Well, up throw is certainly a borderline useless throw. Back throw is a bit better, and it has a few uses, but everything pales in comparison to down throw.
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The Essence of Wolf: A Guide to Wolf COMPLETELY REWRITTEN
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AssaultX
Smash Apprentice
I just noticed te guide forgot flash cancelling and light stepping in the AT's section :o
teekay
Smash Journeyman
No, you cannot go into any "combos" from back throw.
It's not much for gimping either since it sends the opponent upwards, which makes it easier for them to recover. Wolf's best and only throw for gimping is downthrow, and it's not that easy to do with that one.
The only reason I can think to use back throw if if your back is to the ledge and you really really want them off of it, but even then they can DI it to get over your head and onto the stage.
castorpollux
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back throw combos into illusion. I've seen it in a video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InqdBy86nE4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InqdBy86nE4
Turbo Ether
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Back throw, Fair. Back throw, regrab. Sub-10 percent, non-guaranteed mixup.
AssaultX
Smash Apprentice
I saw that a long time ago. It made my day even worse than it already was back then haha.
Anyway, B-throw to B-air might work as an additional, yet unguaranteed mixup, adding on to Turbo's possibilites...
castorpollux
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Btw, I was sarcastic. Don't ever back throw into side B lolol
Absoltrainer
Smash Rookie
One thing I want to point out (and this may already be common knowledge) but the dash attack is able to hit an opponet that is laying down on their back (before they get up) so if you are close enough when they fall on their back, you can use it to keep them from getting back on their feet.
Vorguen
Smash Champion
Only you would make a guide in which hurting yourself out of chaingrab percentage was a strategy... ROFL
But good job, I kind of feel like trying out the gimp on Falcos.
But good job, I kind of feel like trying out the gimp on Falcos.
PkTrainerCris
Smash Ace
Very nice guide!!
Its very complete, wolf is one of my secondaries and i would like to get better with him
Now i know why i couldnt use wolf so well... i had a lot of bad habits ( too much Nair, dash attack, bthrow, wolf illusion attacking andfire wolf approaching(this one because of the lulz, but still))... LOL, all of those mistakes mentioned in this thread
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Im sure this thread will help me get better, thanks for it.. and i still have to get better at some other stuff. like spiking and recovering, in which i have a lot of trouble... but i like a lot wolf's playstile and i think i will become very good with him :D
Its very complete, wolf is one of my secondaries and i would like to get better with him
Now i know why i couldnt use wolf so well... i had a lot of bad habits ( too much Nair, dash attack, bthrow, wolf illusion attacking andfire wolf approaching(this one because of the lulz, but still))... LOL, all of those mistakes mentioned in this thread
..Im sure this thread will help me get better, thanks for it.. and i still have to get better at some other stuff. like spiking and recovering, in which i have a lot of trouble... but i like a lot wolf's playstile and i think i will become very good with him :D
brawl_n00b
Smash Rookie
I think that the guide will help me become better with Wolf and stop using his illusion attack all the time, lol. His up smash his helpful in Multi Man Brawl as well (except cruel brawl ((not sure)) ).
Silver13
Smash Cadet
I really dont get how to Boost Smash. Before I press Up + Z I do a Dash Attack because the combo has a Dsmashin it. The Combo confuses me really... Dash > Dsmash > Up +Z, I just cant seem to do it =(
AssaultX
Smash Apprentice
It's actually not D-smash, its dash attack. Hence the alternate name, Dash-Attack Cancelled Up-Smash.
Maybe you got confused with the explanation. It's not actually the D-smash that you need to do, it's the input you do for the attack, which is c-stick down, or any other input you have based on your controller setting.
In other words, the input to boost smash should be Dash > C-stsick down > Up+Z. It doesn't have to be c-stick down, its just considered the easiest by many.
It's easier to get down with Snake and Link, since their timings are way easier than Wolf's,so practice with them first before trying Wolf.
Practice makes perfect
Wait so u Dash> hold the c-stick down> up + z at the same time?? if so i been doing wrong tooIt's actually not D-smash, its dash attack. Hence the alternate name, Dash-Attack Cancelled Up-Smash.
Maybe you got confused with the explanation. It's not actually the D-smash that you need to do, it's the input you do for the attack, which is c-stick down, or any other input you have based on your controller setting.
In other words, the input to boost smash should be Dash > C-stsick down > Up+Z. It doesn't have to be c-stick down, its just considered the easiest by many.
It's easier to get down with Snake and Link, since their timings are way easier than Wolf's,so practice with them first before trying Wolf.
Practice makes perfect
Also question, this may have been discussed but can u chain grab wolf's d-throw?
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
You have to be running first, then hit down on your C stick, which will start you in your dash attack. Then you hit up on the C stick and at the same time hit Z. It's tough to time though, I'm much more consistent with Snake's
You can tech chase the down throw. A tech chase is where you predict if your opponent will get up, roll, or get up attack, and act accordingly to get another grab and repeat.
Thanks for the tip...i thought u had to move the control stick up and then z
could it b done wit the Wii + Nunchuck? like snake with the tap smash?
thanks Ishiey....got to try that
Well, DAC CAN be done with wiichuch, but it's a lot more difficult than with GC. If you set your dpad to smashes, you can do it by dash > down on pad > up on pad. It's not easy, and you have to tap each one seperately (as in let it return to neutral before putting in the next command, like a c-stick).
wat about the "Z" on the GC...there is no grab need for W + N??
Well.......
You need a grab to charge it. If you set the taunt buttons to grab, maybe press them with your palm while using it? Lol. This is the one real problem with wiichuck, you can't grab comfortably outside of shieldgrabs. You could try setting C to grab, if you don't use it for jumping. But you can still use it without having it charged this way, take my word for it. Either way though, GC controller does it better.
EDIT: wait, this stuff should be posted in the Q&A sticky >_>
You need a grab to charge it. If you set the taunt buttons to grab, maybe press them with your palm while using it? Lol. This is the one real problem with wiichuck, you can't grab comfortably outside of shieldgrabs. You could try setting C to grab, if you don't use it for jumping. But you can still use it without having it charged this way, take my word for it. Either way though, GC controller does it better.
EDIT: wait, this stuff should be posted in the Q&A sticky >_>
MyCurse4Life
Smash Ace
I can't believe Wolf isi a heavy weight..
Alain
Smash Cadet
i loved this one keep up the good work i hope to see more from you
k so i wanna play wolf really badly, but i have a few problems, i can combo with him, i know a few AT'S, but the whole recovery part is what really really throws me off, sometimes his recovery for me is so bad that i cant figure out a way around it, ive watched the germ play, and somehow he gets around it really well, so any helpful advice or tips on a way around being gimped by my own recovery, it would be greatly appreciated
I learned recovery by going into training, hitting a dummy CPU offstage, going for the spike, and then making it back to the ledge. Try this for about a week straight, or something similar. Recovery just takes practice, it'll become second nature before you know it.
AssaultX
Smash Apprentice
You could also jump off the stage and put yourself in awkward angles off the stage and try to recover from there.
BIGM1994
Smash Champion
great thread,good for any wolf users
I3iNaRy
Smash Rookie
wolfs the best imo
UnifiedRebellion
Smash Rookie
Great thread here, Nice advice on Lasers, and .... Well lasers.. and such ^_^.
Luigi_Lova62
Smash Journeyman
Bless the man who made this Wolf Guide!
Thank you sir!
Thank you sir!
Slithe
Smash Apprentice
Unless you already said it on the first page (which I didn't know if you were referring to it when you mentioned aerials and tilts in the same section), I think a decent combo that seems to work when I play as Wolf is Bair into Ftilt. Since the Bair has virtually no landing lag (as does the Fair as long as you input the command at the initial startup of a SH, but that's risky in case you do it wrong and have to face landing lag) you can follow it up quickly with a Ftilt.
Otherwise, good guide!
Otherwise, good guide!
Malart
Smash Apprentice
In the AT section, i think you should mention illusion cancelling. It works with fox falco and wolf, but its most useful with wolf because:
A. Illusion has more of a start-up lag, so it gives the opponent time to start a punisher for when you get to them in the air
B.Wolf can do a full cancel, which slides him forward maybe half the full distance and still hits them at the very beginning
C.Wolf can also do a half cancel, which takes him about 3/4 of the full distance in the air, then upon landing, he slides so far that he actuall gets more distance
D.More fun mindgames
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the half cancel is also an AMAZING recovery move as it can almost double wolfs horizontal recovery if timed right, due to the fact that it no longer cancels the horizontal momentum
plus, the full cancel also preserves momentum, so if you fµ©k up the half cancel, you may still recover
A. Illusion has more of a start-up lag, so it gives the opponent time to start a punisher for when you get to them in the air
B.Wolf can do a full cancel, which slides him forward maybe half the full distance and still hits them at the very beginning
C.Wolf can also do a half cancel, which takes him about 3/4 of the full distance in the air, then upon landing, he slides so far that he actuall gets more distance
D.More fun mindgames
*Edit*
the half cancel is also an AMAZING recovery move as it can almost double wolfs horizontal recovery if timed right, due to the fact that it no longer cancels the horizontal momentum
plus, the full cancel also preserves momentum, so if you fµ©k up the half cancel, you may still recover
BIGM1994
Smash Champion
Thers more you can practice than just the wolf guide..some stuff is wrong like the fact u-air isnt affective..thats bull**** but this guide is great for beginners
=)@MePlz
Smash Apprentice
Well, you can use both, but most prefer Nair.
btw, Nair can continually hit them, making a more effective edgeguard. Shine only hits them once, but has more hitstun.
Luigi_Lova62
Smash Journeyman
I know theres more than jus the wolf guide.
Isn't there a wolf guide for like, pros or something?
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