how is any of that indicative of scum play. Being childish and getting angry? oh wow super scum bro.

response is below this next quote.

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Macman's #313 is pretty amazing. It does indeed reek and Ori is pretty scummy right now and brings up exactly what I thought about Ori saying to look at DH tomorrow instead of Macman. I don't agree with macman's read of noobtown badwolf though.

Actually Macman's posts (#338) on Ori/DH scumteam make a lot of sense and I agree with the conclusion he's reached and I really like the line of questioning he had leading up to that post. I think that Ori/DH scumteam with Badwolf SK is very likely at this point and I think Macman has hardbodied some scummies here. I will re-inforce my previous Badwolf statement in that I think he is the way to go today since I now think he's the SK.

Looking at what Macman said, he argued how my views on DH's tunneling contradicted my views on tunneling being scummy. Yes, Macman did tunnel but I didn't view the way he was tunneling as scum like. The way DH approached his tunneling made me unsure, thus why I have some suspicion of him. Its not enough to say "this guy is scum srs bizness" but its enough to have a hunch and want to seriously look into him the next day. Its not a full scum read its basically null-scum. Also sure my reasonings I gave on BW are not sufficient, but I am confident enough to want him gone today.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Yes, Macman did tunnel but I didn't view the way he was tunneling as scum like. The way DH approached his tunneling made me unsure, thus why I have some suspicion of him.

I don't believe DH is showing much scum play. He stated that a lot of his votes were in fact purely pressure based. I see that when looking at his stuff. None of his posts show that he is tunneling at people trying to make them slip up and post something poor. I think Macman was trying to tunnel DH but that is my view. I think he should definitely be kept under the radar though.

Other than BW DH should be looked at tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Ok a ton of **** came upon me today. I'm trying to get it all done, but if not I will do everything that I can to post something today.