Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Khoru]

Kamiya: My games may be niche; but I am a god of that niche and wouldn't change that if it meant compromising how I want my games to live.
Phil Fish: I AM THE GAMING MESSIAH

feex

literally what
lmao
if anything at all, kamiya is much worse than fish

 

[Burruni]

literally what
lmao
if anything at all, kamiya is much worse than fish

Kamiya aggressively replies & retaliates to those who do things he's expressed ticks him off on his twitter.
Phil Fish said that he'd never let his game touch PC because their only purpose is to do spreadsheets.

Just as examples of both.

 

[NintenZ]

Kamiya's two most notable traits,
1. SMASH IDIOTS!
2. Blocking people

The more you know.
(You all knew though didn't you?)

 

[Khoru]

Kamiya aggressively replies & retaliates to those who do things he's expressed ticks him off on his twitter.
Phil Fish said that he'd never let his game touch PC because their only purpose is to do spreadsheets.

Just as examples of both.

nice cherrypicking
i really wish i could get fez on stea- oh wait

 

[Burruni]

nice cherrypicking
i really wish i could get fez on stea- oh wait

Yep. He backpedaled on what he made such a massive deal about.
But, in other regards.
Edit: I can't post that link into the Media format because it's url has the respelling of a curse word.

The image is his tweets saying that anyone who gains money through Youtube and has played FEZ should be spending part of their pay check directly to him because "anything else would be piracy."

 

[Oasis Dealer]

I remember when Phil Fish canceled Fez 2 mostly over an argument on Twitter. Sounds like a great dude.

 

[N3ON]

Whatever man Kirby got two original popular characters last time, its principle cast is already there and the series is represented perfectly adequately.

Bandana Dee is a superfluous dessert when DK can barely get to the main course. Even with two new AAA titles in the interim.

Also Metroid could stand to get another character too but the only one that makes sense at this point is Ridley and Sakurai is all "lol that makes no sense" about it so that's not gunna happen. sadface

Asking for Bandana Dee to me seems like after having gotten Dixie and K. Rool and then being like NOW LANKY!! or getting Wolf back and then being like NOW KRYSTAL!! They're fine characters and all, Krystal is one of my most wanted, but it's like... ehhh, the series doesn't lose anything without them there.

If they were clones and could go all "Dark Pit, you just here to crash my party?" that'd be one thing, but it's another with original characters.

If anything Zelda should be the next one to dip into its b-tier. It's got such a good one too.

 

[Khoru]

I remember when Phil Fish canceled Fez 2 mostly over an argument on Twitter. Sounds like a great dude.

do you think that maybe it was because people demonize him

nah, that couldn't possibly be it

 

[Luigi The President]

do you think that maybe it was because people demonize him

nah, that couldn't possibly be it

Maybe he's demonized for a reason lmao.

 

[Burruni]

do you think that maybe it was because people demonize him

nah, that couldn't possibly be it

There's a reason people feel the way they do.

 

[Khoru]

Maybe he's demonized for a reason lmao.

he poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses

 

[Luigi The President]

he poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses

Hilarious maymay but

There's a reason people feel the way they do.

 

[NintenZ]

Whatever man Kirby got two original popular characters last time, its principle cast is already there and the series is represented perfectly adequately.

Bandana Dee is a superfluous dessert when DK can barely get to the main course. Even with two new AAA titles in the interim.

Also Metroid could stand to get another character too but the only one that makes sense at this point is Ridley and Sakurai is all "lol that makes no sense" about it so that's not gunna happen. sadface

Asking for Bandana Dee to me seems like after having gotten Dixie and K. Rool and then being like NOW LANKY!! or getting Wolf back and then being like NOW KRYSTAL!! They're fine characters and all, Krystal is one of my most wanted, but it's like... ehhh, the series doesn't lose anything without them there.

If they were clones and could go all "Dark Pit, you just here to crash my party?" that'd be one thing, but it's another with original characters.

If anything Zelda should be the next one to dip into its b-tier. It's got such a good one too.

Not really, Bandana Dee is actually pretty important to his series unlike Lanky and Krystal respectively. And has appeared in many more games then either of them.
Let's count:

Bandana Dee-7
Krystal-2
Lanky-1

So as you can see the comparison is kinda off, (No hard feelings or anything I just wanted to put that out there), but also he's one of the major four now, while this is coming from a diehard Kirby fan that's played all of the games and knows just about everything there is from the series, I can wholeheartedly say, that the roster just feels a bit incomplete without him. :/ Of course this is only my opinion, you don't have to agree with me at all, I'm just saying that it's more like a gift after a nice meal and less like superfluous dessert, but again, only my opinion. So let's just agree, to disagree.

EDIT: None of you have to agree either, it's just my opinion, and I don't want to continue this discussion, as I can't see this going anywhere good... :/

 

[Luigi The President]

Not really, Bandana Dee is actually pretty important to his series unlike Lanky and Krystal respectively. And has appeared in many more games then either of them.
Let's count:

Bandana Dee-7
Krystal-2
Lanky-1

So as you can see the comparison is kinda off, (No hard feelings or anything I just wanted to put that out there), but also he's one of the major four now, while this is coming from a diehard Kirby fan that's played all of the games and knows just about everything there is from the series, I can wholeheartedly say, that the roster just feels a bit incomplete without him. :/ Of course this is only my opinion, you don't have to agree with me at all, I'm just saying that it's more like a gift after a nice meal and less like superfluous dessert, but again, only my opinion. So let's just agree, to disagree.

I'm pretty sure he means in comparison to other series that are underepped. I want Bandana Dee too, one of my most wanted, but he shouldn't come first right now.

 

[A Distant Demon]

he poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses

I would make a joke about Scott Pilgrim being too pure to be associated with controversy. . .but then I remembered Scott is actually kind of an ass. . .

Man I love that series.
EDIT it helps if you actually quote the post you are replying to

Whatever man Kirby got two original popular characters last time, its principle cast is already there and the series is represented perfectly adequately.

Bandana Dee is a superfluous dessert when DK can barely get to the main course. Even with two new AAA titles in the interim.

Also Metroid could stand to get another character too but the only one that makes sense at this point is Ridley and Sakurai is all "lol that makes no sense" about it so that's not gunna happen. sadface

Asking for Bandana Dee to me seems like after having gotten Dixie and K. Rool and then being like NOW LANKY!! or getting Wolf back and then being like NOW KRYSTAL!! They're fine characters and all, Krystal is one of my most wanted, but it's like... ehhh, the series doesn't lose anything without them there.

If they were clones and could go all "Dark Pit, you just here to crash my party?" that'd be one thing, but it's another with original characters.

If anything Zelda should be the next one to dip into its b-tier. It's got such a good one too.

You make it sound like people aren't allowed to want more for one series because another isn't filled out.

When it really shouldn't be like that. It shouldn't be impossible to get *insert B tier charcter here* because we dont have Toad yet.


Should we have Dixie and K rool? Absolutely. But just because we don't have them doesn't mean we can't want/get things from other series that have absolutely nothing to do with DK.

 

[Khoru]

Hilarious maymay but

thank you for your reply
i can see how much effort went into clicking the quote button

kamiya is without a doubt as "bad" as fish
like. sure his tweets can be funny in a schadenfreude sort of way? but that doesn't change being an asshole.
and if you (collective) don't think kamiya's an asshole then idfk what to say

 

[Deleted member]

Phil Fish is actually a good person? What else is changed in this alternate reality? Hitler feeding stray cats? Ghandi starting a nuclear war? Trump getting elected and giving jobs to imigrants? Man, what a crazy world I have stumbled upon

 

[Burruni]

thank you for your reply
i can see how much effort went into clicking the quote button

kamiya is without a doubt as "bad" as fish
like. sure his tweets can be funny in a schadenfreude sort of way? but that doesn't change being an *******.
and if you (collective) don't think kamiya's an ******* then idfk what to say

They're both arrogant men with ego's that extend beyond where they should.
We never said otherwise.
It's just that Phil is more of an extremist in the personality and crossed into a way that's just seen as negatively.

What else is changed in this alternate reality? Ghandi starting a nuclear war?

More likely than you'd think.

 

[NintenZ]

I'm pretty sure he means in comparison to other series that are underepped. I want Bandana Dee too, one of my most wanted, but he shouldn't come first right now.

That is true actually, I think that characters like K. Rool, and Dixie should come before him. But that's just my two cents.

 

[Luigi The President]

thank you for your reply
i can see how much effort went into clicking the quote button

kamiya is without a doubt as "bad" as fish
like. sure his tweets can be funny in a schadenfreude sort of way? but that doesn't change being an *******.
and if you (collective) don't think kamiya's an ******* then idfk what to say

Why are you being so sarcastic and witty? Like seriously can you please make an actual argument as to why Phil isn't a bad dude because that's what I'm picking up from your posts. And the quote was a valid point.

Kamiya's at least shown he's nice, at least to some people; I've never seen Phil been a kind person ever.

 

[Deleted member]

Their attitudes are different. So I can understand why one can dislike one over the other. Kamiya being pretty stern and stubborn, while Fish, to put it bluntly, is a whiny *****. Kamiya is stubborn and sticks with ideas because of mostly idiotic stuff annoying him but often for good reason, while Fish tends to be whiny and stern only to back pettle in fear.

Simpily put, it's like a smartass vs a dumbass. I avoid both types as people to stay relaxed, but personally, I prefer the smartass as at least most of their points tend be based upon good logic and reasoning despite often being total *****. While the dumbass says a bunch of stupid stuff based soley on feelings, only to later be the victim as when you say stupid ****, there's a good chance all kinds of people are going to call you out. Even in uncalled for ways, but personally to that, I say welcome to planet earth.

 

[ChikoLad]

I watched The Geek Critique's Smash 4 video (and then their other Smash videos after), and it really helped put into perspective the one thing keeping me from feeling Smash 4 is a fantastic game that could be one of the best in history. The title of the video sums it up best.

"Catering to the Core, Losing the Character"

I mean for all of my gripes with the single player and online elements with Smash 4 (i.e. all there really is for me to take advantage of 99% of the time), I think I could forgive them if the game at least...did SOMETHING with these characters. But it doesn't.

Like it doesn't even need a full on platforming adventure with story like SSE.

Thinking about this made me look up the Rival cutscenes from Playstation All-Stars.

Now say what you want about the game.

But it EASILY has way more in the "character" department, just due to these cutscenes alone. And the little intros and endings too.

 

[Arcturian]

I finally get to use this picture

 

[Pazzo.]

Phil Fish is actually a good person? What else is changed in this alternate reality? Hitler feeding stray cats? Ghandi starting a nuclear war? Trump getting elected and giving jobs to imigrants? Man, what a crazy world I have stumbled upon

Nice try.

That's already in this reality.

Spoiler

 

[Khoru]

Kamiya's at least shown he's nice, at least to some people; I've never seen Phil been a kind person ever.

The availability heuristic is a mental shortcut that relies on immediate examples that come to a given person's mind when evaluating a specific topic, concept, method or decision. The availability heuristic operates on the notion that if something can be recalled, it must be important, or at least more important than alternative solutions which are not as readily recalled. Subsequently, under the availability heuristic people tend to heavily weigh their judgments toward more recent information, making new opinions biased toward that latest news.

 

[Deleted member]

Kamiya is a Jerk with a Heart of Gold
While Fish is a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk
Simple enough

 

[Luigi The President]

The availability heuristic is a mental shortcut that relies on immediate examples that come to a given person's mind when evaluating a specific topic, concept, method or decision. The availability heuristic operates on the notion that if something can be recalled, it must be important, or at least more important than alternative solutions which are not as readily recalled. Subsequently, under the availability heuristic people tend to heavily weigh their judgments toward more recent information, making new opinions biased toward that latest news.

I can see a lot of effort went into that copypaste

Even if I can't or can recall it, it seems literally no one else can, so I think it's safe to say Phil hasn't been nice to people, at least online.

And, though I don't quite understand this whole availabilty heuristic, Kamiya's been kind numerous times this month and earlier times. Like year ago times.

Fun fact: I was blocked by Kamiya on twitter.

 

[Arcturian]

Kamiya is a Jerk with a Heart of Gold
While Fish is a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk
Simple enough

Also Kamiya makes a bunch of good games
While Fish made one pretty good game

 

[A Distant Demon]

This is why I foolow my own belief


Every human deep down is an asshole. Might as well eat them.
Ridley for Space Prime Minister

 

[Arcturian]

Space pirates can't be trusted.

Down with Ridley

 

[Burruni]

Nice try.

That's already in this reality.

Spoiler

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ALREADY POSTED THAT IMAGE.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hoo boy, this is getting a bit out of hand I think. Here's my stance
Kamiya hasn't caused as much controversy as Fish despite being more active, never whined about Youtubers not giving him money, still makes high quality games, and also tries to keep in touch with fans, being nice to them aswell. Phil cancelled a game because someone who didn't like him argued with him an twitter, AKA, someone who probably wouldn't buy FEZ anyway
Kamiya seems like a nicer guy, I have yet to see a single positive trait about Phil

 

[N3ON]

Not really, Bandana Dee is actually pretty important to his series unlike Lanky and Krystal respectively. And has appeared in many more games then either of them.
Let's count:

Bandana Dee-7
Krystal-2
Lanky-1

So as you can see the comparison is kinda off, (No hard feelings or anything I just wanted to put that out there), but also he's one of the major four now, while this is coming from a diehard Kirby fan that's played all of the games and knows just about everything there is from the series, I can wholeheartedly say, that the roster just feels a bit incomplete without him. :/ Of course this is only my opinion, you don't have to agree with me at all, I'm just saying that it's more like a gift after a nice meal and less like superfluous dessert, but again, only my opinion. So let's just agree, to disagree.

EDIT: None of you have to agree either, it's just my opinion, and I don't want to continue this discussion, as I can't see this going anywhere good... :/

And Diglett has appeared in more games than Bandana Dee. A direct comparison is kinda faulty considering it's not like those series reside in the same frequency or volume bracket. If you want to go percent wise Krystal's is higher than Dee's.

The point I'm making is they're all b-tier characters in their series, that's their similitude. You might disagree, but Bandana Dee had what, one playable role, like... one supporting role and a bunch of minor appearances? I wouldn't exactly put him on par or anywhere close to the three already there. Him being in Smash would be fine, if you support him then go for it. I'm just saying there's no big Bandana Dee shaped hole in the Kirby series whereby its current incarnation feels incomplete (like with DK and Metroid) for anyone other than Kirby fans and general Bandana Dee supporters.

I mean if the roster feels lacking without him why can't the same be said for Impa or Krystal (assuming we count Wolf) or Goroh? They're the next logical steps in their series inclusion... but it's not like they need to be included... they're of the b-tier and we already have the a-tier, which is why it doesn't really feel like much is lacking without them. At least in general, not to specific fans of those characters.

You make it sound like people aren't allowed to want more for one series because another isn't filled out.

When it really shouldn't be like that. It shouldn't be impossible to get *insert B tier charcter here* because we dnt have Toad yet.


Should we have Dixie and K rool? Absolutely. But just because we don't have them doesn't mean we can't want/get things from other series that have absolutely nothing to do with DK.

I'm saying it doesn't really matter. People can want whatever they want, but it's not like Kirby is lacking its main cast or is in a state of being wanting like some other series.

 

[Khoru]

Even if I can't or can recall it, it seems literally no one else can, so I think it's safe to say Phil hasn't been nice to people, at least online.

"literally no one", in this case, is a group of people that equate him with hitler or the like for being a **** on the internet
i'm not trawling through his tweets (if they're even there? last i saw his twitter's private) to prove that "look, he really is human!"

like ok
i can understand not taking a shine to the guy? because he's definitely said stuff i disagree with
but it's pretty hypocritical to then laugh at kamiya doing very similar things and talk about how he's such a funny guy
ed mcmillen is kinda the same way, albeit smaller obviously
eat your steak

 

[A Distant Demon]

Space pirates can't be trusted.

Down with Ridley

Space Pirates will Never Falter to do what must be done for the greater good.

This may or may not be an inside joke

 

[Burruni]

YO.
NEW SUBJECT TIME.

NX Title wishlists, go!

: Galaxy 3. Mario Sports Mix 2. Ultra 3D World. Strikers 3. Ultra Paper Mario

: A game where Ganon is the antagonist.

: RtD 2

: Stadium 3, Gen 7/8 if it's truly the hybrid console.

: DKCR3: Croccageddon
: Ultra Metroid 2.5d true Metroidania title.
: Fire Emblem 15

: Pikmin 4

: Chronicles X-2
: Legends 3
: Bayonetta 3
: FF5 "HD"

 

[Luigi The President]

"literally no one", in this case, is a group of people that equate him with hitler or the like for being a **** on the internet
i'm not trawling through his tweets (if they're even there? last i saw his twitter's private) to prove that "look, he really is human!"

like ok
i can understand not taking a shine to the guy? because he's definitely said stuff i disagree with
but it's pretty hypocritical to then laugh at kamiya doing very similar things and talk about how he's such a funny guy
ed mcmillen is kinda the same way, albeit smaller obviously
eat your steak

I understand you're saying this collectively but I don't really laugh at Kamiya's tweets so.
This all comes down to an opinion of who's the worse man really. And I have to say Kamiya's a better guy then Phil; but this isn't even an exactly nice discussion.
Also what does eat your steak mean genuinely curious as to if it's a metaphor or something else because this is the first time I've heard it

 

[Khoru]

: RtD 2

would you not consider 3d to be essentially that

this is a legitimate question, not snark

Also what does eat your steak mean genuinely curious as to if it's a metaphor or something else because this is the first time I've heard it

when the binding of isaac rebirth launched, there was a secret character that required like
unlocking an item, finding it in the game, and killing yourself in a very specific manner
and for the whole community to do this to piece together a puzzle that then showed more deaths in a specific manner in a specific order with specific characters that would unlock a SUPER SECRET CHARACTER!! that was actually complete garbage
people were like less than a day from solving this and dataminers just kinda cut out the middleman and showed it off, but mcmillen got super mad and compared leaking it to "swallowing a $300 steak in one bite"

also there were steam achievements that talked about the secret character and that's like, the worst possible way to keep a secret

 

[Luigi The President]

YO.
NEW SUBJECT TIME.

NX Title wishlists, go!

: Galaxy 3. Mario Sports Mix 2. Ultra 3D World. Strikers 3.

: A game where Ganon is the antagonist.

: RtD 2

: Stadium 3, Gen 7/8 if it's truly the hybrid console.

: DKCR3: Croccageddon
: Ultra Metroid 2.5d true Metroidania title.
: Fire Emblem 15

: Pikmin 4

: Chronicles X-2
: Legends 3
: Bayonetta 3
: FF5 "HD"

You know what I want
(if you don't know what i want i want paper mario)

 

[Arcturian]

YO.
NEW SUBJECT TIME.

NX Title wishlists, go!

: Galaxy 3. Mario Sports Mix 2. Ultra 3D World. Strikers 3.

: A game where Ganon is the antagonist.

: RtD 2

: Stadium 3, Gen 7/8 if it's truly the hybrid console.

: DKCR3: Croccageddon
: Ultra Metroid 2.5d true Metroidania title.
: Fire Emblem 15

: Pikmin 4

: Chronicles X-2
: Legends 3
: Bayonetta 3
: FF5 "HD"

The sequel to F-Zero GX: known as F-Zero NX.