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Smash Lord
Welcome to the Official Antagonist/Villain/Rival thread! Where you can discuss all the possibilities of new villains/rivals/antagonists to make their debut to Brawl!!!
NOTE: I AM TALKING ABOUT PC's MOSTLY. They could appear as other parts of the game.
Also, this villains/antagonists/rivals should be atleast main to semi-main characters of their gaming series. No Goombas, Koopas, Polar Bears, because these characters will most likely become Assist Trophies. The villains/antagonists/Rivals must have some significance.
Let's recap who we have so far:
1.) Bowser--Mario's long time enemy returns after his debut in Melee. He still seems to be the powerful and slow force he was. One new ability he has is that he can now take his Giga-Bowser form, transforming into any character's worst nightmare, not just Mario's. Bowser has been the main Mario enemy in most of the games in the Super Mario series.
2.) MetaKnight--Kirby will no longer be the lone representative of series now that his rival MetaKnight has joined the brawl. He looks quick with his sword and from some video it appears that he will use his dimensional cape to camoflauge and protect himself from attacks. He will also be able to glide along with Charizard and Pit. He is a fan favorite and a welcomed site to SSBB.
3.) King Dedede--The Kirby series is well represented now that the King of Dream Land has arrived. He is another power character with a very unique jumping ability and his hammer backs more than just a punch. Sadly, his appearance deconfirms Waddle Dee, Doo and Gordo, for they are part of his moveset. King Dedede was the highest on Sakurai's poll.
4.) Wario--After much hope for him in Melee, he now makes his debut in Brawl. However, he will not be a representative of Mario games but rather his own, the Wario Wear series. His moveset includes a motorcycle and his farting power, making him VERY unqiue as well as ill-mannered. His Final Smash is unknown at this time.
The Possibilites???
1.) Ganondorf
He was introduced in Melee with over-whelming success. He is the main villain in many of the Legend of Zelda games. His return is very likely and he will be de-cloned and made to look like his appearance in the Twilight Princess. Hopefully, he will have his sword maybe some dark magic. He will most likely have his tremendous strength back.
Chances of Return: Over 92%.
2.) MewTwo
He was a secret character in Melee and I kind of found him somewhat awkward, but nonetheless, he was there. From what I've viewed in most cartoons, MewTwo is not a very nice pokemon. But with Pikachu headling the series and the introduction of the Pokemon Trainer that includes 3 pokemon, plus the call for other pokemon, such as Lucarino and such, it could hinder his chances of return. He does have a strong fan base, but I'm not too sure how he fits in with Nintendo's plans...
Chance of Return: Over 82%.
3.) Bowser Jr.
Bowser Jr. was first introduced in Super Mario Sunshine as the main villain. He is the spawn of the infamous Bowser, but I don't think he has the great a chance. Of course he won't be a clone, but the Mario series already has 3 reps (Mario, Peach and Bowser), plus its more likely that Luigi will return. So 4 spots filled and I can't imagine anymore than 5 reps for the Mario series, so its Bowser Jr vs. Geno. Let the debate begin. Geno does have an extraordinary command.
Chance of Debut: 65%, under 50% if Geno appears.
4.) Ridley
With King Dedede confirmed, Ridley might be the most anticipated character on this board. He would give the Metroid series some seriously needed representation and he is good enough to be in Brawl, as the Official Ridley Thread has debunked all myths to otherwise. He is a cross between a mantis, pteradactyl and a dragon. He is an infamous space pirate that has been blow to bits by Samus Aran time and time again. There is reason to believe Ridley could be a boss character in SSBB because of some of the music samples posted on Dojo, but I'm confident he will fill the PC role. After all, we can't have just 2 versions of Samus as the lone Metroid reps, right?
Chance of Debut: 70%.
5.) The Black Knight
While many love the physical appearance of the Black Knight, myself included, he does not play an essential role as some of the protagonists, like Marth, Hector, Miaciaha and so forth. He could be an excellent boss battle with Ike. He is a unqie character in terms of his back story, but I think Marth and Miaciaha have a better shot at this time.
Chance of Debut: 45%.
6.) King K. Rool
Many feel that King K. Rool doesn't stand a chance. I'm 50-50 on the guy personally. Let's look at him. He's a major antagonist in almost all, if not all of the Donkey Kong series game. Physically, he's a big fat crocidile and I don't see much muscle on him. However he does have an assortment of vehicles that could be to his advantage. But the problem lies in the fact that he really not that original, especially if Ridley makes the roster. He could still fit in as a boss or part of the story, but not a PC. THEN AGAIN, he could be playable because who said that just because you're part of the subspace story makes you an unplayable character?
Chances of Debut: Up now that more villains are getting in..65%.
7.) Wolf O'Donnell
I'm a fan of Wolf, but even I don't see much happening here. Fox is confirmed and I'm thinking maybe 2 other spots remain for reps. 1 will probably go to Krystal. She is female and with a bow-staff could provided a unique fighting style. Plus her large fan base could help her. Then it's between Falco and Wolf. Falco is a pretty big character in the Star Wolf series, but he must de-cloned to reappear. Much like K. Rool, Wolf may not bring any significant originality to the Brawl Roster. He is a main rival of Fox, but will that be enough to win him a spot? There has been a resurgence in his popularity since the Fox alt. costume rumor, but luckily that was squashed faster than my self esteem. I think this is a tough one, hanging on who the next Star Fox rep. to be confirmed is.
Chance of Debut: Maximum 60%. If Krystall appears, 50%. And If Falco returns, under 45%.
8.) Black Shadow
I doubt it. LOL. Although the F-Zero series needs reps, Black Shadow is not the answer. More likely another good guy racer will be debuted for Black Shadow. If he were in the game, he'd have to have his ownn unique moveset obviously, and Blood Falcon could be an AT. It's possible, but I got a feeling Capt. Falcon may be alone once more.
Chance of Debut: Under 50%.
9.) Waluigi
Please stop with Waluigi. He's an assist trophy at best. Now watch, he'll become playable now that I said that. He is unoriginal much like Wolf and K. Rool and he isn't that significant.
Chances of Debut: Under 35%.
10.) Shadow the Hedgehog
A good point had been made about Shadow by ElvishSpirit. Since Sonic is appearing in Mario games (Mario and Sonic at the Olympics, SSBB), this could give some hope to Shadow lovers. But it is still hard to over come the demand of Mega-Man, Pac-Man, Geno, Ray-Man and others, who are deserving of a spot for 3rd party characters. While his chances have increased, I feel that increase is for the future and not the present. Shadow does fit into the rival, or even anti-hero label, and he would some incredible move sets and Final Smash Ideas, maybe in SSB4.
Chances of Debut: 30% and dropping once another 3rd part character is announced.
11.) Claus
He's probably one of the most talked about characters from the Earthbound/Mother gaming series since the news that Lucas had been confirmed. I personally, have almost no knowledge of Claus. He does add to the villain total, which is cool, but the real plus is that after viewing Sakurai's poll, I see him and thus think the Sakurai would add more characters to rep. Mother series. His chances have increased because of Lucas and with Ness not comfirmed yet, both could join and provide a solid rep. lst for the series.
Chance of Debut: 65-75%.
12.) ManBearPig
CLEARLY THE MOST DESERVING CHARACTER OF ALL! With the South Park series clearly in need of representation, who better? His final smash could be:
1.) Stops play and have the characters debate...Mario: He's-a half-a bearman, half-a piggy. Pikachu (english accent): Well, actually sir believe that is quite impossible, for he is obviously half-pigman, half bear. Snake: You guys are dumb. He's half man, half pig, half bear. OR...
2.) Causes a 2 minute clip of Al Gore winning the Nobel Prize to come up on screen. All opponnets get blasted off the screen instantly.
Chances of Debut: 100%...(after vicious reality check: he has the same chances as a snowcone in Phoenix, but come on it's funny)
13.) Jack/Wisp (Jack Pictured)
I don't know alot about Animal crossing other than the stages and Assist Trophies in Brawl. But I can tell you this with confidence that until a hero or protagonist like character from Animal Crossing is brought forth, "Bad guys" such as Jack and Wisp will not be there. The more I look at the series, all I see are Assist Trophies, and no I'm not "hating" on the series, BUT right now I don't see many hero like players other than maybe Tom Nook and KK Slider. But until a main protagonist is confirmed, no "bad guys" for this series. And even if a good guy is there, we still might not get more than one AC rep. In the past, the good guys have seem to debut first, then their enemies and such.
Chances of Debut: Under 25%.
14.) Dark Samus
I've got a bad feeling about this one. Dark Samus has appeared in a few games I believe, most notably Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. While this is a female, villain, something we do not have, this is also a 3rd form of Samus. With Samus and Zamus in place, I would not be surprised to see Dark Samus as an alt. costume, but that still would not deconfirm her as much as Ridley or Kraid would. The Metroid games need more original representation and someone other than Samus...in any form. While I respect this may be a fan favorite, Dark Samus may not have as high chances as we think.
Chances of Debut: 45%, but should Ridley appear, I'm not sure maybe 35%.
15. Robotnik/Eggman
I'm kind of mad at myself for leaving him out. Dr. Robotnik is the arch enemy of Sonic the Hedgehog. He started off with roboticizing Mobians and chasing down chaos emeralds, but Sonic has foiled him everytime. He's tried various forms of robot sonics to stop the blue blur, but has no success. His chances are better than Shadows off making it into Brawl, but I doubt he'll be there. He'll probably end up a boss character at best. Nintendo will probably hand out the 3rd party character spots to Geno or Mega-Man before Robotnik, but not to see him at all in SSBB with Sonic making a debut would be surprising.
Chances of Debut: As a playable character, 40%, as a boss over 50%.
16. Vaati
Now this is a character I have high hopes for. Vaati is a sorcerer in the Legend of Zelda: Four Swords, The Minish Cap, and Four Sword Adventures. He has the ability to transform into an awesome demonic beast creature and use other magic type powers. He might be a nice chance to the projectile, sword and projectile type characters. He would be very unique as far his move set. I've got high hopes for him, but that doesn't mean he's in. Ganondorf is most likely coming back and if Sheik and a young link/ww link return, we might not get a new zelda rep.
Chances of debut: 55%.
17. In the Editing Process
Well, that's all I've got for now. Feel Free to debate on which Villains/Rivals/Antagonists are likely or unlikely.
NOTE: I AM TALKING ABOUT PC's MOSTLY. They could appear as other parts of the game.
Also, this villains/antagonists/rivals should be atleast main to semi-main characters of their gaming series. No Goombas, Koopas, Polar Bears, because these characters will most likely become Assist Trophies. The villains/antagonists/Rivals must have some significance.
Let's recap who we have so far:
1.) Bowser--Mario's long time enemy returns after his debut in Melee. He still seems to be the powerful and slow force he was. One new ability he has is that he can now take his Giga-Bowser form, transforming into any character's worst nightmare, not just Mario's. Bowser has been the main Mario enemy in most of the games in the Super Mario series.
2.) MetaKnight--Kirby will no longer be the lone representative of series now that his rival MetaKnight has joined the brawl. He looks quick with his sword and from some video it appears that he will use his dimensional cape to camoflauge and protect himself from attacks. He will also be able to glide along with Charizard and Pit. He is a fan favorite and a welcomed site to SSBB.
3.) King Dedede--The Kirby series is well represented now that the King of Dream Land has arrived. He is another power character with a very unique jumping ability and his hammer backs more than just a punch. Sadly, his appearance deconfirms Waddle Dee, Doo and Gordo, for they are part of his moveset. King Dedede was the highest on Sakurai's poll.
4.) Wario--After much hope for him in Melee, he now makes his debut in Brawl. However, he will not be a representative of Mario games but rather his own, the Wario Wear series. His moveset includes a motorcycle and his farting power, making him VERY unqiue as well as ill-mannered. His Final Smash is unknown at this time.
The Possibilites???
1.) Ganondorf
He was introduced in Melee with over-whelming success. He is the main villain in many of the Legend of Zelda games. His return is very likely and he will be de-cloned and made to look like his appearance in the Twilight Princess. Hopefully, he will have his sword maybe some dark magic. He will most likely have his tremendous strength back.
Chances of Return: Over 92%.
2.) MewTwo
He was a secret character in Melee and I kind of found him somewhat awkward, but nonetheless, he was there. From what I've viewed in most cartoons, MewTwo is not a very nice pokemon. But with Pikachu headling the series and the introduction of the Pokemon Trainer that includes 3 pokemon, plus the call for other pokemon, such as Lucarino and such, it could hinder his chances of return. He does have a strong fan base, but I'm not too sure how he fits in with Nintendo's plans...
Chance of Return: Over 82%.
3.) Bowser Jr.
Bowser Jr. was first introduced in Super Mario Sunshine as the main villain. He is the spawn of the infamous Bowser, but I don't think he has the great a chance. Of course he won't be a clone, but the Mario series already has 3 reps (Mario, Peach and Bowser), plus its more likely that Luigi will return. So 4 spots filled and I can't imagine anymore than 5 reps for the Mario series, so its Bowser Jr vs. Geno. Let the debate begin. Geno does have an extraordinary command.
Chance of Debut: 65%, under 50% if Geno appears.
4.) Ridley
With King Dedede confirmed, Ridley might be the most anticipated character on this board. He would give the Metroid series some seriously needed representation and he is good enough to be in Brawl, as the Official Ridley Thread has debunked all myths to otherwise. He is a cross between a mantis, pteradactyl and a dragon. He is an infamous space pirate that has been blow to bits by Samus Aran time and time again. There is reason to believe Ridley could be a boss character in SSBB because of some of the music samples posted on Dojo, but I'm confident he will fill the PC role. After all, we can't have just 2 versions of Samus as the lone Metroid reps, right?
Chance of Debut: 70%.
5.) The Black Knight
While many love the physical appearance of the Black Knight, myself included, he does not play an essential role as some of the protagonists, like Marth, Hector, Miaciaha and so forth. He could be an excellent boss battle with Ike. He is a unqie character in terms of his back story, but I think Marth and Miaciaha have a better shot at this time.
Chance of Debut: 45%.
6.) King K. Rool
Many feel that King K. Rool doesn't stand a chance. I'm 50-50 on the guy personally. Let's look at him. He's a major antagonist in almost all, if not all of the Donkey Kong series game. Physically, he's a big fat crocidile and I don't see much muscle on him. However he does have an assortment of vehicles that could be to his advantage. But the problem lies in the fact that he really not that original, especially if Ridley makes the roster. He could still fit in as a boss or part of the story, but not a PC. THEN AGAIN, he could be playable because who said that just because you're part of the subspace story makes you an unplayable character?
Chances of Debut: Up now that more villains are getting in..65%.
7.) Wolf O'Donnell
I'm a fan of Wolf, but even I don't see much happening here. Fox is confirmed and I'm thinking maybe 2 other spots remain for reps. 1 will probably go to Krystal. She is female and with a bow-staff could provided a unique fighting style. Plus her large fan base could help her. Then it's between Falco and Wolf. Falco is a pretty big character in the Star Wolf series, but he must de-cloned to reappear. Much like K. Rool, Wolf may not bring any significant originality to the Brawl Roster. He is a main rival of Fox, but will that be enough to win him a spot? There has been a resurgence in his popularity since the Fox alt. costume rumor, but luckily that was squashed faster than my self esteem. I think this is a tough one, hanging on who the next Star Fox rep. to be confirmed is.
Chance of Debut: Maximum 60%. If Krystall appears, 50%. And If Falco returns, under 45%.
8.) Black Shadow
I doubt it. LOL. Although the F-Zero series needs reps, Black Shadow is not the answer. More likely another good guy racer will be debuted for Black Shadow. If he were in the game, he'd have to have his ownn unique moveset obviously, and Blood Falcon could be an AT. It's possible, but I got a feeling Capt. Falcon may be alone once more.
Chance of Debut: Under 50%.
9.) Waluigi
Please stop with Waluigi. He's an assist trophy at best. Now watch, he'll become playable now that I said that. He is unoriginal much like Wolf and K. Rool and he isn't that significant.
Chances of Debut: Under 35%.
10.) Shadow the Hedgehog
A good point had been made about Shadow by ElvishSpirit. Since Sonic is appearing in Mario games (Mario and Sonic at the Olympics, SSBB), this could give some hope to Shadow lovers. But it is still hard to over come the demand of Mega-Man, Pac-Man, Geno, Ray-Man and others, who are deserving of a spot for 3rd party characters. While his chances have increased, I feel that increase is for the future and not the present. Shadow does fit into the rival, or even anti-hero label, and he would some incredible move sets and Final Smash Ideas, maybe in SSB4.
Chances of Debut: 30% and dropping once another 3rd part character is announced.
11.) Claus
He's probably one of the most talked about characters from the Earthbound/Mother gaming series since the news that Lucas had been confirmed. I personally, have almost no knowledge of Claus. He does add to the villain total, which is cool, but the real plus is that after viewing Sakurai's poll, I see him and thus think the Sakurai would add more characters to rep. Mother series. His chances have increased because of Lucas and with Ness not comfirmed yet, both could join and provide a solid rep. lst for the series.
Chance of Debut: 65-75%.
12.) ManBearPig
CLEARLY THE MOST DESERVING CHARACTER OF ALL! With the South Park series clearly in need of representation, who better? His final smash could be:
1.) Stops play and have the characters debate...Mario: He's-a half-a bearman, half-a piggy. Pikachu (english accent): Well, actually sir believe that is quite impossible, for he is obviously half-pigman, half bear. Snake: You guys are dumb. He's half man, half pig, half bear. OR...
2.) Causes a 2 minute clip of Al Gore winning the Nobel Prize to come up on screen. All opponnets get blasted off the screen instantly.
Chances of Debut: 100%...(after vicious reality check: he has the same chances as a snowcone in Phoenix, but come on it's funny)
13.) Jack/Wisp (Jack Pictured)
I don't know alot about Animal crossing other than the stages and Assist Trophies in Brawl. But I can tell you this with confidence that until a hero or protagonist like character from Animal Crossing is brought forth, "Bad guys" such as Jack and Wisp will not be there. The more I look at the series, all I see are Assist Trophies, and no I'm not "hating" on the series, BUT right now I don't see many hero like players other than maybe Tom Nook and KK Slider. But until a main protagonist is confirmed, no "bad guys" for this series. And even if a good guy is there, we still might not get more than one AC rep. In the past, the good guys have seem to debut first, then their enemies and such.
Chances of Debut: Under 25%.
14.) Dark Samus
I've got a bad feeling about this one. Dark Samus has appeared in a few games I believe, most notably Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. While this is a female, villain, something we do not have, this is also a 3rd form of Samus. With Samus and Zamus in place, I would not be surprised to see Dark Samus as an alt. costume, but that still would not deconfirm her as much as Ridley or Kraid would. The Metroid games need more original representation and someone other than Samus...in any form. While I respect this may be a fan favorite, Dark Samus may not have as high chances as we think.
Chances of Debut: 45%, but should Ridley appear, I'm not sure maybe 35%.
15. Robotnik/Eggman
I'm kind of mad at myself for leaving him out. Dr. Robotnik is the arch enemy of Sonic the Hedgehog. He started off with roboticizing Mobians and chasing down chaos emeralds, but Sonic has foiled him everytime. He's tried various forms of robot sonics to stop the blue blur, but has no success. His chances are better than Shadows off making it into Brawl, but I doubt he'll be there. He'll probably end up a boss character at best. Nintendo will probably hand out the 3rd party character spots to Geno or Mega-Man before Robotnik, but not to see him at all in SSBB with Sonic making a debut would be surprising.
Chances of Debut: As a playable character, 40%, as a boss over 50%.
16. Vaati
Now this is a character I have high hopes for. Vaati is a sorcerer in the Legend of Zelda: Four Swords, The Minish Cap, and Four Sword Adventures. He has the ability to transform into an awesome demonic beast creature and use other magic type powers. He might be a nice chance to the projectile, sword and projectile type characters. He would be very unique as far his move set. I've got high hopes for him, but that doesn't mean he's in. Ganondorf is most likely coming back and if Sheik and a young link/ww link return, we might not get a new zelda rep.
Chances of debut: 55%.
17. In the Editing Process
Well, that's all I've got for now. Feel Free to debate on which Villains/Rivals/Antagonists are likely or unlikely.
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