Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Deleted member]

...Because there are different elements that make up RPGs. Zelda has some of them, Fire Emblem has others. At this point I feel like you're purposely trying to be condescending and I've wasted enough of my time here debating what is pretty ****ing simple logic. So I'm done with this debate.

You didn't even mention a single RPG element that Zelda has...

 

[Spazzy_D]

...Because there are different elements that make up RPGs. Zelda has some of them, Fire Emblem has others. At this point I feel like you're purposely trying to be condescending and I've wasted enough of my time here debating what is pretty ****ing simple logic. So I'm done with this debate.

You NEVER answered my question. If you did that, there would be no debate. How many elements does it take to be an RPG, and WHAT ARE THOSE ELEMENTS. Fire Emblem and Zelda share almost nothing in common, only some setting similiarities (and setting has nothing to do with if something is an RPG) and design similarities. But they're in the same exact genre? How does that make ANY sense?

 

[Z25]

Wow, If I wasn't looking up something, I wouldn't have realized that my copy of Super Mystery Dungeon came with a code for the game's theme! Which is awesome because I really wanted it!

Goes to redeem the code:

Damn It! The Eshop is down!

 

[A Distant Demon]

...but all of the dlc (aside from some colors) was free for a few months after their respective releases.

Like I said. . .i'm a loser

Plus I got really disinterested in the game and removed it from steam. Couldn't download if I wasn't paying attention. Now I regret that decision.

I think I have Eliza at least >_>

 

[Fenriraga]

Wow, If I wasn't looking up something, I wouldn't have realized that my copy of Super Mystery Dungeon came with a code for the game's theme! Which is awesome because I really wanted it!

Goes to redeem the code:

Damn It! The Eshop is down!

I know right?! They hid the damn code under the special demo for Ruby and Sapphire.

Like seriously, why, the game is old news.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Speaking of game themes. I'm sad there wasn't a Yo-kai watch theme when I checked the theme shop.

 

[Chandeelure]

Damn It! The Eshop is down!

RIDLEY IS COMING!!!

 

[Z25]

I know right?! They hid the damn code under the special demo for Ruby and Sapphire.

Like seriously, why, the game is old news.

Which is exactly why I gave it no thought, until I saw it pointed out on Reddit. Good thing though!

 

[PushDustIn]

Rpg- a role playing game. A game in which the player takes on a role for the purpose of the game.

The game has to require the player to "act" like that character in their given role.

Personally I would call Zelda an action-rpg...with the emphasis on action. While you do take on the role for the Hero if Time, it's not as RPG as Fire Emblem, or Earthbound.

Fire Emblem - Tactical Rpg
Earthbound - Adventure rpg

Mixing genres is fun.

 

[Z25]

RIDLEY IS COMING!!!

* Ridley gets stabbed by Bandanna Dee.

 

[Morbi]

You NEVER answered my question. If you did that, there would be no debate. How many elements does it take to be an RPG, and WHAT ARE THOSE ELEMENTS. Fire Emblem and Zelda share almost nothing in common, only some setting similiarities (and setting has nothing to do with if something is an RPG) and design similarities. But they're in the same exact genre? How does that make ANY sense?

Most genres are fairly subjective, they are more or less categories that people attribute certain media to. In the case of the RPG, I feel as though a game is an RPG is there is an emphasis on role-playing as I value the title of the genre above all else. However, someone else might interpret an RPG to only entail certain elements of prominent games that are universally considered to be RPGs. There is no definitive answer, just generalizations comprised of one's opinion on the matter.

 

[Khoru]

Rpg- a role playing game. A game in which the player takes on a role for the purpose of the game.

The game has to require the player to "act" like that character in their given role.

Personally I would call Zelda an action-rpg...with the emphasis on action. While you do take on the role for the Hero if Time, it's not as RPG as Fire Emblem, or Earthbound.

Fire Emblem - Tactical Rpg
Earthbound - Adventure rpg

Mixing genres is fun.

action rpgs are also kinda different though
also hey Morbi , haven't seen you around in a long while

 

[jahkzheng]

$1,087,210
17,025 donators
when I checked. Just saving that number.

I kind of want to redownload Skullgirls now. .but i'm terrible and have no controller. and im missing most of the DLC :/
Such are the woes of a loser.

How long has this game been open to donations?

I'll be honest, I had barely heard of it and thought a while back that it might be a TV show I didn't know about. Only recently did I realize it was a game and only just today did I realize it had something of a kickstarter going for it. You can thank Shantae for having me explore what it is more. After reading the concept I have to say it sounds really great. It's a shame I didn't know all this sooner. I wonder how many other people are in the same boat I was in just a few days ago regarding this game.

 

[Z25]

How long has this game been open to donations?

I'll be honest, I had barely heard of it and thought a while back that it might be a TV show I didn't know about. Only recently did I realize it was a game and only just today did I realize it had something of a kickstarter going for it. You can thank Shantae for having me explore what it is more. After reading the concept I have to say it sounds really great. It's a shame I didn't know all this sooner. I wonder how many other people are in the same boat I was in just a few days ago regarding this game.

Awhile, they even extended donation time.

 

[Fenriraga]

I'm not giving up on Indivisible until the last hours of the final day. That's when the most donations flood in for just about every backing project like this.

I want to fund it if only so these guys won't go out of buisness, I honestly have a few issues with the game as it is right now to boot. But Sony really ****ed them over with the Skullgirls debacle, and if that's how they end up going out, I am literally never buying a Sony game again.

It's petty, and it won't mean much, but it's what I'll do anyways.

 

[Frostwraith]

It's not the issue of the designs because majority of franchises have so much anime influence but it's because it doesn't represent a western franchise. People want that western feel.

Look at Donkey Kong, it's best games were made in England and Texas. Metroid's jump to 3D was done in that same studio in Texas, Punch Out got resurgence in 2009 by a Canadian studio and F-Zero, Star Fox and Zelda sells more here than anywhere else.

I agree that DK and Metroid could have had more content, but the quantity of content across the two versions of the game is roughly the same as previous Smash games.

There is more emphasis on DKC Returns and Other M this time around, as is usual for Smash games to focus on the content added to the franchises between each release. Being console releases, the bulk of their content is on the Wii U version.

Brawl did focus most of its Metroid representation on the Prime series. The Prime series isn't forgotten with the addition of the Dark Samus Assist Trophy and it seems she's quite faithful to her original self in the Metroid Prime trilogy.

Meanwhile, DKCR serves as the main inspiration for one of the most unique stages in Smash Bros. history, Jungle Hijinxs, with its dual layer mechanic and going back and forth using the Barrel Cannons.

F-Zero is dead and this game barely added any content beyond what was already in Brawl, which is honestly reasonable. At the time the game started development, Star Fox was dormant as well and, aside the removal of Wolf, the amount of Star Fox series content is roughly the same as Brawl plus a new stage and a few new music remixes.

Zelda, being one of the biggest Nintendo franchises, offers plenty of content in Smash and always has done so. As a fan of the series, I am very satisfied with its current representation. With 7 stages across versions coming from different games and showcasing the variety of the series' locations and the new items added, it added a lot of iconic elements that were missing in Smash... You can't really say that Sakurai ignored the Zelda series this time around. Sure, there was no newcomer, but they did add a lot of Zelda content that, for me, compensates the lack of newcomer.

Of course, there's the whole Ganondorf moveset issue/debate/problem/whatever, but I'd rather not talk about that again.

Little Mac had people go "who?" in Japan much to us Westerners' amusement. Given it's a franchise newly added to Smash and there aren't many Punch-Out games, there isn't a lot to draw from, but there's still some music, as well as trophies showing off plenty of the boxers from the series. The arcade game gets a nod with the Wireframe Mac alt. Most of the content is actually based on the Wii game, as both Little Mac's design and the trophies, as well as Little Mac's Final Smash, come from there.

The Little Mac trailer itself also had a very Western styled presentation to it.

Obviously, with the development team and Sakurai himself being Japanese, it's inevitable that they will be more familiar with the series with more Japanese influence or that had more impact in their home country. There might be a kind of bias in this regard, even if unintentional or unconscious, but I think the claim of "Sakurai clearly hating the Western-influenced series" is quite a ridiculous notion.

I remember talking with PushDustIn about Sakurai's Famitsu columns and he does play plenty of Western games, commenting on them in the column (whenever not talking about Smash Bros. or any of his own projects).

(And well, I think I've rambled enough...)

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

BluePikmin11

I need help. But no spoilers please. I just need a how to find this.

Spoiler: Yo-kai watch spoilers

So looking at my Medallium, there is a page for bosses. Now, for some reason there is a spot left between Duwheel and Eyedra. Do you know where I can find this other boss I'm missing? It is No. 234. And I don't think it is the onis because I already encountered the blue one and there is still a spot left for the black one.

So yeah, just tell me where to find it please but don't give me the name of what it is.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

Honestly I think the developers of Indivisible should do a countdown stream similar to what the developers of Bloodstained did to help it gain more money on the final day.

 

[NintenZ]

I can't wait any longer, WHY CAN'T WEDNESDAY COME ANY SOONER!?

 

[Morbi]

I'm not giving up on Indivisible until the last hours of the final day. That's when the most donations flood in for just about every backing project like this.

I want to fund it if only so these guys won't go out of buisness, I honestly have a few issues with the game as it is right now to boot. But Sony really ****ed them over with the Skullgirls debacle, and if that's how they end up going out, I am literally never buying a Sony game again.

It's petty, and it won't mean much, but it's what I'll do anyways.

I still admire your reserve. If more people that felt the same actively demonstrated that they felt that way, obviously change would come much more easily. I need to do a little bit of research on what Sony did in regard to the Skullgirls debacle to form an opinion for myself, but it sounds bad.

 

[jahkzheng]

Awhile, they even extended donation time.

Yeah, my only exposure was seeing Oni's sig and wondering what that was but not being curious enough to explore further until last week, but only as far as to realize it was an upcoming game. It's good this Shantae reveal has gotten me to dig deeper and discover that the game concept sounds really great. I don't have experience with this company though, so it's not like I was looking for this game before it was announced. Even so, makes me wonder just how exposed it's been if I only realized what it is this late. A bit presumptuous perhaps, to think if I hadn't heard of it it's probably not well exposed, but I do wonder.

Been keeping close tabs on Half Genie Hero though, since I contributed to that significantly well over a year ago now. I've been familiar with her franchise for a while though and pay attention to Way Forward. I think Shantae being an established franchise with an established fanbase helped their goals.

Also, admittedly, this Indivisible game sounds great but I'm not sure I'd play it if it's only really available to me on PC. My computer is old and just hates running any game, so it's mostly just a work machine at this point. I have a hard time enjoying any game on it. It's a shame if it's really not planned for Nintendo Eshop in some way. I bet that would help them with donations too, but perhaps the cost of development on another platform would negate whatever extra customers they might get. Not sure.

 

[Z25]

Yeah, my only exposure was seeing Oni's sig and wondering what that was but not being curious enough to explore further until last week, but only as far as to realize it was an upcoming game. It's good this Shantae reveal has gotten me to dig deeper and discover that the game concept sounds really great. I don't have experience with this company though, so it's not like I was looking for this game before it was announced. Even so, makes me wonder just how exposed it's been if I only realized what it is this late. A bit presumptuous perhaps, to think if I hadn't heard of it it's probably not well exposed, but I do wonder.

Been keeping close tabs on Half Genie Hero though, since I contributed to that significantly well over a year ago now. I've been familiar with her franchise for a while though and pay attention to Way Forward. I think Shantae being an established franchise with an established fanbase helped their goals.

Also, admittedly, this Indivisible game sounds great but I'm not sure I'd play it if it's only really available to me on PC. My computer is old and just hates running any game, so it's mostly just a work machine at this point. I have a hard time enjoying any game on it. It's a shame if it's really not planned for Nintendo Eshop in some way. I bet that would help them with donations too, but perhaps the cost of development on another platform would negate whatever extra customers they might get. Not sure.

Yeah, it wasn't reaching it's goal and had support, but not enough. I do believe shantae and Shovel Knight well help get the word out a bit though. It's definitely got potential, so I hope it does well with all the support it has.

 

[BluePikmin11]

BluePikmin11

I need help. But no spoilers please. I just need a how to find this.

Spoiler: Yo-kai watch spoilers

So looking at my Medallium, there is a page for bosses. Now, for some reason there is a spot left between Duwheel and Eyedra. Do you know where I can find this other boss I'm missing? It is No. 234. And I don't think it is the onis because I already encountered the blue one and there is still a spot left for the black one.

So yeah, just tell me where to find it please but don't give me the name of what it is.

I'm unsure, don't think I'm that far yet.
But have you been to the Infinite Inferno?

 

[Solfiner]

What happened regarding Sony and Skull Girls? Tried looking it up but couldn't find anything noteworthy.

 

[Morbi]

Yeah, my only exposure was seeing Oni's sig and wondering what that was but not being curious enough to explore further until last week, but only as far as to realize it was an upcoming game. It's good this Shantae reveal has gotten me to dig deeper and discover that the game concept sounds really great. I don't have experience with this company though, so it's not like I was looking for this game before it was announced. Even so, makes me wonder just how exposed it's been if I only realized what it is this late. A bit presumptuous perhaps, to think if I hadn't heard of it it's probably not well exposed, but I do wonder.

Been keeping close tabs on Half Genie Hero though, since I contributed to that significantly well over a year ago now. I've been familiar with her franchise for a while though and pay attention to Way Forward. I think Shantae being an established franchise with an established fanbase helped their goals.

Also, admittedly, this Indivisible game sounds great but I'm not sure I'd play it if it's only really available to me on PC. My computer is old and just hates running any game, so it's mostly just a work machine at this point. I have a hard time enjoying any game on it. It's a shame if it's really not planned for Nintendo Eshop in some way. I bet that would help them with donations too, but perhaps the cost of development on another platform would negate whatever extra customers they might get. Not sure.

Not sure about that, they have a preexisting audience on non-Nintendo platforms and the install base there is far superior. No doubt that would help them garner a somewhat more significant amount of donations; however, I believe the cost to produce would also increase as well. Given that the Nintendo exclusive fan-base, presumably such as yourself (no offense intended at all), is less aware of this title... I doubt that the gain would be observable. That being said, I do agree that they could have done more for exposure.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

I'm unsure, don't think I'm that far yet.
But have you been to the Infinite Inferno?

I beat the super boss there already so yeah I've been there.


Also from what I know about the Skull girls controversy. It wasn't sony, it was Konami. Konami had all the games pulled I believe.

 

[A Distant Demon]

How long has this game been open to donations?

I'll be honest, I had barely heard of it and thought a while back that it might be a TV show I didn't know about. Only recently did I realize it was a game and only just today did I realize it had something of a kickstarter going for it. You can thank Shantae for having me explore what it is more. After reading the concept I have to say it sounds really great. It's a shame I didn't know all this sooner. I wonder how many other people are in the same boat I was in just a few days ago regarding this game.

This is why I have been absolutely shoving my advertisement into every facet of this website. The more publicity the better

It's been over a month since the start of the campaign. They got an extension recently just barely but donations fell significantly.

I've been pestering people as much as I can (last avi, sig, Ajna thread in my group, a whole lot here) to get the word out. It's worked a few times so far





Since I am bringing up getting the word out and it's actually on topic this time. . . if any of you have a tumblr/twitter/faecbook and want to help for free click this
https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/34635-indivisible-rpg-funding-drive

You can join one large attempt at advertiements with a few clicks. Thanks

 

[jahkzheng]

Not sure about that, they have a preexisting audience on non-Nintendo platforms and the install base there is far superior. No doubt that would help them garner a somewhat more significant amount of donations; however, I believe the cost to produce would also increase as well. Given that the Nintendo exclusive fan-base, presumably such as yourself (no offense intended at all), is less aware of this title... I doubt that the gain would be observable. That being said, I do agree that they could have done more for exposure.

Yeah, that's what I figured. Just mentioning it would help galvanize my support. And not because I'm a Nintendo exclusive fan, though I do prefer Nintendo properties over most other things... but just because that's what I have that's current gen. I have a Wii U but my Xbox is a 360 and my Playstation is still a 2, heh.

 

[Khoru]

i think it was actually konami wrt skullgirls
they originally published it and ended up dropping it over something stupid and left what's now lab zero to kinda... flounder

 

[aldelaro5]

Why do every paper jam lp has to have the most freaking annoying voice!!!!!

I dare you to go to 5:07.......

Anyway, this is why it;s ahrd to look for oaoer jam stuff in lp

 

[jahkzheng]

This is why I have been absolutely shoving my advertisement into every facet of this website. The more publicity the better

It's been over a month since the start of the campaign. They got an extension recently just barely but donations fell significantly.

I've been pestering people as much as I can (last avi, sig, Ajna thread in my group, a whole lot here) to get the word out. It's worked a few times so far





Since I am bringing up getting the word out and it's actually on topi cthis time. . . if any of you have a tumblr/twitter/faecbook and want to help for free click this
https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/34635-indivisible-rpg-funding-drive

You can join one large attempt at advertiements with a few clicks. Thanks

I did give you credit in a later post, heh. I wouldn't even know this game exists if your sig didn't make me curious. Have to admit that I didn't actually look deeper until this Shantae reveal though. I'm a big supporter of Shantae and donated to her upcoming game back when that kickstarter was up. Didn't realize Indivisible was behind on support but I do now. My wallet is getting tugged in different directions though, so I see 30 being probably the max I'd go on this game.

 

[Champ Gold]

I like Pixlr as an online photo editor but it kinda sucks you can't shrink layers

Why do every LP has to have the most freaking annoying voice!!!!!

I dare you to go to 5:07.......

Anyway, this is why it;s ahrd to look for oaoer jam stuff in lp

Fixed it for you.

Trust me, you wanna find gameplay footage, you have search through a bunch of annoying voices. I rather look a gameplay with no voices

 

[aldelaro5]

I like Pixlr as an online photo editor but it kinda sucks you can't shrink layers


Fixed it for you.

Trust me, you wanna find gameplay footage, you have search through a bunch of annoying voices. I rather look a gameplay with no voices

thign is, that;s the only new video for now and all I do is report the new stuff.

Which I will soon, but it;s nto much.

 

[jahkzheng]

Why do every paper jam lp has to have the most freaking annoying voice!!!!!

I dare you to go to 5:07.......

Anyway, this is why it;s ahrd to look for oaoer jam stuff in lp

Annoying voices are what keeps Content ID from bothering LPers~

 

[Z25]

Why do every paper jam lp has to have the most freaking annoying voice!!!!!

I dare you to go to 5:07.......

Anyway, this is why it;s ahrd to look for oaoer jam stuff in lp

I like Pixlr as an online photo editor but it kinda sucks you can't shrink layers


Fixed it for you.

Trust me, you wanna find gameplay footage, you have search through a bunch of annoying voices. I rather look a gameplay with no voices

I'll be honest, his voice at 5:07 is much better then his actual voice imo.

 

[NintenZ]

BluePikmin11 I found this...

YKW in PM.

 

[aldelaro5]

Annoying voices are what keeps Content ID from bothering LPers~

..........I guess you can view it like this too

I'll be honest, his voice at 5:07 is much better then his actual voice imo.

BURNED!!!!

Anyway, the onyl thing I coudl find new in the video is that the expert challenge has an upgraded UI: there;s 3 categoried, attack, dodge and special. Each category has a percentage of completion......

That;s it, the guy said he has to wait the yes of nintendo to continue to uplaod so we seemingly are done as far as lp are concerned, there;s no videos on the way.

But I guess leaks exists.........

Yes, that';s how passionate i am abotu paper mario, i freraking watched 20 minutes of trying to enjoy the superstar saga remix and all of a sudden ARGGGGGGG

seriously, don;t watch the vid in its entirety, you will thank me later (if you do so....that means you won;t thank me? )

 

[Champ Gold]

BluePikmin11 What is this?

Is this real?

What do you think?

 

[BluePikmin11]

BluePikmin11 What is this?

Is this real?

I can't see the image.

 

[NintenZ]

I can't see the image.

It's Yo-Kai Watch in Pokemon. It looked so real that I didn't know what to think, but looking at it is probably fake.