The Official SBR Brawl Tier List v1.0

[gantrain05]

i like the tier list, cuz it shows how badly i can super **** a high tier character like DDD with my "crappy" fox, this list is just gonna make me look so much better lmao.

oh and adumbrodeous, dude, ness and mario kick ***, mario does pretty **** good against alot of the high tier characters and ness just completely ***** DK and i'd say goes even with G&W.

 

[AntiPyroShyGuy]

lol what happened? I stop playing for a while and all of a sudden pit is high, then TL is mid, I mean wasn't everyone recently saying they were god tier?

 

[gantrain05]

lol what happened? I stop playing for a while and all of a sudden pit is high, then TL is mid, I mean wasn't everyone recently saying they were god tier?

nope, neither of them apparently is all that great, although i think they actually have potential, but they just arent placing in tournies.

 

[OlimarFan]

lol what happened? I stop playing for a while and all of a sudden pit is high, then TL is mid, I mean wasn't everyone recently saying they were god tier?

Pit=God tier?

 

[Roihu]

Yeah I see that... I'm a horrible horrible person who just asked a simple question because he couldn't be bothered to look at anything past the first page. And had it been asked about 100 times all read it should have been edited in to the first post to stop people from asking the stupid question in the first place.

I just don't know how I will live with this heinous guilt of making somebody cry over the Internet!

And here I was thinking that a Tier list just for accuracy's sake would maybe, just maybe have the individual pokemon listed despite the stamina, and being forced to switch out so that people would know where they stand as individuals.

Preparing to get flamed in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

It seems sarcasm can't be expressed over the internet.
Anyways, if you had done the slightest research, you would have known that. And the only reason I said that was because a guy posted he didn't want to see another post asking that just a couple posts before yours and you did the exact same thing. Did you do it on purpose?

 

[OlimarFan]

It seems sarcasm can't be expressed over the internet.
Anyways, if you had done the slightest research, you would have known that. And the only reason I said that was because a guy posted he didn't want to see another post asking that just a couple posts before yours and you did the exact same thing. Did you do it on purpose?

I don't think he did it on purpose. I actually thought that Zinc was just playing around.

 

[Mighty_mo76]

Guys, I don't main Cpt. Falcon, nor do I care at all about him, but why is he at the very bottom. Just curious.

Is there something everyone knows that I don't about Cpt. Falcon.?

 

[gantrain05]

I think you are wrong and I agree with this tier list. My argument against Mario was maybe 10 pages back, and Ness and Lucas are easily gimpable, and have no range really, just good priority on some moves. They're also very light.

ness and lucas are not really all that gimpable, thier second jump combined with B-sticking fancy pants arial maneuvers actually make they pretty hard to predict, and not only do they have good priority on most of their attacks, they can rack up damage very quick and have many choices for kill moves.

 

[Roihu]

I don't think he did it on purpose. I actually thought that Zinc was just playing around.

He was, but it was still funny seeing that post 2 posts after he said it.

 

[MasterCheeze]

Hm. I thought Lucas and Ness might be a little higher, but I'm still glad that Pikachu and DK are high up there. I'm just a little confused by Ness and Lucas and a little disappointed by Link and Mario.

 

[killori]

Good except what's so good about Dedede and CF and Ganon should switch places

 

[Zinc Elemental]

I don't think he did it on purpose. I actually thought that Zinc was just playing around.

I said it as a joke, but man did SaberPichu ever had bad timing...

 

[DSM01]

Great job to everyone in the Smash community for compiling this tier list! I'm pleasantly surprised that Falco placed so high, and I did expect Marth to drop out of the top tier. I also notice that you neglected to add a bottom tier, which is interesting to say the least.

 

[OlimarFan]

He was, but it was still funny seeing that post 2 posts after he said it.

I said it as a joke, but man did SaberPichu ever had bad timing...

 

[---]

I see a lot of difference compared to Melee's Tier list, I think it was pretty well made. But I just think that Squritle, Ivysaur, and Charizard should have there own tiers and metagame.

 

[Puddin]

Guys, I don't main Cpt. Falcon, nor do I care at all about him, but why is he at the very bottom. Just curious.

Is there something everyone knows that I don't about Cpt. Falcon.?

Maybe it's that he never places well in tournaments and has little to no good matchups?

 

[Mush head]

dude...it's not wrong that DK's high.
good DK's are so hard to beat...

lol truth... I learned that the hard way when I was beaten by a really good DK player with Bowser. DK is made of win among characters in his weight class.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

lol truth... I learned that the hard way when I was beaten by a really good DK player with Bowser. DK is made of win among characters in his weight class.

minus ROB, DDD and snake right?

 

[Mush head]

Well, maybe those characters he has trouble with, but he is an anti-Snake character though... Yeah, I would think so against Snake.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Well, maybe those characters he has trouble with, but he is an anti-Snake character though... Yeah, I would think so against Snake.

in one v. one against snake... but not better than snake overall I mean....

really actually, that would make him average in his weight class... since ROB, Snake and DDD are better and only Bowser, Ganondorf and Yoshi are lower

 

[gantrain05]

minus ROB, DDD and snake right?

no, honestly i'd put DK up there with those 3, he's got probably just as many good matchups as DDD, cant say much about ROB, except for the fact i've actually never played a ROB that has given me too much trouble, and im a peach main, so, thats not saying much for the robot.

 

[Mush head]

Yoshi is a heavy??? I thought that he was more mid weight... Speaking of Yoshi, I'm really confused about Yoshi being a low tier because I have seen a number of really good Yoshis in tourneys. I would list my reasons why for my opinion, but it's late for me right now and I'm just too lazy to post it... >_<

 

[Red Arremer]

Yoshi is a heavy??? I thought that he was more mid weight... Speaking of Yoshi, I'm really confused about Yoshi being a low tier because I have seen a number of really good Yoshis in tourneys. I would list my reasons why for my opinion, but it's late for me right now and I'm just too lazy to post it... >_<

How many times will we hear that?

 

[Doodx]

But R0y haz F1Re!

ye he shuds be t0p tierzzz lol

i must admit it is realy good although i got a bit shocked with ness and lucas in bottom

 

[Spin-Dash]

I see a lot of difference compared to Melee's Tier list, I think it was pretty well made. But I just think that Squritle, Ivysaur, and Charizard should have there own tiers and metagame.

I thought that too, before I realized that Pokémon Trainer is the most difficult character to moniter in terms of single Pokémon performance. You aren't going to win a tournament using just ONE Pokémon alone (unless you're like, Jeebus and never die). So it's difficult to determine one Pokémon's performance in a tournament that could prove a viable stat for it's overall placing on the tier list.

If it weren't necessary to switch Pokémon, then they would very well be having their own placings on the tier list (Charizard being the top of them; Rock Smash is too scary good).

Maybe in the next version and if we can better determine the match-ups of one Pokémon alone against the others (it may take a while), then they'll have their own placings.

I disagree with P.Trainer being in low tier, but who says that everything is perfect~?

Debates ftw and whatnot! Liking this list. I'm surprised that Sonic didn't get the "bottom" of the bottom. XD

 

[adumbrodeus]

I thought that too, before I realized that Pokémon Trainer is the most difficult character to moniter in terms of single Pokémon performance. You aren't going to win a tournament using just ONE Pokémon alone (unless you're like, Jeebus and never die). So it's difficult to determine one Pokémon's performance in a tournament that could prove a viable stat for it's overall placing on the tier list.

If it weren't necessary to switch Pokémon, then they would very well be having their own placings on the tier list (Charizard being the top of them; Rock Smash is too scary good).

Maybe in the next version and if we can better determine the match-ups of one Pokémon alone against the others (it may take a while), then they'll have their own placings.

I disagree with P.Trainer being in low tier, but who says that everything is perfect~?

Debates ftw and whatnot! Liking this list. I'm surprised that Sonic didn't get the "bottom" of the bottom. XD

Actually, when you die you basically get to switch for free. Haven't tried switching twice in a row, but I know if you do it once the invulnerability frames still hold.

The biggest issue is actually stamina.

 

[Spin-Dash]

My mistake, I completely forgot about the stamina; but forced to switch to another Pokémon AND the stamina factor are both to blame for P.Trainer remaining as a single character on the Tier List.

However, if people REALLY wanted to try, they could always add Stamina into the equation of overtime efficiency even with growing weaker, to see which ones last better/longer against the other characters that aren't flawed.

Time will tell, to say the least. Hurts their placing on the list, but it's a possibility.

 

[typh]

If you switch twice after a death you will get hit.

I don't even know why there would even be a discussion on seperate pokemon considering no one has or ever will play PT like that.

 

[Face124]

I don't understand why zelda and shiek are judged differently but then pokemon trainer isn't.

 

[typh]

You aren't FORCED to switch to Zelda or Sheik.

You want to play with one pokemon only? Enjoy your decreased knockback and damage after about a minute into the match, making your pokemon useless, and needing two times as many moves to kill an opponent. You HAVE TO switch when you die. Switching twice leaves you open to a free attack.

etc. etc. etc.

if we're looking at a tier list as a list of characters arranged in a hypothetical 3 stock 1v1 tournament scenario, we're looking at the situation i explained above.

if we're looking at it as a list of characters arranged in fantasy land where you can only play one pokemon and they never get fatigued, that's a different story. but that's not what the tier list is about.

 

[metaXzero]

Some1 update the OP and say PT can't be judged as seperate characters due to the stamina and forced switching after death. I'm tired of these stupid "Why aren't PT Pokemon divided in the tier list" posts.

 

[PrinceMarthX]

Yoshi is a heavy??? I thought that he was more mid weight... Speaking of Yoshi, I'm really confused about Yoshi being a low tier because I have seen a number of really good Yoshis in tourneys. I would list my reasons why for my opinion, but it's late for me right now and I'm just too lazy to post it... >_<

Yoshi could be considered heaviest of the middle weights or lightest of the heavy weights, depending on the cut off for each.

 

[Puddin]

Some1 update the OP and say PT can't be judged as seperate characters due to the stamina and forced switching after death. I'm tired of these stupid "Why aren't PT Pokemon divided in the tier list" posts.

That's why I suggested someone just add the reason they aren't split in their sig and post every new page =\

 

[PKPower]

I was convinced Lucas would be high mid or low high, and Ness being Mid mid. I'm glad Lucas and Ness got low. That way, when us Lucas/Ness mainers own you, it will be even more humiliating.

Also I am glad of this placing because people will automatically underestimate the PK kids. Which is a good thing for tournaments.

Lucas and Ness for bottom tier!

 

[Corigames]

I would list my reasons why for my opinion, but it's late for me right now and I'm just too lazy to post it... >_<

Well just post those tournament results where all those good Yoshi players won.

Go ahead..

oh wait...

 

[Knyaguy]

Some1 update the OP and say PT can't be judged as seperate characters due to the stamina and forced switching after death. I'm tired of these stupid "Why aren't PT Pokemon divided in the tier list" posts.

The Pokemon Trainer board already had a thread about it a while ago...

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

Yeah!

Game & Watch graduated from bottom tier to top tier! He's my best in both Melee and Brawl. I can't believe my main is both a bottom and a top... =D

 

[70el]

I can pretty much agree with that list.

 

[PkTrainerCris]

actually the pokemon can attack out of the pokeball to prevent punishment, but i agree with doing just the PT on the tier list, people who ask why are getting almost as annoying as the yoshi mains asking why is he so low tier

 

[superduper]

This is madness.

For the first time in my life, I'm maining high tiers.