The Cute Baby Pokémon, the Melee underdog: Pichu for DLC Discussion - Under New Ownership! VOTE NOW!

[Hexaped]

About a week ago, I played Melee. I tried using Pichu particularly, but I am perhaps too used to heavyweights. Pichu was too light for me! But I shall try more. I am surprised that I do not remember using Pichu often in the past, considering my life-long fixation on Pokemon. When you use Pichu to walk slowly, Pichu displays a funny animation! Anyway, I wish Pichu used a GSC attack as one of their special moves. What do you think it could have been (other than Iron Tail)?

 

[luigijerk]

I don't particularly want Pichu to return, but I think the self-damaging specials mechanic is interesting. I would like to see them add this mechanic to a new character (and hopefully balance it better than they did with Pichu).

 

[Arthreeteseven]

I have such fond memories of unlocking Pichu as a kid, he was a fun and comical character that I would love to have back!

 

[Krysco]

This exists? Beautiful! No sarcasm either, I mean it. As one can see with my recent sig update I support Pichu just getting into Smash 4 at all. Playable character would be nice but I'd be happy just to see him make it in a stage cameo or a Pokeball Pokemon.

I'm also probably the only one who wants Pichu back as a playable character without any changes. I liked how he was in Melee and while the physics may change I want him to be the same as he was before even if that makes him terrible again.

 

[Maikou]

This exists? Beautiful! No sarcasm either, I mean it. As one can see with my recent sig update I support Pichu just getting into Smash 4 at all. Playable character would be nice but I'd be happy just to see him make it in a stage cameo or a Pokeball Pokemon.

I'm also probably the only one who wants Pichu back as a playable character without any changes. I liked how he was in Melee and while the physics may change I want him to be the same as he was before even if that makes him terrible again.

Admittedly I'd like for Pichu to be changed up a small bit. namely more power in his electric-type moves and more spasmatic hitboxes. (Pichu can't control his electricity well; You can't tell me that wouldn't cause more power and less "focused" moves!)

Though otherwise I agree, he should be pretty much the same. And hey, his recoil isn't really that bad, one just has to avoid a few of his moves or otherwise just utilize his speed and size to his advantage. Plus any single item greatly increases his ability to win by tenfold at the least.

 

[Krysco]

Admittedly I'd like for Pichu to be changed up a small bit. namely more power in his electric-type moves and more spasmatic hitboxes. (Pichu can't control his electricity well; You can't tell me that wouldn't cause more power and less "focused" moves!)

Though otherwise I agree, he should be pretty much the same. And hey, his recoil isn't really that bad, one just has to avoid a few of his moves or otherwise just utilize his speed and size to his advantage. Plus any single item greatly increases his ability to win by tenfold at the least.

I could see his range being increased due to lack of control of his electricity. Power on the other hand I don't know. Pichu is admittedly a weak Pokemon but then when has Smash ever taken stats into account with Pokemon? Squirtle is weak stat-wise but has a powerful down throw and solid moves in general yet Mewtwo is ridiculous stat-wise but is rather weak so Pichu could become more powerful.

Also I read your earlier posts mentioning Pichu being buffed with items. Care to elaborate? I never really noticed any differences, partly because of how rarely I used both Pichu and have items on at the same time. I have read that he can duck lower when holding the Super Scope or something but is there anything else?

 

[Maikou]

I could see his range being increased due to lack of control of his electricity. Power on the other hand I don't know. Pichu is admittedly a weak Pokemon but then when has Smash ever taken stats into account with Pokemon? Squirtle is weak stat-wise but has a powerful down throw and solid moves in general yet Mewtwo is ridiculous stat-wise but is rather weak so Pichu could become more powerful.

Also I read your earlier posts mentioning Pichu being buffed with items. Care to elaborate? I never really noticed any differences, partly because of how rarely I used both Pichu and have items on at the same time. I have read that he can duck lower when holding the Super Scope or something but is there anything else?

Thing is, items are naturally good for any character. Every item can either be thrown or just consumed for health. Since Pichu only has ONE ranged move, which doesn't reach extremely far and also causes recoil, throwing something at someone and then grabbing it quickly again (if you can) is a strategy one tends to employ with overall weaker characters. Plus the range and power on the weapon items that change your attacks also helps.

Plus as I recall, not controlling electricity completely can lead to get either an overload or an underload, which makes the attack, given that it IS an attack, either weaker or stronger. It also naturally adds spasmatic motions which usually end up wider in range, though not necessarily "longer".

Plus considering all things it follows Pichu's PokeDex entry closer, which was already something put into Pichu in Melee. (His attack animations all looked way too focused in Melee, if you ask me. It would've added more appeal to Pichu to be honest, just having a slightly different range and a little more electrical power)

 

[Krysco]

Thing is, items are naturally good for any character. Every item can either be thrown or just consumed for health. Since Pichu only has ONE ranged move, which doesn't reach extremely far and also causes recoil, throwing something at someone and then grabbing it quickly again (if you can) is a strategy one tends to employ with overall weaker characters. Plus the range and power on the weapon items that change your attacks also helps.

Plus as I recall, not controlling electricity completely can lead to get either an overload or an underload, which makes the attack, given that it IS an attack, either weaker or stronger. It also naturally adds spasmatic motions which usually end up wider in range, though not necessarily "longer".

Plus considering all things it follows Pichu's PokeDex entry closer, which was already something put into Pichu in Melee. (His attack animations all looked way too focused in Melee, if you ask me. It would've added more appeal to Pichu to be honest, just having a slightly different range and a little more electrical power)

Ah okay, I see what you mean. I thought there was some Pichu-specific buff with items that I was unaware of.

As for his electricity, I meant wider and/or longer was just being a bit lazy only putting longer. Even if it's just disjoints it'd be good for him.

The underload/overload thing could be interesting. My first thought goes to the charging of his fsmash like the longer you charge it the farther it goes but that would only apply to his smashes unless he got revamped specials and charged moves aren't always the best. Then again that's part of why I just want normal unchanged Pichu back, bit of a headache to think of a possible moveset for him.

 

[Mr.Game&Chu_19]

I have an idea for a moveset for Pichu in SSB4! (P.S. I haven't been reading the other posts in this thread, so I have no idea what anyone's talking about)

First things first: NO MORE RECOIL DAMAGE! There may be a few exceptions, but he can't take recoil damage for EVERY electric-based move! That's stupid!

Entrance Animation: Comes out of a Pokéball, just like all of the other Pokémon (except Lucario and, if he returns, Mewtwo).

Moves Changes (to differentiate him from Pikachu):
f-air: For Pichu's new f-air, he can meteor smash opponents with his head, just like Yoshi does. Yoshi's f-air is more powerful, but Pichu's is faster.
u-air: Instead of hitting opponents with his tail, he can use his ears
d-air: Tail Whip....what else is there to say? He whips his opponents with his tail.

Special Moves:
Skull Bash: Pichu's Skull Bash will be more like Luigi's Green Missile; sometimes there will be a misfire. If he makes contact during a misfire; he can take 5% in recoil damage, BUT his opponent can get between 30-40% damage! If you charge Skull Bash to maximum power, it will always result in a misfire.
Agility: This move was stupid in Melee. Pichu got recoil damage from an attack that 1. didn't affect anyone around him and 2. WASN'T EVEN A STINKIN' ELECTRIC ATTACK!!! This time around, Pichu takes no damage, and maybe instead of two long jumps, he may use three shorter ones. This is just an idea. Also, if Pichu passes through an opponent while using Agility, the opponent will be pushed a slight distance, like when they're hit by Mario's F.L.U.D.D.
Final Smash: Volt Tackle. Yes, there will still be some similarities between Pichu and Pikachu. Pichu's Volt Tackle will have less range, but much more knockback if it connects.

What do you think about this moveset? I think it's pretty awesome, but I wanna hear your opinions.

And until next time, here's a picture of Pichu. --->

See you later.

 

[Arthreeteseven]

I have an idea for a moveset for Pichu in SSB4! (P.S. I haven't been reading the other posts in this thread, so I have no idea what anyone's talking about)

First things first: NO MORE RECOIL DAMAGE! There may be a few exceptions, but he can't take recoil damage for EVERY electric-based move! That's stupid!

Entrance Animation: Comes out of a Pokéball, just like all of the other Pokémon (except Lucario and, if he returns, Mewtwo).

Moves Changes (to differentiate him from Pikachu):
f-air: For Pichu's new f-air, he can meteor smash opponents with his head, just like Yoshi does. Yoshi's f-air is more powerful, but Pichu's is faster.
u-air: Instead of hitting opponents with his tail, he can use his ears
d-air: Tail Whip....what else is there to say? He whips his opponents with his tail.

Special Moves:
Skull Bash: Pichu's Skull Bash will be more like Luigi's Green Missile; sometimes there will be a misfire. If he makes contact during a misfire; he can take 5% in recoil damage, BUT his opponent can get between 30-40% damage! If you charge Skull Bash to maximum power, it will always result in a misfire.
Agility: This move was stupid in Melee. Pichu got recoil damage from an attack that 1. didn't affect anyone around him and 2. WASN'T EVEN A STINKIN' ELECTRIC ATTACK!!! This time around, Pichu takes no damage, and maybe instead of two long jumps, he may use three shorter ones. This is just an idea. Also, if Pichu passes through an opponent while using Agility, the opponent will be pushed a slight distance, like when they're hit by Mario's F.L.U.D.D.
Final Smash: Volt Tackle. Yes, there will still be some similarities between Pichu and Pikachu. Pichu's Volt Tackle will have less range, but much more knockback if it connects.

What do you think about this moveset? I think it's pretty awesome, but I wanna hear your opinions.

And until next time, here's a picture of Pichu. --->

See you later.

I really like this moveset, It would make Pichu much more dynamic.

 

[Smashbro596]

Pichu could be an alt costume for pikachu. but i will admit, sakurai must have had an off day designing the poor runt. his own element hurting it is just.... no. pichu is the ONE character i will say "no! no! @^%%* NO DUDE!" to.
but, if hes in he better not get in over mewtwo.that would kind of be an insult. >w<

 

[Marthmario]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pichu back. Tho, I'm curious if the PMBR has any plans for him...

 

[Oatmeal.]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pichu back. Tho, I'm curious if the PMBR has any plans for him...

Unfortunately, I don't think so. They don't even bother to consider what Pichu is all about, ignorant to what the true purpose of Pichu is. They're just like, "no, lock this thread" without discussing Pichu properly. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

Edit: I see Pichu in the character poll. Heh heh.....

 

[Skyfox2000]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pichu back. Tho, I'm curious if the PMBR has any plans for him...

Unfortunately, I don't think so. They don't even bother to consider what Pichu is all about, ignorant to what the true purpose of Pichu is. They're just like, "no, lock this thread" without discussing Pichu properly. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

I always thought Pichu was going to be in PM.

 

[Marthmario]

Unfortunately, I don't think so. They don't even bother to consider what Pichu is all about, ignorant to what the true purpose of Pichu is. They're just like, "no, lock this thread" without discussing Pichu properly. Makes me sick just thinking about it.

I always thought Pichu was going to be in PM.

A. All specific character threads get locked regardless of Pichu. B. There's a rumor going around that the only new character in 3.5 is the Pichu Bros (The Shiny one and the one with the spiky ear)

 

[PikaSamus]

There's a rumor going around that the only new character in 3.5 is the Pichu Bros (The Shiny one and the one with the spiky ear)

The Spiky-eared Pichu is female, and the Pichu Bros. are characters (I would link the Bulbapedia article, but I don't have enough posts) in the animé, so I don't think those particular Pichu would work out.

I'd love to see Pichu come back. He was one of my favorite characters in Melee.

 

[Marthmario]

The Spiky-eared Pichu is female, and the Pichu Bros. are characters (I would link the Bulbapedia article, but I don't have enough posts) in the animé, so I don't think those particular Pichu would work out.

I'd love to see Pichu come back. He was one of my favorite characters in Melee.

Perhaps a modified team that has the female one with the shiny one?

 

[Maikou]

Perhaps a modified team that has the female one with the shiny one?

I'd rather the actual Pichus from the show if you don't mind.

 

[Marthmario]

I'd rather the actual Pichus from the show if you don't mind.

I'm not the PMBR.

 

[Arthreeteseven]

I'm still holding out a bit of hope for Pichu, since clone characters are returning I think Pichu may have a very slight chance, simply because of the "WTF" factor.

 

[Propeller Toad]

I sure do hope that Pichu returns in some way for PMBR. Whether it be the Pichu Bros. or the Spiky-ear/Shiny Pichu combo. Always loved the little guy in Melee.

 

[MrKitty]

Pichus best shot is definitely Project M, but it may be a similar deal to Doctor Mario, where its purely aesthetic. If he does return, though, I actually think he should keep the hurting himself, maybe for less moves, like maybe only special moves or something along those lines, but be crazy buffed in other ways like speed or power. Even though Im not crazy about the fan game Super Smash Bros. Crusade, I have to admit, they did an amazing job with Pichu, especially with the move he has that makes it so that the more damage it has, the more damage that attack does. It makes an actual point of him hurting himself, but in a less risky way than Lucario, where you also have to be worried about knockback with all of the attacks your taking to get more damage.

 

[WishOn]

If Pichu was added to PM, I don't think I would play another character again.

 

[Lady Byakugan]

Pichu coming back is an impossible dream, even young link has a higher chance of returning than he does

 

[Wyoming]

I disagree with that. Young Link is already practically in the game as Toon Link so his inclusion was ruled out a year ago. Pichu has nobody similar taking his spot as it stands.

He was always very, very, very unlikely for me but I'd say his chances were higher than Young Link's.

 

[ImReallyFeelingIt]

Pichu is to Pikachu as Young Link (or Toon Link, if you prefer) is to Link.

They're pretty much the same character but they have their own special abilities and hits in a way. I may sound stupid but if Toon Link has a spot than I don't see why It'd be impossible for Pichu to have one... But I can understand why people say Pichu was the "bad" version of Pikachu.

I'm not even a big Pichu user, I barely used him..or her.

 

[MrKitty]

Pichu is to Pikachu as Young Link (or Toon Link, if you prefer) is to Link.

They're pretty much the same character but they have their own special abilities and hits in a way. I may sound stupid but if Toon Link has a spot than I don't see why It'd be impossible for Pichu to have one... But I can understand why people say Pichu was the "bad" version of Pikachu.

I'm not even a big Pichu user, I barely used him..or her.

I agree mostly, but Toon Link has a completely different playstyle to that of Link. Very few Toon Link players are also good Link players and vice versa. Thats mainly due to speed and range differences, even though the attacks are aesthetically similar. Pichu plays very similarly to Pikachu, because even though e is faster, with shorter range, its not enough to completely change the playstyle. If he does return (and the fact that we have 4 pokemon in the game already seems to make it unlikely, but hey we got 5 Mario characters) he would have to change enough for his playstyle to be different. Of course, Lucina will have essentially the same playstyle to Marth, just with more balanced hitboxes, so hey, anything could happen. Pichu was only in Melee to represent Pokemon Gold and Silver, and so, it may have made sense to include him in Brawl to promote the remakes, Heartgold and Soulsilver, but because its been so long since a Johto game, and aside from the Spiky Eared Pichu, Pichu hasnt really done anything important in the franchise since.
Long story short, Sakurai throws a lot of curveballs, so its still possible, but frankly, chances are slim...
(I still say his best shot is Project M)

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

And with that, Pichu is not in the game.

 

[Wyoming]

I find him vastly underrated. He was fun to play as in Melee.

His exclusion was expected though. I don't think he'll ever come back.

 

[AidanTheGreat]

I would not mind it if they did bring the little guy back, maybe on the same slot as Pikachu. Pichu was a cute one.

 

[TechPowah]

I also would love Pichu back (my top pick for a returning vet after Pokemon Trainer, in fact), though with Mewtwo coming back, I sadly would want to see someone other than a second Pokemon vet in a row come back.

Anyway, I had a couple interesting ideas for reworking Pichu if it were to be back; Make him the ultimate high-risk-high reward character where instead of every electric attack self damaging naturally, he can rev up a special damage meter to the side of his actual taken damage (i'll call it the Charge meter) with his Neutral Special where afterward his very next electrical attack will add that much damage to the power, in exchange for also dealing that amount in self damage to Pichu (even if you charged it for so long it endedd up at 999% Charge). Give him a way to cancel the charge by hitting Neutral Spec again, and he can simultaneously be both the most dangerous and least dangerous character in the game, potentially.

 

[Ben Holt]

I think Pichu would be an excellent alt for Pichu.
But if he does become a full character, they should give him an extra gimmick with his self-damaging moves.
That gimmick should be similar to Lucario's, but much more potent. For example, if Pichu hits 120% or so, he should have Bowser-like power and knockback.

 

[PF9]

I would definitely love Pichu as DLC. As it is the baby form of my favorite Pokemon and my SSB series main, Pikachu, what's not to love? I'm very fond of mice in general, as many of my favorite cartoon characters (Pikachu included) are mice).

 

[1DeadRabbit]

Well, since this thread exists...
On the topic of a hypothetical Pichu returning to Smash, I like the idea of Pichu remaining a gimmicky gag character, mostly because of a story my friend told me:

This was before I was into Smash. He and his friends and some other dude I don't know where playing Melee, and aforementioned dude was just beating the everliving crap out of them. So to punish him for his crimes, they made him play as Pichu.

I mean...he still beat them, but at least with Pichu you have the option of punishing those obnoxiously good players for being so much better than you.

Not that it really warrants his return to the game. But, y'know, if he did, this is how I would like to see him.

 

[Lilfut]

There's always a place for obviously underpowered joke characters. They're training mode punching bags and characters you force the group douchebag to play after he crosses a line - or that he chooses himself to flaunt his skill. The fact that they sometimes have hidden benefits (such as Pichu's speed and lightness) is just a bonus. I wouldn't want Pichu changed one bit, and if you ask me those that do are missing the point.

 

[J04KlM]

Alright, time to shape up this thread, currently working on the OP.

Edit: It's done! The DLC speculation begins now people.

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[dezeray112]

Unless Sakurai and his team can come with a more unique moveset for Pichu.

 

[Shaymikyu]

Miniscule a chance as it is, I'd LOVE to see Pichu back with a revamped moveset and that damaging gimmick tossed.

Pichu has always been one of my favorite Pokémon ever. In Melee, I practically cried as a kid when I unlocked him. Even though he was awful, I still used him every time because I adore the little guy so much. Even if they just removed the damaging gimmick and made him a faster, lighter Pikachu, or even made him an alt, I'd be overjoyed to have him back. He and Lucas are my two most wanted returning veterans.

If he does return, even if Pikachu took them, I want to see him have his awesome goggles back, too, or at least some neat replacement. Ooh, how about a final smash or even moveset based on the ukulele from Pokémon Ranger?

 

[Putuk]

Pichu was my goddamn main, 'cuz I'm a loser.

 

[J04KlM]

Miniscule a chance as it is, I'd LOVE to see Pichu back with a revamped moveset and that damaging gimmick tossed.

Pichu has always been one of my favorite Pokémon ever. In Melee, I practically cried as a kid when I unlocked him. Even though he was awful, I still used him every time because I adore the little guy so much. Even if they just removed the damaging gimmick and made him a faster, lighter Pikachu, or even made him an alt, I'd be overjoyed to have him back. He and Lucas are my two most wanted returning veterans.

If he does return, even if Pikachu took them, I want to see him have his awesome goggles back, too, or at least some neat replacement. Ooh, how about a final smash or even moveset based on the ukulele from Pokémon Ranger?

Ukulele Pichu would be really interesting and funny! As a Final Smash it could function similarly to the Barbara Assist Trophy in Brawl, rather than being a rythm based attack like Donkey Kong's Final Smash. Because that one is eh... kind of useless.