Tails For Brawl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SonicMario]

Tails will be an AT if he's lucky. But he's really not an interesting character...follow Sonic around and hover...\/\/007!!1

Why does everyone classify Tails as someone that follows Sonic all the time? He also has his machines like the Tornado 2 to assist. Although he is the youngest character (excluding Charmy & Cream), he is smarter in intelligence to even Sonic.

 

[SonicMario]

To tell you guys the truth I'd rather just have Tails in it than Sonic. But since sonic is the main character I guess we need him in too for Tails to be in :/

Tails is the only other chracter that deserves to be in this game and not an AT character (Amy, Shadow, Knuckles, Silver can be tho).

Out of all the games, three characters had thier own games. Sonic, Tails, and Shadow

Sonic - I have no frikein Idea
Tails - 2
Shadow - 1

Tails has the second most games in the sonic series in which he stars in them.

If Tails makes it in to brawl I would play only him to become the best with him(since he would be unique).

Sorry about Double Post but....

You forgot about Knuckles. Remember Knuckles Chaotix? so it is now

Sonic- LOTS
Tails- 2
Shadow- 1
Knuckles- 1

 

[Shuma]

"Why does everyone classify Tails as someone that follows Sonic all the time?"

...

Because he does.

 

[Del Money]

Sorry about Double Post but....

You forgot about Knuckles. Remember Knuckles Chaotix? so it is now

Sonic- LOTS
Tails- 2
Shadow- 1
Knuckles- 1

ok...i never count Knucles chaotix as a Knuckles game just cuz he aint solo in it. i prefer him to Tails but Tails will get priority over Knuckles anyday

"Why does everyone classify Tails as someone that follows Sonic all the time?"

...

Because he does.

maybe in the past but now theyre all solo acts (except Sonic Heroes of course). and plus Tails is reduced to a nobody while Shadow reigns over fanboy heaven

 

[RDK]

@Jigglymaster
ok then but why are you so sure Konami wont steal 2 slots?

@NRWC Money
i used to agree with the nintendo-lackof-favoritism idea too but you think it cant be a first come first serve deal?

Some people are of the mindset that Konami will shove in Simon ****ing Belmont.

I'm still gunning for 3rd-party equality.

 

[Del Money]

i agree, **** belmont yo thats stupid. make him an AT or something. its a better value since Snake's in. buying in bulk mother****erssss

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Tails are already in Brawl! Pikachu has a tail, Fox has a tail, Bowser has a tail, Yoshi has a tail!.. Tails confirmed! (Heres an idea for the Dr. Mario thread if it wasnt already done)

If they go with more 3rd party I think they would go for one per franchise to leave room for others if they can.

 

[RDK]

If they go with more 3rd party I think they would go for one per franchise to leave room for others if they can.

DING! DING! DING!

We have a winna!

 

[Jigglymaster]

Tails are already in Brawl! Pikachu has a tail, Fox has a tail, Bowser has a tail, Yoshi has a tail!.. Tails confirmed! (Heres an idea for the Dr. Mario thread if it wasnt already done)

If they go with more 3rd party I think they would go for one per franchise to leave room for others if they can.

Yea but that dosn't mean that Miles"Tails"Prower is confirmed.

 

[the grim lizard]

maybe in the past but now theyre all solo acts (except Sonic Heroes of course). and plus Tails is reduced to a nobody while Shadow reigns over fanboy heaven

Yeah, but now that he's on his own he's even more annoying. Tails annoyed the crap out of me in Sonic Adventure 2.

 

[NukeA6]

The only Sonic character with a chance for Brawl is Sonic. There will no Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman, Shadow, or Chaos as playable characters. AT is the only chance for them.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Really if Tails isn't in it I wouldn't want to see Sonic in it at all. Cause I don't really care for Sonic, only Tails. But Sonic needs to be in it for there to be Tails. But if its only Sonic, I'll find that quite gay.

 

[NukeA6]

Really if Tails isn't in it I wouldn't want to see Sonic in it at all. Cause I don't really care for Sonic, only Tails. But Sonic needs to be in it for there to be Tails. But if its only Sonic, I'll find that quite gay.

You do realize there are only one or two spots for more third party characters? They won't fill it up with Sonic characters.

 

[Del Money]

Yeah, but now that he's on his own he's even more annoying. Tails annoyed the crap out of me in Sonic Adventure 2.

lol yeah. especially his boss battles where he used that special attack and called out his attack worse that Ash Ketchum in pokemon. oh and remember the "All I know is that...WE ALL DID IT TOGETHER!" line at the end of the final story? *headdeskheaddesk*

The only Sonic character with a chance for Brawl is Sonic. There will no Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Eggman, Shadow, or Chaos as playable characters. AT is the only chance for them.

though its the most likely possibly, dont rule out the first-come-first-serve rule for 3rd party companies just yet...if i see all konami 3rd parties imma scream sooo loud

Really if Tails isn't in it I wouldn't want to see Sonic in it at all. Cause I don't really care for Sonic, only Tails. But Sonic needs to be in it for there to be Tails. But if its only Sonic, I'll find that quite gay.

ok well at times, fanboyism is ok but sometimes you just gotta be a realist...Tails could never make it over Sonic so that dream is crushed. Tails could ONLY be playable if Sega acquires 2 3rd party slots and since theres only a max of 2 slots left (as far as we know anyways) why would nintendo promote favoritism towards Sega?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

ok...i never count Knucles chaotix as a Knuckles game just cuz he aint solo in it. i prefer him to Tails but Tails will get priority over Knuckles anyday

Outside of using some puncuation...technically, you played as multiple other characters in Shadow the Hedgehog. Thus, your logic makes no sense. Knuckles' Chaotix is still technically a Knuckles game. Also, Tails has 3 games. Tails' Adventure, Tails' Sky Patrol, and some Music related game.

I like Tails, but I still would rather see Sonic, as that means a chance for Metal Sonic(albeit, not the real one, just the variation from Sonic Heroes), and since Metal Sonic is one of my two favorite characters from the Sonic series, I'll be happy with it.

 

[Del Money]

Outside of using some puncuation...technically, you played as multiple other characters in Shadow the Hedgehog. Thus, your logic makes no sense. Knuckles' Chaotix is still technically a Knuckles game. Also, Tails has 3 games. Tails' Adventure, Tails' Sky Patrol, and some Music related game.

I like Tails, but I still would rather see Sonic, as that means a chance for Metal Sonic(albeit, not the real one, just the variation from Sonic Heroes), and since Metal Sonic is one of my two favorite characters from the Sonic series, I'll be happy with it.

ok first of all, screw punctuation. secondly, you do not have directly control over ANY characters movement in Shadow the Hedgehog besides...well Shadow the Hedgehog while in Knuckles Chaotix (though i admit i havent played it), I'm sure the user most definitely has an effect on the movement of the Chaotix characters. if i'm wrong...oh well if i'm right, then theres my logic youve been search so hard for. third, Tails and the Music Maker i neglected to mention for its own self-damming reasons. and fourth, i'm not a Tails fanboy and would rather see Sonic as well. I'm just saying I would rather have Tails take any secondary position over Shadow, whether that position be a secondary plyable Sega character (almost impossible) or an AT (semi-impossible).

 

[RDK]

Hey, Del Money. Where the hell were you yesterday?

And did you guys see the update? WTF?

 

[PrinnyFlute]

I wouldn't discount the possibility of two Sonic characters too easily. Remember, for major licensed characters like Megaman, it can be a real load of legalnese crap to trudge through. (If it'd even work out for Megaman. As I said it before, we don't know how stubborn Capcom could be about this.)

I wouldn't completely blame Sakurai if, aside from Solid Snake, he just focused on letting players relive the glorious 16-bit wars by putting two Sonic characters in, therefor not having to deal with any other unscrupulous companies or lawyers. Just grab another classic Sonic character while you're hanging out at Sega's offices signing some papers for Sonic himself anyway.

 

[Del Money]

I wouldn't completely blame Sakurai if, aside from Solid Snake, he just focused on letting players relive the glorious 16-bit wars by putting two Sonic characters in, therefor not having to deal with any other unscrupulous companies or lawyers. Just grab another classic Sonic character while you're hanging out at Sega's offices signing some papers for Sonic himself anyway.

well for one, how is that not favoritism? most people dont want brawl's 3rd party character to favor Sega....they want Sonic and then another 3rd party. secondly, reliving the Genesis days? correct me if im wrong but werent Sega and Nintendo rivals back then? why would Sakurai ever want to bring back the Genesis days when during those days, popular series like Megaman and Bomberman was going strogn on Nintendo consoles. yes i like Tails and would like to see some Sega originality brought back, but not in brawl if it means its at the expense of many more worthy 3rd parties than Tails. and many others would agree

 

[RDK]

Sonic 4 Brawl

= Has a Good Chance

Sonic + Megaman 4 Brawl

= Less Likely, But Would be Awesome

Sonic + Megaman + Bomberman 4 Brawl

= Not Very Likely at all, But Would be Ideal

RDK 4 Brawl

= Teh T!ts

 

[PrinnyFlute]

well for one, how is that not favoritism? most people dont want brawl's 3rd party character to favor Sega....they want Sonic and then another 3rd party. secondly, reliving the Genesis days? correct me if im wrong but werent Sega and Nintendo rivals back then? why would Sakurai ever want to bring back the Genesis days when during those days, popular series like Megaman and Bomberman was going strogn on Nintendo consoles. yes i like Tails and would like to see some Sega originality brought back, but not in brawl if it means its at the expense of many more worthy 3rd parties than Tails. and many others would agree

Well, that's what I mean by 16-bit days. Reliving that RIVALRY. Because of that rivalry, there are surely millions of older players who want to see Sega and Nintendo duking it out pretty heavily. I don't see anything wrong with favoritism, anyway. Nintendo and Sega are very, very much alike, and their histories are very much tied together. Sega's hurting for press right now, and if they're willing to give out their characters easily, why not grab two?

But more than anything, I'm just saying that choosing between a second Sonic character and, say, Megaman, isn't as easy as flipping a switch. If Sakurai would have to spend a big fat chunk of change and a month of lawyers fee's to get Megaman in after Sonic, do you think he'd do that instead of just saying, "Shoot, put Knuckles in," and be done with it? I'm fairly sure I remember Miyamoto or Sakurai saying that they weren't going to spend too much time in talks over third party characters so as to not infringe on development time.

--Don't get me wrong, I want to see Megaman, Bomberman, etc. in the game. I'm just doubting how practical it may be for Sakurai to actually get them in there unless these guys really do 'beg' him like Kojima did. Since there's only like an extra slot or two left, and we know Sonic is the most prefered 3rd party character right now... Well, would Sakurai pick Tails or Knuckles, (who would still make very, very many people happy anyway,) who he could just grab like candy, or would he go possibly weeks out of his way for another third party candidate's mascot like Megaman?

 

[Del Money]

@PrinnyFlute

well ive already seen our logic that if brawl get Sonic, rather than waste their time on other 3rd parties they may just grab other Sega character and be done with it...but lets think realistically here. the Tails fanbase size is a joke. in this thread its pretty much just you and JigglyMaster and somewhat myself. the megaman fanbase is almost as big as Sonic's and the creator of megaman already said he would (ask Bluebomber22 for the info source) just like Yuji Naka said he wanted Sonic in brawl.

now assuming that were the case and it didnt matter how much larger the megaman or bomberma fanbase was, Tails would still have to win a spot over Shadow and i already explained the likelihood and conditioning for that too actually happen.

im just hoping you see when im coming from with all this. Tails chances just dont seem too hot because theres all these "if" conditions one after the other

 

[PrinnyFlute]

Well, of course. You make a good point, but I think most of the assumptions made here are considering what current, regular gamers want or would think. Casual gamers and retro gamers (ones that stopped after the 16-bit era and only return for the occasional party/social game, like Smash, nowadays. Many, many college students are like this nowadays,) would mostly consider Tails just another classic icon of gaming, on the level of Megaman, Samus, or anyone else from long-long-ago.

I'd suggest a poll to see how many people are largely indifferent about two Sonic characters instead of Sonic and Megaman/Bomberman/etc, but I think we'd have to agree the Smash boards tend to be pretty biased toward a 'hardcore gamer' view, which, as far as Nintendo concerned, is really only one piece of the marketing pie.

 

[RDK]

...I wish one of us had a premium account...then we could make polls like that...

 

[Del Money]

Well, of course. You make a good point, but I think most of the assumptions made here are considering what current, regular gamers want or would think. Casual gamers and retro gamers (ones that stopped after the 16-bit era and only return for the occasional party/social game, like Smash, nowadays. Many, many college students are like this nowadays,) would mostly consider Tails just another classic icon of gaming, on the level of Megaman, Samus, or anyone else from long-long-ago.

I'd suggest a poll to see how many people are largely indifferent about two Sonic characters instead of Sonic and Megaman/Bomberman/etc, but I think we'd have to agree the Smash boards tend to be pretty biased toward a 'hardcore gamer' view, which, as far as Nintendo concerned, is really only one piece of the marketing pie.

well i can summarize everything you just said in one sentence..."Smashboards is not the entire video game community." and though i agree that these boards are heavily biased to the hardcore gamer (which is why like 90% of everyone here are Geno and Olimar fanboys), i still see Tails inclusion as a gamble at best. in a sense that Sakurai's want to be "efficient" he could easily make Sonic and Tails a ICs-style duo and basically kill 4 birds with 1 stone because:
1. it would relive the 16-bit Genesis day
2. slow down Sonic enough so hes not broken
3. get 2 Sega characters for one 3rd party slot
4. piss off quite a lot of people myself included

this would be an example of Sakurai doing what he wants and feeling necessary without fan approval. is it feasible? yes. it is understandable? yes. is it likable? hell no. andit surely doesnt rpresent the current (and crappier) times of the Sonic franchise. classic or recent? the decision is up to them but when it comes to character choices Sakurai has to keep the fanbases in mind while not always adhering to unfeasible demands (like hunting down more 3rd party companies within a month or two before release and you stated). but still theres so much info that we know and much more that we dont know. so as with all discussion threads, everything is purely speculation based on fact and common sense (in most non-n00b cases)