The Royal Flush discussion thread

[TDK]

Today (Right now actually!) Royal Flush is happening, featuring...

ZeRo
Ally
Nairo
VoiD
ANTi
Mr. R
Marss
Zinoto
Tweek
Captain Zack

and more!

You can find the stream here: https://www.twitch.tv/smashstudios and here: https://www.twitch.tv/masterhandgaming

Spoiler: Upsets

IcyMist 2-0 Marss
Frozen 3-2 Marss
Pink Fresh 3-2 Captain Zack
Sandstorm 3-0 Captain Zack
Frozen 3-0 ANTi
The Great Gonzales 3-2 Mr. E
The Great Gonzales 3-0 Pink Fresh

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Well Captian Zack beat The Great Gonzalez 2-1 in a close set.

I am not sure but Gonalez beat Zack the least set they fought right? U could be thinking of another Bayo main.

The MU does look even. Its common knowledgre Ness does have lots of the things that Bayo hates. But the level in which Bayo wrecks Ness offstage evens the MU out

 

[TDK]

Ganon sucks

 

[Ziodyne 21]

What time are they going to finish with the Top 4 for Smash 4 doubles
Its a bit strange how they scheduled it
Uasully the complete the doubles competitions on the first day at tourneys like this.

 

[TDK]

John Numbers 2-0 Shoyo James

So there's a in winners top 32 and a in losers top 32.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I'm glad to see Wii Fit doing well, as always!
ZeRo just used Lucina on stream and went 2-0. Looking sharp.
But still not using Up Tilt to kill.

 

[MarioManTAW]

ANTi

Did he drop Mario in favor of Sheik, or was this a mistake?

 

[TDK]

Did he drop Mario in favor of Sheik, or was this a mistake?

Not a mistake, ANTi said he was dropping Mario for Sheik after dream land. He's gone all Cloud on-stream today though.

 

[L9999]

Well Captain Zack beat The Great Gonzalez 2-1 in a close set.

I am not sure but Gonalez beat Zack the least set they fought right? U could be thinking of another Bayo main.

The MU does look even. Its common knowledgre Ness does have lots of the things that Bayo hates. But the level in which Bayo wrecks Ness offstage evens the MU out

FOW and SS beat Zack, not Gonzalez. The Bayo players are evening the MU recently, but they certainly don't like it. Good stuff to Gonzalez for not getting wrecked by Zack.

 

[TDK]

Royal Flush top 32

Winners:
Logic vs ZeRo
Zinoto vs WaDi
IcyMist vs SuperGirlKels
Captain Zack vs Pink Fresh
Bankai vs Nairo
ANTi vs Tweek
Mr. R vs John Numbers
VoiD vs Mr. E

Losers:
Vivid vs Shoyo James
Bryce vs The Great Gonzales
JaKaL vs Zephyr
Marss vs Frozen
Sandstorm vs Roxas
Raffi-X vs Oatmeal
Black Yoshi vs Chaos
Zoan vs Luck

Note: Dabuz didn't attend.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

I wonder what secondary Pink Fresh is gonna bring out Vs Zack. Will be quite interesting to say the least

 

[TDK]

He brought out Lucina vs Black Yoshi earlier and kinda dominated, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried her vs Zack.

 

[L9999]

Royal Flush top 32

Winners:
Logic vs ZeRo
Zinoto vs WaDi
IcyMist vs SuperGirlKels
Captain Zack vs Pink Fresh
Bankai vs Nairo
ANTi vs Tweek
Mr. R vs John Numbers
VoiD vs Mr. E

Losers:
Vivid vs Shoyo James
Bryce vs The Great Gonzales
JaKaL vs Zephyr
Marss vs Frozen
Sandstorm vs Roxas
Raffi-X vs Oatmeal
Black Yoshi vs Chaos
Zoan vs Luck

Note: Dabuz didn't attend.

Is the Lucina 20XX really happening?

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Anyone

Royal Flush top 32

Winners:
Logic vs ZeRo
Zinoto vs WaDi
IcyMist vs SuperGirlKels
Captain Zack vs Pink Fresh
Bankai vs Nairo
ANTi vs Tweek
Mr. R vs John Numbers
VoiD vs Mr. E

Losers:
Vivid vs Shoyo James
Bryce vs The Great Gonzales
JaKaL vs Zephyr
Marss vs Frozen
Sandstorm vs Roxas
Raffi-X vs Oatmeal
Black Yoshi vs Chaos
Zoan vs Luck

Note: Dabuz didn't attend.

Ok..Am i just overthinking this, or does anyone notice how often Bayo mains end up having to face eachother realtively early on in recent competions.

Zack vs Aerolink in pools at Dreamhack

Zack vs Black Yoshi in pools at Glitch 3.

and here at Royal Flush we had Pink Fresh vs Black Yoshi and now Pink Fresh vs Zack in their first round in top 32.

Are...are all these just coincidences?

 

[FamilyTeam]

FS Frozen 3-2 Marss
All games were pretty close, but God damn, the Frozen dragged the last one from the very depths of hell.
I hope this convinces more people about Corrin's viability.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Frozenl 3-2Marss

 

[NotLiquid]

Missed the set but Zack got beat by Pink Fresh?

That has to be an upset.

 

[Game7a1]

Sandstorm 3-0 Captain Zack
Zack is out at 17th.

 

[Nu~]

Why does Lucina look like the most simple, easy to use character in smash 4?

 

[FamilyTeam]

Why does Lucina look like the most simple, easy to use character in smash 4?

She
really
is not.
She is harder than people give her credit for.


Anyway, Void 3-0 Mr. E

That was amazing play from Mr. E. However he kept flubbing stuff on key times and died way too early way too often.

 

[TDK]

No talk about how WaDi 3-0ed Zinoto ?

Also, I really hope Numbers can keep it close with Mr. R.

 

[Vyrnx]

Why does Lucina look like the most simple, easy to use character in smash 4?

ZeRo has said before that he believes spacing is the thing he's best at in Smash. Spacing and reactions/reads is pretty much what you need for Lucina, so picking her up is natural for ZeRo. She has nothing technically demanding and is definitely the easiest character to play/pick up of the top tiers, especially if you already have fundamentals down.

 

[TDK]

Mr. E 3-2 Shoyo James

 

[MarioManTAW]

ZeRo has said before that he believes spacing is the thing he's best at in Smash. Spacing and reactions/reads is pretty much what you need for Lucina, so picking her up is natural for ZeRo. She has nothing technically demanding and is definitely the easiest character to play/pick up of the top tiers, especially if you already have fundamentals down.

That is, if you consider her a top tier. Also, I would have thought either Mario or Cloud would have been just as easy, if not easier...

 

[L9999]

That is, if you consider her a top tier. Also, I would have thought either Mario or Cloud would have been just as easy, if not easier...

She is top tier.

 

[TDK]

Lucina is top tier.

Also, The Great Gonzales 3-1 John Numbers

Decent weekend for Wii Fit, but both of the Wii Fits just missed top 16.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I don't say Lucina is Top Tier because that to me is Top 5, and neither Marth or Lucina are there. To me both are Top 12 at best anyway.
But they are great characters.

 

[TDK]

Frozen 3-0 ANTi

 

[NotLiquid]

Is 2015 Mr. R back?

 

[PK Bash]

WaDi is putting in some serious work which shouldn't be overlooked.
Considering how rough the Diddy MU has historically been for Mewtwo at large events, his performance against Zinoto alone was notable but that set against ZeRo completely blew my mind. Really phenomenal play overall and his banana counterplay in particular was very well developed. I definitely have to watch it a few more times, but regardless, some important stuff to be learnt from WaDi's play at this tournament.

 

[NotLiquid]

I wanted Zinoto to win that one so bad

Smh at ZeRo's Diddy Kong betrayalton

 

[TDK]

ZeRo is a traitor to all Diddies everywhere

Also, IcyMist 3-2 Sandstorm

Who on earth is Sandstorm?

EDIT: The Great Gonzales 3-2 Mr. E

 

[L9999]

ZeRo is a traitor to all Diddies everywhere

Also, IcyMist 3-2 Sandstorm

Who on earth is Sandstorm?

EDIT: The Great Gonzales 3-2 Mr. E

Does Mr E sucks against Ness or Ness players don't share things about the Marcina MU?

 

[TDK]

There's a Ness in top 8.

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

I've been saying Ness doesn't get obliterated by Marthcina for a while now and I'm glad some recent wins (albeit against the same person) is showing that.

Also Gonzales played that perfectly against Bayonetta that's how the MU should be played as Ness.

 

[L9999]

There's a Ness in top 8.

They don't call Gonzales "great" for nothing. Let's see how he does against Wadi.

 

[NotLiquid]

I'm kind of curious whether Bayonetta moving up in ranks might actually indirectly rekindle some of Ness' relevance. At minimum this seems like an even matchup for him.

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

I'm kind of curious whether Bayonetta moving up in ranks might actually indirectly rekindle some of Ness' relevance. At minimum this seems like an even matchup for him.

I'm crazy and go one step further and say it's a slight advantage for Ness. Not just because of this but we've had a few top level Ness wins over Bayonetta of the top of my head FOW vs Saj and FOW vs Zack and also SS vs Zack. FOW was ranked over JK when he was still super active in Vegas indicated atleast a even record with him. I wanna see it played more since Gonz did lose to Zack today and FOW was eliminated from Civil War by 9B but it's probably a even MU now but can potentially lean in Ness' favor with some more data (which I think it will). If that happens I don't see a resurgence in Ness' popularity since he's not really a character you secondary often. But he will gain a reputation as one of the few characters that can take on Bayonetta which is great

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

Sorry double post

 

[Yonder]

WaDi is putting in some serious work which shouldn't be overlooked.
Considering how rough the Diddy MU has historically been for Mewtwo at large events, his performance against Zinoto alone was notable but that set against ZeRo completely blew my mind. Really phenomenal play overall and his banana counterplay in particular was very well developed. I definitely have to watch it a few more times, but regardless, some important stuff to be learnt from WaDi's play at this tournament.

ZeRo is a traitor to all Diddies everywhere

Also, IcyMist 3-2 Sandstorm

Who on earth is Sandstorm?

EDIT: The Great Gonzales 3-2 Mr. E

Can I get the outcome to that Zero vs Wadi match? Sounds like something big happened...I didn't watch it but I'm rooting for Wadi to win the tourney so.