The Return of Wavedashing? Perfect Pivoting Might Be Just That

[Polar Bair]

This was in Brawl, and it wasn't exactly the miracle tech. You can't do it out of a run, it turns you around, and it doesn't have any sort of wavelanding equivalent.

Definitely good tech to have, but nothing revolutionary.

 

[kyxsune]

Alright so when I perfect pivot sometimes I get my character to do a THIRD turn after the pivot. I feel like it would be my control stick bouncing back into place too hard, but I've tried on 3 different controllers with different characters. Anyone experiencing this?

I do. Its caused by an over return of the control stick.

 

[Sheddy]

*picks some of it*
Oh boy, here we go, the ride is only starting

Is their anymore popcorn?

 

[LyonDRC]

the filthy casual is real



this will literally do nothing for the game, this is NOT the equivalent of wavedashing, and if you think so, i doubt you've ever played melee competitively

There aren't any local tournaments where I live so you can't blame me for having trouble doing that. All I have is online :/

 

[Pee-Gcuatro20]

Omfg! X( i just keep dash dancing!! This definitely isn't easy but i must master this

 

[HFlash]

This looks like it really opens the options available for some characters. Calling it the next wave dash is... uhh not really true

 

[Thedragon159]

This is to cool can't wait to try it looks pretty close to wave dashing surprisingly

 

[Kahnu]

This is to cool can't wait to try it looks pretty close to wave dashing surprisingly

It's not, lol.

 

[Thedragon159]

Ugh look at that she's wave dashing

It's not, lol.

 

[Kahnu]

Ugh look at that she's wave dashing

Its not goddamned wavedashing. It's totally different and can't be used in the same ****ing sense. You can't perfect pivot and then ledge grab right?
No.
Please stop.

 

[Thedragon159]

Its not goddamned wavedashing. It's totally different and can't be used in the same ****ing sense. You can't perfect pivot and then ledge grab right?
No.
Please stop.

Shut up suck it

 

[Thedragon159]

Its not goddamned wavedashing. It's totally different and can't be used in the same ****ing sense. You can't perfect pivot and then ledge grab right?
No.
Please stop.

 

[Kahnu]

What are you, 9? It's not wavedashing.

 

[Thedragon159]

Suck my ****

What are you, 9? It's not wavedashing.

 

[G-Dub]

Its not goddamned wavedashing. It's totally different and can't be used in the same ****ing sense. You can't perfect pivot and then ledge grab right?
No.
Please stop.

Why would you need to perfect pivot and grab a ledge when you can quarter circle turn to grab ledges in this game... If you wanted to make an example of perfect pivot not having the same implications you could have talked about running and wavedashing, landing and wavedashing, wavedashing on platforms. Instead you brought up the most irrelevant use that wavedashing could possibly have in sm4sh. Clutch post bruh.

 

[Kahnu]

Why would you need to perfect pivot and grab a ledge when you can quarter circle turn to grab ledges in this game... If you wanted to make an example of perfect pivot not having the same implications you could have talked about running and wavedashing, landing and wavedashing, wavedashing on platforms. Instead you brought up the most irrelevant use that wavedashing could possibly have in sm4sh. Clutch post bruh.

I'm putting an example. It's literally the first thing that came up in my mind.
The point is, this is not wavedashing and doesn't have the same uses.

 

[Thedragon159]

Alright well wave dashing was waay over used and glad to see they trried to bring it back without it in the game lol

 

[Kahnu]

Alright well wave dashing was waay over used and glad to see they trried to bring it back without it in the game lol

this post gave me cancer

 

[LimitCrown]

Alright well wave dashing was waay over used and glad to see they trried to bring it back without it in the game lol

Wavedashing was never brought back. Perfect pivoting had already existed in the games.

 

[tarextherex]

Yall dumb in every way. Not only this was in Brawl but this is literally impossible to patch, they don't want GLITCHES. fox trotting isn't a glitch, it's the game recognizing a dash input out of a dash, patching that would probably make the game have serious problems like not being able to dash at all except if you're idle or something. Same thing with perfect pivoting, it's basically a pivoted foxtrot. This is pretty much useless since why put so much stress on your control stick when you can just learn to space. Oh wait people are making a big deal out of it because they are all 2013ers who got into smash with the documentary and think wavedashing is what makes smash competitive.

 

[Madlollipop]

Yall dumb in every way. Not only this was in Brawl but this is literally impossible to patch, they don't want GLITCHES. fox trotting isn't a glitch, it's the game recognizing a dash input out of a dash, patching that would probably make the game have serious problems like not being able to dash at all except if you're idle or something. Same thing with perfect pivoting, it's basically a pivoted foxtrot. This is pretty much useless since why put so much stress on your control stick when you can just learn to space. Oh wait people are making a big deal out of it because they are all 2013ers who got into smash with the documentary and think wavedashing is what makes smash competitive.

Competitive?
anything that people compete in is cobsidered competitive by definition.
brawl is competitive, so os smash 4, with or without wavedashes sort of strange to bring that up.

 

[Deleted member]

This + This = HYESZ.

 

[gamestationpro]

Hooray another thing for salty casuals to whine about

 

[Snowfin]

All these talk about things being "intended" or not... i really dont understand why that even matters if it was intended or not.

bububu i wished this techs would be gone because they make me have to practice and i want to win without practicing and it wasnt even intended bububu...

 

[smashboy12]

So many comments, so much hate.

 

[Deleted member]

Nobody expected there to be wavedashing of any sort in Smash 4. After it was removed in Brawl, it was clear it wasn't coming back. Melee fans bemoaned the lack of spacing options without it, but Brawl moved on without. However, Smash 4 has a technique that mimics wavedashing, allowing players to find their spacing much more precisely than they could otherwise. It's called perfect pivoting, and it just might revolutionize how people play Smash 4 in the future.

What does that look like to you?​

Perfect pivoting is exactly what it sounds like - a quick pivot. However, it stopped perfectly, characters hold some momentum and slide across the stage. The length varies by character. For instance, Jigglypuff's perfect pivot is short, while Luigi's is long. You can also perform attack out of them - jabs, tilts, smashes and grabs are all game. Starting to sound familiar yet?

YouTube channel My Smash Corner uploaded a video detailing the technique and its uses. Check out the video below and see it for yourself.

What do you think? Is this the second coming of wavedashing? Or will it be deemed useless and left behind? Make your voice heard in the comments below!

The Derrit thinks this looks hard to do consistently, but then again so was wavedashing at first. Chat with him on Twitter at @TheDerrit.

We'll...this is way to competitive.

 

[Kahnu]

this is why i hate smash 4 players

 

[kingbluenose]

Seems intresting, the thing I'm wondering is if it can work on other controllers.

 

[Kahnu]

the f**k...

 

[jdr112]

In my opinion, this is pretty useless. While it does have the same use as wavedashing, smash 4 has already proven to be an in-depth, yet simple competitive fighter. Why overcomplicate the game when it's doing just fine as is?

 

[Prawn]

Idk about everyone else but I've gotten the hang of this and if Luigis is supposed to be good then....this is not that useful at all

 

[BigShad]

This technique will truly be hard to pull off at first, but as long as people are stubborn with this, as they normally are, I can see it being used a lot later on.

Does anyone have a clue on what the 'square amount' for PPing (hehe) is for the standard-size Mii characters, or is that gonna have to be tested?

 

[KH1COM2]

This could actually change ground Meta game. And as a bonus, it's so easy to gimp Little Mac with lol.

I wonder how the pro's are gonna use this?

 

[Scarlet Bean]

please no. Why is this happening

 

[KH1COM2]

please no. Why is this happening

Relax bro. Pivoting is really easy to do, especially on a GC controller. Perfect Pivoting is also pretty easy. This isnt a technique that separates pros from noobs.

It's a technique that separates wisdom over bliss, if that makes sense.

 

[smashbroskilla]

this is why i hate smash 4 players

All mods must have been working their real jobs this weekend. I'm surprised you didn't earn points with your banter.

 

[Peterwolf]

Looks like the smash fighters are on ice again \o/

 

[31gma]

Shhhhh, don't tell Nintendo. They will patch it out like Link and Peach's toss cancelling.

 

[lotad]

For such an easy input god is it hard to do right

 

[jdr112]

Relax bro. Pivoting is really easy to do, especially on a GC controller. Perfect Pivoting is also pretty easy. This isnt a technique that separates pros from noobs.

It's a technique that separates wisdom over bliss, if that makes sense.

Sure it is, just like wavedashing is easy to do, right?