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It's less about "needing" the advertisement and more of "If Nintendo were to get from them the rights to use Banjo Kazooie/Tooie/Goldeneye/Perfect Dark/etc., there could be a deal pertaining to smash somewhere in there to help bring attention". I'm not saying that B-K is anywhere near a guarantee, but they definitely have a chance that is worth mentioning, unlike saying the Big N would somehow choose Kratos to be DLC.
most of the main mario cast is here, and splatoon 2 had many characters
I think people are forgetting why Piranha was probably added. Low polygon count. Incineroar as the final reveal for the base roster makes sense, because that looks like a technical nightmare. If there's anything that's clear to me about Ultimate it's that the easier to render a character, the more likely it's going to be in Smash. Isabelle is also a good example of this, and the several echo fighters that use the same base animation sets. Which is why I'm personally high on the idea of Bandana Waddle-Dee, Jibanyan, K.K Slider, Chief Kawasaki, Toad, and Slime becoming characters.
Luigi is the Luigi's Mansion 3 character. And if Rex is too new even for DLC, why aren't Meltan and Edlegard?
Whose edgelord?
One of the three main heros in Three Thrones. She wields an axe and uses magic so of course most of the Fire Emblem fandom has attached itself to her like a koala with separation anxiety. I think they're setting themselves up for heartbreak, just like they did with Lynn and Hector for Smash in the Brawl days.
I get this feeling too. I'm sure they noted the backlash against Corrin in the last one, so I don't know if they're going to go for a repeat of that with Edelgard. Add to that the Sakurai did look at the list, and he probably is going to discourage more Fire Emblems since he thought it was overrepped before Corrin, and then they still got another clone. Other promotions, though...I'm sure the suits will hope at least one is, but with Rex and Spring Man seemingly out, it does raise questions.
Noctis is probably out of the running based on recent events. Yeesh. I guess I’ll change my predictions.
Vergeben himself has dismissed the possibility of Katalina becoming playable, claiming that the negotiations fell through.
Not sure that it matters or not, but Twintelle and Min Min are Spirits. I'm *not* one of those people that tote the idea that a Spirit can't be DLC, though ARMS was released a few months before Xenoblade Chronicles 2, which was apparently too late for Rex to make the game. But maybe Sakurai just meant the base roster, so who knows!
Seriously, give it a rest. It's not happening
You got a source for that?
It was posted earlier in the thread but here it is again:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77162181/911785222
Pretty much, Nintendo would have to pay out to get the rights to use those characters, Ryu and Cloud are only here because Sakurai wanted them and Cloud is popular. Bayonetta is an odd case but given Bayo 2's exclusivity and their close relationship with platinum the deal was more beneficial than not. If it's all up to nintendo it makes far more sense for them to use characters that they own in order to satisy fan demand or promote upcoming games.
Fatmanonice
. I think most of the DLC will be from more recent games. I'll add a list of characters as well, but before doing that, we need to look at what Nintendo actually does. Too many people see "Nintendo making the DLC. OK" and then proceed to make a list of Rayman, Steve and the Doomguy. There is a lot of assumptions about how Nintendo thinks, but let's see how they actually think
Fatmanonice
was saying. Nintendo sees Smash as promoting their IPs. With them picking the characters, I expect they will again prioritize their own characters over guest characters and the characters will likely be tied to a recent game. Nintendo adds more characters (which people want) and they can further push their own titles. Its a win-win
I don't get what you mean by this. Care to elaborate??
A lot of people don't like Bandana Dee because they don't see him as interesting. Its the whole Hat Goomba thing. While he has a fan base, he also has a lot of people that don't like him mostly because they find him dull. Magalor solves a lot of the issues people have with Bandana Dee.
I don't think Nintendo would really care that a small minority on the internet find him dull and uninteresting. You could say that about any character like Piranha Plant for existence but now they are a unique Smasher. If you want to see an idea you can look at the moveset I made on the Bandana Dee thread recently.
Yet Bandanna Dee would introduce a moveset that haven't been seen in Smash yet: spears
I wouldn't say its small. The Hat Goomba threads were pretty common on 4Chan and I hear a lot of Dee supporters bring it up. While yes, Piranha Plant is an out there character, Mario is a far bigger series so a random mook can be a star. Kirby doesn't have that as much. And Dee can have a very interesting moveset, but the people who dislike him don't do so for that reason. My argument comes down to this: Magolor fills the same role as Dee. Both are in Star Allies. Both are popular with the fanbase. Both are requested in Japan. But Magalor is a bit more interesting and doesn't have Dee's stigma.
4Chan is mostly trolls anyway who hate on any character because it isn't their most wanted. Bandana Dee has a huge popularity in the West and Japan. I don't hear anyone really talk about Magolor anymore. Also they really seem to be pushing Dee in advertising and merch a lot more than Magolor. Bandana Dee has developed enough of a character where he is much more than a random mook. Just because he is the same species it doesn't mean anything.
Rather than going back and forth on this, let me try and sum it up. If Magalor gets in, it wouldn't surprise me. If Dee gets it, it wouldn't surprise me either. It could go either way as, like I said, they do the same thing. I think it's easy to dismiss criticism like "Oh, these people are just trolls," but I can say that the Hat Goomba thing matters because I see a ton of Dee fans try to argue against it on Twitter (not saying I agree one way or another). They try to argue against it because its something people do see. Again, it's easier for Mario to get away with it because its Mario and it sells millions. Kirby doesn't. So when you are talking about Bandana Dee, I think your typical fan may find him more boring just based on design and, in part, abilities (not sure how much "he has a spear" adds). Regardless, it's tomato tommato in my eyes.
How the heck isn't Dixie Kong on this list? But Banjo & Kazooie are? I'm sorry but people put too much stock into an N64 classic. Something we have no idea exists! I doubt Nintendo will partner with Microsoft to bring a character in Smash. Yes Minecraft is on Switch but it's also on everything else. I'm sure it's coming to my toaster next week. Yes they were buddy-buddy with crossplay but now Sony has jumped on board as well (at least with Fortnite) and it was all just a marketing ploy to throw some shade at Sony (the current console leader at the moment).First, I agree with
1) Nintendo Prioritizes Their Own Content or Non-Gaming Content - A great example of what I'm talking about is Super Mario Maker. The game has Mystery Mushrooms which turn Mario into different characters. Most of these are references to a ton of different Nintendo games. Of all of these, there are only a few third party costumes. This includes the three Smash amiibos (Sonic, Pac-Man and Megaman, the others don't have one) and the Felyne from Monster Hunter. However, Mario Maker also has the the host of GameCenter CX, Hello Kitty (two in fact), the GLA, Babymetal, Chitoge Kirisaki, characters from Corocoro and Famitsu (Magazines in Japan) and Shaun the Sheep. Splatoon is similar. While there are tons of promotional Splatfest, there was only one referencing another game company: a Japanese-Only one for Dragon Quest. Yet Japan has ones for food brands all the time. There have also been others for anime and in the US we had some for Spongebob and another for TMNT. Usually, if characters from other games appear in a Nintendo one, it was either made by another company (see Mario Hoops of Mario Kart Arcade) or it was a Smash amiibo.
2)Nintendo Sees Smash As a Way to Promote Their Own IPs - I want to show you something. This is from Nintendo's most recent investors briefing.
The Smash Bros. series titles are special to our company because it is the place where the characters of Nintendo's main titles come together. Many consumers discover Nintendo games they never knew about through the Smash Bros. series, so if Smash Bros. is spread wide across our consumer base, it will, by extension, also enhance the appeal of our overall IP.
This partially proves what
With that in mind, here are my 5 picks:
Rex and Pyra - If you watch the Direct, you can kind of tell it was a big oops moment. Sakurai mentions that "Oh, see heres a Rex costume. Sorry we missed him. Oh, there is also music and Xenoblade spirits too. Don't be mad." Rex is actually a pretty popular character in Japan and over here as well. Thus the apology. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 likely exceeded Nintendo's expectations which prompted the costume. I think he's a prime candidate for Smash.
Magolor - Similar to Rex, Kirby characters are very popular over in Japan, and many feel the series is under represented. Magolor is some what of a fan favorite and its a character that has made multiple appearances in the series. He's also a Dream Friend in Kirby Star Allies. I'm mostly choosing him over Bandana Dee as there is more he could do that separates him from other characters and it's less polarizing than Dee. I think a lot of Dee's fans would still be happy and those who aren't big fans of Kirby can appreciate a unique and different character. It's also a bit of a surprise as people don't expect him.
Min Min - Same as Fatmanonice mentioned, its a newer series and it's actually requested to be in Smash. Min Min is one of the fan favorites of the series so while Spring Man is an assist, you can sub her in instead. She also has more to work with with her kicks and dragon arms. Other possibilities are Twintelle, Ribbon Girl, and Spring Man (with Springtron doing an Alfanso with the AT spot).
Excitebiker - This is the exception to the rule. While Nintendo may try and do recent characters, they also love to reference their past. If its not the NES Zappers in Splatoon, its Takamaru's Ninja Castle or Excitebike track in Mario Kart. Nintendo loves its past. Excitebike is one of the most popular NES games so its a perfect fit. Its even available as part of the NES classic
New Character from an Unseen IP - So here me out on this one. Nintendo has been making more IPs recently. Splatoon in 2015, ARMS in 2017, Dragalia Lost in 2018. Moreover, 2019 is poised to be a huge year as numerous teams are working on different games. Outside of Animal Crossing and another Mario Kart, most of Nintendo big games have been hit. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo has a brand new IP ready for 2019. And what better way to promote it by having a character in Smash. I expect this character would release at the very end around the end of 2019 or early 2020.
Honorable Mentions - Some other possibilities
- Zelda Character - Nintendo loves Zelda and like Kirby there is a lot of demand for a new one. Nintendo also loves Zelda
- Octopath Traveler - I don't think its right to totally rule out third parties. This is one Nintendo had a hand in so it makes some sense. Plus great music
- Dragalia Lost MC - Same as a lot of the above. New character from a new game thats done rather well (BTW, I think his name is Elude? Might be wrong)
- Bandana Dee - Basically take my Magalor argument and sub him back in.
- Geno - Think it's possible as a heavy hitter. Gets people buying. Wont rule it out
- Banjo-Kazooie - I'm saying this one as Nintendo may try and release an N64 Classic in 2019. If so, they'll need the licenses from Rare, so this is a no-brainier.
Well, neither of them are on the list as Banjo is an honorable mention. I was putting characters I could reasonably see but may not happen. In Banjo's case, I could see him pushing DLC. It would make sense if Nintendo is already getting the rights to Rare games for an N64 classic so it would be a golden opportunity if that was the case. I could see the same for Kirby and Zelda pushing DLC as both are popular series with pent up demand. I can't see it for Dixie. I know a lot of DK fans like her, but for Smash she has never been exceptionally popular. Even for this game, people were suggesting her as an echo fighter rather than a full character.
People keep saying "They need the Rare license for the N64 classic" except no they really don't. The N64 classic probably won't get more than like 15 games on it. I could name a bunch of games that could be on the classic without Rare's permission.
for christ sake as an incentive to pre-order early. Apparently according to the eshop he worked as Smash Bros immediately became #1 on the eshop and has stayed there. Hell the bundle pack is in there as well so clearly a LOT of people already bought the DLC. So don't give me that crap that a character has to be high on a fan poll to sell.
