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well to be fair it was the role she had in most zelda games, but just cause young impa has only been in two main series games doesnt mean she couldnt be the default form for her, older link had only been in one game when he was made the default form for link in smash
The Zelda series has 6 fighters, 9 stages, 4 ATs, and a boss. I want more Zelda reps too, but quit crying bias unless there's an actual quote from Sakurai showing his dislike of the series. It's doing very well with representation, it's just there's more stages than characters. Also, the only other series that have more reps than it are Mario, Pokemon, and Fire Emblem anyway.
well to me it just doestn make sense that fire emblem out numbers zelda in terms of characters, pokemon and mario sure theyre nintendo's top two but zelda is number three and fire emblem is about number ten, so i might just be being paranoid but im struggling to come up with any other legitimate reason for them not adding anyone else
This honestly. Plus, there’s the fact that just about all the Zelda characters outside of Sheik got reworked. Young Link also came back, Ganondorf finally got his sword, Link, Zelda and Ganondorf are all significantly buffed and revamped, and we got that Ganon boss battle. That beats Impa as a newcomer am afraid...
yes but why do they get a new character every game over more popular series?
Well in a way, Fire Emblem was made big because of Smash. So the game having more Fire Emblem characters could be a testimony to that. Also, I don't think there's really too many Fire Emblem characters.
and Ocarina of Time has . or or Isaac... But still pretty bad. happened in the end as a unique Mario newcomer.
Well Sakurai did say that Chrom, Dark Samus, and Richter got in because of the ballot (or rather fan requests). So it’s likely that Daisy did well in it too. Ken probably just got in as the OG fighting game echo and Capcom’s willingness.Well in a way, Fire Emblem was made big because of Smash. So the game having more Fire Emblem characters could be a testimony to that. Also, I don't think there's really too many Fire Emblem characters.
Marth and Ike have all the reason to stay of course, Roy got back because of him being immensively popular (even more popular than Isaac, that's saying quite a lot) and being a veteran, Lucina was a cool extra who is basically the second face of the franchise and easily the most promoted Fire Emblem character since Ike, Robin uses unique Fire Emblem-specific mechanics and represents the magic and tactical aspects of the franchise, Corrin is a odd one yet unique and represents the dragon's roles in Fire Emblem and even lances (if ever so slightly and even if Corrin actually never used a lance) and Chrom is just a extra character that remained popular and relevant over time. Awakening is kind of overrepresented, but it's the turning point of the franchise. It was the revival game and probably overall the most popular game by casuals.
Zelda also has overrepresentation of Ocarina of Time characters in a way, Fire Emblem Awakening and Zelda Ocarina of Time got exactly the same amount of characters. Fire Emblem Awakening has
I actually wouldn't mind another Fire Emblem newcomer for DLC. And to be honest, I think a Fire Emblem DLC character is the biggest bet for a Nintendo-owned newcomer. Unless of course a new Zelda comes around, and it's as ambitious as a project as Breath of the Wild.. which I doubt, because such a game would probably have been showcased already.
We have to just patiently wait this one out unfortunately. Each Fire Emblem character in Smash, despite often only appearing as main character once, probably has a overall more important role to Fire Emblem than Impa currently has for Zelda. Zelda doesn't have significant one-offs that are main characters, the main characters are always Link and Zelda. Ganondorf doesn't even show up regulary anymore. Impa has too many inconsistent roles unfortunately. They could've easily made her a Echo. And I still don't get why they would favor Dark Samus over Impa honestly, if Ridley is already there and way more popular... I also think Impa would be more recognised as Zelda enjoys way more popularity than Metroid, and Impa is sure to return to Zelda, whereas Dark Samus is most likely not... So yeah, odd choice. But that might mean that Sakurai thinks Impa is capable of more.
Anyway, we've been screwed over twice now. Which is still not as bad as say,
In retrospect, I would've prefered Impa being one of the last final newcomers of Smash 4 instead of them brining Dr.Mario back. Dr.Mario would've returned in Ultimate anyway because "Everyone Is Here". And Sheik was at her best in Smash 4. Daisy was also definitely not needed, especially cause
Talking about this definitely doesn't make it better tho... Maybe that's why I was absent here for so long.
well sakurai's never treated franchise fairly i guessWell in a way, Fire Emblem was made big because of Smash. So the game having more Fire Emblem characters could be a testimony to that. Also, I don't think there's really too many Fire Emblem characters.
Marth and Ike have all the reason to stay of course, Roy got back because of him being immensively popular (even more popular than Isaac, that's saying quite a lot) and being a veteran, Lucina was a cool extra who is basically the second face of the franchise and easily the most promoted Fire Emblem character since Ike, Robin uses unique Fire Emblem-specific mechanics and represents the magic and tactical aspects of the franchise, Corrin is a odd one yet unique and represents the dragon's roles in Fire Emblem and even lances (if ever so slightly and even if Corrin actually never used a lance) and Chrom is just a extra character that remained popular and relevant over time. Awakening is kind of overrepresented, but it's the turning point of the franchise. It was the revival game and probably overall the most popular game by casuals.
Zelda also has overrepresentation of Ocarina of Time characters in a way, Fire Emblem Awakening and Zelda Ocarina of Time got exactly the same amount of characters. Fire Emblem Awakening has
I actually wouldn't mind another Fire Emblem newcomer for DLC. And to be honest, I think a Fire Emblem DLC character is the biggest bet for a Nintendo-owned newcomer. Unless of course a new Zelda comes around, and it's as ambitious as a project as Breath of the Wild.. which I doubt, because such a game would probably have been showcased already.
We have to just patiently wait this one out unfortunately. Each Fire Emblem character in Smash, despite often only appearing as main character once, probably has a overall more important role to Fire Emblem than Impa currently has for Zelda. Zelda doesn't have significant one-offs that are main characters, the main characters are always Link and Zelda. Ganondorf doesn't even show up regulary anymore. Impa has too many inconsistent roles unfortunately. They could've easily made her a Echo. And I still don't get why they would favor Dark Samus over Impa honestly, if Ridley is already there and way more popular... I also think Impa would be more recognised as Zelda enjoys way more popularity than Metroid, and Impa is sure to return to Zelda, whereas Dark Samus is most likely not... So yeah, odd choice. But that might mean that Sakurai thinks Impa is capable of more.
Anyway, we've been screwed over twice now. Which is still not as bad as say,
In retrospect, I would've prefered Impa being one of the last final newcomers of Smash 4 instead of them brining Dr.Mario back. Dr.Mario would've returned in Ultimate anyway because "Everyone Is Here". And Sheik was at her best in Smash 4. Daisy was also definitely not needed, especially cause
Talking about this definitely doesn't make it better tho... Maybe that's why I was absent here for so long.
from what i can tell from the mario fandom most want either toad geno or waluigi i dont think daisy would have done so well
Wait WHAT!?
Yes polls are different but echoes got in because of popularity (except maybe Ken) on the ballot, which is right from Sakurai’s mouth.
Yes! It is very good news. I would’ve thought that Impa did better than Dark Samus and Richter too but I have a feeling that Richter did well in Japanese polls. Dark Samus, idk, probably to make up for Metroid being underrepresented for so long.
i believe he was only talking about chrom and dark samus in that statement i dont think weve had any explanation for daisy thus far
He said it about Dark Samus, Richter, and Chrom. Daisy being popular in the ballot and becoming an echo because of that is just a logical conclusion.
yeah but we dont know for sure
Why else would Sakurai add Daisy, a spin-off character with only one canon appearance?
spite
Yeah, Sakurai hates everything except Fire Emblem and only included Daisy (an extremely popular character) to spite Waluigi and Toad fans. He especially hates Zelda. He even called BotW a “masterpiece” because he despises it so much.
i was joking, i agree it probable that daisy was high on the ballot when sakurai was scanning it for echoes
And it doesn't hurt that her appearance in Super Mario Run might have been taken into consideration as well, since it can be considered a step up from the regular spin-offs in terms of "major" entries.
Character alts? Filling up 29 slots? Since when? I never saw a alt taking up a ID slot.
Well, if I recall correctly,
PokéfreakofBACON
did say something about alts counting as taking up a slot (e.g. Bayo takes 2, Bowser Jr. takes 8).
Ok, that's somewhat reasonable. Yet I don't see anotherWell, if I recall correctly,
Also, the Ice Climbers do take up one by themselves, as shown here:
https://youtu.be/H3p4jvaWQE0?t=41
-like situation happening honestly. Maybe a few characters can get a alt. But I still think there's gonna be way more characters than the Fighter Pass suggests.
That seems fair. We just need to hope there's both enough fan demand and the staff/higher-ups willing to continue to support the game beyond stability patches.Ok, that's somewhat reasonable. Yet I don't see another
If all 5 DLC fighters took 2 slots, that'd already be 10 of the 29. I'm assuming Joker will have at least 2, with and without the mask. Theoretically, a character could have 4, or even 8, without being a Bowser Jr. situation. For example, if Alph were a character, he could have 3 slots taken for the other two Pikmin characters. Someone who wears lots of very different outfits might take up 8. My personal theory is that we're going to get either 3-4 fighter passes over the course of several years, or we're going to get a lot of echo fighters or alt skins as DLC, or a mix of both.Ok, that's somewhat reasonable. Yet I don't see another
Honestly, I think a Season 2 is already farfetched enough. I don't think this game will exheed Smash 4's DLC characters is ammount. And if it does, not by much. And yes that's counting Echoes.
Link takes up 2, Ridley takes up 2. It's exactly what you'd expect. The reason I believe we're going to get all 29 slots filled is because this exact situation happened in Smash 4, and all those slots got filled. Also, they ended up adding (not removing) a slot, BEFORE they added a character to go in it. We're more likely to get OVER 29 than under 29, if you ask me.Honestly, I think a Season 2 is already farfetched enough. I don't think this game will exheed Smash 4's DLC characters is ammount. And if it does, not by much. And yes that's counting Echoes.
I don't think there will be many characters with more than one different alt honestly. If you say Joker will have one, great. But I won't expect two on him. Not even Lucina has her Masked Marth alt. And do the versions of Ridley even count? Does Link's classic tunic version count?
Maybe Impa will take up at least 3 of these suspected alts. Having a alt for her Skyward Sword, Ocarina of Time, a newly created Young BotW design and Hyrule Warriors designs.
Yeah farfetched, but I like to have hope. Ultimate confirmed I'll forever stick with Diddy anyway.
without wishing to sound greedy i hope so
Okay, explain to me like am a 10 year old. How many slots did the Smash 4 DLC get innitially? And how did they get filled? I want a good perspective on this so I know what to expect.
Initially, Smash 4 had 9 unused IDs in the data. As Mewtwo, Lucas, Roy, and Ryu were added, they each took up 1 ID, leaving 5 left. However, they put another empty ID in the data around this point, so there were actually 6 left. Then Corrin, Cloud, and Bayonetta all took up 2 IDs each. Corrin had a male and female version, Cloud had 2 outfits, and Bayonetta had different hairstyles/colors/outfits, based on Bayonetta 1 & 2. After those three were added, there were zero empty IDs left.
nope makes perfect sense
This is the most sense a speculative post on here has made since a LONG time! No you’re not crazy. In fact, you might be right!
Sorry man haven't updated the supporters list in ages, but in the mind, consider yourself there! Any new recruit is a welcome one.
i would love to but im still not sure what it is
Same here. Think it's cool that Zelda is actually playable alongside Link. That hasn't happened beyond Smash and Hyrule Warriors. Makes me more hopeful for Impa, because the way Zelda fights seems to resemble a bit of a mixture between Hyrule Warriors and Smash's versions of Zelda, being mostly a mage-like fighter who also uses her rapier for up close attacks. Couldn't help but notice that.
it is always a shame to see such potential be ignored or go unnoticed
well they believe there might be another two fighter passes so we may have to room for some more echoes
