The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

[Blissard]

Blastoise @ Leftovers
252 HP / 8 SpDef / 248 Spe
Bold / Torrent

Toxic
Protect
Mirror Coat
Hydro Pump

I outspeed and 2hKO with Hydro Pimp while avoiding the 2HKO from HP by about 2 hit points.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Blastoise @ Leftovers
252 HP / 8 SpDef / 248 Spe
Bold / Torrent

Toxic
Protect
Mirror Coat
Hydro Pump

I outspeed and 2hKO with Hydro Pimp while avoiding the 2HKO from HP by about 2 hit points.

Uhm. Hidden Power [Electric] does 52.5%. Even after Leftovers on the turn you switch-in you can't survive a second Hidden Power and your Hydro Pump only does 66.7%.

 

[Blissard]

Really? I thought that Leftovers healed pretty much 6.25% rounded down, so that I survived it perfectly. If not I could just use protect for another turn of leftovers recovery.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I forgot about Protect. My mistake.

 

[E123-omega]

Sceptile@life orb
252spA/200Hp/52spe
Modest/Overgrow

-Leaf storm
-Hp ice
-leach seed
-Focus Miss

Leaf storm OHKOs

 

[kirbyraeg]

Magmortar @ Wide Lens
16 Atk/252 SpAtk/240 Spe
Hasty / Flame Body

Dynamicpunch
Sunny Day
Fire Blast
Solarbeam

 

[Moozle]

Magmortar @ Wide Lens
16 Atk/252 SpAtk/240 Spe
Hasty / Flame Body

Dynamicpunch
Sunny Day
Fire Blast
Solarbeam

Moltres@Life Orb
Timid / Pressure
100 HP / 252 Sp. Attack / 152 Speed
~Fire Blast
~Air Slash
~HP Ground
~Roost

 

[Fuelbi]

Moltres@Life Orb
Timid / Pressure
100 HP / 252 Sp. Attack / 152 Speed
~Fire Blast
~Air Slash
~HP Ground
~Roost

Alright, so let me see if I'm doing this right because this is my first time doing a counter in this game

Ttar @ Babiri Berry
Jolly/Sand Stream
4HP/252Att/252Spe

-Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Aqua Tail

Alright so Ttar can come in on HP Ground and live, Air Slash and live, and FB and live. Then seeing as there won't be any Stone Misses in this game, I can SE and kill Moltres in one hit. Now if I'm doing this right (and I hope I am) I should be able to fit in at least one DD before I die, or more if I predict right and Moltres Roosts

Eh... did I do this right?

 

[Blissard]

Unfortunately, Moltres outspeeds you, and 2HKO's with HP ground.

But you can survive it with the EV spread 252 HP / 116 Atk / 140 SpDef. Also...why use Babiri Berry? Because Smogon said so?

 

[asianaussie]

You have to be able to win in every forseeable scenario. For instance, while it says that you should assume they do max damage, if max damage activates your petaya and you need petaya to win, then it's assumed they do damage just short of activating it.

You cannot say 'I *can* win', you have to say 'I *will* win and there is absolutely no way of them being able to kill me before I kill them'.

Don't just copypaste smogon sets, Counter Game and actual Pokemon are miles apart lol

 

[kirbyraeg]

Unfortunately, Moltres outspeeds you, and 2HKO's with HP ground.

But you can survive it with the EV spread 252 HP / 116 Atk / 140 SpDef. Also...why use Babiri Berry? Because Smogon said so?

You forgot its spdef boost, so it's totally legit

You have to be able to win in every forseeable scenario. For instance, while it says that you should assume they do max damage, if max damage activates your petaya and you need petaya to win, then it's assumed they do damage just short of activating it.

You cannot say 'I *can* win', you have to say 'I *will* win and there is absolutely no way of them being able to kill me before I kill them'.

Don't just copypaste smogon sets, Counter Game and actual Pokemon are miles apart lol

Basically this, though using sets like that works pretty nicely in most cases.
This scenario is pretty cut-and-dry though, you'll 1hko with either SE or Aqua Tail and it can't 2hko you.

Torterra @ Life Orb
252 Atk/236 Spe/20 Def
Adamant / Overgrow

Earthquake
Wood Hammer
Stone Edge
Outrage

for lack of something better. 2 crunches can't KO me (do 300 damage total) and I can 1hko with earthquake.

 

[asianaussie]

Exploud @ Leftovers
252 Def/112 SpA/144 Spe
Modest/Soundproof
~ Fire Blast
~ Blizzard
~ Hyper Beam
~ Focus Blast

super exploud go!

 

[kirbyraeg]

Snorlax @ Leftovers
252 Atk/252 SpDef/4 Def
Adamant / Thick Fat

Return
Earthquake
Crunch
Giga Impact

 

[Moozle]

Snorlax @ Leftovers
252 Atk/252 SpDef/4 Def
Adamant / Thick Fat

Return
Earthquake
Crunch
Giga Impact

Hariyama@Leftovers
Thick Fat / Impish
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe
~Bulk Up
~Close Combat
~Stone Edge
~Payback

Return does 35.6% - 42.1% if I have no def boosts, Giga Impact does 52.3% - 61.7% if I have no boosts. I outspeed you and can OHKO with Close Combat

 

[Fuelbi]

Unfortunately, Moltres outspeeds you, and 2HKO's with HP ground.

But you can survive it with the EV spread 252 HP / 116 Atk / 140 SpDef. Also...why use Babiri Berry? Because Smogon said so?

You have to be able to win in every forseeable scenario. For instance, while it says that you should assume they do max damage, if max damage activates your petaya and you need petaya to win, then it's assumed they do damage just short of activating it.

You cannot say 'I *can* win', you have to say 'I *will* win and there is absolutely no way of them being able to kill me before I kill them'.

Don't just copypaste smogon sets, Counter Game and actual Pokemon are miles apart lol

It was late at night and I was about to go to sleep ok? >____>

 

[UltiMario]

Fuel, you DID win, Blissard didn't calc the SpD Boosts. >.>

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Blissard is banned. This is very interesting.

 

[UltiMario]

Apparently he posted something bad enough that it needed to be edited out of his posts.

 

[asianaussie]

Hariyama@Leftovers
Thick Fat / Impish
80 HP / 172 Atk / 252 Def / 4 Spe
~Bulk Up
~Close Combat
~Stone Edge
~Payback

Chimecho @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpA/4 Spe
Levitate/Bold
~ Charge Beam
~ Hypnosis
~ Dream Eater
~ Reflect

 

[mood4food77]

chimeco can survive a payback?

 

[kirbyraeg]

I don't care, I'll counter both

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Def
Modest / Pressure

Will-o-wisp
Calm Mind
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power Fighting

 

[mood4food77]

yea it survives and wins

 

[Wave⁂]

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Adamant / Solid Rock
252 Atk / 252 SpDef / 4 HP
Earthquake
Aqua Tail
Megahorn
Rock Wrecker

 

[kirbyraeg]

that's like an auto-lose to spiritomb.

 

[asianaussie]

Spiritomb can Calm Mind and 2HKO quite easily, adding burn damage, winning in three turns. Rhyperior has no way of winning in three turns: two Rock Wreckers fails to KO, as does 2 Earthquakes + Rock Wrecker. Counter fail.

Blaziken @ Liechi Berry
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
Adamant/Blaze
~ Reversal
~ Substitute
~ Swords Dance
~ Blaze Kick

Refusing to attack my sub lets me Swords Dance, and +2 Blaze Kick is a OHKO. Breaking the sub will eventually activate both Liechi and Blaze, and a Blaze'd +1 Blaze Kick does precisely 100% damage minimum.

 

[Moozle]

Spiritomb can Calm Mind and 2HKO quite easily, adding burn damage, winning in three turns. Rhyperior has no way of winning in three turns: two Rock Wreckers fails to KO, as does 2 Earthquakes + Rock Wrecker. Counter fail.

Blaziken @ Liechi Berry
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
Adamant/Blaze
~ Reversal
~ Substitute
~ Swords Dance
~ Blaze Kick

Refusing to attack my sub lets me Swords Dance, and +2 Blaze Kick is a OHKO. Breaking the sub will eventually activate both Liechi and Blaze, and a Blaze'd +1 Blaze Kick does precisely 100% damage minimum.

Slowbro@Leftovers
Own Tempo / Bold
252 HP / 176 Def / 84 Sp. Def
~Calm Mind
~Surf
~Psychic
~Slack Off

 

[Blissard]

Starmie @ Leftovers
252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpDef
Calm / Natural Cure

Cosmic Power
Recover
Substitute
Toxic

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Drapion @ Leftovers
Sniper / Adamant
252 HP / 252 Atk. / 4 Def.
~ Crunch
~ Poison Jab
~ Swords Dance
~ Taunt

 

[Blissard]

Steelix @ Leftovers
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpDef (0 Spe IV's)
Brave / Rock Head

Curse
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Aqua Tail

Edit: Btw allo everyone. Back from my 5 day absence, where I was banned for posting PokePorn o.O

 

[asianaussie]

that's just wrong

Mantine @ not choice specs, probably lefties
252 HP/4 Def/252 SpA
Water Absorb/Modest
~ Hydro Pump
~ Signal Beam
~ HP Electric
~ Ice Beam

Hydro Pump OHKOs.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

that's just wrong

Mantine @ Choice Specs
252 HP/4 Def/252 SpA
Water Absorb/Modest
~ Hydro Pump
~ Signal Beam
~ HP Electric
~ Ice Beam

Hydro Pump OHKOs without specs.

LOL Choice Specs.

 

[asianaussie]

nvm im stupid and can't read

pretty sure i told someone off for using specs a week ago

 

[Riddle]

I still don't understand why that is a rule.

 

[Wave⁂]

A long time ago, some people were stupid and didn't read the rules about Choice items. The end.

 

[Riddle]

Why were there ever rules about choice items in the first place?

 

[Blissard]

Probably because everyone would sweep each other with humongous attack/special attack stats if they were allowed. What I don't understand is why foresight is banned...

 

[Wave⁂]

Why were there ever rules about choice items in the first place?

Weavile @ Filler
HP Ground

Azelf @ Choice Specs
Psychic
HP Fighting

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Flash Cannon
HP Fighting

Does Magnezone work? What does Azelf do on Magnezone's switch? Does Magnezone have to be able to win with both Flash cannon and HP Fighting?

 

[Riddle]

The Counter game isn't a continuous chain. Every matchup is fresh afaik. Otherwise there are a lot of other problems with out system lol.

 

[GreatRit]

err for the last 3?
Forretress @ Shed Shell.
Gyro Ball.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Thunder Wave.

Dugtrio @ Life Orb
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant
Earthquake

 

[Wave⁂]

The Counter game isn't a continuous chain. Every matchup is fresh afaik. Otherwise there are a lot of other problems with out system lol.

You didn't answer any of my questions.