The Mach Rider For SSB4 Thread!

[BluePikmin11]

Actually, because Sakurai said pre-Melee to "not expect Sukapon in Smash." I don't remember if any reasoning was given.

It's just my guess..

As for some aerial attacks, Mach Rider should have the Elbow of Rectitude.

 

[ChozoBoy]

Actually, because Sakurai said pre-Melee to "not expect Sukapon in Smash." I don't remember if any reasoning was given.

I remember, but I think it is really weird since Joy Mech Fight was Nintendo's first good fighting game. (I don't think anyone will argue in favor of Urban Champion, though it was their first try.)

I think part of the reason was because it would have been another Japanese character that they'd have to cut overseas. (Marth and Roy weren't going to make it here.) In addition, they probably wanted to show off the GCN better, and Sukapon isn't visually impressive. Even if he isn't in SSB U/3DS, I'm hoping he'll be a good choice for a DLC character, given that he shouldn't take up as much internal space with animation and bones and stuff.


Regarding Mach Rider, I don't see the water/oil happening. Maybe as stage hazards, but the tacks just work better.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Sukapon could be an AT or a DLC character honestly. Hopefully one of his opponents from Joy Mech Fight is an AT instead though. (That way Sukapon would have a shot as a DLC character)

Anyway, i still think it would be cool to have some Fist of The North Star references mashed into Mach Rider's moveset. (Sort of like how Captain Falcon has Kamen Rider moves)

 

[ChozoBoy]

What if her suit dissolved like Samus used to in SSB when hit by electrical attacks to show the pieces reforming? Maybe even when stunned, too.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well I guess Mach rider is possible due to a character that sakurai wanted in Melee and simular to captain falcon since we all thought falcon had no attacks at all but nope look at falcon in smash 64 he has a heck of a moveset

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Official SSB Fan Seal of Approval

I support.

 

[Sebz]

I wonder, would people prefer Mach Rider as a male or a female?
The whole "reveal" picture didn't happen on the original game, it was only added later to the arcade version, thus leaving room for interpretation.

I for one would prefer Mach Rider as a male. The reason being that Samus is already the surprise badass lady for Nintendo, and having that formula repeat again would make it less effective. Also, having a rough and tumbled biker guy fighting amongst all these cute characters would be awesome.

P.S. Does anyone have any good reference pics for the Rider? I'm trying to draw him but there aren't very many pictures to base it off.

 

[Deleted member]

Funny thing is, Mach Rider came before Samus.

 

[Tepig2000]

The best moveset I could find for Mach Rider. I'm a supporter.

Neutral Special
Machine Gun Mach Rider takes out his machine gun and starts firing. If the special button is not held down, Mach Rider will put it away after firing a few shots. If the Special button is held down, he will continuously fire bullets. Every bullet does about 1% damage, though this can add up quickly.
Side Special Mach Bike In a similar manner to Wario's side special, Mach Rider hops on his bike and rides around on the stage. However, unlike Wario's Bike, Mach Rider's does not drop onto the stage. Instead, Mach Rider puts it away, making this move a bit harder to use for recovery. Every time you ram into someone with the bike, it deals about 9 - 10% damage.
Up Special Mach Flash Mach Rider leaps into the air, leg forwards. This is Mach Rider's main recovery move, allowing for decent vertical and somewhat horizontal recovery. It can also hit opponents multiple times, and it has startup invincibility. Damage varies because of the number of times Mach Rider can hit someone with this move. It can cause up to 14% total.
Down Special Mach Kick Mach Rider starts kicking very rapidly, dealing multiple hits to opponents who are caught in the fury. Each kick doesn't do a whole lot, though like the Machine Gun, the damage can add up.
Final Smash Mach Assault Mach Rider hops onto his trusty Mach Bike, equipped with the Machine Gun. Mach Rider can then run around the stage, dealing decent damage with each ram from the bike, though it can also rack up even more damage by firing the machine gun. Mach Rider can also perform a wheelie while performing his final smash.

 

[Deleted member]

That's Super Smash Bros. Crusade's moveset for Mach Rider.

.....definitely not the best moveset.

 

[FlareHabanero]

To be blunt, a lot of the fan created movesets tend to be rather mediocre.

 

[ToothiestAura]

That's Super Smash Bros. Crusade's moveset for Mach Rider.

.....definitely not the best moveset.

To be blunt, a lot of the fan created movesets tend to be rather mediocre.

His Up and Down Specials from Crusade are only that way because his sprites are a (horrible) edit of Kenshiro's JUS sprites. They just used what was easy because they couldn't think of anything good/they're too lazy to do actual spriting.

 

[Deleted member]

Bear in mind, I'm PART of that community.
You can attribute the half-assed moveset to the old development team, who just took shortcuts and barely put thought in movesets for characters.

Rest assured, Mach Rider's going to be resprited and given new moves.

 

[Sebz]

I highly doubt that Nintendo would allow the Rider to keep a machine gun. It'd probably be replaced by a plasma or laser gun, but after censoring the heck out of Snake, I'm pretty sure no real-ish guns will ever be in a Smash game.

 

[ToothiestAura]

I haven't looked at the games in a year or so. Not claiming to be up to date with it.
Glad to hear they're putting some effort in now.

 

[Deleted member]

I haven't looked at the games in a year or so. Not claiming to be up to date with it.
Glad to hear they're putting some effort in now.

"They" is a different team.

 

[FirstBlade]

Mach Rider should defenitely remain a dude. The original is a dude (the game guide for the original refers to Mach as a dude) and that seems to be the only one that matters anyways (this was the only one that was in Brawl's catalog as well, no arcade games were included.) Also, since Sakurai has already referred to Mach as a dude in Melee it wouldn't make sense for him to miraculously turn him into a woman.

Anyways, moveset possibilities could be pretty good for this guy. Anyways, I decided to make a basic special moveset for this guy.

AAA- Punch, Punch, Elbow 4%. 4%. 5%.

Dash Attack- Body slam. 10%.

F-Tilt- Powerful forward kick. Does 15%
U-Tilt- An upward punch. Does 9%.
D-Tilt- A downwards shot with his Quad Gun. Does 11%.

N-Air- Splits into particles and comes back together very quickly. Does 4%
F-Air- Double kick. 5%. 5%
B-Air- Back Elbow (kind of like a falling elbow) 8%.
U-Air- Flip Kick. 7%
D-Air- Dives down headfirst. Very Fast. 10%

F-Smash- A tumble into a slide. 18%. High knockback.
U-Smash- "A Bikers Jump". A backflip kick as if he jumped off of a bike. 16%. Medium knockback.
D-Smash- Shoots on eiether side of him 6% on each side. Low knockback.

Grab: Both hands
Pummel: A headbutt with the spiked part of his helmet.


B: Quad Gun- A futuristic gun capable of firing shots that home in and "jump" from player to player. Holding B allows for the gun's rays to be able to "jump" from players from farther away. The gun is capable of hitting 4 times. First hit causes 8%, Second hit causes 4%, Third hit causes 2%, Fourth hit causes 1%. Based off Quadrunners. Only the first hit causes knockback.
Over B: Mach Speed- Mach Rider will speed forward very quickly similiar to Fox Illusion except instead of knocking characters upwards will go through them and push characters behind him not unlike Porygon 2 from Melee. Can be used as a side recovery wih spike like properties if used in the air. This move has the ability to cause poison damage if the shoulder spike sweetspot is hit. Causes 13% without sweetspot and 17% with sweetspot. Based off of his Mach Bike.
Up B: Materialization- Explodes into particles and comes back together in the direction you want (similiar to Sheik except you can "see" where you are going). Always causes fire damage. This would be an okay recovery. Explosion causes 10%. This could be an efficient move to dodge attacks with if timed right as he cannot take damage when in the particle form. Based off of his particle ability.
Down B: Survivor- This is not another counter or reflector move. This move can potentially allow Mach Rider to cut knockback by half. (Of course you can still receive damage.) Mach Rider will enter a defensive stance (You know arms up in front of face.) If he is hit in this posistion he will a glow in a gray hue for a moment he will still receive the damage but knockback will be cut by half of what it would have done without it. The stance lasts for approximately 1.5 seconds.

Final Smash: Mach Bike: Mach Rider's bike will appear. You control the bike and can shoot lasers from the gun by pressing A. The lasers cause damage when they hit players as well as push players back. Occasionaly the lasers will explode similiar to a Bob-omb. You can jump with the bike as well and running into players is encouaraged as it can cause heavy knockback. At the end of 20 seconds, the Mach Bike explodes and Mach Rider does what he does when the bike explodes in the original Mach Rider.

Playstyle: Mach should be a fast character who has stronger attacks on the ground then in the air. His airials are pretty weak becauses of this. He is capable of ranged attacks and is good at close combat. He is also good at zoning and mindgames thanks to the Materialization and Survivor move.

Entrance- Drives in on his bike which dissappears into shards.

Taunt- Takes out the Quad gun and admires it while saying "Easy as riding a bike"
Taunt 2- Explodes and materializes in place
Taunt 3- Takes

 

[FirstBlade]

Mach Rider should defenitely remain a dude. The original is a dude (the game guide for the original refers to Mach as a dude) and that seems to be the only one that matters anyways (this was the only one that was in Brawl's catalog as well, no arcade games were included.) Also, since Sakurai has already referred to Mach as a dude in Melee it wouldn't make sense for him to miraculously turn him into a woman.

Anyways, moveset possibilities could be pretty good for this guy. Anyways, I decided to make a basic special moveset for this guy.

AAA- Punch, Punch, Elbow 4%. 4%. 5%.

Dash Attack- Body slam. 10%.

F-Tilt- Powerful forward kick. Does 15%
U-Tilt- An upward punch. Does 9%.
D-Tilt- A downwards shot with his Quad Gun. Does 11%.

N-Air- Splits into particles and comes back together very quickly. Does 4%
F-Air- Double kick. 5%. 5%
B-Air- Back Elbow (kind of like a falling elbow) 8%.
U-Air- Flip Kick. 7%
D-Air- Dives down headfirst. Very Fast. 10%

F-Smash- A tumble into a slide. 18%. High knockback.
U-Smash- "A Bikers Jump". A backflip kick as if he jumped off of a bike. 16%. Medium knockback.
D-Smash- Shoots on eiether side of him 6% on each side. Low knockback.

Grab: Both hands
Pummel: A headbutt with the spiked part of his helmet.


B: Quad Gun- A futuristic gun capable of firing shots that home in and "jump" from player to player. Holding B allows for the gun's rays to be able to "jump" from players from farther away. The gun is capable of hitting 4 times. First hit causes 8%, Second hit causes 4%, Third hit causes 2%, Fourth hit causes 1%. Based off Quadrunners. Only the first hit causes knockback.
Over B: Mach Speed- Mach Rider will speed forward very quickly similiar to Fox Illusion except instead of knocking characters upwards will go through them and push characters behind him not unlike Porygon 2 from Melee. Can be used as a side recovery wih spike like properties if used in the air. This move has the ability to cause poison damage if the shoulder spike sweetspot is hit. Causes 13% without sweetspot and 17% with sweetspot. Based off of his Mach Bike.
Up B: Materialization- Explodes into particles and comes back together in the direction you want (similiar to Sheik except you can "see" where you are going). Always causes fire damage. This would be an okay recovery. Explosion causes 10%. This could be an efficient move to dodge attacks with if timed right as he cannot take damage when in the particle form. Based off of his particle ability.
Down B: Survivor- This is not another counter or reflector move. This move can potentially allow Mach Rider to cut knockback by half. (Of course you can still receive damage.) Mach Rider will enter a defensive stance (You know arms up in front of face.) If he is hit in this posistion he will a glow in a gray hue for a moment he will still receive the damage but knockback will be cut by half of what it would have done without it. The stance lasts for approximately 1.5 seconds.

Final Smash: Mach Bike: Mach Rider's bike will appear. You control the bike and can shoot lasers from the gun by pressing A. The lasers cause damage when they hit players as well as push players back. Occasionaly the lasers will explode similiar to a Bob-omb. You can jump with the bike as well and running into players is encouaraged as it can cause heavy knockback. At the end of 20 seconds, the Mach Bike explodes and Mach Rider does what he does when the bike explodes in the original Mach Rider.

Playstyle: Mach should be a fast character who has stronger attacks on the ground then in the air. His airials are pretty weak becauses of this. He is capable of ranged attacks and is good at close combat. He is also good at zoning and mindgames thanks to the Materialization and Survivor move.

Entrance- Drives in on his bike which dissappears into shards.

Taunt- Takes out the Quad gun and admires it while saying "Easy as riding a bike"
Taunt 2- Explodes and materializes in place
Taunt 3- Takes

 

[MasterMushroom]

Japan seems to think MR is a girl, so...

 

[Diddy Kong]

Japan just likes to use excuses to draw boobs.

Mach Rider would be awesome in Smash. Definitely my nr.1 pick for a Retro character.

 

[FirstBlade]

Japan seems to think MR is a girl, so...

So... this means nothing. There have been pictures of female Links and junk like that. Considering the fact the original sprite has a muscular build like a guy and looks nothing like a girls bodyframe (the suit looks skin tight so no you can't say it's like a Halloween costume), I'm going to go out on a limb here and say its a guy. There also is no girl in the original unlike the original Metroid and the manual clearly refers to the mysterious rider as a dude. Also, I feel if the series were to be revived by Sakurai it would be a guy because that is exactly how Sakurai referred to him in the Melee trophy. Btw, that last pick looks nothing like Mach Rider... that would be Mach Rider if he gender changed, starved himself and stopped working out. No offense to the artist.

 

[FalKoopa]

Japan seems to think MR is a girl, so...

I wouldn't mind Mach Rider being a female, really. She would complement Capt. Falcon even better that way, imo.

(We'll get something better and/or different than SnakexZSS fanfics. )

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'll pick the dude, only cause of the Melee trophy.

 

[Cheesedork]

Funny, the only reason I support Mach Rider is cuz Sakurai said he was considered for Melee.

I'll pick the dude, only cause of the Melee trophy.

That too.
Still support him(/her?), though.

 

[3Bismyname]

Japan seems to think MR is a girl, so...

tbf in Vs Mach Rider one part of the game was that an image gradually revealed a woman next to the Mach Rider bike after completing each challange, so i can understand the confusion.

because the game overall doesn't have much of a plot explained in it, we dont know whether or not Mach Rider this was supposed to reveal that Mach Rider was a woman, or if this woman was one of the members of the resistance

 

[DonkaFjord]

Mach Rider should defenitely remain a dude. The original is a dude (the game guide for the original refers to Mach as a dude) and that seems to be the only one that matters anyways (this was the only one that was in Brawl's catalog as well, no arcade games were included.) Also, since Sakurai has already referred to Mach as a dude in Melee it wouldn't make sense for him to miraculously turn him into a woman.

Well If the design got more refined than before I'd be open to Mach rider being female, but wasn't Samus the same way in her first games? She was referenced as a guy in game and in manuel at first, and even in the game where her gender is revealed (Many thought the whole speed test to play as Bikini Bailey in one of the first Metroid games was actually Samus's girlfriend). So what if Mach rider got another sequel... then it would be possible they could have gone the same route as well. To be honest I see it going either way. (Especially if a reboot happened.)

 

[Zhadgon]

Nintendo tends to make female characters at first glance look like male characters so they can make a move of 360º to surprise the gamer, look at Metroid with Samus, Wario Games with Captain Syrup (think I´m right, if not correct me) and the same can be done with Mach Rider (thats why I will not be surprised that in fact the character is female).
.n_n.

 

[DonkaFjord]

Nintendo tends to make female characters at first glance look like male characters so they can make a move of 360º to surprise the gamer, look at Metroid with Samus, Wario Games with Captain Syrup (think I´m right, if not correct me) and the same can be done with Mach Rider (thats why I will not be surprised that in fact the character is female).
.n_n.

Also it was better for them at the time because some people will never see the reveal/at first glance it looks like a man (The whole controversy at the time that women couldn't fight as a hero/villain/enemy/ally without encouraging domestic violence.)

 

[LaniusShrike]

Nintendo tends to make female characters at first glance look like male characters so they can make a move of 360º to surprise the gamer, look at Metroid with Samus, Wario Games with Captain Syrup (think I´m right, if not correct me) and the same can be done with Mach Rider (thats why I will not be surprised that in fact the character is female).
.n_n.

By my recollection, Captain Syrup was never depicted as ambiguously gendered, though the American game manual made it vague for some reason... but, in the very least, as soon as she was shown in Wario Land I think it was clear that she was a she.

If I recall correctly, the very first female protagonist of a video game was Kissy from a game called Baraduke, followed by Mach Rider, then Samus.

Anyway, I feel like Mach Rider's gender is actually really irrelevant. I don't think Smash would do anything that involves MR's sex and I doubt the helmet will be coming off.

 

[Zhadgon]

By my recollection, Captain Syrup was never depicted as ambiguously gendered, though the American game manual made it vague for some reason... but, in the very least, as soon as she was shown in Wario Land I think it was clear that she was a she.

If I recall correctly, the very first female protagonist of a video game was Kissy from a game called Baraduke, followed by Mach Rider, then Samus.

Anyway, I feel like Mach Rider's gender is actually really irrelevant. I don't think Smash would do anything that involves MR's sex and I doubt the helmet will be coming off.

Well if by the chance Mach Rider is a playable character, never say never to a situation, maybe in the end they will show a picture of Mach Rider without the helmet and making a thumps up for playing with her in the Classic mode.
.n_n.

 

[LaniusShrike]

I have to say, I have trouble reconciling this body structure:

with the concept of MR being female. That is clearly someone with male proportions, even ignoring the clear cut muscles. That makes the "Mach Rider's actually a skimpily clad female!" thing really fall flat for me.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Does it really matter, as long as Mach gets in Smash? Sakurai will make him/her what he wants it to be.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Does it really matter, as long as Mach gets in Smash? Sakurai will make him/her what he wants it to be.

I agree, I don't think it matters at all. The only place that MR's gender would come up would be a trophy description and even that can be left ambiguous.

MR's a cool character, and I support him and/or her. I do think I'd like MR more if there was another Mach Rider game that revealed more about the character himself/herself, though. Maybe give MR an actual name and personality.

 

[FirstBlade]

Well If the design got more refined than before I'd be open to Mach rider being female, but wasn't Samus the same way in her first games? She was referenced as a guy in game and in manuel at first, and even in the game where her gender is revealed (Many thought the whole speed test to play as Bikini Bailey in one of the first Metroid games was actually Samus's girlfriend). So what if Mach rider got another sequel... then it would be possible they could have gone the same route as well. To be honest I see it going either way. (Especially if a reboot happened.)

Lol, difference is that Samus was revealed to be a girl in the first game at the end if you reach the requirements. In the original Mach Rider on the other hand, no such claim or picture was made. I think in the end it is Sakurai who picks the gender so I'm just going to go by the Melee description. As people have said it really wouldn't matter what the gender is becauses it wouldn't be mentioned or shown anywhere besides a trophy description

 

[DonkaFjord]

Lol, difference is that Samus was revealed to be a girl in the first game at the end if you reach the requirements. In the original Mach Rider on the other hand, no such claim or picture was made. I think in the end it is Sakurai who picks the gender so I'm just going to go by the Melee description. As people have said it really wouldn't matter what the gender is becauses it wouldn't be mentioned or shown anywhere besides a trophy description

No I thought a lot of people thought Justin Bailey was Samus's girlfriend not actually samus because in the first game didn't you have to do a speed run to unlock her suitless? So a lot of people treated it similarly till the sequels made it more clear (And the instruction booklets stopped using confusing genders to throw people off.)

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, the original NES version of the game didn't really feature ANYTHING that could lead either route for Mach.
No image with a masculine build or a feminine build, no extensive description that used male or female pronouns, etc.

My theory is, Mach Rider was left to be ambiguous deliberately, especially due to the phrase "YOU ARE MACH RIDER". Meaning, if a boy was playing the game, "Mach Rider" would be a man. If a girl was playing the game, "Mach Rider" would be a woman. Mach Rider is the player.

Therefore, I bring up a concept again that if Mach is in Smash, there should be gender-neutral pronouns, an androgynous build, and a muffled voice (think of like Pyro from TF2) that doesn't give any indication on either gender.

 

[courte]

i fully support this character and more realistic build characters.

i also by default -2 any post mentally i see made by member who joined after 2009-2010. i'm really trying not to. some of them say interesting stuff. i didn't see a moveset on page one, is that on a separate thread

 

[Bowserlick]

Mach Rider Moveset​

Mach Rider has a redesign. His armor is more futuristic looking and bulkier. This is because Mach Rider can transform himself into a motorcycle just like Samus can morph into a ball. Mach Rider in normal form is only slightly above average in running speed, but has propulsion jets on his calves for accelerated moves. He also holds a massive energy-shooting chaingun. The chaingun mounts onto the driver's seat when he morphs into a motorcycle. In normal form he has a fast medium roll, but a lousy spot dodge. His dodge in mid-air is average. His speed comes in his other mode where it can be difficult to handle. Expect to drive off the stage multiple times before you get the hang of his intense speed.

Specials​

Down B Motorcycle Mode: Armor transforms into a motorcycle with a chain-gun turret on the driver seat. Can use specials and drive back and forth. This mode as one low jump, but with fast air speed that travels further depending on how fast the bike is going. A press of A or Down B exits this mode.

B Chain Gun: Holds gun forward, which spins and delivers ten energy shots in a short burst. Does 10 percent damage. If the enemy is close enough, the shots will cause stun and some knock-back.

Motorcycle Chain Gun: The chain gun is mounted on the driver's seat. B causes the gun to fire a burst. Can be used while moving.

UP B Materialization: Explodes into fragments and materializes a short distance in any direction. If B is pressed during the sequence, Mach Rider will rematerialize as his bike.

Motorcycle Materialization: Explodes into fragments and materializes a short distance in any direction. If B is pressed during the sequence, Mach Rider will rematerialize in normal form.

Side B Mach Engine: Does a short burst in the direction pressed and grabs at the end. If the opponent is grabbed, Mach Rider's jets on his armor will fire and he and the opponent will travel half the distance of Fox's Illusion. Mach Rider will jump off and upwards at the end.

Motorcycle Mach Engine: Jets will fire for a big burst of speed. Can be very dangerous to use. While it can have big KO potential, it knocks the enemy in the opposite direction the bike is traveling.

Ground Attacks​

A Mach 1, Mach 2, Mach 3: Delivers three quick punches in succession with one press of the A button.

Dash A Hit-and-Run: Delivers a knee to the enemy.

Side A Chain Gun Backhand: Delivers a backhand with his massive chaingun.

Down A Kneecap Punch: Crouches down on one knee. Punches forward with a press of A. Could cause the opponent to trip.

Up A Chain Gun Uppercut: Delivers a rising uppercut with his chain gun.

Forward Smash Turbo Punch: Mach Rider fires his propulsion jets launching him forward and slightly off the ground a good distance and delivers a punch. (Similar in stats to Wolf's Forward Smash).

Down Smash Donut: Sticks out a braced elbow, fires jets, and rotates in a circle leaving skid marks on the ground. Good clear away move with good knockback).

Up Smash Highway to Heaven: Does a fist pump while holding his chain gun in a vertical-fashion. Hits opponent straight up. If it connects, the gun fires quickly sending five gun shots toward the sky.

Aerial Attacks​

Neutral A: A fast flip kick with limited knockback.

Forward A: Swings his gun forward and downwards with both hands. Can Meteor Smash.

Back A: Jets fire sending a massive spray of sparks backwards. First use propels Mach Rider forwards. Good for racking up damage.

Down A: Slams his chain gun straight down as it rotates and fires a burst of five shots. Meteor Smash.

Up A: Flips upside down, bends legs, and kicks straight up. Can be charged.

Throws​

Pummel: Headbutts.

Forward Throw: Slams gun in chest, launching them at a 45 degree angle and fires five scattered shots.

Down Throw: Shoulders his chaingun, throws the enemy to the floor and machine gun punches them with both fists until they pop upwards.

Back Throw: Dematerializes and rematerializes behind them to deliver a punch.

Up Throw: Bends his knees and extends legs quickly as he throws the enemy straight up.

 

[Zekersaurus]

Let this be. He would make for a great character.

 

[waichingliu81]

i still think mach rider is a he. however, if sakurai chooses to surprise us and unveils the character to be female, i still wouldn't mind.