yeah some1 remake this thread. It has helped me quite a bit-- actually funny thing is I have yet to try anything I've learned here, or anything I've learned about their grab game. Though, I'm compiling everything into one neat word document creating a sort of guide for myself. Come this weekend I'll have time to start training, I can't wait! None of my friends have seen the Ice Climbers in action-- at least on this level of intensity (they think the Ice Climbers suck). If I were to tell them that I now main the Ice Climbers they'd probably think that they'd stand a chance at beating me... Anyway, thanks for the information guys, I appreciate your findings!