The Official: Anti-sonic Thread (updated 9/13)

[NeoSoul]

(Ironic I just noticed this was on the anniversary of the release of the Dreamcast)

I thought Id bring to light the most dishearted attempt at a gaming franchise. Marketed as a super fast, talking anthromorphized porcupine with 'attitude', sonic, the star of a series that peaked more than 10 years ago, hasen't done anything noteworthy to improve the platforming/sidescrolling genre... GRAPHICS that dwarfed nintendo's NES offerings helped push the sonic franchise with vibrant colors and loop-de-loops (wow!)

Im fully aware that there is a sonic thread, but thats to support/humor the idea of sonic appearing in Brawl to which I fully oppose... Other than being in mediocre games throughout his lifetime (Mediocre in the sense that youre supposed to go from point A to Point B but sonic is just ridiculous :|) and dont even get me started on the 3D efforts... just the Clipping issues alone are enough to frustrate the average gamer, save the crippling story line/dialog/quests etc.... I think the best thing about sonic Adventure was the Chao system and thats not saying much


I was inspired to create this thread when i found this (Read the comments):

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/JACK+of+No+Trades/sonic-vs-mario-fight--43247.phtml

3) Sonic is a third party character. So far the only third party character announced is Snake, and it's been said many times that the only reason this happened is Sakurai's friendship with Kojima. If there are more thrid party characters in Brawl, they will likely also be characters by Sakurai's friends, either Kojima (Boktia, Snatcher, Zone of the Enders), Suda 51 (Killer 7, No More Heroes, Contact, God Hand) or Mikami (Sweet Home, PN 03, Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil, Phoenix Wright) [/SIZE]

My bets for addition third party characters are on Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes), Viewtiful Joe, Vanessa (PN 03) and Phoenix Wright.

4) There is already a Mario and Sonic crossover coming this year. It makes it much less exciting to see Mario and Sonic together is it happens twice in less than a month. It's only exciting because people thought it would never happen. So to have it happen, then happen again a month after? Totally anti-climactic.

and I realized that I wasnt alone. I truly believe the gaming community is putting sonic in a pedestal based on its survival and not its 'efforts' (or lack there of) to improve an aging franchise....

list of things the sonic series rips off:

Mario
any series that included a brooding evil clone
tamagotchi
Dragon ball Z
hell even motherfukcing bugs bunny...

Lets face it you people taht want sonic in are basing it on merit alone, because no 'spindash' ridden move list will change the mind of people who simply know better... He would be boring

and his inclusion in this series is the result of media exposure as Marios timeless rival, which was Segas goal to begin with... He doesnt 'deserve' to be honored by Nintendo, he should in fact be shunnedfor not putting effort forth into making a good game for the sake of the long time standing fans

Sega Does what Nintendon't and thats ruin a proven franchise

sonic is not part of Nintendo History, unless you look at it like mexico being part of US history: We clashed for a while but now what they had is ours.

sonic would not be a major story Mile stone they would have advertised the game differently... way differently, do you really think such an Important part(as much as I disagree, I still recognize) of video game 'history' just deserves 1 slot in a roster of 40+ where he'll play second fiddle to smaller nintendo franchises like Kid icarus? The Mario meeting sonic needs to be of legendary proportions and whats more timeless than the olympics? I think the game is fitting and it wont take away from the Vs. in the title...

This is brawl a 3rd in the series of NINTENDO franchises not a 'clash' game, third party inclusions like snake do nothing to take away from the overall story because he was never the symbol of a major corporation, just another timeless franchise

sonic represents Sega, just having a cameo in a once major rivaling franchise is disrespectful to the minds that bore him, this is why theVs. olympics series is so important, I cannot stress this enough

maybe this will do it for you... type up sonic sucks (youtube google whatever) and look at the sheer number of people who really trully hate the character, I dont particularly have a sour taste in my mouth speaking its name, I just dont think he belongs in any Nintendo franchise for that matter...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWaSJlbzQyw

this is not SNK Vs. Capcom's case people, where the latter ripped off the former... in many ways SNK improved on the SF(the originators) formula... what has sonic done? (new motto: W.H.s.D.?) not ****, he's just about as standard as it gets with platformers... the 3d ones tried something different, with the different characters/paths/powerups but we already know what happened there... x-play even said that the sonic franchise NEEDS to DIE!:embarrass

that "Nintendo/sega war" is still goin on now... and its Nintendo (NES:Wii) still fighting a console with better specs (the genesisS360) thus they got prettier games (sonic:anything HD), all old Nintendos got is Original Design

My main problem is, that one argument fanboys give when I talk about the movelist for this particular character, "sakurai will come up with a new one look at fox/falcon/peach/bowser/cast" yes, because they are core characters and integral to the company's name...

now more to the point, its sonic, a once prominent household name, for a rivaling company mind you, still wetting the palettes of a few faithful fans, who are still yearning for a new game...keep waiting kids :embarrass Sega likes to stick it to you like a priest to a choirboy...

why go out of the way to waste time making up moves for a 3rd party char when:

A) Theres 3rd party characters out there who would not only have found their ROOTS with Nintendo (a la Snake) but have a wide array of moves to choose from (this is a minor gripe after all rings, chaos control and spinda..... blah)

B) Programming, design, balancing, debuging, testing etc... this isnt another 3D sonic game, these things will actually happen IF he's included in brawl... (which can go towards in house characters mind you) sonic is the head of a company (after 3 failed attempts: alex the kid, ristar, and somethin else which is forgettable) why include just one character from sega? In fact they should include EVERY sonic character in one EPIC game, laced with some other monumental event:

oh yea.... that

TRUST when I say that if all you sonic supporters had a Dreamcast2 or something in that vicinity you would want a game like brawl understandably... of course you would have to imagine that Nintendo would have to be a 3rd party (lol)..... you would be the FIRST people opposing Mario in your games... imagine mario amidst this:

well maybe wearing this....:

 

[Lupo Aro]

I'm not going to rip into the actual post, but I will say this: threads like these are essentially flaming, which is probably not allowed.

 

[Sonink]

I thought Id bring to light the most dishearted attempt at a gaming franchise. Marketed as a super fast, talking anthromorphized porcupine with 'attitude', sonic, the star of a series that peaked more than 10 years ago, hasen't done anything noteworthy to improve the platforming/sidescrolling genre...

Im fully aware that there is a sonic thread, but thats to support/humor the idea of sonic appearing in Brawl to which I fully oppose... Other than being in mediocre games throughout his lifetime (Mediocre in the sense that youre supposed to go from point A to Point B but sonic is just ridiculous :|) and dont even get me started on the 3D efforts... just the Clipping issues alone are enough to frustrate the average gamer, save the crippling story line/dialog/quests etc.... I think the best thing about sonic Adventure was the Chao system and thats not saying much


I was inspired to create this thread when i found this (Read the comments):

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/JACK+of+No+Trades/sonic-vs-mario-fight--43247.phtml



and I realized that I wasnt alone. I truly believe the gaming community is putting sonic in a pedestal based on its survival and not its 'efforts' (or lack there of) to improve an aging franchise....

list of things the sonic series rips off:

Mario
any series that included a brooding evil clone
tamagotchi
Dragon ball Z
hell even motherfukcing bugs bunny...

Lets face it you people taht want sonic in are basing it on merit alone, because no 'spindash' ridden move list will change the mind of people who simply know better... He would be boring

and his inclusion in this series is the result of media exposure as Marios timeless rival, which was Segas goal to begin with... He doesnt 'deserve' to be honored by Nintendo, he should in fact be shunnedfor not putting effort forth into making a good game for the sake of the long time standing fans

Sega Does what Nintendon't and thats ruin a proven franchise

Good sir, I believe you are a troll.

Also, name the last good Mario game? Hell, name the last console Mario game that wasn't sports or Sunshine (ick)?

It was Super Mario 64. A launch title for N64 released OVER TEN YEARS AGO. At least Sega is trying (although not well)

 

[NeoSoul]

I'm not going to rip into the actual post, but I will say this: threads like these are essentially flaming, which is probably not allowed.

its just voicing an opinion...

 

[NeoSoul]

Good sir, I believe you are a troll.

Also, name the last good Mario game? Hell, name the last console Mario game that wasn't sports or Sunshine (ick)?

It was Super Mario 64. A launch title for N64 released OVER TEN YEARS AGO. At least Sega is trying (although not well)

No way..... um Mario Sunshine was the last console mario game and it was a good game that attempted something new, not with gimmicky side quests of supporting(lol) characters, it still contained several platforming stages that didnt include the fludd, which was what turned off a lot of gamers taht didnt even give the game a chance....

the game was genious.... theres nothing like getting one of those puffer fish stuck to your fludd and lauching it as a missile at an overpassing petey piranha from a distance, name one moment of awesome in a recent sonic game (the last one I played was adventure two battle and the 1st sonic rush which didnt really leave me wanting more, in a bad way)

 

[Cinder]

I don't care either way, but I have a feeling that you're gonna get flamed, considering Sonic's popularity...personally, I think he has a shot

 

[NeoSoul]

I don't care either way, but I have a feeling that you're gonna get flamed, considering Sonic's popularity...personally, I think he has a shot

Im fully aware taht people here have a hard on for sonic, but his inclusion would just make the game look corny..... I think it would take away from the essense of Smash Bros and turn into a Mario Vs sonic...

 

[vesperview]

My bets for addition third party characters are on Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes), Viewtiful Joe, Vanessa (PN 03) and Phoenix Wright.

WTF? I would never buy Brawl if those were the third party characters included, SONIC and Megaman FTW!

 

[Lupo Aro]

Im fully aware taht people here have a hard on for sonic, but his inclusion would just make the game look corny..... I think it would take away from the essense of Smash Bros and turn into a Mario Vs sonic...

If by "essence of Smash Bros" you mean "Nintendo's All-Stars duking it out," then Snake already took away from that.

 

[Caael]

Well he's gonna be in Brawl, but I dont like him. The games are way overrated when they're just crap! Sonic rush, all you do is hold right and ocasionally jump. Worst game formula i've seen ever. I like Sonic Adventure 2 Battle on GC though. The only game which I like with him in.

 

[Cinder]

Im fully aware taht people here have a hard on for sonic, but his inclusion would just make the game look corny..... I think it would take away from the essense of Smash Bros and turn into a Mario Vs sonic...

And that is a valid point...like I said, I don't care either way...as long as...well, look at my sig

 

[NeoSoul]

If by "essence of Smash Bros" you mean "Nintendo's All-Stars duking it out," then Snake already took away from that.

Snake has his roots firmly within the NES as a port of the msx2 original.

 

[NeoSoul]

And that is a valid point...like I said, I don't care either way...as long as...well, look at my sig

I dont really have a problem with lucarioit'll be even better if he replaces the catastrophe that was mewtwo

 

[Lupo Aro]

Snake has his roots firmly within the NES as a port of the msx2 original.

Snake appearing on a Nintendo console does not make him a "Nintendo All-Star."

 

[Caael]

You really need to stop double posting.

Sonic's inevitable. I dont like him, but there's a good chance he'll be in.

 

[Kirby knight]

Due to my slight paranoia of Sonic not appearing in brawl. I decided to do some research to help me regain my assurance of Sonic's inclusion.

To start off I did some digging into the "Mario & Sonic" at the Olympic Games. Orginally the game started off as a sole Sonic game but due to not appealling to wide range of audience members Sega asked Nintendo for the license to include Mario characters in the game and Nintendo agreed.

Now we have information that Sega was contacted by Nintendo regarding Sonic. ( Although it is a bit hazy considering I don't really know the time-table of M&SATOG in regards to the time table of brawl.) and it would only seem fair to have Sega to extend the favor by letting Nintendo use Sonic in brawl because Nintendo allowed the use of Mario characters in M&SATOG.

So in my mind Sonic is 100% confirmed; getting rid of any doubts that I had about him not appearing in SSBB. Otherwise if Sega denied the use of Sonic in Brawl if I was Nintendo I wouldn't have allowed them to use Mario character in the Oylmpics game.

( I'm sure most of you knew this already but I just wanted to share what gave me the conviction that Sonic is in Brawl ^_^)

-Knight

If Nintendo wants Sonic in Brawl; he will be in brawl; my research has almost competely confirmed Sonic in my mind.

Now after this I don't think I'm going post in a "anti-thread" how of sheer annoyance of the posts coughsandmancough was to the Lucario one.

-Knight

 

[Lupo Aro]

If Nintendo wants Sonic in Brawl; he will be in brawl; my research has almost competely confirmed Sonic in my mind.

Now after this I don't think I'm going post in a "anti-thread" how of sheer annoyance of the posts coughsandmancough was to the Lucario one.

-Knight

You seem to forget that SEGA has to let Nintendo use him. If SEGA says "no", then tough luck.

 

[Cinder]

If Nintendo wants Sonic in Brawl; he will be in brawl; my research has almost competely confirmed Sonic in my mind.

Now after this I don't think I'm going post in a "anti-thread" how of sheer annoyance of the posts coughsandmancough was to the Lucario one.

-Knight

Ya, I remember that...jeez, Sandman was annoying

And NeoSoul...you know what you're doing...you're prepared to argue this point, aren't you?

To avoid spamming, I'm gonna give my opinion: I think Sonic has a CHANCE in Brawl, assuming Sega allows Nintendo to use him...and, like I said, I don't CARE either way, I just think he's got a chance (better than some other third party ideas)

 

[NeoSoul]

Snake appearing on a Nintendo console does not make him a "Nintendo All-Star."

nope, in no sense, he was never a mascot for any home console, just a third party character that brings contrast to a series. Doesnt really take away anything from the game because he is accepted as simply an 'extra' character... Not as hyped as sonic i... I could write more on how Snake is a better choice than sonic but it'd be like a republican trying to defend bush... its already done

If Nintendo wants Sonic in Brawl; he will be in brawl; my research has almost competely confirmed Sonic in my mind.

Now after this I don't think I'm going post in a "anti-thread" how of sheer annoyance of the posts coughsandmancough was to the Lucario one.

-Knight

awesome.... whats it gonna take to keep him there?

 

[Kirby knight]

You seem to forget that SEGA has to let Nintendo use him. If SEGA says "no", then tough luck.

I didn't forget anything. Read my quoted post again because I don't think you did. If Nintendo allows the use of Mario Characters in the Olympics game; Sega should be greatful at the invitation of having Sonic in the game when they were asked to due so.

I'm aware the Sega has to let him be used; And on the small chance that Sega doesn't allow him use in Brawl; Sega is going to lose alot more in the long run. The thing is compared to Lucario I don't even care that much about Sonic so I don't have that type of fanboy devotion that some have.

-Knight

 

[Arteen]

I thought Id bring to light the most dishearted attempt at a gaming franchise. Marketed as a super fast, talking anthromorphized porcupine with 'attitude', sonic, the star of a series that peaked more than 10 years ago, hasen't done anything noteworthy to improve the platforming/sidescrolling genre...

The reason people want Sonic in so much is because of the rivalry during the Genesis era, not because of any of his recent games. Sonic was hardly competing with Mario after the Genesis era anyway; he hardly appeared on the Saturn and the Dreamcast wasn't really competing with the N64 either. Sonic was very important back then, and Sonic 1-3&K were outstanding.

list of things the sonic series rips off:

Mario
any series that included a brooding evil clone
tamagotchi
Dragon ball Z
hell even motherfukcing bugs bunny...

I understand DBZ (Super Sonic) and you missed Star Wars (Death Egg), but whether something is a rip-off, parody, or homage is a matter of perception. I don't understand how anything else in that list is a rip-off. Would you care to explain?

And as for TronKnotts's post:
1) That's a rather weak argument for not including a character. He doesn't have to title the game "Super Smash Bros. Brawl featuring Sonic the Hedgehog" if he puts Sonic in. He can just as easily treat Sonic like any other relevant character in the game without putting the spotlight on him.

2) Fair enough, but he's not Mario's rival anymore anyway. He was Mario's greatest rival during the Genesis era, and that's why he's popular.

3) Friendship was just a part of the criteria for only one character. That doesn't mean Sakurai will only choose his friend's creations.

4) Not really a big deal. It's just an Olympics game anyway, not a homage to Nintedo's history.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You've made a powerful enemy provoking The S.S.S.


Our Dark god may not be as Powerful as R.I.D.L.E.Y.'s, but his wrath is just as fierce...

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

While I don't agree with the methodology of this thread, I can honestly say I would not miss Sonic one bit if he failed to make it into Brawl.

 

[ALB247]

Didn't even read any of the posts. Just saw the topic title and I sign.

 

[axemangx]

Theres already a thread on this.

 

[NeoSoul]

You've made a powerful enemy provoking The S.S.S.


Our Dark god may not be as Powerful as R.I.D.L.E.Y.'s, but his wrath is just as fierce...

lol

Didn't even read any of the posts. Just saw the topic title and I sign.

lol, again yessssss SUPPORT!

 

[FierceDeityWolf]

WTH is up with all these anti-insert character threads? It's like 4Chan once again!..

 

[NeoSoul]

WTH is up with all these anti-insert character threads? It's like 4Chan once again!..

theres one.... as far as I know the other one I surely think is a joke...

 

[volbound1700]

Wasn't Sonic before DBZ, and DBZ is the dumbest kiddy crap I have ever seen outside of Pokemon...

 

[Bassoonist]

While I don't agree with the methodology of this thread, I can honestly say I would not miss Sonic one bit if he failed to make it into Brawl.

Same here. I've never liked Sonic.

I don't think that my opinion alone should matter, though.

 

[volbound1700]

The new Sonic games do not do sonic justice...

You have to play Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 for SEGA to really appreciate him. Also the Sonic games for gamegear, Sonic 3, Sonic and Knuckles, and Sonic Quest are great.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The new Sonic games do not do sonic justice...

You have to play Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and 2 for SEGA to really appreciate him. Also the Sonic games for gamegear, Sonic 3, Sonic and Knuckles, and Sonic Quest are great.

I liked Sonic's adventure for Dreamcast

 

[killbeast301]

4) There is already a Mario and Sonic crossover coming this year. It makes it much less exciting to see Mario and Sonic together is it happens twice in less than a month. It's only exciting because people thought it would never happen. So to have it happen, then happen again a month after? Totally anti-climactic.

The main reason for sonic in brawl is "ZOMG Sonic v. Mario HURRAY" correct? well this fighting game's hype would definately overshadow sonic & mario at the olympics the main hype of which is "Sonic vs. Mario finally!" The olympic game will lose massive sales if sonic and mario get to actually fight somewhere else, while brawl will do well regardless. This is the one and only reason why I think sonic won't appear in brawl.

 

[NeoSoul]

Wasn't Sonic before DBZ, and DBZ is the dumbest kiddy crap I have ever seen outside of Pokemon...

sonic 2 came out in 1992 Im not too sure of DBZ's timeline but that series of anime is pretty old

 

[Oakwood]

Good sir, I believe you are a troll.

Also, name the last good Mario game? Hell, name the last console Mario game that wasn't sports or Sunshine (ick)?

It was Super Mario 64. A launch title for N64 released OVER TEN YEARS AGO. At least Sega is trying (although not well)

Try again.
http://cube.ign.com/objects/016/016713.html
http://ds.ign.com/objects/682/682879.html

Also: IGN's Top 100 Games of All Time
# 001 // Super Mario Bros.
# 063 // Sonic the Hedgehog


Don't come in here and badmouth Mario to try to support Sonic. It's not going to work.

 

[Bassoonist]

Actually Oakwood, Super Mario Sunshine WAS the last console Mario game that wasn't a sports/party title.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Try again.
http://cube.ign.com/objects/016/016713.html
http://ds.ign.com/objects/682/682879.html

Also: IGN's Top 100 Games of All Time
# 001 // Super Mario Bros.
# 063 // Sonic the Hedgehog


Don't come in here and badmouth Mario to try to support Sonic. It's not going to work.

Well both of those Mario games sucked as well...the wii one looks good but Mario has gone just as downhill as Sonic

 

[max32090]

theres a game coming out called mario and sonic olympics lol sonic is definitely going to be in brawl and probably someone else from the franchise like eggman or knuckles

 

[Bassoonist]

theres a game coming out called mario and sonic olympics lol sonic is definitely going to be in brawl and probably someone else from the franchise like eggman or knuckles

We don't know that. It's possible that Mario and Sonic: At the Olympics hurts Sonic's chances of being in the game.

If Sonic makes it in, I doubt there'll be any other playable characters from the series. Sakurai stated there'd be maybe 3 third party characters maximum, why take the spots away from other third party companies' characters?

 

[NeoSoul]

Well both of those Mario games sucked as well...the wii one looks good but Mario has gone just as downhill as Sonic

WUT!??!?!?!?!?!

youre on some shit

seriously, no way, sonic fell off HARD the games do not suck, I bet you havent played them simple as that... mario kart, mario parties, mario strikers um sonic had waht riders? which was utter shit, a shadow the hedgehog spinoff with guns and a mototrcycle???? seems like sega is reaching.... and runing out of collective creative juices...

theres a game coming out called mario and sonic olympics lol sonic is definitely going to be in brawl and probably someone else from the franchise like eggman or knuckles

you just came in but i hate you for havin the same avatar as me :|:|:|