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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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Burruni

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Zygarde 100% though also has patches of blue on one side, and red on the other.

Mind you, in mythology, Hel is said to be half alive, and half dead, and what do you know. The Blue most likely represents Xerneas, the life Pokemon, and the red represents Yveltal, the death Pokemon.

Ergo, half alive, and half dead.

That, and all three just HAPPEN to be parallels to Loki's spawns are just too coincidental.
You remark half blue half red and mythos...

I'd also point to the SMT incarnation of Ardha; the dual-gendered diety of Shiva and Parvati becoming one. Which I would post an image of but it has an exposed body part to drive home that half of the torso is female.
 
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You remark half blue half red and mythos...

I'd also point to the SMT incarnation of Ardha; the dual-gendered diety of Shiva and Parvati becoming one. Which I would post an image of but it has an exposed body part to drive home that half of the torso is female.
That's more to do with Shiva being Blue in SMT lore I feel, though my Hindu mythos knowledge is lower than I'd like, I admit.
 

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FE1: To be honest, the only issue I had with it was items. Beyond that though, I think it's a fun title to pick up now and again. It's aged mechanically, but everything that's fun is still fun. Gen 1 Pokemon is the best comparison, minus all the glitches.

FE2: More of an FE title than people give it credit for. Fixed FE1's issues with items, improved the graphics, music, and story. FE but you can only hold one item that's usually OP.

FE3: More or less FE1 2.0. Aside from changing items back it doesn't do too much new. Has more charm than FE11/12 IMO ironically.

FE4: Pretty much.

FE5: Pretty much. If you want FE to be any more frustrating.

FE6: More or less FE3 with better hardware and more story.

FE7: Pretty much. The 2nd hardest of the Western releases. Never got the love for Hector.

FE8: Pretty much. Development was probably rushed. Not a bad game, just doesn't have as much charm as FE7. Maybe easier to get into.

FE9: Best game in the series IMO, objectively the most balanced. Only flaw would be meh late gen graphics and dat $100 price tag.

FE10: Mixed bag IMO. Great story, better graphics, but kills support conversations, Micaiah chapters are horribly unbalanced. Pretty sure NA's Normal is JP's Hard. Like FE3, definitely best as an & Knuckles title.

FE11: FE1 with better graphics. Online & Class Changes sadly can't overcome how barebones it is overall.

FE12: FE11 if it was a proper remake. Avatar is horribly unbalanced, but you have more control over them storywise.

FE13: FE12 with the worst story in the series, no online, and a rebalanced Avatar who's their own character now. Probably the easiest game in the series. Not the best entry point, but is probably better of one than FE2/4/5/10.

FE14: N/A. Hopefully an improvement over FE13.
I have to ask you what you mean by "balance," because FE9 is sooner the least balanced than the most balanced the way I see it. Anyone with a mount makes anyone else superfluous. Like, Knights are almost never good, but in this game they are legitimately worthless because by the time they get anywhere the chapter is already done. Other foot units don't fare a whole lot better.

Best balanced is probably 7 or 10, though for the record, I find balance in these games to be a pointless metric to judge them by.
 

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So... I've compiled a list of all the titles slated to release on Nintendo hardware in 2016 and beyond. They're listed in three categories; Confirmed, Rumored and Speculation.

Let me know if I missed any titles.

Credit goes to IGN which I got the majority of the info from. I only added other things on top of that.

  • Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam (3DS) [1/22/16]

  • Pokèmon Red, Blue and Yellow (GB Virtual Console on 3DS) [2/19/16]

  • Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright & Conquest (3DS) [2/19/16]

  • The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD (Wii U) [3/4/16]

  • Hyrule Warriors Legends (3DS) [3/25/15]

  • Star Fox Zero (Wii U) [4/22/15]

  • Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (Wii U/3DS) [August 2016]

  • Pokken Tournament (Wii U) [Q2 2016]

  • Metroid Prime: Federation Force (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Fire Emblem Fates: Revelation (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem #FE (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • The Legend of Zelda Wii U (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Pikmin 4 (Wii U) [TBA 2016]
  • New IP from Retro Studios (Wii U, 3DS or NX) [TBA]
  • Bayonetta 3 (Wii U) [TBA]

  • Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS on NX: Definitive Edition (NX) [TBA]

  • New Metroid (NX) [TBA]

  • The Legend of Zelda Wii U on NX (NX) [TBA]

  • Mother 3 U.S Localization (GBA Virtual Console on Wii U) [TBA]

  • Pokèmon Z (3DS) [TBA 2016]
  • LEGO Marvel’s Avengers (Wii U/3DS) [1/26/16]

  • Final Fantasy Explorers (3DS) [1/26/16]

  • Mighty No. 9 (Wii U) [2/9/16]

  • Project X Zone 2 (3DS) [2/16/16]

  • Mega Man Legacy Collection [2/23/16]

  • Terraria (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Mighty No. 9 (3DS) [Q2 2016]

  • Bravely Second: End Layer (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Dragon Quest VII: Fragments of the Forgotten Past (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Dragon Quest VIII (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Dragon Quest XI (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Yooka-Laylee (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Lost Reavers (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Minecraft: Story Mode – A Telltale Game Series (Wii U) [TBA 2016]
  • Dragon Quest XI (NX) [TBA]

  • Sonic Generations/Colors HD Compilation (Wii U) [TBA]

  • Sonic the Hedgehog 25th Anniversary Game (Wii U and/or 3DS) [TBA]
  • Final Fantasy VII Remake (NX) [TBA]
  • Kingdom Hearts III (NX) [TBA]
  • Gunscape (Wii U) [January 2016]

  • Lovely Planet (Wii U) [January 2016]

  • Return to Popolo: A Story of Seasons Fairytale (3DS) [2/16/16]

  • 6180 The Moon (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Soul Axiom (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Hue (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Kerbal Space Program (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Hive Jump (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • SteamWorld Heist (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Assault Android Cactus (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Shantae: Half-Genie Hero (Wii U) [Q1 2016]

  • Hyper Light Drifter (Wii U) [Q2 2016]

  • Dex (Wii U) [Q2 2016]

  • Cyramore (Wii U) [Q2 2016]

  • Lengrisser Re:Incarnation -Tensei- (3DS) [Q2 2016]

  • Contra Advance: The Alien Wars EX (GBA Virtual Console on Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • The Unlikely Legend of Rusty Pup (Wii U/3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Shutshimi: Seriously Swole (Wii U/3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Shift DX (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Space Dave (3DS/Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Blast ‘Em Bunnies (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Old Skool Arcade Classics (3DS) [TBA 2016]

  • Izle (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Forma.8 (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • A.N.N.E (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Oddworld: New ‘n’ Tasty (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Chasing Dead (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Tumblestone (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Girls Like Robots (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Zombie Vikings (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Limbo (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Armikrog (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Y2K (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Slain (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Super Doomed’n Damned (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Chronicles of Teddy: Harmony of Exidus (Wii U) [TBA 2016]

  • Outdoors Unlimited (Wii, yes, that Wii) [TBA 2016]

I personally think 2016 is going to be a strong year for Nintendo. In your own personal opinion though, do you think this will be a strong year for Nintendo?
 
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That's more to do with Shiva being Blue in SMT lore I feel, though my Hindu mythos knowledge is lower than I'd like, I admit.
Legitimately just using any excuse I can to shoehorn SMT into conversations because I'm a shameless fan.
But shiva being blue is actually a general hindu thing, not just SMT/FF pulling it outta their butts.
Shiva being FEMALE is Square being weird, though.
 

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alright, i'll concede zygarde's forms

not the xyz trio though
it relies too much on cherrypicking and completely throwing out the original mythological roles; none of the pokemon concretely based on myths i can think of do that
although incidentally, speaking of hinduism, they do fit the roles of the trimurti
 

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alright, i'll concede zygarde's forms

not the xyz trio though
it relies too much on cherrypicking and completely throwing out the original mythological roles; none of the pokemon concretely based on myths i can think of do that
although incidentally, speaking of hinduism, they do fit the roles of the trimurti
I don't see why you'd feel this way when Legendary trios almost always share a theme.

Ho-Oh, Lugia: Masters of the Cats and Birds respectively.

Regis: Golems, lead by Regigigas.

Kyorge, Groudon, Rayquaze: Ocean, Land, Sky

Dialga, Palkia, Giratina: Time, Space, Anti-Matter

Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf: Knowledge, Emotion, Willpower, answer directly to Arceus(god)

Cressilia, Darkrai: Good dreams, nightmares.

Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem: Yin, Yang, Mu

I mean, in a literal sense, you could look at the 6th gen trio like so:

Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde: Life, Death, ......?

Zygarde has shown nothing to say it's representing a being between life and death, so to complete the trio, you have to look at other ways.... and in this way, look at the origin.

Aka, they're all based on Norse mythos. It's the only way the three link together.

Goodness... You could even say that when Xerneas is in its tree form, that it itself becomes Yggdrasil.
 
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I don't see why you'd feel this way when Legendary duos/trios almost always share a theme.

Kyorge, Groudon, Rayquaze: Ocean, Land, Sky

Dialga, Palkia, Giratina: Time, Space, Anti-Matter

Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem: Yin, Yang, Mu

I mean, in a literal sense, you could look at the 6th gen trio like so:

Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde: Life, Death, ......?

Zygarde has shown nothing to say it's representing a being between life and death, so to complete the trio, you have to look at other ways.... and in this way, look at the origin.

Aka, they're all based on Norse mythos. It's the only way the three link together.

Goodness... You could even say that when Xerneas is in its tree form, that it itself becomes Yggdrasil.
Except here's the problem: The deer of Yggdrasil, the eagle and Niohoggr are not tied to the cycle of life by any means. Their association with the trio starts and stops at their animal basis, and considering that Pokémon can just as easily use animals that aren't related to the mythology (ex. the Behemoth isn't portrayed as some sort of dinosaur), that's not a strong enough case.

If anything, they have more in common with Hindu Mythology's Trimurti since they are also themed after the cycle of life (or specifically, life, destruction and order) like the Kalos trio. To add to that, Vishnu, the god of order, is associated with a snake whose hood holds the universe: Ananta Shesha.
 

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Except here's the problem: The deer of Yggdrasil, the eagle and Niohoggr are not tied to the cycle of life by any means. Their association with the trio starts and stops at their animal basis, and considering that Pokémon can just as easily use animals that aren't related to the mythology (ex. the Behemoth isn't portrayed as some sort of dinosaur), that's not a strong enough case.

If anything, they have more in common with Hindu Mythology's Trimurti since they are also themed after the cycle of life (or specifically, life, destruction and order) like the Kalos trio. To add to that, Vishnu, the god of order, is associated with a snake whose hood holds the universe: Ananta Shesha.
So then, how do you rationalize Zygarde's other two forms that just happen to resemble Fenrir and Hel? Gamefreak didn't just randomly choose a Dog and a Giant for no reason.

All the Legendaries have 'reasons' behind their existence, outside of the more man-made ones, like Mewtwo and Deoxys.
 
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I don't see why you'd feel this way when Legendary duos/trios almost always share a theme.

Kyorge, Groudon, Rayquaze: Ocean, Land, Sky

Dialga, Palkia, Giratina: Time, Space, Anti-Matter

Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem: Yin, Yang, Mu

I mean, in a literal sense, you could look at the 6th gen trio like so:

Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde: Life, Death, ......?

Zygarde has shown nothing to say it's representing a being between life and death, so to complete the trio, you have to look at other ways.... and in this way, look at the origin.

Aka, they're all based on Norse mythos. It's the only way the three link together.

Goodness... You could even say that when Xerneas is in its tree form, that it itself becomes Yggdrasil.
The "Trimūrti" (/trɪˈmʊərti/;[1]Sanskrit: त्रिमूर्तिः trimūrti, "three forms") is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer or transformer."[2][3]

saying "norse myth is the only thing they can be based on because they're a bird, a deer, and a maybe-snake" is straight confirmation bias
zygarde's dex entries talk about how it monitors the ecosystem and maintains balance
that doesn't exactly fall in line with "serpent trying to destroy the universe"

if there were to be a triad based on the yggdrasil thing, you'd have the eagle whose name i don't remember and nidhoggr as the two initial guys and ratatosk and/or yggdrasil itself as the third, because they're the middleman
for example, wuji is the absence of yin and yang, as kyurem is the husk of the unova dragon that zekky and reshy left behind
the deer have nothing to do with this
they're literally just there
So then, how do you rationalize Zygarde's other two forms that just happen to resemble Fenrir and Hel? Gamefreak didn't just randomly choose a Dog and a Giant for no reason.

All the Legendaries have 'reasons' behind their existence, outside of the more man-made ones, like Mewtwo and Deoxys.
that's moving the goalposts
arcanir was discussing the xyz trio, not zygarde's forms
 
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Where did the "it's just a coincidence" thought even come from?
Like, that's just dumb, there's no way the Legendary Pokemon are just a coincidence
Why the hell would Doggo Zygarde exist otherwise?
Here's a link to the entire Pokemon Z discussion that took place yesterday if you want to know why I brought up the question.

I mean, even I will admit, if there was no source of mythologies for a reference in designing a mascot legendary trio, from a developer's standpoint, I would have a hard time deciding what kind of creatures would the mascot legendary trio be.

At the very least, I can refer to a certain mythology and pick out the main creatures from their and change up their stories a little bit or completely just for the sake of finding which creatures I want for that legendary trio, but even then, I can't help but think that when I pick out the legendaries, I want to make them close to their source mythology in some sort of way.
 

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The "Trimūrti" (/trɪˈmʊərti/;[1]Sanskrit: त्रिमूर्तिः trimūrti, "three forms") is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver, and Shiva the destroyer or transformer."[2][3]

saying "norse myth is the only thing they can be based on because they're a bird, a deer, and a maybe-snake" is straight confirmation bias
zygarde's dex entries talk about how it monitors the ecosystem and maintains balance
that doesn't exactly fall in line with "serpent trying to destroy the universe"

if there were to be a triad based on the yggdrasil thing, you'd have the eagle whose name i don't remember and nidhoggr as the two initial guys and ratatosk and/or yggdrasil itself as the third, because they're the middleman
for example, wuji is the absence of yin and yang, as kyurem is the husk of the unova dragon that zekky and reshy left behind
the deer have nothing to do with this
they're literally just there

that's moving the goalposts
arcanir was discussing the xyz trio, not zygarde's forms
And the Dog and Giant form? How do you rationalize this, because from what I can tell, these forms lend more credence to Norse than Hindo mythos.

I'm saying that the forms are what seals the trio as being 100% Norse inspired. There's nothing to suggest it's Hindu when the Snake can turn into a Dog and Giant.
 
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When Sonic Storybook Series (both games) sell a million copies, Sonic Unleashed does as well and Sonic 4 Episode 1 too all each sell a million copies, when they are considered bad, why do people ignore that?


I'm a Sonic fan but it's an easy target because how overall bad looking the fanbase is. The one time they said enough was enough was with Sonic Boom but that was also due to being an exclusive to the struggling Wii U.

It seem that way because why does these supposedly bad games keep selling as well as they do?
Maybe it's because, shock and horror, they're not objectively bad games and people might actually like them?

Sonic Unleashed is flat out one of my favourite Sonic games (and games in general) and remains to this day as Sonic Team's most ambitious title (and the production values are objective proof of that, it was an expensive game to make). Without getting into why I personally love it, what it's significant for, is that it was, if nothing else, a really well polished game that most would find at least decent, coming off the disaster of Sonic '06. Even if you didn't like the Werehog or something, it at least did what it was trying to do fairly well, and was well designed in what it was going for most of the time. Unleashed is also a technical marvel and it's ahead of it's time graphically, being one of the first games ever to utilise GIA (Global Illumination Ambience) technology, a technology that still isn't properly standardised in console gaming - and Unleashed was rocking that like it was nothing 7 years ago. Unleashed was also really well marketed, from the "Night of the Werehog" animated short, to the TV commercials, to the opening cutscene being really popular and flat out going viral (even I felt the effects of it, so many people wanted to show me this clip because they knew I was a Sonic fan and they thought it was from an upcoming Sonic movie), to the fact it's game engine was marketable with a name (Hedgehog Engine) for how technically impressive it was. And if we count all versions in this sales number, Unleashed is also significant for being one of the last major releases on the PS2, so there were a lot of less well off people who picked that up. Of all the games to be confused about doing well, Unleashed is the last one you should think of, it's one of the most hyped Sonic games ever. And even if Colours and Generations are better received in general, neither had the sheer ambition and impressiveness of Unleashed to hype them up.

As for the storybook games, while I also like them too (especially Black Knight), those sold well because Sonic just tends to do well on Nintendo. It also helps that they were set in established mythical worlds so they had that extra element to drive hype for them.

And Sonic 4 is Sonic 4. It sold off that name alone, to casuals more than actual hardcore Sonic fans. And it's hardly terrible either. Episode 1 is meh, Episode 2 is actually pretty good. The decision to call it Sonic 4 was also a SEGA of America marketing stunt, to drive sales. SEGA of Japan only ever intended for it to be a small downloadable title. Which is exactly what it is. Keep in mind the mobile versions, which only cost about as much as a double cheeseburger from McDonald's.

Also as a general thing, you seem to be missing the fact that you don't really know if a game is good or bad until you play it. Keep in mind that Sonic '06 was very successful commercially.
 
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And the Dog and Giant form? How do you rationalize this, because from what I can tell, these forms lend more credence to Norse than Hindo mythos.
it's not one or the other?
i mean jormungandr and nidhoggr are conflated but they are very, very different entities
one pokemon's forms aligning with norse myth doesn't mean that everything relating to it is norse myth, especially when it's something as inconsequential as deer that simply exist independent of other beings
 

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it's not one or the other?
i mean jormungandr and nidhoggr are conflated but they are very, very different entities
one pokemon's forms aligning with norse myth doesn't mean that everything relating to it is norse myth, especially when it's something as inconsequential as deer that simply exist independent of other beings
No, it's definitely one or the other. Gamefreak always goes for a single theme between its Legendary trios. It makes 0 sense if 2 are from Hindu mythos and one is from Norse. Zygarde is 100% based on Norse Mythos. The forms seal the deal.

That'd be like having the Regis, based on Jewish folktales, being lead by an Aryan based Pokemon. It makes literally no sense.
 
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Most Sonic games were pretty good.

I can only think of like three major bad ones.
 

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No, it's definitely one or the other. Gamefreak always goes for a single theme between its Legendary trios. It makes 0 sense if 2 are from Hindu mythos and one is from Norse. Zygarde is 100% based on Norse Mythos. The forms seal the deal.

That'd be like having the Regis, based on Jewish folktales, being lead by an Aryan based Pokemon. It makes literally no sense.
okay i don't...
NIDHOGGR
AND JORMUNGANDR
ARE NOT
THE SAME
THING

it makes no sense for the xyz trio to be based on norse mythology. they have nothing to do with norse mythology outside of there being three things that are kinda sorta superficially similar to them. the eagle had no relation to death. the serpent actively opposed order. the deer ate leaves. the squirrel that tries to piss off the eagle and the serpent, their only connection, is nowhere to be seen.
 

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So then, how do you rationalize Zygarde's other two forms that just happen to resemble Fenrir and Hel? Gamefreak didn't just randomly choose a Dog and a Giant for no reason.
Well, they barely fit with 50% form Zygarde, so I could believe that. :p

I wasn't talking about those forms, I was just focusing on the main trio.

No, it's definitely one or the other. Gamefreak always goes for a single theme between its Legendary trios. It makes 0 sense if 2 are from Hindu mythos and one is from Norse. Zygarde is 100% based on Norse Mythos. The forms seal the deal.

That'd be like having the Regis, based on Jewish folktales, being lead by an Aryan based Pokemon.
Firstly, Zygarde has just as much of a connection to Hindu Mythology as the other two, in fact, it has more since it's a snake, which relates to Vishnu and Ananta Shesha.

Secondly, Pokémon taking from multiple inspirations is hardly unusual. Luxray takes cues from Lions, Tigers and Lynxes even though the latter serves as its primary inspiration.

Thirdly, that has happened before. Lugia is based on Ryugin, a Japanese dragon, yet he leads the Legendary Birds, one of which is based on the Phoenix of either Arabic or Slavic Mythology.

And lastly, as mentioned before, Niohoggr and Jormungandr have no connection aside from being snakes.
 
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okay i don't...
NIDHOGGR
AND JORMUNGANDR
ARE NOT
THE SAME
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it makes no sense for the xyz trio to be based on norse mythology. they have nothing to do with norse mythology outside of there being three things that are kinda sorta superficially similar to them. the eagle had no relation to death. the serpent actively opposed order. the deer ate leaves. the squirrel that tries to piss off the eagle and the serpent, their only connection, is nowhere to be seen.
Zygarde is Norse, whether you want to believe it or not. It's not Nidhoggr, and I'm not saying that it IS Niddhoggr. What I'm saying is that it IS the spawn of Loki, Jormungandr.

Like I said, there's 0 reason for the 'world snake' to randomly turn into a dog and giant, unlike Zygarde, which is very obviously based on Loki's children.

To anyone saying that "Zygarde is based on Hindu" when the forms show it more Norse than anything, you lost me somewhere. I don't get your thought process. I've been saying that Zygarde 50% is Jormungandr, not Nidhoggr. I'm not really touching on Xerneas or Yveltal, but mostly Zygarde here.

Arcanir Arcanir too
 
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I don't know what they were thinking with adding in such a long grueling and slow gameplay a good idea.
Apparently they thought it was the best part of the game, given that they assigned the same pinhead(s) who made the Unleashed night levels long to make the 3DS port of Lost World.
 

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Apparently they thought it was the best part of the game, given that they assigned the same pinhead(s) who made the Unleashed night levels long to make the 3DS port of Lost World.
Not sure if joking or not, but Dimps' only involvement in Unleashed was actually the day stages of the Wii/PS2 versions.
 

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Zygarde is Norse, whether you want to believe it or not. It's not Nidhoggr, and I'm not saying that it IS Niddhoggr. What I'm saying is that it IS the spawn of Loki.

Like I said, there's 0 reason for the 'world snake' to randomly turn into a dog and giant, unlike Zygarde, which is very obviously based on Loki's children.

To anyone saying that "Zygarde is based on Hindu" when the forms show it more Norse than anything, you lost me somewhere. I don't get your thought process. I've been saying that Zygarde 50% is Jormungandr, not Nidhoggr.
okay there's clearly a disconnect here
the children of loki are jormungandr, hel, and fenrir, yes
the alleged basis of the xyz trio is the eagle, the deer, and nidhoggr, at the top, middle, and bottom of yggdrasil
jormungandr resides only in midgard, a tiny part of yggdrasil
it doesn't fit into this analogy

people (well, arcanir and me) have been saying that the trio as a whole embodies the overriding trinity of hinduism
not zygarde's forms
i'd say that ideological similarities, especially with a religion that's actually practiced, override superficial ones like "hey that's a bird"
 

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I'm joking.

But have you seen how long the later levels in Lost World 3DS can go on for?
Gotcha, just checking since it's legitimately a common mistake.

And yeah I have, I don't like Lost World 3DS and never finished it.

The Werehog is nowhere near comparable though, as his stages are not that long. There is a Werehog stage I did a speedrun of in under a minute.
 

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I thought it was pretty obvious why he had the blue and red.

It's the colors of x and yy and their legendaries
 

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Zygarde is Norse, whether you want to believe it or not.
Or it's based on other mythologies, multiple mythologies, or even none of them. Shutting down alternate theories doesn't make yours the only correct one.

What I'm saying is that it IS the spawn of Loki.
I never tried to get into this point, but I will say that nothing 100% confirms the case, it's still a theory at this point. I can see where the idea comes from, but at the same time I could argue that it has a connection to Hindu Mythology as well since dogs guard the gates of Heaven and Hell (and served as Shiva's Vahana (vehicle)) and its human shape is reminiscent of the three gods' traditional forms.

To anyone saying that "Zygarde is based on Hindu" when the forms show it more Norse than anything, you lost me somewhere. I don't get your thought process. I've been saying that Zygarde 50% is Jormungandr, not Nidhoggr. I'm not really touching on Xerneas or Yveltal, but mostly Zygarde here.
We're giving alternate theories and possibilities for their origin, as I said before, Pokémon can take from multiple sources and that has been shown in many different examples across the franchise. Saying that Zygarde has to be only one is ignoring the possibility that, like others in the series, it took from multiple sources.
 
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okay there's clearly a disconnect here
the children of loki are jormungandr, hel, and fenrir, yes
the alleged basis of the xyz trio is the eagle, the deer, and nidhoggr, at the top, middle, and bottom of yggdrasil
jormungandr resides only in midgard, a tiny part of yggdrasil
it doesn't fit into this analogy

people (well, arcanir and me) have been saying that the trio as a whole embodies the overriding trinity of hinduism
not zygarde's forms
i'd say that ideological similarities, especially with a religion that's actually practiced, override superficial ones like "hey that's a bird"
And I'm saying that Zygarde in all its forms is based on the spawns on Loki, that's what I've been saying.

The Hel parallel between 100% is just too uncanny to call a coincidence.
 

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Please.
They are far from the worst part of LW3DS though.

Special Stages.

WHO THOUGHT
THE BEST IDEA WAS
"FULL 3D GYROSCOPE SPEED"
The only reason those were a bad idea was because you would look like a fool trying to play.

They were actually super easy though. Probably the easiest Special Stages in the series.
 

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And I'm saying that Zygarde in all its forms is based on the spawns on Loki, that's what I've been saying.

The Hel parallel between 100% is just too uncanny to call a coincidence.
ok
so... life, death, and loki
that's not a trio
 

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Or it's based on other mythologies, multiple mythologies, or even none of them. Shutting down alternate theories doesn't make yours the only correct one.



Nothing says that's 100% the case, it's still a theory at this point. I can see where the idea comes from, but at the same time I could argue that it has a connection to Hindu Mythology as well since dogs guard the gates of Heaven and Hell (and served as Shiva's Vahana (vehicle)) and its human shape is reminiscent of the three gods' traditional forms.



We're giving alternate theories and possibilities for their origin, as I said before, Pokémon can take from multiple sources and that has been shown in many different examples across the franchise. Saying that Zygarde has to be only one is ignoring the possibility that, like others in the series, it took from multiple sources.
The Blue and Red on Zygarde 100% feels like too much of a reference to Hel. That wasn't a random design choice. If anything, Pokemon is very good at color-co-ordinating its creatures to get across the ideas they have for their creatures, so a random blotch of red and blue are very much not just there for show.

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It's possible that Xerneas and Yveltal are a duo, ala Ho-Oh and Lugia, with Zygarde representing the Trio aspect in of itself.
 
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Honestly, this discussion is starting to feel like when people mistook Giratina as the devil due to Arceus banishing it to its own world, when in reality, the reason for it was due to it being Anti-Matter.
 
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Mind your surroundings. Unless you like the idea of enemies 30+ levels above you obliterating you.

Also try to do a steady stream of sidequests between story missions
 
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I beat Uncharted 2: Among Theives today.

I beat two Uncharted games real quick. Both were real fun.

I have to leave my PS4 behind for now though.

So back to Wii U / Xbox 360 games for now.

But I'm gonna be mischievous here.

Guess it.

Here's a hint.

It's a Namco game.

I've had it for a while.

I got it used.

You may ask yes or no questions.
 

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The Blue and Red on Zygarde 100% feels like too much of a reference to Hel. That wasn't a random design choice. If anything, Pokemon is very good at color-co-ordinating its creatures to get across the ideas they have for their creatures, so a random blotch of red and blue are very much not just there for show.
You may very well be right, but that can also be explained by the fact that it refers to the other members of its trio. Red references Yveltal, Blue references Xerneas, there doesn't have to be another reason then that. Keldeo for instance has those feathers on its head that references Cobalion, Terrakion and Virizion in its Resolute form, and it doesn't have another underlying theme for those color's presence.
 
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