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Ive been doing this for a while, but never really did it to the extent you showed it off at. I even uploaded something on it when I first learned about it https://youtu.be/XSF-x_jtBTs, and I made a combo video a few weeks ago that had two tether cancel edgeguards, one with bair, one with the reverse hitbox of fair https://youtu.be/nTXkPMz3-u4.
I hate to be that guy (actually loves to be that guy), but those weren't C4s. A C4 is when you z drop it as you land on the ground and it gets placed there without exploding. You can also do it just as rising/falling thorugh a platform, and there are probably also some other methods I'm forgetting. What you were doing is instant z drop (z dropping without zair coming out), so I guess this is like izac but being airborne before you start it... aerial/airborne instant z drop aerial catch... aizac? I imagine that being pronounced the same, or really similar, to izac though, so maybe someone else can think up a better name.
Aight, I've seen it called C4 in another video but that makes more sense I'll refer to it as instant Z drop then. And also, "z dropping without fair coming out"?
I'm a grammar nazi lol. So you mean zair then
Yeah, I meant zair lol. Karma for being a smart ass I suppose lmao.Aight, I've seen it called C4 in another video but that makes more sense I'll refer to it as instant Z drop then. And also, "z dropping without fair coming out"?
Its a zac
its what izac is built upon
But isn't zac regular z drop, so zair still comes out?Its a zac
Theres obviously alot of misinformation and misunderstandings going around. But no thats just a regular zdrop, you said it yourself, Wut XD
Yeah, but when you use an aerial and z drop it, zair doesn't come out... so it's an instant z drop... so it's aizac... right?
That would just fall under 'z-drop'.
Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Cool new avatar btw.
Tink's face on the last frame lmao
I've got several things to say, but they all come from different perspecives.
Good video, some really creative stuff there... but I have one major issue. Filters. You definitely didn't use them all too much, but I can tell that if you were good enough at editing, you would do 'super editing', as I like to call it. This is basically when people throw so many unnecessary filters, zooms/pans, and other editing tricks that is becomes less of a smash highlight video, and more of a editing highlight video. Idk if it's just me, but I hate it when I see this, it's just one more reason I prefer melee combo videos to sm4sh combo videos (the other being melee is advanced af and sm4sh is tr4sh rofl xDDD)
After having only just been told to use a filter, the filter made it kind of difficult to see how much shield was left XD. Oh well.
Yeah, I need to work on that a little and on not going overboard with the lighting effects lol
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Literally just after I made a post complaining about filters and really heavy editing lmao. That timing was too good.
Nice guide, well edited etc.
Very informative and really good editing. You also have a soothing voice too as a side note, lol.
Alright, after watching them a few times, I've found some things to say. Forgive me in advance, I tend to type a lot so this may end up being very long XD
Moobussir
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Honestly I'm also not that familiar with how to use arrows effectively either XD. One of my common ways of using them is basically if I've thrown my boomerang and I need to get another projectile into my opponents space, since bomb isn't fast enough. What I end up doing sometimes a lot is when my opponent is between me and a returning boomerang (Returning Rang, or RR for short, I like that abbreviation XD), I'll shoot an arrow, they get pushed back into RR and I can run in with a JC Up-Smash or grab. My friend Halfy have demonstrated a few useful techniques with them such as using them to assist your approach, like jumping forward and shooting an arrow if your opponent is in the air. Here's a clip of it in action (Watch the red Toon Link: https://youtu.be/21laiOiL70o?t=58s)Thanks for the reply
There's no need to forgive because I didn't see any problem in your huge post XD
I read through it dozen of times and watched my videos before answering. So here I go!
About the JCBT, I'm familiar with the existence of this tech, but didn't use much in the matches. There's something worth working on. The video of My Smash Corner helped me a lot to spot the differences to what I did in the match and what I should do with glide tossing. The JC Up-smash is something that I don't use. Sometimes I run an up smash, without JC'ing. I'll look into it in the lab.
About the projectiles, I agree with you. This is something that I do and it bothers me because it can be done better (with strategy, as you said). Still don't know what I can do to get better with the projectiles, especially the arrows. I don't know how to use them properly. If you have some examples about this strategic use of projectiles that you can point me, I'll be grateful.
The overuse of jabs is a strategy that I develop in the friendlies against Mario and Falco, because they're always in my face and Jab keeps them at bay. I have a bad time against characters with reflectors. Next time I face them, I'll try playing keep-out, as you suggested.
The faster movement that you told me is about not hesitating or there's something else?
I've heard of Hyuga and always search for videos of his Toon Link. I'll rewatch these videos and find something that I can learn from his Toon Link to improve my play.
It was a helpful reply. Thanks!
. The only thing that worries me is if you try to approach with Jab, which can be risky. But again, if it works, and you can find a good usage for it, then keep going XD. In fact, try using D-tilt as well. It's about as fast as Jab and it also knocks opponents away and you have more time to act after. D-tilt to Dash attack is a true combo at lower %'s too. I personally like D-tilt a lot and I like using it to push opponents away who think they can punish my lag from attacks. Using both Jab and D-tilt in the right situations is a good thing. The more options you have, the better
Thanks againHonestly I'm also not that familiar with how to use arrows effectively either XD. One of my common ways of using them is basically if I've thrown my boomerang and I need to get another projectile into my opponents space, since bomb isn't fast enough. What I end up doing sometimes a lot is when my opponent is between me and a returning boomerang (Returning Rang, or RR for short, I like that abbreviation XD), I'll shoot an arrow, they get pushed back into RR and I can run in with a JC Up-Smash or grab. My friend Halfy have demonstrated a few useful techniques with them such as using them to assist your approach, like jumping forward and shooting an arrow if your opponent is in the air. Here's a clip of it in action (Watch the red Toon Link: https://youtu.be/21laiOiL70o?t=58s)
Here's also one of my matches, albeit fairly old, of me finding usage in arrows in the Robin matchup at my local one day. In that entire match I had not used arrows, but at 10:39 I started using them and they were providing some effective pressure. It might give you some ideas for how they can be used: https://youtu.be/a5W3DZOodH0?t=10m37s.
There are a lot of advanced techniques with arrows, such as B-reverse and Wavebounce arrows (Works with boomerang too). My Smash Corner has a video on that as well (https://youtu.be/Vw1elkJwtDo), though I personally don't use them too often, mostly from not practicing them. They are extremely useful however and some of the best uses for arrows.
If Jab works for you in those situations, by all means keep using it. If a strategy works on an opponent, no need to change what works
Part of faster movement is yes, not hesitating, but also moving around intelligently. I think in the clips I shared above, you can see both of us always moving and being in the positions we want to be on the ground. The more you move, the more options you open up for yourself to cover your opponents. And as Toon Link, with bombs and boomerangs to cover so many angles, you can cover a lot of space. Try throwing boomerang out more into your opponents area. Pull out bombs and throw them into your opponents space too. It's a good way to start, by moving around and throwing projectiles in places to interfere with your opponents. And try it on characters who can't reflect, since you're looking to understand the concept before trying to handle difficult opponents like that XD. It's a bit of an abstract concept so I apologize if I'm not describing it properly, let me know if I should reword it or anything.
Another great Toon Link I should mention is Zan. He's one of, if not the most technical high-ranked Toon Link player. He makes great use of B-reverses, Wavebounces, and honestly a master of technicality and fluidity. Here's a video he shared himself and he's damn good in it, especially Game 2. Even his handwarmer is awe-inspiring XD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t2QsX51KR4. Should also mention that the advanced technique, Bomb Fake-Out (BFO) is also his favourite. Look up some tutorials on that, I can't honestly recommend one since I don't use it either XD.
Oh look at that another essay. Whoops LOL. Well hope it was helpful regardless XD
Moobussir
. It was really helpful your essay XD
Glad my essays and the videos could help XD. Pictures are worth 1000 words so videos must be pricelessThanks again
Thanks for the videos. It give me insights about how creative I can be using arrows. About the techniques like wavebounce and B-reverse, I found them useful. Sometimes I use the B-reverse to run away and come back shooting an arrow in the air to the other direction.
D-tilt is a move that I rarely use. It is good in lower percentages because can trip oponents and is a guarranted grab for me. It's a move that's worth trying out more times, as you suggested.
The way you explained about the movement is really insteresting. I was messing around with this concept more by trial and error than other things. And you clarified the reason I was throwing a boomerang and closing the gap between me and my oponent. I'll try messing around more with this cause now I know why I should do this. And it can help me with my autopiloting issues since this movement needs to be done consciously to improve my gameplay. I need to know what I'm doing and why I'm doing this. It will help with my spam without a planning, as you said to me in the other post.
Now its time to work in this issues and come back later with more replays.
Congrats on joining a crew!
Thanks for the feedback! I was honestly pretty lazy on this montage so I definitely used a little too much slomo on the utilt footstool combo. Could've been better but thanks again!
What's sad is that it's not you spamming. It's just the boards being inactive XD
