Sonic The Hedgedawg
Smash Hero
so I'm hoping that this thread can stick around once the game hits american shores and we get more information on sonic and he's matchups. So far, I have only my experience to go off of, so I'm open to other opinions and some discussion. this first post will be pretty bare-bones, but once I get back to my college (with high speed internet) in a week, I hope to have enough input for a good edit.
all right... I haven't played against enough people who I deem "good enough" with all enough characters, so I'll only post what I've got.
Good Matchups
- Bowser: Most of bowser's attacks are really slow and have a good amount of lag after their execution. Sonic can take advantage of these frames of weakness for Bowser and punish him. Also, bowser is quite large, meaning that you are going to connect with a lot of attacks . The bad, however is that it will take a LOT of damage before sonic can reliably KO Bowser, and not much damage for bowser to KO sonic... so patience is the key. Don't think you'll just gimp his recovery though, because you can't penetrate his Up+B and his koopacide is always a threatif you try to hinder his recovery.
-DK: haven't played against him much, but so far, he's just a bowser that you can gimp... yay!
-Wolf: I'm not sticking by this one quite as strong, because I have yet to play a really good space animal, but I can't tell you how many times I've gimped wolf... guys who play against decent space animals with a decent sonic... let me know if you mirror this or not.
Even Matchups
-Dedede: Dedede is, on the whole, a better character than sonic, at least in our eyes so far, but he is big, and slow like bowser and DK. You can't really gimp his recovery aside from the occaional spring drop that leads to a stage spike, or edgehog from the hedgehog. Not to mention that sonic can spindash right trough waddle deees and waddle doos for an easy apporach. Despite all that sonic can do to dedede, however, dedede doesn't need to do much to KO a sonic, and that huge mallet gives him range that the other heavies don't have (besides Ike I guess)
-Ganondorf: ganondorf suffers the same problems as the other heavies, but has an easier time hitting sonic than most and is strong enough to KO him at really low damages. Sonic fares a little better against ganon than DDD in my experience, but a little worse than he does against Koopa or DK, so I'm not sure which category to put him in here.
Bad matchups
- Snake: Snake's stregth and weight makes him a pain to try to KO without being KOd yourself. Unless you deactivate his mines with a spring drop, they can really cramp your style. you can rack up damage on him while he's hanging from his cypher, and, if you are really lucky, you can gimp his cypher early on... but otherwise, he'll punish you for hurting him the second he realeases his cypher... luckily... your spin dash can render his remote rocket useless and you can use his grenades against him, but the fact that he has such an easy time KOing you while you have such a tough time KOing him makes him a pain to say the least.
-Toon Link: He's quick, his hitboxes are disjointed and high priority making it hard for sonic to connect and his projectiles make him hard to approach (except bombs, which you should be able to use against him.) His Dair should be a constant threat against your air game, and his ground game beats your too... so he'll be tough.
Ugly Matchups
-Luigi: He's stronger than sonic, his kill moves are faster than sonic's, he's heavier than sonic and his priority is RIDICULOUS making him hard to approach. I'm not quite sure, but I think that ANY of luigi's aerials can beat ANY of sonic's. As far as approaching with specail attacks, his tornado beats your spindashes. The fact that you can still Gimp his side B recovery is one of the few ways you can kill him besides a lucky Fsmash or Bair. I'm finding it hard to believe that any amount of skill can overcome a decent luigi's dominance in this matchup.
-Kirby: Same story as luigi basically. He might be less powerful, and lighter, but he's also nearly impossible to gimp and much harder to hit, so he balances to almost just as ugly a matchup. Prepare to get 3 stocked some.
all right... I haven't played against enough people who I deem "good enough" with all enough characters, so I'll only post what I've got.
Good Matchups
- Bowser: Most of bowser's attacks are really slow and have a good amount of lag after their execution. Sonic can take advantage of these frames of weakness for Bowser and punish him. Also, bowser is quite large, meaning that you are going to connect with a lot of attacks . The bad, however is that it will take a LOT of damage before sonic can reliably KO Bowser, and not much damage for bowser to KO sonic... so patience is the key. Don't think you'll just gimp his recovery though, because you can't penetrate his Up+B and his koopacide is always a threatif you try to hinder his recovery.
-DK: haven't played against him much, but so far, he's just a bowser that you can gimp... yay!
-Wolf: I'm not sticking by this one quite as strong, because I have yet to play a really good space animal, but I can't tell you how many times I've gimped wolf... guys who play against decent space animals with a decent sonic... let me know if you mirror this or not.
Even Matchups
-Dedede: Dedede is, on the whole, a better character than sonic, at least in our eyes so far, but he is big, and slow like bowser and DK. You can't really gimp his recovery aside from the occaional spring drop that leads to a stage spike, or edgehog from the hedgehog. Not to mention that sonic can spindash right trough waddle deees and waddle doos for an easy apporach. Despite all that sonic can do to dedede, however, dedede doesn't need to do much to KO a sonic, and that huge mallet gives him range that the other heavies don't have (besides Ike I guess)
-Ganondorf: ganondorf suffers the same problems as the other heavies, but has an easier time hitting sonic than most and is strong enough to KO him at really low damages. Sonic fares a little better against ganon than DDD in my experience, but a little worse than he does against Koopa or DK, so I'm not sure which category to put him in here.
Bad matchups
- Snake: Snake's stregth and weight makes him a pain to try to KO without being KOd yourself. Unless you deactivate his mines with a spring drop, they can really cramp your style. you can rack up damage on him while he's hanging from his cypher, and, if you are really lucky, you can gimp his cypher early on... but otherwise, he'll punish you for hurting him the second he realeases his cypher... luckily... your spin dash can render his remote rocket useless and you can use his grenades against him, but the fact that he has such an easy time KOing you while you have such a tough time KOing him makes him a pain to say the least.
-Toon Link: He's quick, his hitboxes are disjointed and high priority making it hard for sonic to connect and his projectiles make him hard to approach (except bombs, which you should be able to use against him.) His Dair should be a constant threat against your air game, and his ground game beats your too... so he'll be tough.
Ugly Matchups
-Luigi: He's stronger than sonic, his kill moves are faster than sonic's, he's heavier than sonic and his priority is RIDICULOUS making him hard to approach. I'm not quite sure, but I think that ANY of luigi's aerials can beat ANY of sonic's. As far as approaching with specail attacks, his tornado beats your spindashes. The fact that you can still Gimp his side B recovery is one of the few ways you can kill him besides a lucky Fsmash or Bair. I'm finding it hard to believe that any amount of skill can overcome a decent luigi's dominance in this matchup.
-Kirby: Same story as luigi basically. He might be less powerful, and lighter, but he's also nearly impossible to gimp and much harder to hit, so he balances to almost just as ugly a matchup. Prepare to get 3 stocked some.
