The Original Midna for Brawl thread. (Debate the Wolf here!)

[Drik Khaail]

Midna would be a good choice. At first, no moves come to mind, but there would be some pretty sweet possibilities for her in brawl.

 

[Black/Light]

Spoiler

Use spoiler tags

. . .ME?
Because what I said would have to be called a micro spoiler and releases nothing about the story.

Spoiler

That she has a different, "true" form.

 

[GenG]

. . .ME?
Because what I said would have to be called a micro spoiler and releases nothing about the story.

But it does. Details about the story or things like

Spoiler

"Tetra has a true form"

or

Spoiler

"Sheik is a person that you may know already"

are spoilers, bits of info that changes the perspective you have about a character, and the whole surprise.

Please, this is the second spoiler I eat from you, be more careful next time. ALL DETAILS SHOULD BE TAGGED, it doesn't take you any time to write both SPOILER and /SPOILER tags.

EDIT: Yeah, the spoiler tags... I used some examples from OOT and WW but better hide them.

 

[<π]

But it does. Details about the story or things like

Spoiler

"Tetra has a true form"

or

Spoiler

"Sheik is a person that you may know already"

are spoilers, bits of info that changes the perspective you have about a character, and the whole surprise.

Fixed.

Heh, no I kid.

 

[Knome]

It seems like a good idea but think abot the throwing moves.....it has me stumped there. other than that she/he(both minda and wolf link) would make great chacters.

 

[<π]

It seems like a good idea but think abot the throwing moves.....it has me stumped there. other than that she/he(both minda and wolf link) would make great chacters.

She has a giant hand on her head, I don't think she'd have any issue throwing anything.

 

[Knome]

She has a giant hand on her head, I don't think she'd have any issue throwing anything.

Well what if they where like the ice climbers.....if Minda dies then what would wolf link do? bite them or dissapier? This gives me headaches....

 

[Eor]

There wouldn't be a wolf

 

[Suska]

I agree, Midna would be a great character addition to the Smash line up. I havent yet finished the game but her character has grown on me.
Btw I think that Midna should be her own character. She doesnt need Wolf Link to help her have moves.

 

[Skler]

Midna is awesome, she can do pretty much anything. Except hit people with her wimpy little arms and legs. But that's what giant hands made of energy on top of heads are for right?

 

[Aminar]

I agree completely, Midna w/ Wolf Link would be awesome. Midna is one of the best characters Ive run across in a video game for a long time. The Moveset isn't hard, A moves are Wolf Bites, the Down b is an Area Attack, the up b Midna Pops off of Wolf Link, and Wolf Link lunges At her. Forward B is a Hand grab. Smashes are powerful bites or Magic, grabbing(with the hand that is hair) works well. I'm all for this combo. I'd have to main Midna if possible.

 

[DarkerCompanion]

I would be very much in favor of Midna being a character im Brawl. I would prefer to see her by herself, and not riding wolf Link. She certainly has potential for moves with her magical arm.

 

[FlipTroopa]

How about Midna replace Zelda's moveset as the transforming character? Not saying axe Zelda as a fighter, but give Midna the whole "transform!" mechanic. She has a humanoid form...

 

[WR3K]

um.... because zelda doesnt transform into midna?

 

[Eor]

um.... because zelda doesnt transform into midna?

That wasn't what he was saying.

 

[xianfeng]

so much for spoiler tags, I am never coming in this thread again or at least not until 20 days. The wii comes out in 8 days here but so does Casino Royale so I'll go see that instead but in 20 days it's my birthday so I will finally have a Wii and hopefully TP.
Until then Midna is neutral for me...

 

[Destruction_King]

I would be very much in favor of Midna being a character im Brawl. I would prefer to see her by herself, and not riding wolf Link. She certainly has potential for moves with her magical arm.

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And a transformation to boot.

I completely agree with you, and believe she should not be with wolf Link. Midna can take care of herself.

 

[Oasis_S]

Ha, I was just thinking about Midna being in Brawl when i stumbled upon this thread. I think it'd be a great idea. Seems like adding a new character from Twilight Princess would be better than just giving Link his Twilight Princess clothes if you were going to promote it and, Midna on Wolf Link's back would be great. I could see Midna doing the B moves and Wolf Link doing most of the A moves...Midna could do most of the smash attacks along with the throws.

 

[Paranoid_Android]

Midna could easily be a stand alone character, or ride wolf link. She definitely has the moves, from Twilight Princess, to be stand-alone. All sorts of shadow magic and a giant hand sticking out of her head, not to mention teleportation, would make for an easy moveset. Then again, Wolf Link kicks ***, and having Midna use all of her moves as well as Wolf Link's, for her A attacks, for instance, since she seems unfit for physical combat, would make an even better character.


A quick example moveset:


A: Bite. Wolf link bites. Tapping A several times causes you to do successive attacks.
>Tilt: Midna uses her hand (on her head) to slap opponent.
>Smash: Wolf Link leaps forward and bites opponent.
^Tilt: Wolf Link rears his head upwards (headbutt)
^Smash: Midna swings her hand from front to top, hit all foes in its path.
\/Tilt: Midna's hand swings around the front of Wolf Link and on the ground, hitting foes infront of and at Link.
\/Smash: Wolf Link does a spin attack sending all foes outwards with his tail. Hit's back first.

^B: Midna and Link warp to whatever direction you tilt as black fragments of shadow magic. These hurt foes caught in their path. (Midna stays solid and hit-able, but is more-or-less defended by Link's particles).
>B: Midna creates a dark-magic projectile (Like the one she uses to break Wolf Link's shackles in your first Twilight encounter.
B: ?????? Can't think of something. I haven't beaten TP yet. I'm sure Midna has some cool magic-based move that can be used here.
\/B: Midna expands Links energy field (B attack in TP). An orange circle expands on the ground. Enemies that touch it are frozen temporarily. When \/B is released, Wolf Link attempts to attack each opponent in the order that they were frozen. Opponents are unfrozen a moment after he begins to attack (the first snared opponent always gets nailed, but subsequent opponents have a chance to escape or shield). If no opponents are snared, Link does an ineffective and time-costing spin attack.

Grab: Link bites onto opponent.
Grab Hit: Link bites opponent while still holding on.
>Throw (forward): Midna grabs (using hand on head) opponent from Link and tosses him/her forward.
<Throw (backward): Link, while holding opponent in mouth, spins and throws opponent backward.
^Throw: Link backflips, hitting opponent upward with his tail.
\/Throw: Midna grabs opponent from Link and pounds him/her against the ground.


Ok, so that wasn't exactly a quick example, but I hope everyone sees how viable a Midna and Wolf Link combo is. I think it's better than Midna by herself since, even though Midna could easily be her own character, being paired with Wolf Link would open up tons of possibilities and bring some variety to the game.

 

[Black/Light]

But it does. Details about the story or things like

Spoiler

"Tetra has a true form"

or

Spoiler

"Sheik is a person that you may know already"

are spoilers, bits of info that changes the perspective you have about a character, and the whole surprise.

Please, this is the second spoiler I eat from you, be more careful next time. ALL DETAILS SHOULD BE TAGGED, it doesn't take you any time to write both SPOILER and /SPOILER tags.

EDIT: Yeah, the spoiler tags... I used some examples from OOT and WW but better hide them.

What did I spoil? You still have not a clue what this "true form" is nor do you know if it's important (I wouldn't say that it's important) from the lil bit I posted.

And what else did I spoil? What, Ganon being in the game? Nintendo said that 2 years ago and they didn't think it was a spoiler seeing as they try their best not to spoil anything about Zelda games so Im sorry if you don't agree with them releasing such news.

 

[Konuk]

it could be like ice climbers like if u separate her and wolf like that would be a challenge

 

[shadenexus18]

I dunno, Midna only has made one appearance so far....

 

[Paranoid_Android]

I dunno, Midna only has made one appearance so far....

... But she's also one of the main characters in one of the new best games ever. Not to mention her moveset writes itself.

 

[Black/Light]

... But she's also one of the main characters in one of the new best games ever. Not to mention her moveset writes itself.

And to add to that she is one of the main characters in the game that is, alone, the Wii's release back bone along with being one of the most wanted games for the newest gen (has also been said to be the greatest system release game ever).

TP is selling Wiis like hot cakes and Midna is the best rep for it. After playing the game I have become 100% sure she will be in brawl (^_^).

 

[Eor]

What did I spoil? You still have not a clue what this "true form" is nor do you know if it's important (I wouldn't say that it's important) from the lil bit I posted.

But it means that people know that there is a true form, instead of it just surprising them.

Like this


"A character dies next episode!"

You don't know what character it is, if it is an important character, or how they die. But you know that it will happen, and you won't be surprised.

 

[Black/Light]

But it means that people know that there is a true form, instead of it just surprising them.

Like this


"A character dies next episode!"

You don't know what character it is, if it is an important character, or how they die. But you know that it will happen, and you won't be surprised.

Funny you used that example. NBC's show "Heroes" says that in the next one one of the heroes will die.
Is that a spoiler? No, you know something powerful is going to happen but your going to be setting on pins trying to find out just who dies and how it happens. Same with this, this game tosses you enuff turns for you to be shocked even if you expect something (because you never really know just what is going to happen ).

 

[GaryCXJk]

Still, you should be careful with spoilers, even if they are light. I mean, saying that

Spoiler

Scott dies

in X3 is still a spoiler, just as saying

Spoiler

Bruce Willis appears to be dead

at the end of the Sixth Sense. Even though the first one isn't much of a revelation (people always wanted it anyway), it's still a spoiler.

 

[<π]

Big spoiler for people who haven't read a dictionary yet

spoiler

1. A remark which reveals important plot elements
from books, movies or games, thus denying the reader (of the article)
the proper suspense when reading the book or watching the
movie or playing the game.

2. Any remark which telegraphs the solution of a problem or
puzzle, thus denying the reader the pleasure of working out
the correct answer (see also interesting). Either sense
readily forms compounds like "total spoiler", "quasi-spoiler"
and even "pseudo-spoiler".[/spoiler]

And that should nip any question in the bud.

Back on subject now folks.

 

[Komayto]

Midna for Brawl? I would love that!

Midna is awesome and she totally deserves to be in. I'm iffy about her being on Wolf Link though. It would look kinda out of place...

...which is a REALLY overused thing to say against a character. Yeah, we have plumbers, electric rats, puffballs, swordsmen and all kinds of other stuff so I would normally be a real jerk to anyone who says that about a character.
But really, a more realistic wolf (y'know, the kind that should fit in with characters like Link, Samus and such.) would probably be pretty hard to pull off in a Smash game without having it look out of place.

Besides, Midna would rock more as her own character anyways. I would love to see her throw the others around with her hair-hand thing.

 

[Black/Light]

I think that Midna and Wolf Link should be together as a Link transformation well

Spoiler

Midna in her true form stays a completely different character. . . alone with no transformation

.

And yes, Midna NEEDS Wolf Link's help. She says so in the game. Thats also the reason she helped him when they first met. Sure, she CAN do alot of things on her own but in her respective game she needs Wolf Link to help her so lil Midna should be on Wolf Link's back in Brawl.

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

Midna could easily be a stand alone character, or ride wolf link. She definitely has the moves, from Twilight Princess, to be stand-alone. All sorts of shadow magic and a giant hand sticking out of her head, not to mention teleportation, would make for an easy moveset. Then again, Wolf Link kicks ***, and having Midna use all of her moves as well as Wolf Link's, for her A attacks, for instance, since she seems unfit for physical combat, would make an even better character.

Just check out my example movesets on page two. I have one for both Solo Midna and Wolf Link/Midna combo.

I think that Midna and Wolf Link should be together as a Link transformation well

Spoiler

Midna in her true form stays a completely different character. . . alone with no transformation

.

And yes, Midna NEEDS Wolf Link's help. She says so in the game. Thats also the reason she helped him when they first met. Sure, she CAN do alot of things on her own but in her respective game she needs Wolf Link to help her so lil Midna should be on Wolf Link's back in Brawl.

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Her other form was in the game for...what....ten minutes at most? And even then, it's only in the credits. Her true form doesn't have enough significance to be considered. She is much more widely known in her Imp form, and, as a result, she should be in her Imp form.

Also, my previous answer (about movesets) also goes to you. I'm happy with her in either Wolf Link/Midna or Solo Midna...but I want her solo.

 

[Black/Light]

Spoiler

Her other form was in the game for...what....ten minutes at most? And even then, it's only in the credits. Her true form doesn't have enough significance to be considered. She is much more widely known in her Imp form, and, as a result, she should be in her Imp form.

.

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Midna is Midna is Midna even with her true form only being in in the last few mins of the game. It was her goal to brake the spell that kept her in imp form and over throw Zant. . .in fact, she wouldn't except the sages calling her the TP well she looked like that.

And not significant enuff for who to consider? Nintendo and Sarukai? Look at Zero suit, she was was very much NOT important yet she was choosen to be in. If she has any importance it only comes from being a important character's "true" self.

Sorry for any misspells, im baking.

 

[<π]

And yes, Midna NEEDS Wolf Link's help. She says so in the game. Thats also the reason she helped him when they first met. Sure, she CAN do alot of things on her own but in her respective game she needs Wolf Link to help her so lil Midna should be on Wolf Link's back in Brawl.

woah woah woah... she doesn't need wolf links anything, she needs link as a whole because he is the chosen one, everything wolf link can do Minda could have done on her own... she's just lazy, and the game makes that clear from the first time Minda is introduced.

Also...

Look at Zero suit, she was was very much NOT important yet she was choosen to be in. If she has any importance it only comes from being a important character's "true" self.

not important? Samus? hah, the goal for most people is to get a perfect run through the game and see samus unmasked, not only this but ZS samus has been playable for a good portion of zero mission. Samus not important... you big crazy guy.

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

not important? Samus? hah, the goal for most people is to get a perfect run through the game and see samus unmasked, not only this but ZS samus has been playable for a good portion of zero mission. Samus not important... you big crazy guy.

Also, let's not forget the "OMG! It's a girl!" factor...

Zero Suit Samus has proven to be important as she reveils just that...she is a SHE!

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Midna's "true" form can't say that. We knew she was a female from the begining. It doesn't change her personality. It doesn't change her powers. It doesn't change her title as the Twilight Princess. All the "true" Midna form shows is what she really looks like. Nothing more, nothing less.


She looks much better as an Imp anyway. MIDNA!

 

[King Axel]

Well, I'm not sure how Midna would function on her own. Then again, I didn't finish Twilight Princess, so I'm not sure if she has some sort of "alternate true form" or something.

And if she does, DON'T TELL ME.

 

[Black/Light]

woah woah woah... she doesn't need wolf links anything, she needs link as a whole because he is the chosen one, everything wolf link can do Minda could have done on her own... she's just lazy, and the game makes that clear from the first time Minda is introduced.

Need I quote Midna in the talk with Zant? She said

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" And to think, the only reason we are here is because of the curse you put on Link".

She wasn't "too lazy" to do it, it was said that a beast would come to the twilt's aid in their time of need and she knew that that was Wolf Link.

Yes, she choose him because he was the choosen. . . but if she didn't "need" his help than there would be do reason for her to rely on the "choosen one". There was a reason she needed Link's help. Like. . . say

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the fact that she can't do anything in the light realm because she is only a shadow there.

There, she couldn't have gotten the fused shadow peaces without his help. Same with the Twilight Mirror peaces.

not important? Samus? hah, the goal for most people is to get a perfect run through the game and see samus unmasked, not only this but ZS samus has been playable for a good portion of zero mission. Samus not important... you big crazy guy.

Look at what I said. . . " If she has any importance it only comes from being a important character's "true" ( Meaning, "unmasked") self."

Is that not what your saying?

 

[Destruction_King]

Need I quote Midna in the talk with Zant? She said

Spoiler

" And to think, the only reason we are here is because of the curse you put on Link".

She wasn't "too lazy" to do it, it was said that a beast would come to the twilt's aid in their time of need and she knew that that was Wolf Link.

Yes, she choose him because he was the choosen. . . but if she didn't "need" his help than there would be do reason for her to rely on the "choosen one". There was a reason she needed Link's help. Like. . . say

Spoiler

the fact that she can't do anything in the light realm because she is only a shadow there.

There, she couldn't have gotten the fused shadow peaces without his help. Same with the Twilight Mirror peaces.

I found a few things wrong with your post.

Spoiler

Midna may not like the light, but she made it clear on two different occasions that she does not need to be a shadow in the light realm.

She says to Link, "Mind if I stay your shadow for a while? The people here may be afraid of me."

Also, the battle with Ganondorf took place in the light world, yet she clearly took a solid form then.


The other thing is, she knew she had to wait for Link (and mentions the curse) because it was said the true hero would arise in the form of a beast. Since Link wasn't transformed into one of those ghosts, and instead became a Wolf, that's how Midna knew the time was right to act. She knew if she was going to take down Zant, she had to do it right, and made the intelligent decision not to do it herself as she'd already been turned into an imp.

Independent Midna for Brawl!

 

[<π]

I'm feeling lazy so I'll let you counter your own points for me.
Also I bolded the main point I was arguing against, apparently spelling it out in the first sentence of my own post wasn't enough...

And yes, Midna NEEDS Wolf Link's help. She says so in the game. Thats also the reason she helped him when they first met. Sure, she CAN do alot of things on her own but in her respective game she needs Wolf Link to help her so lil Midna should be on Wolf Link's back in Brawl.

So your argument here is that Minda need not link's ability but wolf link's in order to complete her goal. If I'm wrong here in assuming this by your post then you should have writen it differently.

Need I quote Midna in the talk with Zant?

No, I'll prove your inital post wrong here.

She said

Spoiler

" And to think, the only reason we are here is because of the curse you put on Link".

She wasn't "too lazy" to do it, it was said

Spoiler

that a beast would come to the twilt's aid in their time of need and she knew that that was Wolf Link.

Up... you did it anyway! Also, you are spoiling valuble story material... silly guy. I fixed it for you in my quote though.

Spoiler

The curse mentioned was the one Zant put on link as he got out of the water temple... that the only curse Zant puts on link in the game. She mentions it because it is this curse that lead to Minda gaining the ability to move freely in the light world and Link's obtaining the master sword. This curse doesn't support you theory that minda needs wolf link but only strengths that she needed link as a whole. (you know the whole power of the blade of light, the master sword, and such.)

Yes, she choose him because he was the choosen. . . but if she didn't "need" his help than there would be do reason for her to rely on the "choosen one". There was a reason she needed Link's help. Like. . . say

Spoiler

the fact that she can't do anything in the light realm because she is only a shadow there.
There, she couldn't have gotten the fused shadow peaces without his help. Same with the Twilight Mirror peaces.

Woah, woah, woah... who said she didn't need him did I? I'll give you one thing though... you are getting my point! She needs him

Spoiler

In the light realm! Not where he doesn't become a wolf... but where her amazing power doesn't exist.

Look at what I said. . . " If she has any importance it only comes from being a important character's "true" ( Meaning, "unmasked") self."

Is that not what your saying?

Talking about samus now? Well no, thats not what I'm saying. First of all samus doesn't wear her suit as a mask, or something to hide herself, it is a tool built to enpower. Second of all, and this was my point, ZS Samus has made a much larger impact on the nintendo gaming comunity

Spoiler

than Minda's true from...

Okay so... summary for the people who don't want to read the spoilers, and this is comfirmed not only by me but Black/Light as well. Minda doesn't need wolf link.

 

[Black/Light]

I found a few things wrong with your post.

Spoiler

Midna may not like the light, but she made it clear on two different occasions that she does not need to be a shadow in the light realm.

Spoiler

No, she was nothing more than a shadow in the light realm BEFORE Zant attacked her. It's kind of confusing IMO because she could only be a shadow before the attack yet after it she almost died as a somewhat solid Midna in the light realm and than became solid after Zelda gave her power. But before than she was only shadow.

She says to Link,

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"Mind if I stay your shadow for a while? The people here may be afraid of me

."

No, she said that because they where in the Twilight Realm where she need not be in his shadow. She just didn't want them to she her like that.

Spoiler

Also, the battle with Ganondorf took place in the light world, yet she clearly took a solid form then

.

Back to my first point.

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W/E happened between Zant's attack and Zelda's healing seemed to have caused that.

Spoiler

The other thing is, she knew she had to wait for Link (and mentions the curse) because it was said the true hero would arise in the form of a beast. Since Link wasn't transformed into one of those ghosts, and instead became a Wolf, that's how Midna knew the time was right to act. She knew if she was going to take down Zant, she had to do it right, and made the intelligent decision not to do it herself as she'd already been turned into an imp

Thats what Im saying. She NEEDED him in the game. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying she can't do ANYTHING without him, Im saying that she needed him.

Independent Midna for Brawl!

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Yeah. . . but in her true form! Imp form with Link

So your argument here is that Minda need not link's ability but wolf link's in order to complete her goal. If I'm wrong here in assuming this by your post then you should have writen it differently.

. . . .What? Yes, Im saying she needed link.

Spoiler

Spoiler

The curse mentioned was the one Zant put on link as he got out of the water temple... that the only curse Zant puts on link in the game. She mentions it because it is this curse that lead to Minda gaining the ability to move freely in the light world and Link's obtaining the master sword. This curse doesn't support you theory that minda needs wolf link but only strengths that she needed link as a whole. (you know the whole power of the blade of light, the master sword, and such.)

Spoiler

I know that that is what was mean't. That was my point, giving Midna the power to transform Link into wolf link and back by the use of the MS and that dark magic help her greatly. Yes, she needed Link as a whole. . . but as a "whole" you have to include Wolf Link in that.

Spoiler

Woah, woah, woah... who said she didn't need him did I? I'll give you one thing though... you are getting my point! She needs him In the light realm! Not where he doesn't become a wolf... but where her amazing power doesn't exist.[/SPOILER

]

. . . What are we arguing? I said that to prove that she needs Links help in the game. . .thats all. I really didn't think we would go into a Wolf Link/ Reg Link thing seeing as Link is Link is Link in my mind at least. Sorry if you thought that I sounded as if I put Wolf Link in one place and reg Link in another because I just see them both as what they are. . . Link.

Talking about samus now? Well no, thats not what I'm saying. First of all samus doesn't wear her suit as a mask, or something to hide herself, it is a tool built to enpower. Second of all, and this was my point, ZS Samus has made a much larger impact on the nintendo gaming comunity than

Spoiler

Minda's true from

...

1) The masked comment was started by YOU! "the goal for most people is to get a perfect run through the game and see samus unmasked". Thats the comment I was replying to

2) Say what you want but we all know that Zero was a big shock because NO ONE expected her seeing as most people wanted w/e other suit she has in.

3) I don't like to argue what the divs (people that I have no way of knowing when it comes to mind states) think is important enuff for this game. We got a shocker like Zero because Sarukai wanted more females in and Doc was chosen for melee because he liked the game he was in. I don't see any reason for him not to choose

Spoiler

Midna's true form

but I have no idea how he chooses characters to begin with.

Okay so... summary for the people who don't want to read the spoilers, and this is comfirmed not only by me but Black/Light as well. Minda doesn't need wolf link.

She needs Link and Link is Link is Link. And the beast was in her peoples old saying so (may add to when I get home).

 

[Zodiac]

Those of you who know what Midna really looks like, you know she's a perfect addition for brawl!

If you havn't beaten twilight princess, don't read this ....

Spoiler

After the game when Midna transforms back into herself, she looks awesome no? wouldn't it be great that form of her was put into brawl?

another, if you've gotten at least close to beating the game, you know Midna as she is through most of the game has

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Immense powers herself, like seriously frightening.

Also

Spoiler

Midna stays in the light realm just fine after she gets turned back into her true form. and for a while, at least however long it would take them to travel all the way to the edge of the gruedo desert, which Is about two days, assuming she didn't