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If there is another game yet to be released or at least revealed, we will probably hear about it at Level-5's vision conference on October.
Haven't played it yet, will probably get around to it at some point.
I haven't played the game myself yet, but from what I've heard, it is indeed quite underwhelming from both a gameplay and story standpoint. Hopefully Level-5 will take any of the critisisms for the game at hand and improve upon it in the next entry...
well the story was alright but was quite as up to the same standard as the others
The general consensus amongst fans seems to be disappointment. And boy is that consensus right...
That Fire Emblem track is a dead ringer for a Professor Layton track in the vein of "About Town" or "London Streets". You can just imagine it playing as you're poking round a Layton locale. Great find.
This is pretty cool actually to see just how he stacks up. The games (and the character) have been very popular for quite a while! There's definitely a fan demand to see him in Smash too, though it seems that unlike K. Rool and co. Layton fans haven't been particularly vocal to the Smash developers - much of it seems focused more to Level-5 if anyone. e.g. https://twitter.com/LaytonSeries/status/1030582681967374336
The fact the series managed to make it up there so quickly is in particular very amazing! I mean, we have to remember some of those franchises have been around since the 90's or even the 80's whereas the Layton series came along in the late 2000's in 2007, and It's the series that really skyrocketet Level-5 into the public eye. That alone is really impressive!
I've heard the anime adapts the cases from the LMJ game and does it better so yeah, I'd probably suggest watching the anime. I haven't watched it myself other than the Hershel episodes, but from what I've seen, It's really enjoyable.
Interestingly, I noticed the newer Fire Emblem titles seem to carry some Layton elements in them. Shadows of Valentia has a feature where you can explore towns and find items through point and click. It functions exactly like a Layton game, also being able to talk to characters and the MC making comments on anything they find. (I know that's common with point and click games in general, but I was reminded of Layton so much when I first used the feature.) Fire Emblem Awakening has tracks like 'ID Serenity' that are in a similar vein to Misthallery's day theme from Last Specter. I wonder if Intelligent Systems used Professor Layton as inspiration for the newer FE games. Which is why I suggested the Layton tracks would be done by them.
I have found the source article for that screenshot. It's from Forbes, an American business/finance magazine. Although, they do other topics such as science and technology. They're credible too, it has a good reputation among businessmen around the world. (Thank you magazine writing class I took in college. xD)Also, I found this.
https://twitter.com/LaytonSmash/status/765827360537051136
I have to find the source for this, but if this is true and the Layton series is indeed Hino's most favourite Level-5 franchise then that's great news!
At least we'd know who he'd suggest first for Smash if he ever approached Sakurai.
Oh wow, thanks a ton for digging up those articlesInterestingly, I noticed the newer Fire Emblem titles seem to carry some Layton elements in them. Shadows of Valentia has a feature where you can explore towns and find items through point and click. It functions exactly like a Layton game, also being able to talk to characters and the MC making comments on anything they find. (I know that's common with point and click games in general, but I was reminded of Layton so much when I first used the feature.) Fire Emblem Awakening has tracks like 'ID Serenity' that are in a similar vein to Misthallery's day theme from Last Specter. I wonder if Intelligent Systems used Professor Layton as inspiration for the newer FE games. Which is why I suggested the Layton tracks would be done by them.
Crush 40 (known for their Sonic songs) is another candidate I could see take on rock versions of Layton songs. But we'll have to wait and see should any Layton music get into Ultimate!
I have found the source article for that screenshot. It's from Forbes, an American business/finance magazine. Although, they do other topics such as science and technology. They're credible too, it has a good reputation among businessmen around the world. (Thank you magazine writing class I took in college. xD)
Be warned that if you have Ad Blocker and you click that link, they're very stingy with that on their website. So I would disable it if you want to see the full article. It was published in 2016.
In addition, there's also this. This article was published a little less than a year after, 2017. And Akihiro Hino reinstates that Professor Layton is his favorite game to have worked on.
From the article:
"On the favorite game he’s worked on…
My favorite is definitely Professor Layton. It was the first title we worked on as a publisher, so I was able to focus on every little detail. We all worked so hard on it, as a result, we delivered it, and people really loved it. On the producer and consumer side, it made the best result. That’s what matters."
This gives me hope a bit. If Hino really loves Layton, and if he is/was approached by Sakurai, the Professor as Level-5's rep would be a no-brainer. I think he would be so honored to have his first independent creation in Smash. It would be such a major milestone for Level-5. And of course for us Layton fans, because the series gets more recognition and we see our Professor in one of the biggest crossovers in gaming history.
Hopefully Level-5 Vision, which is coming up as we're getting closer to the Fall, brings us some huge news.
NintenJen
this is huge news!
Even if Layton is not in the base game, I just hope Hino will manage to properly represent relationships this year by negotiating with his buddy company Nintendo and Sakurai for Layton as DLC. This year would probably be the time DLC candidates are getting considered, sorta like with Mewtwo and his reveal in 2014.
Come to think of it. October would be around the time when Smash Ultimate is going gold and ready for release right? That does seem like the perfect opportunity for Hino to approach Sakurai for DLC content if he hasn't yet...
Professor Hershel Layton.
First appearance: Professor Layton and the Curious Village for Nintendo DS.
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Who is Layton?
Professor Layton is the original protagonist of the Layton puzzle solving series. He is an archaeologist who travels all over the world solving various mysteries from specter's to ancient civilizations and even time itself. Accompanied by his self proclaimed apprentice Luke Triton as well as his talented puzzle solving skills. Layton has been through numerous fun, dangerous, sad and epic adventures.
Despite being mainly known for his high intellect and puzzle solving skills. Layton is no stranger to combat either, whether it is him facing a single opponent in a one to one battle, or crafting up various contraptions to help him along the way!
While it's unknown wether or not Hershel himself will appear in the upcoming Lady Layton game, the main premise of the game does still revolve on him being the final goal of the new protagonist. And despite the series moving forward without him as the main protagonist, it is clear that Hershel is still the main face of the Layton franchise.
Moveset.
Despite what his initial appearance may look at first glance. Layton is actually a very athletic and resourceful character. He takes advantage of the environment around him and works on to his battle style around that.
Layton's series involves the solving of various puzzles and brainteasers so his main playstyle should revolve around playing mind games and keeping his opponent on their toes, making them think on how to approach him and what he would do next. His moveset should reflect on that as if one where to solve a puzzle, much like how it is in the Layton series.
Basic Animations:
Walk: Layton would walk normally like he does in the games.
Run: A basic running animation. Visually, it resembles the scenes when he chased the Black Raven in Last Specter and the moment the Giant Float is about to collapse on him in Miracle Mask. He has the same running speed as Snake.
Jump: He lunges upward in the first jump. With his second jump, he curls his body, but it doesn't give him too much vertical distance. It is very similar to Snake's jumps, but Layton's up special makes up for it.
Fall: Layton holds onto his hat with one hand while his other arm is held out, slightly bent. He has relatively fast falling speed as he is a bit of a heavy weight.
Crouch: Layton bends with one knee while one arm rests on it.
Crawl: A basic crawling animation where Layton crawls with his knees and hands.
Shield: Layton grabs his hat with one hand, while his other arm is bent and hovers over his chest.
Roll: Instead of rolling, Layton slides to the outside of the stage. When returning back, he has one hand on the ground as he bends his body forward.
Side-step: Layton grabs his hat with one hand and moves toward the back of the stage with a surprised expression while his other arm extends far to the side.
Dizzy: Layton grabs his hat with one hand and stumbles from left to right.
Sleep: Layton sits down with his legs crossed while resting his head on one of his arms.
Swimming: Layton moves his arms similar to a breast-stroke pull.
Drowning: He lowers his hat over his eyes with one of his hands, while the other arm and his legs float helplessly in the water.
Idle Animations:
-Animation 1: Layton adjusts his hat.
-Animation 2: Layton holds his hand to his chin, taking a thinking position.
-Animation 3: Layton pouts his arms and slightly nods his head.
Launching scream: Layton screams, "Uuwaaahhh." It sounds similar to the scene when he tumbles with Luke through the forest in Azran Legacy.
KO scream: Layton screams, "Huaghh." It sounds exactly like his scream when Emmy crossed his path at the beginning of Last Specter.
Star KO scream: Sounds exactly like his scream from Azran Legacy when the beam of light was killing him.
Basic attacks:
Jab: Layton delivers a small slap with his right hand while raising his pinky (supposed to be a gentleman's slap).
Double Jab: The second jab is another gentleman's slap, but he uses his left hand instead.
Triple Jab: Layton pulls out a fencing sword and uses it like he's in a fencing match. It can lead into a repetitive jab, and the final blow is the finishing fencing move that touches the opponent.
Dash Attack: Layton pulls out a metallic pipe and slashes from left tor right. The attack manner is similar to Marth's dash attack.
Tilt Attacks:
Forward Tilt: Layton holds out his magnifying glass, and the tool gives the same orange tint just like it does in the games when you find something of interest (even producing the same sound effect). The moment when the magnifying glass turns orange is when damage is delivered.
Up Tilt: Layton takes an "a-ha" stance as the iconic red exclamation mark from the games appears above his head. This exclamation mark is what deals the damage, and it is his strongest tilt attack.
Down Tilt: Layton uses an archaeological hand pick and does a hammering animation using it.
Aerial Attacks:
Neutral Aerial: Layton grabs a camera by its strap and swings it around himself.
Forward Aerial: Layton uses the same metallic pipe and moves the pipe downward. Visually, the attack resembles Layton's first strike on Descole when Layton released himself from the Fossil Glider in Azran Legacy.
Back Aerial: Keats the Puzzle Cat emerges from Layton's coat, and the cat slashes foes from behind Layton's back before returning to his coat. During this animation, Layton watches Keats with a surprised expression and quickly helps Keats return back into his coat.
Up Aerial: Layton pulls out the toy robot from Miracle Mask and holds it above his head. The toy robot then does a small, upward jump from Layton's hand while moving its arms up. This attack has a dual-damaging effect where it can potentially deal two blows to the opponent. There is a sweet-spot at the robot's arms.
Down Aerial: Layton takes a shovel and stabs it toward the ground. The attack heavily resembles Link's down aerial, even having the same meteor spike if the opponent is hit by the sweet-spot.
Grabs:
Pummel: Layton knees his opponent.
Each of Layton's throws reference various puzzles throughout the series. In each throw, he releases his opponent and changes into a thinking position. Upon releasing his opponent, the throw takes place. After the throw finishes, he looks up with a grin on his face, just like when a puzzle is correctly solved. Think of it as if Layton uses his intellectual thoughts to attack the foe. It's like Layton is playing "mind-games" with his opponents!
Forward Throw: A small toy train (as seen from a bird's eye view) appears above Layton, moves toward the opponent, and latches onto him/her. The train quickly moves slightly forward then diagonally upward before disappearing and releasing the opponent. It mimics those "drag the line" puzzles where you need to get a chain to another side, usually involving trains of some sort.
Back Throw: Three pitchers appear in front of Layton. The opponent is then thrown between the pitchers as if he/she is being poured like milk. It mimics the milk puzzle from Curious Village.
Up Throw: Three rectangular blocks push the opponent upwards, with the final block releasing the opponent high. It's a weak attack with high knockback, mimicking those "drag the blocks to get a certain piece to the other side" puzzles that are very common throughout the series.
Down Throw: A tetris-shaped block pushes the opponent downward. A second one pushes the opponent in a direction behind Layton. The last piece pushes the opponent upward. This ultimately creates a rigid U-shaped throw. It mimics those "fix the pictures" puzzles that is akin to assembling a jigsaw puzzle, but the pieces are more tetris-shaped.
Smash Attacks:
Each of these attacks involve the Azran Keystone from Azran Legacy.
Forward Smash: Layton pulls out the Azran Keystone casually holding it to the side for the charging animation. Once he finishes charging, he extends his arm holding the Keystone in front of himself. The Keystone then delivers a shockwave-like blast that deals tremendous damage to foes. The blast looks exactly the same as the one that was produced from the device in the games.
Up Smash: It plays out almost identically to the forward smash. The only difference is that Layton holds the Keystone above his head for the finishing blow, and the blast deals vertical knockback.
Down Smash: Unlike the forward and up smashes, Layton puts the Azran Keystone on the ground and holds it there for the charging animation. Once fully charged, the Keystone emits the the same blast, only this time, it covers a 360 degree radius surrounding Layton.
Specials:
Standard Special - Coin-Slot Machine Gun: Layton pulls out the same gun of the same name he created in Unwound Future. He charges it then and fires a barrage of coins. The length of time it takes to fire the coins depends on your charge time. Layton can move left and right while firing his gun, but he cannot turn around while doing so. The barrage of coins has the same effect as firing multiple, small shots from the Super Scope, but unlike the Super Scope, you can combo into a grab by moving toward the foe as you fire coins to keep him/her stunned. The gun can fire for up to five seconds at most. You can't use it right away after the gun finishes firing because the next Layton uses the attack, he will dump a bag of coins to prepare for the next attack. It takes about one second for Layton to dump coins. Once he finishes doing so, you can charge and fire again.
Side Special - Hamster Attack: Layton throws an apple, and if it hits someone, it does a small amount of damage. If he uses the side special again, he will throw the hamster this time, and it will quickly run towards the apple. As the hamster runs, it can climb up walls similar to the Bombchu, and it can anyone in its path with small damage. Once it reaches the apple, the hamster eats it. If an opponent is right next to an apple, he/she will be trapped by the hamster as it eats the apple and wrack up damage with each bite. Basically, the hamster is biting the opponent's feet in the process. With the final bite, the opponent is launched with decent knock back.
Up Special - Globe Glider: Layton uses the Globe Glider he built from Curious Village. When utilizing it, he faces towards his front. The glider can travel very high and is easy to maneuver, similar to Snake and ROB's up specials. This attack makes up for Layton's low second jump, repeating a similar deal to Snake's recovery. The glider can also disrupt an opponent's up-special when it makes contact, but in doing so, the glider will lose control for a few seconds before Layton is forced to dislodge himself. This references the scene when the glider slightly touches Don Paolo's helicopter in Curious Village, disrupting it to the point Don Paolo is forced to flee. When his up special finishes, Layton is not rendered helpless.
Down Special - Stone Catapult: Layton pulls out the catapult he uses to take down Descole in Last Specter, but it has been scaled down to closely match his size. He charges the catapult toYou can charge the catapult so that two stones can be launched farther. The farther the stones are launched, the more knock back and damage they deal. The stones deal more damage if they hit a foe that is in the air.
Final Smash:
Deduction: A cinematic Final Smash that references the most iconic cutscene in every Layton game where the Professor identifies who the real culprit behind the crime was.
The Final Smash begins with Layton taking a thinking stance and saying, "Hmmm." A glint appears in front of Layton and covers a small yet decent range in front of him. If anyone is caught within the glint's range, the screen turns white.
The scene then changes to show several people, including the culprit, sitting around a table in an old-fashioned living room, with Layton standing behind them. The people are all shadowed save for the the opponent that was caught by the glint. While taking his classic thinking stance, Layton walks around the room and says, "Someone here was the mastermind behind this awful scheme." He then looks forward the opponent and does his signature point at him/her, telling the foe, "And that person was you!" At that moment, the opponent takes on a funny stunned animation, indicating their shock at being caught. The scene then returns to the battle, only this time, the caught foe is delivered a large amount of damage and knockback. That attack can KO as early as 50%.
If Layton caught two or more foes, the scene plays out like it normally does. The only difference is that Layton uses plural nouns at the respective moments. While walking around and thinking, he says "some people" instead of "someone," and when deducing the culprit, he says "those people" instead of "that person."
I can also imagine a nice Easter Egg where all the shadowed people are individuals that appeared in past Layton games.
Taunts:
Up Taunt: Layton adjusts his hat, then pouts his arms. As he pouts his arms, he says, "Every puzzle has an answer."
Side Taunt: Layton tips his hat forward and says, "A remarkable move!"
Down Taunt: Layton pulls out a cup of tea and drinks it.
Victory Animations:
The victory melody would be a more melodic version of the "Puzzle Solved" soundbite, heard in the video brought up with the first animation.
Animation 1: Layton puts his hand on his chin, closes his eyes and looks down, then looks back up at the camera. He follows with his signature point and says, "I've found the solution!" This entire animation plays out exactly like the "Puzzle Solved "bit after solving a puzzle. Here's a video for reference:
Remove the black stills that interrupt at the different intervals to make the whole animation more fluid, and that's how it would likely play out in Smash.
Animation 2: Layton adjusts his hat and says "A true gentleman leaves no puzzle unsolved." He finishes with a pout while smiling at the camera.
Animation 3: Layton brushes both arms of his coat as if he is removing dust. As he does so, he states, "That was quite the riveting match!" He then adjusts his coat by putting both hands on the zipper sides to tuck his coat up.
Losing Animation: A basic losing animation that involves Layton clapping towards his left side while holding a smile on his face.
Home stage.
St.Mystere: The first location explored in the Layton series. I can see this stage working in two way's.
One. Since the size of St.Mystere is roughly the same as that of Delfino Plaza and Skyloft, the stage can work much the same as those stages, where a platform will carry you to various different locations from the game. Such as Reinhold Manor, the Ferris Wheel and the Tower itself.
Another way to implement this stage is a bit more unique and that's involving the main battle taking place on top of three houses. As the battle carries on, Don Paolo's flying contraption will come along and destroy one of the three buildings at random with his ball and chain weapon, leaving you only two buildings to fight on for a while until the destroyed building gets repaired through a puzzle animation and gets restored to its former state.
Pros:
* Level-5 themselves are aware of Layton's demand for Smash, having acknowledged his desire to be in the game through various interviews as well as in the Professor Layton fanbook.
* The Professor Layton series is Akihiro Hino's most favourite franchise that Level-5 produced as It was the first series they published and It's success and popularity means a lot to him and his company.
* As of 2018, the Layton series has sold 17 million copies, that on top of the fact that the series has spawned various spin off games, merchandise, a movie, manga's, novels and now even an anime, there is no doubt that the series has a high profile to the general public.
* Has the potential for a very unique puzzle based moveset in Smash, with only Dr.Mario in the game, there is a lot of room for exploration in the puzzle solving genre for Smash.
Cons:
* Potential competition with other popular Level-5 characters, most particular Jibanyan from Yokai Watch.
* Well.... he's third party. which may make obtaining the rights for him a bit more of a challenge.
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Thread for general Layton series talk. Thanks Erureidohttps://smashboards.com/threads/pro...as-well-as-potential-lady-layton-news.448280/
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Professor Hershel Layton.
First appearance: Professor Layton and the Curious Village for Nintendo DS.
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Who is Layton?
Professor Layton is the original protagonist of the Layton puzzle solving series. He is an archaeologist who travels all over the world solving various mysteries from specter's to ancient civilizations and even time itself. Accompanied by his self proclaimed apprentice Luke Triton as well as his talented puzzle solving skills. Layton has been through numerous fun, dangerous, sad and epic adventures.
Despite being mainly known for his high intellect and puzzle solving skills. Layton is no stranger to combat either, whether it is him facing a single opponent in a one to one battle, or crafting up various contraptions to help him along the way!
While it's unknown wether or not Hershel himself will appear in the upcoming Lady Layton game, the main premise of the game does still revolve on him being the final goal of the new protagonist. And despite the series moving forward without him as the main protagonist, it is clear that Hershel is still the main face of the Layton franchise.
Moveset.
Despite what his initial appearance may look at first glance. Layton is actually a very athletic and resourceful character. He takes advantage of the environment around him and works on to his battle style around that.
Layton's series involves the solving of various puzzles and brainteasers so his main playstyle should revolve around playing mind games and keeping his opponent on their toes, making them think on how to approach him and what he would do next. His moveset should reflect on that as if one where to solve a puzzle, much like how it is in the Layton series.
Basic Animations:
Walk: Layton would walk normally like he does in the games.
Run: A basic running animation. Visually, it resembles the scenes when he chased the Black Raven in Last Specter and the moment the Giant Float is about to collapse on him in Miracle Mask. He has the same running speed as Snake.
Jump: He lunges upward in the first jump. With his second jump, he curls his body, but it doesn't give him too much vertical distance. It is very similar to Snake's jumps, but Layton's up special makes up for it.
Fall: Layton holds onto his hat with one hand while his other arm is held out, slightly bent. He has relatively fast falling speed as he is a bit of a heavy weight.
Crouch: Layton bends with one knee while one arm rests on it.
Crawl: A basic crawling animation where Layton crawls with his knees and hands.
Shield: Layton grabs his hat with one hand, while his other arm is bent and hovers over his chest.
Roll: Instead of rolling, Layton slides to the outside of the stage. When returning back, he has one hand on the ground as he bends his body forward.
Side-step: Layton grabs his hat with one hand and moves toward the back of the stage with a surprised expression while his other arm extends far to the side.
Dizzy: Layton grabs his hat with one hand and stumbles from left to right.
Sleep: Layton sits down with his legs crossed while resting his head on one of his arms.
Swimming: Layton moves his arms similar to a breast-stroke pull.
Drowning: He lowers his hat over his eyes with one of his hands, while the other arm and his legs float helplessly in the water.
Idle Animations:
-Animation 1: Layton adjusts his hat.
-Animation 2: Layton holds his hand to his chin, taking a thinking position.
-Animation 3: Layton pouts his arms and slightly nods his head.
Launching scream: Layton screams, "Uuwaaahhh." It sounds similar to the scene when he tumbles with Luke through the forest in Azran Legacy.
KO scream: Layton screams, "Huaghh." It sounds exactly like his scream when Emmy crossed his path at the beginning of Last Specter.
Star KO scream: Sounds exactly like his scream from Azran Legacy when the beam of light was killing him.
Basic attacks:
Jab: Layton delivers a small slap with his right hand while raising his pinky (supposed to be a gentleman's slap).
Double Jab: The second jab is another gentleman's slap, but he uses his left hand instead.
Triple Jab: Layton pulls out a fencing sword and uses it like he's in a fencing match. It can lead into a repetitive jab, and the final blow is the finishing fencing move that touches the opponent.
Dash Attack: Layton pulls out a metallic pipe and slashes from left tor right. The attack manner is similar to Marth's dash attack.
Tilt Attacks:
Forward Tilt: Layton holds out his magnifying glass, and the tool gives the same orange tint just like it does in the games when you find something of interest (even producing the same sound effect). The moment when the magnifying glass turns orange is when damage is delivered.
Up Tilt: Layton takes an "a-ha" stance as the iconic red exclamation mark from the games appears above his head. This exclamation mark is what deals the damage, and it is his strongest tilt attack.
Down Tilt: Layton uses an archaeological hand pick and does a hammering animation using it.
Aerial Attacks:
Neutral Aerial: Layton grabs a camera by its strap and swings it around himself.
Forward Aerial: Layton uses the same metallic pipe and moves the pipe downward. Visually, the attack resembles Layton's first strike on Descole when Layton released himself from the Fossil Glider in Azran Legacy.
Back Aerial: Keats the Puzzle Cat emerges from Layton's coat, and the cat slashes foes from behind Layton's back before returning to his coat. During this animation, Layton watches Keats with a surprised expression and quickly helps Keats return back into his coat.
Up Aerial: Layton pulls out the toy robot from Miracle Mask and holds it above his head. The toy robot then does a small, upward jump from Layton's hand while moving its arms up. This attack has a dual-damaging effect where it can potentially deal two blows to the opponent. There is a sweet-spot at the robot's arms.
Down Aerial: Layton takes a shovel and stabs it toward the ground. The attack heavily resembles Link's down aerial, even having the same meteor spike if the opponent is hit by the sweet-spot.
Grabs:
Pummel: Layton knees his opponent.
Each of Layton's throws reference various puzzles throughout the series. In each throw, he releases his opponent and changes into a thinking position. Upon releasing his opponent, the throw takes place. After the throw finishes, he looks up with a grin on his face, just like when a puzzle is correctly solved. Think of it as if Layton uses his intellectual thoughts to attack the foe. It's like Layton is playing "mind-games" with his opponents!
Forward Throw: A small toy train (as seen from a bird's eye view) appears above Layton, moves toward the opponent, and latches onto him/her. The train quickly moves slightly forward then diagonally upward before disappearing and releasing the opponent. It mimics those "drag the line" puzzles where you need to get a chain to another side, usually involving trains of some sort.
Back Throw: Three pitchers appear in front of Layton. The opponent is then thrown between the pitchers as if he/she is being poured like milk. It mimics the milk puzzle from Curious Village.
Up Throw: Three rectangular blocks push the opponent upwards, with the final block releasing the opponent high. It's a weak attack with high knockback, mimicking those "drag the blocks to get a certain piece to the other side" puzzles that are very common throughout the series.
Down Throw: A tetris-shaped block pushes the opponent downward. A second one pushes the opponent in a direction behind Layton. The last piece pushes the opponent upward. This ultimately creates a rigid U-shaped throw. It mimics those "fix the pictures" puzzles that is akin to assembling a jigsaw puzzle, but the pieces are more tetris-shaped.
Smash Attacks:
Each of these attacks involve the Azran Keystone from Azran Legacy.
Forward Smash: Layton pulls out the Azran Keystone casually holding it to the side for the charging animation. Once he finishes charging, he extends his arm holding the Keystone in front of himself. The Keystone then delivers a shockwave-like blast that deals tremendous damage to foes. The blast looks exactly the same as the one that was produced from the device in the games.
Up Smash: It plays out almost identically to the forward smash. The only difference is that Layton holds the Keystone above his head for the finishing blow, and the blast deals vertical knockback.
Down Smash: Unlike the forward and up smashes, Layton puts the Azran Keystone on the ground and holds it there for the charging animation. Once fully charged, the Keystone emits the the same blast, only this time, it covers a 360 degree radius surrounding Layton.
Specials:
Standard Special - Coin-Slot Machine Gun: Layton pulls out the same gun of the same name he created in Unwound Future. He charges it then and fires a barrage of coins. The length of time it takes to fire the coins depends on your charge time. Layton can move left and right while firing his gun, but he cannot turn around while doing so. The barrage of coins has the same effect as firing multiple, small shots from the Super Scope, but unlike the Super Scope, you can combo into a grab by moving toward the foe as you fire coins to keep him/her stunned. The gun can fire for up to five seconds at most. You can't use it right away after the gun finishes firing because the next Layton uses the attack, he will dump a bag of coins to prepare for the next attack. It takes about one second for Layton to dump coins. Once he finishes doing so, you can charge and fire again.
Side Special - Hamster Attack: Layton throws an apple, and if it hits someone, it does a small amount of damage. If he uses the side special again, he will throw the hamster this time, and it will quickly run towards the apple. As the hamster runs, it can climb up walls similar to the Bombchu, and it can anyone in its path with small damage. Once it reaches the apple, the hamster eats it. If an opponent is right next to an apple, he/she will be trapped by the hamster as it eats the apple and wrack up damage with each bite. Basically, the hamster is biting the opponent's feet in the process. With the final bite, the opponent is launched with decent knock back.
Up Special - Globe Glider: Layton uses the Globe Glider he built from Curious Village. When utilizing it, he faces towards his front. The glider can travel very high and is easy to maneuver, similar to Snake and ROB's up specials. This attack makes up for Layton's low second jump, repeating a similar deal to Snake's recovery. The glider can also disrupt an opponent's up-special when it makes contact, but in doing so, the glider will lose control for a few seconds before Layton is forced to dislodge himself. This references the scene when the glider slightly touches Don Paolo's helicopter in Curious Village, disrupting it to the point Don Paolo is forced to flee. When his up special finishes, Layton is not rendered helpless.
Down Special - Stone Catapult: Layton pulls out the catapult he uses to take down Descole in Last Specter, but it has been scaled down to closely match his size. He charges the catapult toYou can charge the catapult so that two stones can be launched farther. The farther the stones are launched, the more knock back and damage they deal. The stones deal more damage if they hit a foe that is in the air.
Final Smash:
Deduction: A cinematic Final Smash that references the most iconic cutscene in every Layton game where the Professor identifies who the real culprit behind the crime was.
The Final Smash begins with Layton taking a thinking stance and saying, "Hmmm." A glint appears in front of Layton and covers a small yet decent range in front of him. If anyone is caught within the glint's range, the screen turns white.
The scene then changes to show several people, including the culprit, sitting around a table in an old-fashioned living room, with Layton standing behind them. The people are all shadowed save for the the opponent that was caught by the glint. While taking his classic thinking stance, Layton walks around the room and says, "Someone here was the mastermind behind this awful scheme." He then looks forward the opponent and does his signature point at him/her, telling the foe, "And that person was you!" At that moment, the opponent takes on a funny stunned animation, indicating their shock at being caught. The scene then returns to the battle, only this time, the caught foe is delivered a large amount of damage and knockback. That attack can KO as early as 50%.
If Layton caught two or more foes, the scene plays out like it normally does. The only difference is that Layton uses plural nouns at the respective moments. While walking around and thinking, he says "some people" instead of "someone," and when deducing the culprit, he says "those people" instead of "that person."
I can also imagine a nice Easter Egg where all the shadowed people are individuals that appeared in past Layton games.
Taunts:
Up Taunt: Layton adjusts his hat, then pouts his arms. As he pouts his arms, he says, "Every puzzle has an answer."
Side Taunt: Layton tips his hat forward and says, "A remarkable move!"
Down Taunt: Layton pulls out a cup of tea and drinks it.
Victory Animations:
The victory melody would be a more melodic version of the "Puzzle Solved" soundbite, heard in the video brought up with the first animation.
Animation 1: Layton puts his hand on his chin, closes his eyes and looks down, then looks back up at the camera. He follows with his signature point and says, "I've found the solution!" This entire animation plays out exactly like the "Puzzle Solved "bit after solving a puzzle. Here's a video for reference:
Remove the black stills that interrupt at the different intervals to make the whole animation more fluid, and that's how it would likely play out in Smash.
Animation 2: Layton adjusts his hat and says "A true gentleman leaves no puzzle unsolved." He finishes with a pout while smiling at the camera.
Animation 3: Layton brushes both arms of his coat as if he is removing dust. As he does so, he states, "That was quite the riveting match!" He then adjusts his coat by putting both hands on the zipper sides to tuck his coat up.
Losing Animation: A basic losing animation that involves Layton clapping towards his left side while holding a smile on his face.
Home stage.
St.Mystere: The first location explored in the Layton series. I can see this stage working in two way's.
One. Since the size of St.Mystere is roughly the same as that of Delfino Plaza and Skyloft, the stage can work much the same as those stages, where a platform will carry you to various different locations from the game. Such as Reinhold Manor, the Ferris Wheel and the Tower itself.
Another way to implement this stage is a bit more unique and that's involving the main battle taking place on top of three houses. As the battle carries on, Don Paolo's flying contraption will come along and destroy one of the three buildings at random with his ball and chain weapon, leaving you only two buildings to fight on for a while until the destroyed building gets repaired through a puzzle animation and gets restored to its former state.
Pros:
* Level-5 themselves are aware of Layton's demand for Smash, having acknowledged his desire to be in the game through various interviews as well as in the Professor Layton fanbook.
* The Professor Layton series is Akihiro Hino's most favourite franchise that Level-5 produced as It was the first series they published and It's success and popularity means a lot to him and his company.
* As of 2018, the Layton series has sold 17 million copies, that on top of the fact that the series has spawned various spin off games, merchandise, a movie, manga's, novels and now even an anime, there is no doubt that the series has a high profile to the general public.
* Has the potential for a very unique puzzle based moveset in Smash, with only Dr.Mario in the game, there is a lot of room for exploration in the puzzle solving genre for Smash.
Cons:
* Potential competition with other popular Level-5 characters, most particular Jibanyan from Yokai Watch.
* Well.... he's third party. which may make obtaining the rights for him a bit more of a challenge.
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Thread for general Layton series talk. Thanks Erureidohttps://smashboards.com/threads/pro...as-well-as-potential-lady-layton-news.448280/
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I’ve wanted Layton since Brawl. I only joined Smashboards a few minutes ago and this is the first place I have decided to visit. I hope I can show my support in the next few months until the game comes out, and I will continue support if DLC characters come out.
Oh wow, that's really cool to know. I wonder if he ever pushed for Layton during the ballot days or lowkey asked Sakurai during the invitationals heh...
it is? why?
The courtroom of witch trials.
I'd definitely have that in if Wright were to also get in, but my ideal Layton only stage would be 'Sliding Block Puzzle'. It's a random arrangement of sliding blocks, the top of which all have drop through platforms, and they slide around as the fight progresses.
Oh I see.
That seems to be reoccurring trend with Layton, every time I mention him for Smash people are very receptive of the idea, but most people just seem to forget about him since most of his fan base is either more casual or generally very un-obnoxious about their support.
