The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

[ss118]

Charizard @ Leftovers
Blaze: Adamant
252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Sp. Defense
Fire Punch
Fly
Dragon Dance
Earthquake

 

[kirbyraeg]

Shellder @ Focus Sash
252 HP/252 Def/4 Atk
Impish / Skill Link

Rock Blast
Icicle Spear
Payback
Ice Shard

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Croagunk @ Leftovers
Dry Skin / Modest
4 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 252 Spd
~ Nasty Plot
~ Sludge Bomb
~ Vacuum Wave
~ Dark Pulse

 

[asianaussie]

Wormadam-S @ Occa Berry
Modest/Anticipation
252 HP/4 Def/252 SpAtk
~ Psychic
~ Endeavour
~ Sucker Punch
~ Substitute

 

[kirbyraeg]

Weavile @ Focus Sash
252 Atk/216 Spe/40 HP
Jolly / Pressure

Swords Dance
Ice Shard
Night Slash
Low Kick

why be creative or use nfes when you'll just get gimped by OUs anyway? :3

 

[Druggedfox]

Because NUs give you more points? =D

 

[asianaussie]

actually posting a hard-to-counter OU can possibly get you 5 points, which isn't that much less

the real reason is because OUs are boring tbh, people have seen them like a billion times

Poliwrath @ Leftovers
Impish/Water Absorb
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def
~ Substitute
~ Brick Break
~ Vacuum Wave
~ Waterfall

 

[Wave⁂]

That doesn't make them boring.

Celery @ Life Orb
Timid / Natural Cure
252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Calm Mind
Energy Ball
HP Fire
Earth Power

 

[Z'zgashi]

Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant / Technician
252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Hp
Sword Dance
Bug Bite
Pursuit
Brick Break

 

[Wave⁂]

+1 HP Fire:

211.3% - 249.6%

 

[UltiMario]

**** +1

Just HP Fire lol

 

[Terywj [태리]]

+1 HP Fire:

211.3% - 249.6%

**** +1

Just HP Fire lol

So why was Scizor used again?

 

[Wave⁂]

Probably misread it as HP Ice or Fighting

 

[asianaussie]

Charizard @ Life Orb
Blaze/Jolly
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
~ Flare Blitz
~ Dragon Dance
~ Earthquake
~ Thunderpunch

gg my charizard beats all except for brock and misty

 

[Z'zgashi]

Probably misread it as HP Ice or Fighting

Oh lol i thought it was fighting

 

[kirbyraeg]

Slowbro @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Def
Modest / Own Tempo

Calm Mind
Surf
Psychic
Fire Blast

Survives and easily KO's back.

 

[asianaussie]

Ludicolo @ Life Orb
Careful/Swift Swim
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
~ Waterfall
~ Swords Dance
~ Seed Bomb
~ Ice Punch

slowbro can't 2HKO, +2 seed bomb is a OHKO, you can't seed bomb twice as you die to 2 unboosted psychics + LO

 

[mood4food77]

Crobat @ Leftovers
Inner Focus / Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Def / 6 Spe
Cross Poison
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Return

his physical movepool is really, really ****ty

 

[UltiMario]

Good thing Crobat normally is mixed, then!

Lolwhoneedsarealmovepool.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Crobat @ Leftovers
Inner Focus / Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Def / 6 Spe
Cross Poison
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Return

his physical movepool is really, really ****ty

Crobat has Super Fang / Brave Bird / U-Turn. That's going to wreck Pokemon without reliable recovery.

 

[mood4food77]

Cross Poison, Brave Bird, Super Fang, U-turn, X-Scissor, Return, Pursuit, and Zen Headbutt are all he has to use

it's not a very good movepool and basically gets ***** by any steel type

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Theoretically, Crobat has Nasty Plot and Heat Wave.

The real question is, what Poison-type doesn't get ***** by Steel-types?

 

[UltiMario]

Toxicroak

Know your UU Tery

 

[mood4food77]

ummmmmm...

toxicroak, tentacruel, crobat (only if it has heatwave, then it's only by heatran), qwilfish, nidoking, nidoqueen, and gengar

 

[Wave⁂]

Crobat @ Leftovers
Inner Focus / Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Def / 6 Spe
Cross Poison
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Return

his physical movepool is really, really ****ty

Skarmory @ Apicot Berry
Adamant / 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpDef
Swords Dance
Brave Bird
Steel Wing
Natural Gift Ground

 

[mood4food77]

Rotom @ Leftovers
Levitate / Timid
252 HP / 252 SpA / 6 Def
Thunderbolt
Shadowball
Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp

 

[kirbyraeg]

Heracross @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpDef/4 Def
Careful / Guts

Close Combat
Megahorn
Rest
Bulk Up

yayuhz.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Drifblim @ Chesto Berry
Unburden / Modest
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Sp Atk
~ Shadow Ball
~ Air Cutter
~ Rest
~ Calm Mind

 

[TFS]

Pikachu @ Light Ball
Static / Modest
28 HP / 252 SAtk / 228 Spe
~Thunder
~Substitute
~Hidden Power: Ice
~Grass Knot

 

[mood4food77]

i don't think that works

if he CMs on your switch, he has a chance to survive and then he OHKOs you with shadow ball

 

[TFS]

I swear I calc'd it so he couldnt survive. Let me check.

EDIT: Yeah, my calcs are giving me 103% min, what did you calc?

 

[mood4food77]

i just calc'd it with his EVs

after a CM, you do 94% min with thunder while he does 125% min with shadow ball to you

idk how you get that cause i have everything matching up with what tery has and your counter fails

 

[IceArrow]

Probospass @ Leftovers
Magnet Pull / Calm
EVs - 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Power Gem
Earth Power
Thunder Wave
Flash Cannon

Counters Both.

 

[TFS]

i just calc'd it with his EVs

after a CM, you do 94% min with thunder while he does 125% min with shadow ball to you

idk how you get that cause i have everything matching up with what tery has and your counter fails

I have no idea where our disconnect is, but I swear I'm doing it right. Did you put 36 SpDef EVs in or something?

 

[mood4food77]

oh wait...i'm an idiot

you're running modest

 

[Wave⁂]

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Adamant / Speed Boost
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Swords Dance
Hi Jump Kick
Flare Blitz
Stone Edge

 

[kirbyraeg]

oh you ******.

Slowpoke @ Life Orb
252 HP/176 Atk/80 Def
Impish / Own Tempo

Aqua Tail
Trick Room
Zen Headbutt
Drain Punch

Will survive a +2 anything, doesn't give a **** about speed boost, and ohko's with aqua tail.

 

[Wave⁂]

I only brought up Blaziken because I think we should discuss when we're letting Isshu Pokémon, Dream World abilities, and new Tutor / Egg moves to be used.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I say we should allow dream world abilities tbh since it brings more variety to the game, but with that we should scrap the 'score' for fun stuff since new tiers will come out eventually based off of these new abilities/moves/etc. New moves shouldn't yet be included since a lot of the technicalities of breeding and move tutors isn't confirmed yet, so sticking with old movesets but using CONFIRMED new abilities is fine. Isshu pokemon with full information should also be allowed.

 

[Wave⁂]

Dream World anything is automatic 0 score?