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The Luigi Social Thread
- Thread starter hippiedude92
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BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
It's just you
boss8
Smash Hero
so after playing countless hours with M2k i came to the conclusion that luigi cant beat MK and shouldnt be even coming remotley close to touching MK at all....
discuss
discuss
See Boss knows what's up too.
Pick up a good character guys, we're not going anywhere...
Or at least pick up a decent secondary for MK. Sorry for being so negative, but with such an atrocious MK MU, i don't see how Luigi's going to fare very well in the future.
@Espy
It's just you
BSL
B-B-B-BLAMM!!!
UNLESS WE BAN MK!!!!!!!!
/allcaps
/allcaps
yoshq
Smash Master
lol we were just discussing that last few pages. i agree.
makoforce
Smash Ace
no guys luigi can do it after today i think he can. next Wednesday come to the BBR chats they are having.
makoforce
Smash Ace
read this it gives alot of insight to the bbr and MK in general.
makoforce059 (5:54:48 PM): hello im here for the BBR chat
pierce7d (5:55:25 PM): Well, I've actually just closed down the main chat, but I'll definitely field your questions
makoforce059 (5:55:39 PM): ok its regarding the tier list
pierce7d (5:55:43 PM): Sure
makoforce059 (5:55:53 PM): why doesnt luigi go up
makoforce059 (5:56:05 PM): weve proven ourselves to go up
pierce7d (5:56:31 PM): Well, the tier list v5 was composed of most members individual lists.
pierce7d (5:56:46 PM): Most members of the BBR, including myself, feel that Luigi is around the right spot.
pierce7d (5:57:22 PM): I cannot speak for every person individually, but I feel that Luigi's weaknesses are easily exploited, and mainly garners wins off of gaps in his opponents' knowledge of the MU
makoforce059 (5:57:54 PM): but his tourney results are higher than alot of people above him
makoforce059 (5:58:48 PM): isnt that what tiers are made of
pierce7d (5:59:11 PM): Partially
pierce7d (5:59:21 PM): The tier list in not exclusively tourney placings.
pierce7d (5:59:33 PM): Some characters are more popular than others, some characters have more skilled mains
makoforce059 (6:00:04 PM): well MK is all of the above
makoforce059 (6:00:08 PM): lol
pierce7d (6:00:14 PM): When making a tier list, we consider the abilities of the character, alongside their placings, their MUs, and their likelyhood to run into favorable MUs or disadvantaged MUs.
pierce7d (6:00:21 PM): Yes, which is why he's at the top
makoforce059 (6:00:44 PM): well potetial wise luigi is at least mid C tier
makoforce059 (6:01:01 PM): and he goes pretty good with people that are not MK and marth
makoforce059 (6:01:23 PM): but as a community I believe we dont have common knowledge of our charcater though
makoforce059 (6:01:33 PM): like said marth boards
pierce7d (6:03:08 PM): Well, I've personally fought Big Lou and Boss
makoforce059 (6:03:15 PM): did u win
pierce7d (6:03:33 PM): We've traded games.
makoforce059 (6:03:35 PM): Biglou is really talented
pierce7d went away at 6:03:46 PM
pierce7d (6:04:06 PM): Yeah, he is
pierce7d (6:04:38 PM): I think Luigi might have some space to grow, but he's extremely limited both offensively and defensively.
makoforce059 (6:04:54 PM): or Fox his rise to a lot of people in the community will never be justified
makoforce059 (6:05:31 PM): just because TKD beat tyrant
makoforce059 (6:05:51 PM): foxes really never place nationals
pierce7d (6:06:24 PM): I think Fox is an extemely underrated and underdeveloped character. I've been thinking about learning him personally. I voted Fox pretty high up.
makoforce059 (6:06:36 PM): ive tried him out
pierce7d (6:07:35 PM): He's a very difficult character.
makoforce059 (6:07:50 PM): he was pretty fun but he runs into alot of disadvantaged MU's falco coming first
pierce7d (6:08:06 PM): Eh
makoforce059 (6:08:08 PM): and MK, marth,
pierce7d (6:08:11 PM): I think Fox beats Falco
makoforce059 (6:08:15 PM): really
makoforce059 (6:08:23 PM): earlier kills
pierce7d (6:08:28 PM): I think Fox does extremely well against MK, and wins on some neutrals
pierce7d (6:08:53 PM): Against Marth, if you get the lead, it's not hard to hold it.
pierce7d (6:09:01 PM): Neither MU is unwinnable.
pierce7d (6:09:11 PM): Pikachu is very hard, but is rare.
makoforce059 (6:09:26 PM): i forgot about pikachu lol
makoforce059 (6:09:52 PM): well luigi and fox i think go about 55:45
makoforce059 (6:09:59 PM): i think
pierce7d (6:11:32 PM): It's hard to call. It's a weird MU.
makoforce059 (6:11:43 PM): they both kill eac other early
makoforce059 (6:11:51 PM): luigi has combos
makoforce059 (6:11:56 PM): fox has lazers
makoforce059 (6:12:28 PM): but luigi has priority and fox is kinda easy to approach
makoforce059 (6:12:43 PM): and gimping him is not easy as vice versa
pierce7d (6:13:15 PM): I think Fox is difficult to approach at high levels of play.
makoforce059 (6:13:27 PM): why so?
makoforce059 (6:16:23 PM): i know fox is fast and all but they will just try to dance around us and make us throw out moves
makoforce059 (6:16:39 PM): but if we already know that then it wont work
pierce7d (6:17:28 PM): That's a very, very unspecific level of theory you have going on there.
pierce7d (6:17:45 PM): It's impossible for me to argue against that kind of statement.
makoforce059 (6:17:46 PM): well its a little biased lol
pierce7d (6:18:24 PM): You're assuming you know what Fox's limits are, and that you know what Foxes will do
pierce7d (6:18:43 PM): And you're assuming you know the limits of your own character
makoforce059 (6:18:50 PM): nah i dont but alot of characters are scared of luigi
pierce7d (6:18:57 PM): Instead, keep an open mind, and consider that you still have a lot to learn
pierce7d (6:19:05 PM): Also, a character cannot be scared.
makoforce059 (6:19:30 PM): i mean it like they are scared once he gets close
makoforce059 (6:19:41 PM): people i mean
pierce7d (6:21:17 PM): This helps Luigi as a character. He has a tool which initiates fear, allowing him to capitalize on defense.
makoforce059 (6:21:26 PM): up B
makoforce059 (6:22:02 PM): IMO he is more of a bait and read kinda characater
pierce7d (6:22:17 PM): I agree.
pierce7d (6:22:38 PM): DownB allows him to break zoning, while UpB allows him to punish mistakes massively
pierce7d (6:22:49 PM): And a combo game coupled with good kill power makes him a dynamic tool
makoforce059 (6:23:01 PM): but no sheild game lol
makoforce059 (6:23:08 PM): no traction
pierce7d (6:23:23 PM): However lack of disjoints and mobility make him easy to keep out, once you've acknowledged how he can use his lack of traction to his advantage
pierce7d (6:23:27 PM): Precisely.
makoforce059 (6:23:58 PM): he can punish all most all mistakes. even simple ones as rolling and spotdodging
makoforce059 (6:24:11 PM): yea no disjoints
makoforce059 (6:24:18 PM): no mobility
pierce7d (6:24:58 PM): Luigi is probably the most dangerous character once he gets in your face, but the ease of keeping him out, coupled with the ease of edgeguarding him and juggling him plants him solidly in midtier IMO
makoforce059 (6:25:43 PM): yea but not many characters can reliably edgegaurd him though besides MK and marth
makoforce059 (6:26:00 PM): and he does get walled out by simple things like snakes grenades
pierce7d (6:26:33 PM): I disagree. I find Luigi to be edgeguardable with most characters.
makoforce059 (6:27:09 PM): but there is always a chance of a misfire but that just if your lucky
pierce7d (6:27:42 PM): Yes. It's too unreliable to consider for MU discussion.
makoforce059 (6:28:07 PM): yea we already disscussed it on the boards
makoforce059 (6:28:24 PM): and snake really doesnt desrve 2nd though
pierce7d (6:28:53 PM): I agree
pierce7d (6:29:03 PM): I think Snake is the 5th best character
pierce7d (6:29:14 PM): His placings have been steadily declining
makoforce059 (6:29:27 PM): Yes. Ally mostly uses MK now
pierce7d (6:29:40 PM): No, Ally uses mostly Snake, but he sometimes resorts to MK.
makoforce059 (6:29:56 PM): but his results are not good lately
makoforce059 (6:30:06 PM): marth should go up i think
pierce7d (6:30:34 PM): I think Marth is right behind Snake
pierce7d (6:30:38 PM): My top 6 pick is
pierce7d (6:30:45 PM): MK, Diddy, Falco, IC, Snake, Marth
makoforce059 (6:30:59 PM): Eh i think falco is over diddy
makoforce059 (6:31:07 PM): not by much though
makoforce059 (6:31:22 PM): like || much
pierce7d (6:31:47 PM): I change my mind a lot, but right now I'm debating Diddy vs MK in my mind.
makoforce059 (6:31:58 PM): diddy wins i think
makoforce059 (6:32:23 PM): if you really think about it Jason it the best MK but when Jasonmeets a diddy he loses
makoforce059 (6:32:46 PM): he fears diddy
pierce7d (6:32:47 PM): I think Diddy wins the MU, I'm trying to decide which character is better overall. It might be Diddy, but it might not. Tornado is silly.
makoforce059 (6:33:28 PM): Diddy is the only character that can make tornado useless with one banana
makoforce059 (6:33:47 PM): DI sheild up and buffer a glidetoss when its over
pierce7d (6:34:07 PM): Eh, a lot of characters are really good at punishing tornado.
pierce7d (6:34:38 PM): Marth, for instance.
makoforce059 (6:34:47 PM): up and counter
makoforce059 (6:34:50 PM): up B
pierce7d (6:34:50 PM): Tornado is misunderstood by most players.
makoforce059 (6:35:16 PM): its not high priority but it is a multiple of hitboxes
pierce7d (6:35:42 PM): I meant it's usage, not it's physics.
makoforce059 (6:35:57 PM): damage builder or punisher
makoforce059 (6:36:00 PM): or both
pierce7d (6:38:49 PM): Well
pierce7d (6:39:10 PM): The key is knowing when your opponent is going to be able to choose an option that beats Nado
makoforce059 (6:39:39 PM): yea that what i was getting to diddys is the most consistent because diddy is always using bananas
makoforce059 (6:40:07 PM): luigi on the other hand he can beat nado with upsmash but luigi isnt on the ground much
pierce7d (6:41:03 PM): Right. Understanding how and when to use Nado, and how to counter the Nado when MK is going to use it is a big part of the MU.
makoforce059 (6:41:16 PM): Right
makoforce059 (6:42:01 PM): marth has two options to beat the nado but they usually dont unless they bait it or see it coming because hos are reliable but not consistent in using
makoforce059 (6:42:09 PM): *his
pierce7d (6:42:29 PM): Marth actually has 5 moves which break tornado, and can punish it after blocking it with Dancing Blade.
makoforce059 (6:42:41 PM): 5 does DB beat it
makoforce059 (6:42:54 PM): i didnt think trancended moves beat it
pierce7d (6:42:59 PM): Well, 6 if you count DB, but the spacing is unreliable
pierce7d (6:43:05 PM): All transcended moves beat it
makoforce059 (6:43:17 PM): oh yea falcos lazers lol
pierce7d (6:43:23 PM): That's why lasers and bananas work, lol
pierce7d (6:44:42 PM): Fsmash, Usmash, Shieldbreaker, Counter, and UpB all work, but the timing and the spacing are difficult for most moves.
makoforce059 (6:44:59 PM): right
makoforce059 (6:45:10 PM): he get really close also
pierce7d (6:46:34 PM): Yes. Did you have anymore questions?
makoforce059 (6:46:43 PM): um no more
makoforce059 (6:47:01 PM): uou are like the only person i can have a intellighent debate with
makoforce059 (6:47:05 PM): *you
pierce7d (6:47:31 PM): Alright, well in that case, I'm going to log off, but if you DO have anymore questions, feel free to send them to me on Smashboards, or come to the Chat session next Wednesday!
makoforce059 (6:47:37 PM): one more would it be thesible to release another one after MLG season
makoforce059 (6:47:44 PM): tier list
makoforce059 (6:47:48 PM): and ok thanks
pierce7d (6:48:06 PM): Tier list gets updated twice a year.3
pierce7d (6:48:21 PM): This one came out maybe a month ago, so it'll be a while before the next one.
makoforce059 (6:48:24 PM): ok then
pierce7d (6:48:39 PM): Take care!
makoforce059 (6:48:44 PM): you too
makoforce059 (5:54:48 PM): hello im here for the BBR chat
pierce7d (5:55:25 PM): Well, I've actually just closed down the main chat, but I'll definitely field your questions
makoforce059 (5:55:39 PM): ok its regarding the tier list
pierce7d (5:55:43 PM): Sure
makoforce059 (5:55:53 PM): why doesnt luigi go up
makoforce059 (5:56:05 PM): weve proven ourselves to go up
pierce7d (5:56:31 PM): Well, the tier list v5 was composed of most members individual lists.
pierce7d (5:56:46 PM): Most members of the BBR, including myself, feel that Luigi is around the right spot.
pierce7d (5:57:22 PM): I cannot speak for every person individually, but I feel that Luigi's weaknesses are easily exploited, and mainly garners wins off of gaps in his opponents' knowledge of the MU
makoforce059 (5:57:54 PM): but his tourney results are higher than alot of people above him
makoforce059 (5:58:48 PM): isnt that what tiers are made of
pierce7d (5:59:11 PM): Partially
pierce7d (5:59:21 PM): The tier list in not exclusively tourney placings.
pierce7d (5:59:33 PM): Some characters are more popular than others, some characters have more skilled mains
makoforce059 (6:00:04 PM): well MK is all of the above
makoforce059 (6:00:08 PM): lol
pierce7d (6:00:14 PM): When making a tier list, we consider the abilities of the character, alongside their placings, their MUs, and their likelyhood to run into favorable MUs or disadvantaged MUs.
pierce7d (6:00:21 PM): Yes, which is why he's at the top
makoforce059 (6:00:44 PM): well potetial wise luigi is at least mid C tier
makoforce059 (6:01:01 PM): and he goes pretty good with people that are not MK and marth
makoforce059 (6:01:23 PM): but as a community I believe we dont have common knowledge of our charcater though
makoforce059 (6:01:33 PM): like said marth boards
pierce7d (6:03:08 PM): Well, I've personally fought Big Lou and Boss
makoforce059 (6:03:15 PM): did u win
pierce7d (6:03:33 PM): We've traded games.
makoforce059 (6:03:35 PM): Biglou is really talented
pierce7d went away at 6:03:46 PM
pierce7d (6:04:06 PM): Yeah, he is
pierce7d (6:04:38 PM): I think Luigi might have some space to grow, but he's extremely limited both offensively and defensively.
makoforce059 (6:04:54 PM): or Fox his rise to a lot of people in the community will never be justified
makoforce059 (6:05:31 PM): just because TKD beat tyrant
makoforce059 (6:05:51 PM): foxes really never place nationals
pierce7d (6:06:24 PM): I think Fox is an extemely underrated and underdeveloped character. I've been thinking about learning him personally. I voted Fox pretty high up.
makoforce059 (6:06:36 PM): ive tried him out
pierce7d (6:07:35 PM): He's a very difficult character.
makoforce059 (6:07:50 PM): he was pretty fun but he runs into alot of disadvantaged MU's falco coming first
pierce7d (6:08:06 PM): Eh
makoforce059 (6:08:08 PM): and MK, marth,
pierce7d (6:08:11 PM): I think Fox beats Falco
makoforce059 (6:08:15 PM): really
makoforce059 (6:08:23 PM): earlier kills
pierce7d (6:08:28 PM): I think Fox does extremely well against MK, and wins on some neutrals
pierce7d (6:08:53 PM): Against Marth, if you get the lead, it's not hard to hold it.
pierce7d (6:09:01 PM): Neither MU is unwinnable.
pierce7d (6:09:11 PM): Pikachu is very hard, but is rare.
makoforce059 (6:09:26 PM): i forgot about pikachu lol
makoforce059 (6:09:52 PM): well luigi and fox i think go about 55:45
makoforce059 (6:09:59 PM): i think
pierce7d (6:11:32 PM): It's hard to call. It's a weird MU.
makoforce059 (6:11:43 PM): they both kill eac other early
makoforce059 (6:11:51 PM): luigi has combos
makoforce059 (6:11:56 PM): fox has lazers
makoforce059 (6:12:28 PM): but luigi has priority and fox is kinda easy to approach
makoforce059 (6:12:43 PM): and gimping him is not easy as vice versa
pierce7d (6:13:15 PM): I think Fox is difficult to approach at high levels of play.
makoforce059 (6:13:27 PM): why so?
makoforce059 (6:16:23 PM): i know fox is fast and all but they will just try to dance around us and make us throw out moves
makoforce059 (6:16:39 PM): but if we already know that then it wont work
pierce7d (6:17:28 PM): That's a very, very unspecific level of theory you have going on there.
pierce7d (6:17:45 PM): It's impossible for me to argue against that kind of statement.
makoforce059 (6:17:46 PM): well its a little biased lol
pierce7d (6:18:24 PM): You're assuming you know what Fox's limits are, and that you know what Foxes will do
pierce7d (6:18:43 PM): And you're assuming you know the limits of your own character
makoforce059 (6:18:50 PM): nah i dont but alot of characters are scared of luigi
pierce7d (6:18:57 PM): Instead, keep an open mind, and consider that you still have a lot to learn
pierce7d (6:19:05 PM): Also, a character cannot be scared.
makoforce059 (6:19:30 PM): i mean it like they are scared once he gets close
makoforce059 (6:19:41 PM): people i mean
pierce7d (6:21:17 PM): This helps Luigi as a character. He has a tool which initiates fear, allowing him to capitalize on defense.
makoforce059 (6:21:26 PM): up B
makoforce059 (6:22:02 PM): IMO he is more of a bait and read kinda characater
pierce7d (6:22:17 PM): I agree.
pierce7d (6:22:38 PM): DownB allows him to break zoning, while UpB allows him to punish mistakes massively
pierce7d (6:22:49 PM): And a combo game coupled with good kill power makes him a dynamic tool
makoforce059 (6:23:01 PM): but no sheild game lol
makoforce059 (6:23:08 PM): no traction
pierce7d (6:23:23 PM): However lack of disjoints and mobility make him easy to keep out, once you've acknowledged how he can use his lack of traction to his advantage
pierce7d (6:23:27 PM): Precisely.
makoforce059 (6:23:58 PM): he can punish all most all mistakes. even simple ones as rolling and spotdodging
makoforce059 (6:24:11 PM): yea no disjoints
makoforce059 (6:24:18 PM): no mobility
pierce7d (6:24:58 PM): Luigi is probably the most dangerous character once he gets in your face, but the ease of keeping him out, coupled with the ease of edgeguarding him and juggling him plants him solidly in midtier IMO
makoforce059 (6:25:43 PM): yea but not many characters can reliably edgegaurd him though besides MK and marth
makoforce059 (6:26:00 PM): and he does get walled out by simple things like snakes grenades
pierce7d (6:26:33 PM): I disagree. I find Luigi to be edgeguardable with most characters.
makoforce059 (6:27:09 PM): but there is always a chance of a misfire but that just if your lucky
pierce7d (6:27:42 PM): Yes. It's too unreliable to consider for MU discussion.
makoforce059 (6:28:07 PM): yea we already disscussed it on the boards
makoforce059 (6:28:24 PM): and snake really doesnt desrve 2nd though
pierce7d (6:28:53 PM): I agree
pierce7d (6:29:03 PM): I think Snake is the 5th best character
pierce7d (6:29:14 PM): His placings have been steadily declining
makoforce059 (6:29:27 PM): Yes. Ally mostly uses MK now
pierce7d (6:29:40 PM): No, Ally uses mostly Snake, but he sometimes resorts to MK.
makoforce059 (6:29:56 PM): but his results are not good lately
makoforce059 (6:30:06 PM): marth should go up i think
pierce7d (6:30:34 PM): I think Marth is right behind Snake
pierce7d (6:30:38 PM): My top 6 pick is
pierce7d (6:30:45 PM): MK, Diddy, Falco, IC, Snake, Marth
makoforce059 (6:30:59 PM): Eh i think falco is over diddy
makoforce059 (6:31:07 PM): not by much though
makoforce059 (6:31:22 PM): like || much
pierce7d (6:31:47 PM): I change my mind a lot, but right now I'm debating Diddy vs MK in my mind.
makoforce059 (6:31:58 PM): diddy wins i think
makoforce059 (6:32:23 PM): if you really think about it Jason it the best MK but when Jasonmeets a diddy he loses
makoforce059 (6:32:46 PM): he fears diddy
pierce7d (6:32:47 PM): I think Diddy wins the MU, I'm trying to decide which character is better overall. It might be Diddy, but it might not. Tornado is silly.
makoforce059 (6:33:28 PM): Diddy is the only character that can make tornado useless with one banana
makoforce059 (6:33:47 PM): DI sheild up and buffer a glidetoss when its over
pierce7d (6:34:07 PM): Eh, a lot of characters are really good at punishing tornado.
pierce7d (6:34:38 PM): Marth, for instance.
makoforce059 (6:34:47 PM): up and counter
makoforce059 (6:34:50 PM): up B
pierce7d (6:34:50 PM): Tornado is misunderstood by most players.
makoforce059 (6:35:16 PM): its not high priority but it is a multiple of hitboxes
pierce7d (6:35:42 PM): I meant it's usage, not it's physics.
makoforce059 (6:35:57 PM): damage builder or punisher
makoforce059 (6:36:00 PM): or both
pierce7d (6:38:49 PM): Well
pierce7d (6:39:10 PM): The key is knowing when your opponent is going to be able to choose an option that beats Nado
makoforce059 (6:39:39 PM): yea that what i was getting to diddys is the most consistent because diddy is always using bananas
makoforce059 (6:40:07 PM): luigi on the other hand he can beat nado with upsmash but luigi isnt on the ground much
pierce7d (6:41:03 PM): Right. Understanding how and when to use Nado, and how to counter the Nado when MK is going to use it is a big part of the MU.
makoforce059 (6:41:16 PM): Right
makoforce059 (6:42:01 PM): marth has two options to beat the nado but they usually dont unless they bait it or see it coming because hos are reliable but not consistent in using
makoforce059 (6:42:09 PM): *his
pierce7d (6:42:29 PM): Marth actually has 5 moves which break tornado, and can punish it after blocking it with Dancing Blade.
makoforce059 (6:42:41 PM): 5 does DB beat it
makoforce059 (6:42:54 PM): i didnt think trancended moves beat it
pierce7d (6:42:59 PM): Well, 6 if you count DB, but the spacing is unreliable
pierce7d (6:43:05 PM): All transcended moves beat it
makoforce059 (6:43:17 PM): oh yea falcos lazers lol
pierce7d (6:43:23 PM): That's why lasers and bananas work, lol
pierce7d (6:44:42 PM): Fsmash, Usmash, Shieldbreaker, Counter, and UpB all work, but the timing and the spacing are difficult for most moves.
makoforce059 (6:44:59 PM): right
makoforce059 (6:45:10 PM): he get really close also
pierce7d (6:46:34 PM): Yes. Did you have anymore questions?
makoforce059 (6:46:43 PM): um no more
makoforce059 (6:47:01 PM): uou are like the only person i can have a intellighent debate with
makoforce059 (6:47:05 PM): *you
pierce7d (6:47:31 PM): Alright, well in that case, I'm going to log off, but if you DO have anymore questions, feel free to send them to me on Smashboards, or come to the Chat session next Wednesday!
makoforce059 (6:47:37 PM): one more would it be thesible to release another one after MLG season
makoforce059 (6:47:44 PM): tier list
makoforce059 (6:47:48 PM): and ok thanks
pierce7d (6:48:06 PM): Tier list gets updated twice a year.3
pierce7d (6:48:21 PM): This one came out maybe a month ago, so it'll be a while before the next one.
makoforce059 (6:48:24 PM): ok then
pierce7d (6:48:39 PM): Take care!
makoforce059 (6:48:44 PM): you too
makoforce
Smash Ace
i think we might have hyped our character up too much. But our boards our definately the most trill.
I'm sorry guys, I really can't keep playing Luigi anymore. Playing my crewmate today who used MK and used to main Luigi made me realize that once people know the matchup, its over. MK has waaaay too many tools to abuse Luigi's weaknesses and edgeguards him waay too easily.
Also mako, I read your conversation with pierce. Luigi does not approach Fox easily at ALL >_>... I play NAKAT the best fox in the EC alot and I can personally tell you that approaching him is hell every time. Approaching anyone with a good camping game is and should be hell for any Luigi player.
Sorry guys, if you have any Luigi questions you can still ask me and I may pop in to add to discussion or help answer questions.. But I just can't do it anymore. Good luck to the rest of you!!
Also mako, I read your conversation with pierce. Luigi does not approach Fox easily at ALL >_>... I play NAKAT the best fox in the EC alot and I can personally tell you that approaching him is hell every time. Approaching anyone with a good camping game is and should be hell for any Luigi player.
Sorry guys, if you have any Luigi questions you can still ask me and I may pop in to add to discussion or help answer questions.. But I just can't do it anymore. Good luck to the rest of you!!
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
i dont see why dont u use ur pocket mk for just mk
and use luigi for rest of the roster lol
and use luigi for rest of the roster lol
NAKAT
Smash Champion
You are stupid. MK is the only character that you are having a problem with as Luigi. You have about two-three characters that you can use to fight MK. Main Luigi and use them for MK it's that simple. Remember when I was first coming up and you kept telling me Fox is bad he can't beat this and can't do that and lets not forget when you use to pile drive me with Luigi and gimp me consistently. I learned and overcame it so stop being sour and practice Jesus.
Pierce laying down that tough *** logic.
too many people have a pocket MK nowadays, and even then players are slowly learning the matchup.. its just not fun for me anymore.
@NAKAT: N!gga stfu ur the one that ***** me leave me alone lol. Nah but real talk Luigi's just not fun for me anymore... Idk what it is but I think I may just use him for fun and MMs now like I use Snake/Marth/Wario.
NAKAT
Smash Champion
You change mains every week and you've been doing it for the past year. You need to stop settle down with a character so you can fully progress with them like I have been doing since the game came out. Just rotating isn't gonna help you improve. You still shouldn't give up on Luigi either.
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
i mean its pretty obvious and well known fact that if the opponent knows the luigi mu, luigi is completely shut down pretty simple stuff
plus both of u are training partners, both of u know each others styles and habits, that isnt surprising either *****h xD
i might as well donate my luigi swag to u jesus, cuz u need it, luigi swag is like automatic swag energy that motivates u to eat mks for breakfast
plus both of u are training partners, both of u know each others styles and habits, that isnt surprising either *****h xD
i might as well donate my luigi swag to u jesus, cuz u need it, luigi swag is like automatic swag energy that motivates u to eat mks for breakfast
LuigiKing
Smash Lord
Swag energy lmao I love you hippie
But really MK ruins this game for luigi mains. Its not worth becoming proficient in two characters just so you can beat MK, when you could just main someone other than luigi and only have to worry about learning one character.
Time to learn some pika.
But really MK ruins this game for luigi mains. Its not worth becoming proficient in two characters just so you can beat MK, when you could just main someone other than luigi and only have to worry about learning one character.
Time to learn some pika.
Sovereign
Game Reaper
Pika's a pretty good choice, although he doesn't eliminate the Marth MU for you guys. Pika is a very solid character.
lmao luigi swag. I'd love you forever if you did that hippie, but its not nescessary. I swear I'd put my tag as 4Hip! if you did that though lol
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
u no im down niggy,
i swear i think this community is going to die since everyone has that mk is unbeatable mentality, many players have fallen to quitting, pocket mks, being gay in real life, being virgins, being dumb etc etc.
like if u know u have a mk in ur bracket
u might as well find ur opponent , and upb him in real life, to save u the trouble of rage quitting
i swear i think this community is going to die since everyone has that mk is unbeatable mentality, many players have fallen to quitting, pocket mks, being gay in real life, being virgins, being dumb etc etc.
like if u know u have a mk in ur bracket
u might as well find ur opponent , and upb him in real life, to save u the trouble of rage quitting
NAKAT
Smash Champion
MK is beatable enough said.
$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$
Smash Lord
I didn't know Luigi got swag, does he?
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BigLøu
Smash Lord
The problem is that each single character in brawl is much more limited in the game due to have less options. Sometimes it becomes a matter of simply just spacing with no means of approach.*****es step your game up and **** MKs
This is why Luigi will never beat mk, mk can put himself in every situation in a dominant aspect in his favor. Luigi is not safe vs mk grounded, nor in the air, nor trying to gimp him, or even trying to camp him. You can't be close or far away from him, there isn't a zone of being safe. Half the match up is running away and finding an opening, but he is way too frame safe in the match up.
That post mang0 made was in apr. 09, you think we would have figured out something by then. Snakes dominance was barely 3 months, before mk stepped in and every since snakes been degrading? Why? Because he has very obvious and exploitable weakness, and because we learned as a community to find out and discuss things we are overlooking. Snake vs mk was once nearly in snakes favor, now his matchups are just getting worse in general and a lot of people feel he isn't the second best any more.
Keep in mind, if mk had a counter I would not care that he made luigi nonviable. I accept his flaws and obviously try to find a way around anything. I've been able to sit down and analyze every single match up, figure out a perfect game plan with appropriate moves to use in each situation.
Guess who I still can't figure out?
The Luigi mk match up is random. There really isn't anything to discuss, we don't HAVE anything on the character and the only way we are going to win is if the mk messes up HORRIBLY. Like when I say horribly, he has to be borderline brain dead. It's just safe pokes that wall out, I don't blame the Luigi boards giving up on the character.
Why not pick mk to begin with?
He is beatable if the player makes too many mistakes
Look at it like this. Luigis ground game compared to MK's ground game is that of Popo's...
Today I walled a popo out with one move; Dtilt. if you dtilt just outside of popo's range what can popo do? Nothing. Everything he tries to do MK can react to and punish.
Its the same story for Luigi.. Sweet Pea from Japan did something to my Luigi before APEX that made me realize that a grounded MK is so safe against Luigi that as Lou said, if you have a brain you will win. He Dtilt and Ftilt zoned me... I could do NOTHING. If I went into the air, I would gain nothing because he wouldn't react... he already had the positional advantage and nothing Luigi could do in the air would change that..
I'm sorry but you can't just "Man up" and find a way around a character that has an answer to everything your character can do. And quite a simple answer at that... standing just outside of Luigi's range isn't anything too hard to do ;(
Today I walled a popo out with one move; Dtilt. if you dtilt just outside of popo's range what can popo do? Nothing. Everything he tries to do MK can react to and punish.
Its the same story for Luigi.. Sweet Pea from Japan did something to my Luigi before APEX that made me realize that a grounded MK is so safe against Luigi that as Lou said, if you have a brain you will win. He Dtilt and Ftilt zoned me... I could do NOTHING. If I went into the air, I would gain nothing because he wouldn't react... he already had the positional advantage and nothing Luigi could do in the air would change that..
I'm sorry but you can't just "Man up" and find a way around a character that has an answer to everything your character can do. And quite a simple answer at that... standing just outside of Luigi's range isn't anything too hard to do ;(
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
this is what happens when a fellow luigi is knocked out by a MK; the aftermath
BigLøu
Smash Lord
lmao.
I was put into a temporary coma, and was dizzy after being tornadoed everywhere xD
I was put into a temporary coma, and was dizzy after being tornadoed everywhere xD
Sovereign
Game Reaper
R.I.P Big Lou.
Sovereign
Game Reaper
That would signify that he was JV 4 stocked, and utterly annihilated.
Chaosgriffin
Smash Ace
Lol
Oh man Big Lou, i was looking around and it turns out that you have your own font o.O
http://fontso.com/?page=5
Should be in the 3rd row 19th one down. Just thought you should submit all your papers in that font lol.
Oh man Big Lou, i was looking around and it turns out that you have your own font o.O
http://fontso.com/?page=5
Should be in the 3rd row 19th one down. Just thought you should submit all your papers in that font lol.
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i used to have yorstat from that page. middle column, 6 above biglou
i used to have yorstat from that page. middle column, 6 above biglou
boss8
Smash Hero
you guys hafe to also remember this is M2K i mean this dude jus plain *****......
i think playing him for countless hours made me realize when i have the openings to hit MK and when i dnt...i would hafe to play extremely safe...and get the damage when i can.....
but my options where so limited when i was offstage....
i mean everytime i went offstage...i died.....
look at biglou vs doom biglou ***** doom (from what i saw)
then doom decided to be MK and gay the hell out of him....
either way MK is gay and is up on us....but watching vids and tryna learn stuff doesnt mean anything if the character already can jus decide to **** us anyway....
u guys might as well pick up a secondary for MK and other matchups ur having trouble with....but dnt mind me imma jus stick wit weegee and GaW for everything....i know it will be hard but hey...the challenge is just half the fun i have in this gay campy game...
i think playing him for countless hours made me realize when i have the openings to hit MK and when i dnt...i would hafe to play extremely safe...and get the damage when i can.....
but my options where so limited when i was offstage....
i mean everytime i went offstage...i died.....
look at biglou vs doom biglou ***** doom (from what i saw)
then doom decided to be MK and gay the hell out of him....
either way MK is gay and is up on us....but watching vids and tryna learn stuff doesnt mean anything if the character already can jus decide to **** us anyway....
u guys might as well pick up a secondary for MK and other matchups ur having trouble with....but dnt mind me imma jus stick wit weegee and GaW for everything....i know it will be hard but hey...the challenge is just half the fun i have in this gay campy game...
Famous
Smash Champion
People are trying to win money though...