The Sassy Princess of Sarasaland: Daisy Discussion

[StarCrystal20]

For Birdo I feel like everything works, but the key mechanic of laying eggs. Even Egg Roll would work. But Birdo would need to inhale and spit eggs to feel like Birdo...I guess they are free to stretch it in any way they want as long as it’s still BASED on Yoshi.

They can make the tongue invisible and have her spit the egg forward instead of lay it.

 

[Almand]

I think Daisy will have the same victory theme as Mario, Luigi and Peach. It just seems like it would be more homely. IDK.

Still don’t know how exactly to interpret the whole “Daisy DOES have a couple differences but it’s mostly thematic and cosmetic” thing. Is it that Daisy’s pretty much identical outside of a few cosmetics? Or we will see some cool changes but it will be mostly the same? (which would be fine by me to be honest)

I think it’s the latter due to the way they presented her in the direct and other stuff but Richter gives me doubt? Wish someone at Ninty could clear this up.

Echoes come in a few flavors, from straight-up move utility/mechanics changes (Chrom's Up B, Lucina's blade, Dark Pit's Neutral/Side B, etc.), then there are purely animation changes (Dark Samus and Richter are, from what we know, exactly the same moveset-wise, frame data-wise, damage-wise, etc., but have very different animations for probably every move). It's just a question of whether Daisy is the former or latter. I'm gonna say the former purely because we know her Side B is faster, and Down B seems to be faster. So it could be a "speedier but weaker" version of Peach, which wouldn't be bad. I just wish her actual ground/air speed would be buffed along with it... Peach is one of the slowest characters in Smash 4, a little buff to that would be incredible, especially combined with some nice frame data and combo ability.

All in all, it's... Weird, for me. I love Daisy and all, but I'm not the biggest fan of Peach's moveset in general. But if this is the best we get, so be it. I'm maining her.

 

[DaisyandRosalina]

So I analyzed Daisy's moveset a bit (again) and I think her back aerial looks stronger than Peach's, I don't know if it's just me. So far Daisy looks like Peach but with more power and less range, still waiting to see her Final Smash, I already know it will be at least a bit different from Peach's since it's too girly and involves peaches.

 

[Turnips and Daisies.]

So I analyzed Daisy's moveset a bit (again) and I think her back aerial looks stronger than Peach's, I don't know if it's just me. So far Daisy looks like Peach but with more power and less range, still waiting to see her Final Smash, I already know it will be at least a bit different from Peach's since it's too girly and involves peaches.

I think it is best to look at possible major (ish) changes instead of super duper minor ones. Usually echoes have some sort of moderate change if they have a change.

 

[Slip33]

If they're making Daisy a "speedier but weaker" version of Peach, would be odd. Considering in games where they have different stats, she usually stronger between the two. It's going to be interesting how they are going to balance the two, cause right now it Daisy side B and down B being faster seems to have an edge. Peach having slightly more range seems less useful.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

If they're making Daisy a "speedier but weaker" version of Peach, would be odd. Considering in games where they have different stats, she usually stronger between the two. It's going to be interesting how they are going to balance the two, cause right now it Daisy side B and down B being faster seems to have an edge. Peach having slightly more range seems less useful.

While I'd like to think like this as well, its best to not jump to conclusions until the game comes out.

 

[Turnips and Daisies.]

If they're making Daisy a "speedier but weaker" version of Peach, would be odd. Considering in games where they have different stats, she usually stronger between the two. It's going to be interesting how they are going to balance the two, cause right now it Daisy side B and down B being faster seems to have an edge. Peach having slightly more range seems less useful.

My gut feeling is that it’s tied to Peach’s signature ability...the float.

Peach will likely have a longer, more controlled float. Daisy’s float may be faster but shorter perhaps?

Also, it’s HIGHLY suspect that the offiical echo fighter definition listed walk and run speed specifcally. Instead of just movement speed, or the speed of everything.

It’s likely not gravity or air speed as I feel that would mess with balance too much. Float Speed seems much more controllable though.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

My gut feeling is that it’s tied to Peach’s signature ability...the float.

Peach will likely have a longer, more controlled float. Daisy’s float may be faster but shorter perhaps?

Also, it’s HIGHLY suspect that the offiical echo fighter definition listed walk and run speed specifcally. Instead of just movement speed, or the speed of everything.

It’s likely not gravity or air speed as I feel that would mess with balance too much. Float Speed seems much more controllable though.

I'll take faster aerial mobility in a heartbeat.

 

[StarCrystal20]

I still am curious about Daisy’s Final smash

And her alt colors

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I still am curious about Daisy’s Final smash

And her alt colors

Me too. But currently all we can do is wait.

 

[Sean Wheeler]

I still am curious about Daisy’s Final smash

And her alt colors

Yeah, I gotta know if that outfit I want is there.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Yeah, I gotta know if that outfit I want is there.

You're probably tired of me saying this, but I would like to see a Rosa scheme, as unlikely as it may be.

 

[Sean Wheeler]

And I would like the athletic outfit, even if it would hardly work with her animations. Anyone see her running animation from Super Mario Party and notice she runs more like how she did in the sports games and not hold her skirt? If only they could use that animation for Smash Ultimate.

 

[Porygon2]

I still am curious about Daisy’s Final smash

Hoping that Peach's is entirely revamped and that Daisy's somehow involves a guest appearance from Tatanga.

 

[Sean Wheeler]

Hoping that Peach's is entirely revamped and that Daisy's somehow involves a guest appearance from Tatanga.

Considering how Tatanga only appeared in the Super Mario Land series, a lot of people who became fans of Daisy through spinoffs would be confused about who that alien is and what he's got to do with Daisy. And how should her kidnapper be involved in her Final Smash? I think her Final Smash should be more of a special move from the sports games and not a reminder of how much like Peach she is (her status as an Echo already tells us that). Peach is the princess who always gets kidnapped. Daisy was only kidnapped once.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Hoping that Peach's is entirely revamped and that Daisy's somehow involves a guest appearance from Tatanga.

Unlikely but I would absolutely love it if her final smash was Crystal Smash from Strikers Charged.

 

[Porygon2]

Considering how Tatanga only appeared in the Super Mario Land series, a lot of people who became fans of Daisy through spinoffs would be confused about who that alien is and what he's got to do with Daisy. And how should her kidnapper be involved in her Final Smash? I think her Final Smash should be more of a special move from the sports games and not a reminder of how much like Peach she is (her status as an Echo already tells us that). Peach is the princess who always gets kidnapped. Daisy was only kidnapped once.

I generally prefer final smashes that reference lore and the essence of the character. For Peach, most often its Strikers or Super Peach emotions that are bought up, which are fine, but I'd prefer something more creative.

My favorite idea was some sort of fake out. Peach side-bs fighters to a cutscene on the Super Mario Bros. Bowser bridge, where she pretends to wail. As fighters run to rescue her (or I guess attack her if they're villains), she activates the axe, sends them to their doom, and gives a look of faux-surprise.

Not sure precisely how much Echo final smashes will differ (Dark Pit's did, albeit in a kinda lazy way), but for Daisy, I had the idea of her also pretending to wail, which causes Tatanga to appear and attempt a kidnap. She then proceeds to deftly stomp him out of his ship and deliver a barrage of blasts and bombs. Maybe she could end it by jumping out and delivering the crystal smash in a superhero landing.

Both of these have a nice 'I don't need to be rescued anymore!' kinda theme, but not too in your face.

 

[StarCrystal20]

Although I’d want her to have a Mario kart/sports final smash, I wouldn’t mind her having another version of Peach blossom.

For example, instead of doing an elegant contemporary dance like Peach, Daisy would break dance, including doing a head spin on the ground and even twerk a little bit!

Instead of peaches, bob ombs rain down.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

My idea for an FS was Crystallized Daisy from Mario Strikers Charged. I detailed what it would do in my moveset (posted on the first page).

 

[StarCrystal20]

And I would like the athletic outfit, even if it would hardly work with her animations. Anyone see her running animation from Super Mario Party and notice she runs more like how she did in the sports games and not hold her skirt? If only they could use that animation for Smash Ultimate.

I noticed her rough girl run as well; it debuted in Mario party 10. If that animation was in smash, then she’d look great and natural in the sports outfit! I think she runs exactly like peach though.

 

[Ed-boy]

Looks like Ubisoft's prepping up for what might be a Mario+Rabbids sequel, & they're holding a French poll for opinions on the extended Mario cast, Daisy included.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ub...n-on-waluigi-and-some-other-characters.73982/
No one has a link to the real deal yet, but when it comes, I think we'll all know the plan. I'd love to see how they would incorporate Daisy into the story, and if it would lead up to a grand revisiting of Sarasaland. The Wario Bros. & Koopalings would be great, too.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Looks like Ubisoft's prepping up for what might be a Mario+Rabbids sequel, & they're holding a French poll for opinions on the extended Mario cast, Daisy included.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ub...n-on-waluigi-and-some-other-characters.73982/
No one has a link to the real deal yet, but when it comes, I think we'll all know the plan. I'd love to see how they would incorporate Daisy into the story, and if it would lead up to a grand revisiting of Sarasaland. The Wario Bros. & Koopalings would be great, too.

Nice, thanks for sharing.

 

[StarCrystal20]

Nice, thanks for sharing.

I'm voting for Daisy and Birdo. The minor Echo beauties!

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I'm voting for Daisy and Birdo. The minor Echo beauties!

Birdo getting recognition is always nice IMO.

 

[Ed-boy]

Something I felt like sharing while imagining what a mostly realistic de-echoed Daisy would look like.

*in epic narrator voice*
....In a world, where developer deadlines didn't reign supreme, & all newcomers shared equally high priorities......
#13ε #89~ Daisy (Luigified)

General Stats: Daisy packs more of a punch & boasts Fox-esque mobility over her pink-clad bestie, in spite of the similar speed. She can't float, however, but makes up for it with a third jump (based on her double-jump ability from Super Mario Run).

Appearance: Sarasaland's plucky ruler looks the same as before, but this time she dons a pair of tennis shoes under that dress. Heels & mobility don't go well together, after all. & she does know how to rock those sneakers in style.

Specials: Speaking of style, Daisy borrows some of Peach's techniques, putting her own spin on them.
Standard - Superball
Counterattack with a super-durable Superball. Anyone who strikes it hurts themselves (the stronger the hit, the more painful the whiplash). To add insult..er...injury to injury, Daisy chucks it back at em', sending the superball plonking in an arc through the stage.

Side - Daisy Blitzer
Daisy's quick, short-distance, flower effect answer to Peach Bomber. Basically the Flower Bomber custom move from Sm4sh.

Up - Floaty Fluff Tuft
Daisy forgot her parasol, so she brought the next best thing: a floaty fluff, imported from Gusty Garden Galaxy. It seems to be a bit of a dud, as it's not as floaty as advertised. However, it does have heavier knockback than Peach's parasol, & anyone struck with it in close range goes flying.

Down - Garden
Plant em', pluck em', then pulverize with em'! Daisy can blast a stream of fire seeds with Panzers, pierce foes with a Pokey head, or increase her stamina with...a dice block?

EDIT: One last cosmetic detail. For Daisy's forward smash, she ditches the clubs & frying pans, instead rotating between a tennis racket, a baseball bat & a large Tokotoko.


Don't take this as me being deeply bitter & ungrateful about the way our girl got implemented (though I am a bit disappointed...), just a little creative exercise in my head.

 

[RandomAce]

Heyyoh! Came by to say that Daisy is one of the characters I’m planning on trying a lot out in Ultimate. Didn’t really know that I wanted her until she was revealed.

I’ve been doing this for other characters and here’s one for Daisy. I’ll elbaorate later on what her swaps are based off of.

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I always liked you’re color costumes. They’re really well done.

That’s great. No more reused Mario Kart 7 art.

Also this photo was posted by We Are Daisy:
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It looks awesome. I thought it was fake, but her arms on a different frame from the common cut out made by daisy9forever on Deviantart:
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So, the question is, where is this video from? Lol it bothers me when people never link the original source to a video or picture.

Wait where did they get this image from? I don’t think something like this has ever been shown before. It’s interesting seeing how someone has what seems to be a build to the game.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Heyyoh! Came by to say that Daisy is one of the characters I’m planning on trying a lot out in Ultimate. Didn’t really know that I wanted her until she was revealed.


I always liked you’re color costumes. They’re really well done.


Wait where did they get this image from? I don’t think something like this has ever been shown before. It’s interesting seeing how someone has what seems to be a build to the game.

It was in a Nintendo Press Kit so it's still a screenshot from Nintendo, just one that isn't on the official site

 

[ShadowYoshi04]

Does MemoryMan have a Smashboards account

 

[Captain Shades]

Looks like Ubisoft's prepping up for what might be a Mario+Rabbids sequel, & they're holding a French poll for opinions on the extended Mario cast, Daisy included.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ub...n-on-waluigi-and-some-other-characters.73982/
No one has a link to the real deal yet, but when it comes, I think we'll all know the plan. I'd love to see how they would incorporate Daisy into the story, and if it would lead up to a grand revisiting of Sarasaland. The Wario Bros. & Koopalings would be great, too.

I feel that poll will be slowly overtaken by Waluigi fans, as revenge for Smash of course.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Does MemoryMan have a Smashboards account

He's banned and talking about banned users is generally frowned upon.

 

[Godbrother11225]

Does MemoryMan have a Smashboards account

latest alt account(turnips and daisies) just got banned. Since E3, he pretty much spends his free time rotating between resetera, reddit, gamefaqs, and several discord servers acting like a broken record about the topic of Daisy and clones, so it's pretty obvious.

I'm surprised that he successfully rallied other Daisy supporters on twitter despite throwing the fanbase under the bus. I honestly think they are unaware of his toxic behavior like sending viruses, randomly posting daisy porn, blackmail, repeated (sexual)harassment. I don't really want to shift the thread, but just wanted to give a heads up for anyone who thinks he is simply an avid fanboy.

----

On the topic of Daisy, the only thing that bothers me is toad. I feel like Sakurai should give Daisy peach's old grab from smash 4, and that she could have a different counter.

Just something I've been thinking about since chrom and dark samus were revealed.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Something I felt like sharing while imagining what a mostly realistic de-echoed Daisy would look like.

*in epic narrator voice*
....In a world, where developer deadlines didn't reign supreme, & all newcomers shared equally high priorities......
#13ε #89~ Daisy (Luigified)

General Stats: Daisy packs more of a punch than her pink-clad bestie, in spite of the similar speed. She can't float, however, but makes up for it with a third jump (based on her double-jump ability from Super Mario Run).

Appearance: Sarasaland's plucky ruler looks the same as before, but this time she dons a pair of tennis shoes under that dress. Heels & mobility don't go well together, after all. & she does know how to rock those sneakers in style.

Specials: Speaking of style, Daisy borrows some of Peach's techniques, putting her own spin on them.
Standard - Superball
Bust out a super-durable Superball. Anyone who strikes it hurts themselves (the stronger the hit, the more painful the whiplash). To add insult..er...injury to injury, Daisy chucks it back at em', sending the superball plonking in an arc through the stage.

Side - Daisy Blitzer
Daisy's quick, short-distance, flower effect answer to Peach Bomber.

Up - Floaty Fluff Tuft
Daisy forgot her parasol, so she brought the next best thing: a floaty fluff, imported from Gusty Garden Galaxy. It seems to be a bit of a dud, as it's not as floaty as advertised. However, it does have heavier knockback than Peach's parasol, & anyone struck with it in close range goes flying.

Down - Garden
Plant em', pluck em', then pulverize with em'! Daisy can blast a stream of fire seeds with Panzers, pierce foes with a Pokey head, or increase her stamina with...a dice?

EDIT: One last cosmetic detail. For Daisy's forward smash, she ditches the clubs & frying pans, instead rotating between a tennis racket, a baseball bat & a large Tokotoko .


Don't take this as me being deeply bitter & ungrateful about the way our girl got implemented (though I am a little disappointed...), just a little creative exercise in my head.

Honestly, I would be completely satisfied if they made her a semi-clone.

 

[Ed-boy]

latest alt account(turnips and daisies) just got banned. Since E3, he pretty much spends his free time rotating between resetera, reddit, gamefaqs, and several discord servers acting like a broken record about the topic of Daisy and clones, so it's pretty obvious.

I'm surprised that he successfully rallied other Daisy supporters on twitter despite throwing the fanbase under the bus. I honestly think they are unaware of his toxic behavior like sending viruses, randomly posting daisy porn, blackmail, repeated (sexual)harassment. I don't really want to shift the thread, but just wanted to give a heads up for anyone who thinks he is simply an avid fanboy.

Seriously!? I already didn't think highly of him for spawning such a negative stigma for a vocal minority via Youtube comment sections, but I didn't think he was capable of all THAT!

Sorry if I'm treading tabuu ground, but I just had to say something on the matter as one of the people unaware of the aforementioned toxic behavior.
(Not too long ago, he tried to badmouth Dixie Kong as nothing but echo material in the Dixie Kong Support thread!)

 

[StarCrystal20]

I’ve grown to like Daisy’s clone status. It’s kind of stylish in a way. Almost like.. Daisy’s embracing the whole “Peach clone” think and using it against her haters to kick ass.

Plus, one of the biggest reasons I love Daisy is because I am drawn to minor, less relevant characters. There’s something kind of cool about that status and Daisy is undoubtedly minor in the grand scheme. Thus I feel like the echo status makes her cooler and less mainstream. Idk how to explain it

 

[Ark of Silence101]

I’ve grown to like Daisy’s clone status. It’s kind of stylish in a way. Almost like.. Daisy’s embracing the whole “Peach clone” think and using it against her haters to kick ***.

Plus, one of the biggest reasons I love Daisy is because I am drawn to minor, less relevant characters. There’s something kind of cool about that status and Daisy is undoubtedly minor in the grand scheme. Thus I feel like the echo status makes her cooler and less mainstream. Idk how to explain it

Kinda how I like Young Link but don't like regular Link or Toon Link.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Young Link I can understand fine, since at least in canon he was shown to use same tools or skills as Link. In that vein though, Toon Link feels still a vastly missed opportunity with what could have been done with the stuff he has in his own canon.

Which leads to Daisy for me - I guess it feels little weird to like a character I know is just merely borrowing her entire way to SSBU, and just isn't allowed to have anything more innate to herself as moves. Somehow it makes her inclusion just... less special? Like she's really cementing herself as carbon copy of Peach, having remotely NOTHING to herself and now has to be using everything Peach has to even be in Smash?

That kind of dumbs her down a lot to me as a character, due how blatant her ironic shallowness is currently being played out here. Just my two cents.

Probably I wish there was just some things that let me think Daisy's more than Yellow Loud Peach with a little different design- I just really do prefer characters with something of their own than being carbon copies of somebody else. I mean, imagine if Luigi was in Smash-games, but he'd be so identical to Mario in every way that you'd be more okay seeing him naturally as Green Timid Mario.

 

[StarCrystal20]

Young Link I can understand fine, since at least in canon he was shown to use same tools or skills as Link. In that vein though, Toon Link feels still a vastly missed opportunity with what could have been done with the stuff he has in his own canon.

Which leads to Daisy for me - I guess it feels little weird to like a character I know is just merely borrowing her entire way to SSBU, and just isn't allowed to have anything more innate to herself as moves. Somehow it makes her inclusion just... less special? Like she's really cementing herself as carbon copy of Peach, having remotely NOTHING to herself and now has to be using everything Peach has to even be in Smash?

That kind of dumbs her down a lot to me as a character, due how blatant her ironic shallowness is currently being played out here. Just my two cents.

Probably I wish there was just some things that let me think Daisy's more than Yellow Loud Peach with a little different design- I just really do prefer characters with something of their own than being carbon copies of somebody else. I mean, imagine if Luigi was in Smash-games, but he'd be so identical to Mario in every way that you'd be more okay seeing him naturally as Green Timid Mario.

I see. The thing is though, with her using Peach's moves, the abilities are made into hers. They now officially belong to Daisy herself, not just Peach.

Also, even as a very avid crazy Daisy supporter myself, I acknowledge that Daisy is not a major character. You gotta admit that she's minor. So, it makes sense that she got in as an Echo. Plus, in the Mario sports games, Peach had also played ball, played tennis, and did all the things Daisy did. While Daisy is definitely sportier and tomboyish than Peach, it's important to look at the grand scheme of things and realize that in every spinoff game with Daisy, Peach had been in doing the same things.

Yes, she has the same exact moves. But to me, it makes sense due to her being lower priority and, frankly, the moves don't look odd on her at all, at least to me. All the butt attacks, the dress movements, the flower effects, it just works. The flower effects especially allow her to put her own aesthetic style which is good enough for me.

Even the parasol is cool. The only things I dislike are the up air still being a rainbow (which in my opinion, is extremely feminine for Daisy), and the parasol having a heart-shaped handle. lol

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Young Link I can understand fine, since at least in canon he was shown to use same tools or skills as Link. In that vein though, Toon Link feels still a vastly missed opportunity with what could have been done with the stuff he has in his own canon.

Which leads to Daisy for me - I guess it feels little weird to like a character I know is just merely borrowing her entire way to SSBU, and just isn't allowed to have anything more innate to herself as moves. Somehow it makes her inclusion just... less special? Like she's really cementing herself as carbon copy of Peach, having remotely NOTHING to herself and now has to be using everything Peach has to even be in Smash?

That kind of dumbs her down a lot to me as a character, due how blatant her ironic shallowness is currently being played out here. Just my two cents.

Probably I wish there was just some things that let me think Daisy's more than Yellow Loud Peach with a little different design- I just really do prefer characters with something of their own than being carbon copies of somebody else. I mean, imagine if Luigi was in Smash-games, but he'd be so identical to Mario in every way that you'd be more okay seeing him naturally as Green Timid Mario.

At least canonically speaking, Daisy hasn't needed rescuing more than once, and if Sakurai really wanted, he'd give her one consistent attribute, being at least stronger physically than Peach, but alas like Tink, we have to settle with what we get.

 

[Chromfirmed]

Vote for Daisy in the poll and comment on the leak: https://smashboards.com/threads/smash-ultimate-discussion-warning-spoilers-leaks-ahead.434391/
#TeamReal #TeamLeak Isaac/Hans deserves to be a playable character!!!

 

[StarCrystal20]

GIFs I made showcasing Daisy's turnip speed compared to Peach. It also looks like her Bomber is faster as well.
https://twitter.com/SciProj88/status/1056025573494001665