The Definitive Lloyd Irving Thread - LLOYD SURVIVES THE SLAUGHTER!

Joined
Dec 18, 2016
Messages
551
I'm glad there was no Lloyd mii costume so he has still a chance in the second FP.
Yay, I'm happy about that.

But I'm thinking that we may only get two in fighters pass vol 2 that are only unlocked in the WOL by freeing 70 and 80 fighters, unless they have a new idea how to unlock DLC fighters in the WOL that were not in game and that were not spirits yet.
 

Ypsen

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Sep 5, 2018
Messages
78
Location
France
Welp, with the backlash of "another f****** sword character" and the fact that Sakurai is genuily aware of that (Sothis jokes about it in the trailer), I guess it's pretty safe to assume Sakurai won't do the mistake to announce another swordy for DLC 6, and wait a little for things to calm down a little.

But the thing I'm very concerned about, is Sakurai's quote about Twitter, saying he won't be able to satisfy the fan's recommandations...

I don't use Twitter... Do somebody here who follows actively Sakurais tweet's and comments know if Lloyd oftenly appears on these recommandations... ?

Now I'm reaaaaaally worried.
 

Nightguything

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Messages
126
Welp, with the backlash of "another f****** sword character" and the fact that Sakurai is genuily aware of that (Sothis jokes about it in the trailer), I guess it's pretty safe to assume Sakurai won't do the mistake to announce another swordy for DLC 6, and wait a little for things to calm down a little.

But the thing I'm very concerned about, is Sakurai's quote about Twitter, saying he won't be able to satisfy the fan's recommandations...

I don't use Twitter... Do somebody here who follows actively Sakurais tweet's and comments know if Lloyd oftenly appears on these recommandations... ?

Now I'm reaaaaaally worried.
I cannot stress this is enough but, A LOT of characters are requested via twitter, It’s mostly huge characters like Sora, master chief, doom guy etc. but I’m sure Lloyd was somewhere in there.

I wouldn’t read too much into it though, I’d say Lloyd’s chances haven’t really dwindled as he emphasized fun unique move sets are the quota and not if a character wields a sword or not.

I’m honestly just curious on what this big tales of news is that’s STILL yet to be revealed.
 
Last edited:

IWantMyBurd

Smash Rookie
Joined
Nov 25, 2019
Messages
12
I cannot stress this is enough but, A LOT of characters are requested via twitter, It’s mostly huge characters like Sora, master chief, doom guy etc. but I’m sure Lloyd was somewhere in there.

I wouldn’t read too much into it though, I’d say Lloyd’s chances haven’t really dwindled as he emphasized fun unique move sets are the quota and not if a character wields a sword or not.

I’m honestly just curious on what this big tales of news is that’s STILL yet to be revealed.
The evidence that was there before is still in play, as well. Scott Menville's NDA project and the trademarked Tales logo are still unaccounted for
 

Nightguything

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Messages
126
The evidence that was there before is still in play, as well. Scott Menville's NDA project and the trademarked Tales logo are still unaccounted for
Good call I almost forgot about it, I’d say that if this new Batman game that’s being teased comes out and Scott still hasn’t spoken up about it, that’d increase Lloyd’s likely hood by a fair bit.
 
Last edited:

VashTehStampede

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Sep 7, 2008
Messages
209
Location
Texas
Switch FC
8506-1485-4895
I am worried that with the inclusion of byleth, this mean we'll get another pokemon rep for sword and shield. I do however think now that we know sakurai doesn't give a crap about "Another anime swordsman" that doesn't need to be a problem for lloyd. It all comes down to bringing something new to the table and having a fun moveset, Which we know Lloyd can fulfill wonderfully.
 
Joined
Jul 4, 2010
Messages
701
Location
Ontario, Canada
I am worried that with the inclusion of byleth, this mean we'll get another pokemon rep for sword and shield. I do however think now that we know sakurai doesn't give a crap about "Another anime swordsman" that doesn't need to be a problem for lloyd. It all comes down to bringing something new to the table and having a fun moveset, Which we know Lloyd can fulfill wonderfully.
I don't think that's an issue considering we already had a Sword and Shield Spirit Event. That pretty much kills our chances of getting a Sword and Shield rep.
 
Joined
Sep 16, 2018
Messages
505
With all these predictions going around, I think we likely are gonna see Llyod in the upcoming September Direct this year or possibly next year. All I hope for is that he still has a chance despite Byleth getting the pass. Eh, we got hero in the last pass, I should not worry so much.
 
Last edited:

Zem-raj

Smash Hero
Joined
May 12, 2014
Messages
6,916
Location
Planet Urtraghus

New 25th Anniversary logo and new Tales series logo.

The latter we've seen before, via trademarks.

Bandai Namco might be doing something this year for the series (besides Tales of Arise, obviously).

Edit: found this:

 
Last edited:

Cadillac

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Oct 29, 2019
Messages
223
If Lloyd joins the roster, what kind of weapon will he use? The twin blade shown at the promotional art/anime or the Material Blades?
 

Ypsen

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Sep 5, 2018
Messages
78
Location
France
The abyssal chronicles website wrote an article about it.
http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/ne...GTamdoUeg-xsZXaHIWZ-2leXTKZbzFkRZT8gNeD2T7wCA

Sadly, it had nothing to do with Smash Bros.
Those new trademarks/icons have actually been made to bring more clarity for the Tales games classifications.

Bandai Namco find that this "mothership title / escort game/ mobile" was too confusing.
So from now on there will be only two classifications : Original Games, and Crossover games.

I first jumped off my chair when I read the "Crossover" classification, but again... it only depicted Tales of games, not crossover with other companies. Tales of has this habit to develop lots of tales games where the characters from different titles meet each other, like the Radiant Mythologies and some mobile games. Hence, this new classification.

It doesn't hurt Lloyd's chances whatsoever. But this big theory about the Smash Bros x Tales of Series and these logos is now debunked.

Anyway, Bandai Namco seem to really think about their new marketing strategy to bring more attention on Tales of, and are up to something with its 25th anniversary. Can we expect a partnership with Smash Bros ?
 
Last edited:

Andwooooo

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 7, 2018
Messages
34
I can’t see Scott Menville’s NDA’d project being related to Smash or even Tales, because he’s only been the voice actor for one game. Every other time he’s been voiced, it’s been by Brian Beacock.

I’d sooner expect a Mission Hill reboot than him returning to this role.
 

Nightguything

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Messages
126
I can’t see Scott Menville’s NDA’d project being related to Smash or even Tales, because he’s only been the voice actor for one game. Every other time he’s been voiced, it’s been by Brian Beacock.

I’d sooner expect a Mission Hill reboot than him returning to this role.
Admittedly it’s true, we could possibly be jumping the gun, but until he officially states what the voice work was for there’s no sure way of knowing.
 
Joined
Nov 11, 2019
Messages
42
I can’t see Scott Menville’s NDA’d project being related to Smash or even Tales, because he’s only been the voice actor for one game. Every other time he’s been voiced, it’s been by Brian Beacock.

I’d sooner expect a Mission Hill reboot than him returning to this role.
I like that you are reasonable
 

Andwooooo

Smash Cadet
Joined
Dec 7, 2018
Messages
34
Don’t get me wrong! I fully expect Lloyd to be in FP2 (I even see him being the first revealed) *and* I’d love it way more if Menville came back for it, but I don’t think that’s going to be the way it plays out. Plus it’d be a huge slap in the face to Beacock who had been voicing him ever since.
 

frozolloyd

Smash Cadet
Joined
Feb 25, 2019
Messages
60
The abyssal chronicles website wrote an article about it.
http://www.abyssalchronicles.com/ne...GTamdoUeg-xsZXaHIWZ-2leXTKZbzFkRZT8gNeD2T7wCA

Sadly, it had nothing to do with Smash Bros.
Those new trademarks/icons have actually been made to bring more clarity for the Tales games classifications.

Bandai Namco find that this "mothership title / escort game/ mobile" was too confusing.
So from now on there will be only two classifications : Original Games, and Crossover games.

I first jumped off my chair when I read the "Crossover" classification, but again... it only depicted Tales of games, not crossover with other companies. Tales of has this habit to develop lots of tales games where the characters from different titles meet each other, like the Radiant Mythologies and some mobile games. Hence, this new classification.

It doesn't hurt Lloyd's chances whatsoever. But this big theory about the Smash Bros x Tales of Series and these logos is now debunked.

Anyway, Bandai Namco seem to really think about their new marketing strategy to bring more attention on Tales of, and are up to something with its 25th anniversary. Can we expecting a partnership with Smash Bros ?
Agreed. Although it does hurt we no longer have the trademark thing in our corner, all that means to us is Lloyd is back to where he was three months ago, no real evidence in his corner, except all the missing Bandai Namco costumes. Although I would argue that that is a good enough piece of evidence to hold on to hope. As for his other rival for the spot, Heihachi, he is in a similar situation. Literally nothing points towards Heihachi being added as well, other than the missing mii costumes. And maybe I'm a bit pessimistic today, but they could always randomly add both costumes randomly in the next batch, who knows. Either way, I really do think some Bandai Namco character is coming in the next 6 FP, whether that be Lloyd, Heihachi, a dark soul rep, or even a dark horse rep like Soul Caliber. Though the characters Bandai have don't strike me as a Fighter Pass starter, so I'm going to predict whoever got picked is going to be in the middle (7,8 or 9).
 
Last edited:

Nerd Saga Nate

Part-Time Youtuber, Full Time Nerd
Joined
Feb 5, 2013
Messages
6,874
Location
Bored
Hey folks, mind helping me with a small little project? I just have one question for you. What music was played when Lloyd was revealed to be a Mii Fighter outfit in Smash 4?
 

frozolloyd

Smash Cadet
Joined
Feb 25, 2019
Messages
60

ryuu seika

Smash Master
Joined
Jul 21, 2010
Messages
4,737
Location
Amidst the abounding light of heaven!
Hey folks, mind helping me with a small little project? I just have one question for you. What music was played when Lloyd was revealed to be a Mii Fighter outfit in Smash 4?
The song that played for the mii costume is called "Like a Glint of Light".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxt3hLXlic
Tales of Symphonia in general has a ton of bangers.
It might also be worth noting that Like a Glint of Light is the late game equivalent of an earlier battle theme, "Full Force", which has slightly more relevance to Lloyd for reasons that I won't spoil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnwWPN7evSc

Though, by all means, stick with the one that has the official go-ahead from Sakurai if you think that that's best.
 
Last edited:

Fatmanonice

Unironically mains weird characters.
Joined
Jul 27, 2006
Messages
15,644
Location
Somewhere... overthinking something
NNID
Fatmanonice
Feeling pretty good about Lloyd. Current prediction is that he's 8 but I wanted to ask you all about how Lloyd would play. Most of the unique sword fighters have mechanics or playstyles that are unique to them:

The Links: multiple projectiles, shield, and tether grab (except OG Link)

Marth: Tipper

Roy: Hilt

Metaknight: Flyin' swordsman.

Pits: Flyin' swordsmen... With a projectile and reflector!

Ike: Big burly ******* with scary range and power

Robin: Tomes and weapon use

Shulk: Monado Arts

Cloud: Limit and speaks Japanese.

Corrin: Long boy

Hero: RPG spells and magic meter

Byleth: Full weapon triangle plus bow because **** you, that's why.

So... how would Lloyd be made unique. I know the team mechanic is really important in the Tales games but I hate to admit I've only played Symphonia and that was back in high school a billion years ago. That said, I'm looking for input from Tales fans who have actually played the games in the last 15 years.
 
Joined
Sep 6, 2014
Messages
740
3DS FC
1161-0239-7545
NNID
ZeroJanitor
Switch FC
SW-3025-9002-7252
definitely think they would replicate the ToS combo system with artes and cancelling and TP
 

Nightguything

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Oct 20, 2018
Messages
126
Feeling pretty good about Lloyd. Current prediction is that he's 8 but I wanted to ask you all about how Lloyd would play. Most of the unique sword fighters have mechanics or playstyles that are unique to them:

The Links: multiple projectiles, shield, and tether grab (except OG Link)

Marth: Tipper

Roy: Hilt

Metaknight: Flyin' swordsman.

Pits: Flyin' swordsmen... With a projectile and reflector!

Ike: Big burly ******* with scary range and power

Robin: Tomes and weapon use

Shulk: Monado Arts

Cloud: Limit and speaks Japanese.

Corrin: Long boy

Hero: RPG spells and magic meter

Byleth: Full weapon triangle plus bow because **** you, that's why.

So... how would Lloyd be made unique. I know the team mechanic is really important in the Tales games but I hate to admit I've only played Symphonia and that was back in high school a billion years ago. That said, I'm looking for input from Tales fans who have actually played the games in the last 15 years.
I’d imagine a meter similar to hero that uses ep when an arte (special move) is performed with the ability to chain certain artes into one another. Meter could be gained by using basic attacks and whatnot, so I guess think hero but instead of standing still to use spells, using specials to chain combos with an emphasis on quick precision and swordplay (kinda like Bayonetta?)
 
Last edited:

Kremling Man

Smash Master
Joined
Oct 25, 2015
Messages
3,383
Lloyd's chances being good is great to hear. I'm not going to straight up say Up believe anything yet and will see how this plays out.
 
Last edited:

cosmicB

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Nov 28, 2019
Messages
257
Dual-wielding with real swords on its own is already a new thing, though I'm not sure how that would translate to a new gameplay mechanic is it probably wouldn't be much different from Pit's dual-wielding.

Overlimit could certainly be a thing, especially since it doesn't just represent Lloyd but the franchise in general. Could be a meter.
 
Joined
Dec 18, 2016
Messages
551
Somehow, both Fighters Passes seem to have the word "volume", just like how Tales of Fandom has the word "volume" and they even share Tales of devs with smash bros ultimate, but this may not mean that a Tales of rep would be part of Fighters Pass Vol. 2.
 

Kremling Man

Smash Master
Joined
Oct 25, 2015
Messages
3,383
I'd love if Sakurai put peeping Tom just to joke about that one time when he was blamed for spying on the girls in the Hot Springs.

Darn that Zelos. Or Palmacosta Pro would be great too!
 
Top