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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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so for thoes wondering the reason why cloud looks like he does in kingdom hearts.....well he wasnt supposed to be in KH!
vincent was realizing he was a tad too much for what is essentialy a kids game they fused his look with clouds
 
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Yuri>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Traps.
After all Yuri is the purest form of love



I'm actually getting the special edition, so it doesn't matter. Plus I just wanted to poke fun at the try hard :p
The only problem with your logic is that you can't be part of an Yuri relationship :p
Electric Boogaloo.

https://www.change.org/p/change-org...to-remove-petition-to-remove-cloud-from-smash



It'd suck to have a JP only Cloud. In Mewtwo's case I understand but not Cloud. :/
There is no end to this madness
Petition to remove the petition to remove the petition to remove the petition to remove Cloud from Smash
I prefer this one because it's ****ing hilarious
EDIT: Am I allowed to post this? Because I only just noticed what's in Cloud's mouth
It's not hilarious
It's ****ing cute
And what exactly is in his mouth?
Now that the direct is over, you guys have 24 hours to submit questions for the upcoming SourceCast. The Source Gaming team and Ash Paulsen will try to answer as many questions as we can. Either PMing more, to quoting this message will ensure that we get the question.
On a scale of 1-to-10, how hard are you maining Cloud?
And if a new company(one who has never had a character in Smash) would get a newcomer in Smash, which company you think it would be and what character?
 

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I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised if Sakurai took a larger focus on third party newcomers for DLC. Next to clones their another touchy subject that sort of divided the fanbase a little so with DLC, players have a bit more of an option to decide if they want them in or not. (granted that won't stop you from coming accross them during online play though.)

That said, I do hope we will still see some Nintendo newcomers joining in though.....
 

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Let's uuuh. not turn this into religious hate mkay? no reason to let hate breed more hate.
This. Tons of Muslims are condemning ISIS.

I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised if Sakurai took a larger focus on third party newcomers for DLC. Next to clones their another touchy subject that sort of divided the fanbase a little so with DLC, players have a bit more of an option to decide if they want them in or not. (granted that won't stop you from coming accross them during online play though.)

That said, I do hope we will still see some Nintendo newcomers joining in though.....
Consideirng this is a Nintendo-oriented crossover, I hope we don't get a larger focus on third-party newcomers
 

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"Ike Clone"

Cloud has a projectile.

These guys are more edgey than Cloud. :4cloud:
Man if people were this angry over a video game icon like Cloud, I'd hate to see what would happen should an indie character make it into Smash as DLC (not that that isn't more unrealistic than ever before at this point)
 

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Here's a game inspired by real life events. :p

Lately lots of folks here have been on an iconic video game character love-fest since Cloud's reveal, myself included. So imagine: some billionaire benefactors commission a team to build an all-star fighting game. Using their riches, licensing fees are a non-issue, and they hire some of the best in the business to work on the game for all major systems. All that's left is the roster. That's where you come in.

Rules for the game:

You are to create an all-star fighter roster full of iconic video game characters, but to keep it a challenge as opposed to a pure wishlist, there are some ground rules.

- The starting roster is only sixteen characters. DLC can come later if sales warrant it, but assume you're only getting those sixteen. Make 'em count.
- No company, due to the sixteen character limit, can get more than two characters. This is to maintain roster diversity.
- No single series can have more than one character, so adding both Mario and Luigi, or Sonic and Tails, won't be able to occur.
- While not a mandate, and more so a guideline, do try to make your roster a diverse as possible as far as gameplay, as well.
- Because it'll be on all major consoles, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft must have a presence.

Under these regulations, who do you pick? Tried to make it as challenging as possible to encourage some thinking. :p
1. Mario
2. Link
3. Mega Man
4. Ryu
5. Master Chief
6. Banjo-Kazooie
7. Nathan Drake
8. Ratchet and Clank
9. Cloud Strife
10. Lara Croft
11. Pac-Man
12. Sonic the Hedgehog
13. Solid Snake
14. Rayman
15. Ryu Hayabusa
16. Spyro the Dragon

Not too hard...although logic wants me to pick Kratos over Nate, but...no.

Why is his sword wrapped in...bandages? Tape? Is it falling apart? This isn't the worst design in KH but it's pretty silly.
Because it's so edgy it was too dangerous to leave unwrapped.
 
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I got the dreaded bottom of the page, just just quoting this from a few pages ago because I wanna see where other's heads are on this particular subject:

So, when Mewtwo released we found five unused character data slots.

Fast-forward to last month's update and we got a third, meaning that the first two were definitely in use for characters that were planned pre-ballot (as we didn't find out about the ballot until Mewtwo's release, at which time those character swerve already being worked on as evidenced by the placeholder data).

We now know that Cloud was one of those characters, likely having been worked on in some capacity since before Mewtwo released.

For this reason, and especially considering that Ryu and Cloud are huge iconic 3rd-parties, and that we have placeholder data for two more stages as of last month, I strongly believe that the other character being developed in tandem with the other DLC characters from the beginning is also a hugely iconic 3rd-party that isn't Snake.

Who would qualify to be so iconic?

Lara Croft
Crash Bandicoot
Simon Belmont

Why these three? Lara Croft was revolutionary for the time, being one of the most influential and successful female protagonists in the history of video games. Plus with the reboot she's still relevant today and has a much more varied Arsenal should she make it to Smash (if there was one character that Sakurai were to include and make an exception on RL weapons for, it'd have to be Lara considering the dual pistols would not only be unique gameplay-wise but are iconic to her character). Plus, with Squeenix owning her rights and Nintenso already working with them for Cloud, she's a super-huge gaming icon that wouldn't be that difficult to squire the rights to.

Crash Bandicoot was just as much a part of the Gaming Mascots Rivalry as Mario and Sonic, even for some time surpassing both in popularity. Crash is one of the most iconic characters of the early PS age that unfortunately has faded in relevancy in recent times. If he were to appear in Smash, it would completely the Platforming Mascot Triumvirate and reintroduce newer ganers to this staple of the early Console Wars.

Simon Belmont is one of the most beloved classic characters of all time, I'd say, and Castlevania simultaneously, along with Metroid, creates and defines an entire genre of gaming. There's a reason it's called Metroidvania, and Simon was the first and is definitely the favorite of all the olayable cast throughout the series. His signature whip would definitely bring something new to the table, and to be able to have an epic battle between Samus and Simon, the two characters to inspire a lot of games well into modern times, would bring a lot attention.

If the second pre-ballot placeholder character is an iconic 3rd-party, I can guarantee you it's one of these three. Consider how for as huge and unexpected Cloud was, he was the tease for a special Smash Direct. The tease! We're getting something as equally huge and unexpected, or moreso come December, and while we're all putting some stock into these characters now because of Cloud, tell me that they wouldn't be just as hype, unexpected, and massively iconic?

The third placeholder slot we have was found after last month's update, so whoever this character is has been worked on for at least a month and a half at this point, if not started right after the previous update a month before. That gives us about three-or-so months from start to reveal in next month's Direct. That leads me to believe that it's either Snake or Wolf who can have assets ported from Brawl and be made fast like Lucas (Wolf being more likely due to no legal hoops to hurdle and having Fox and Falco as a base to work from like Lucas had Ness and Roy had Marth and Lucina), or someone like Dixie who's popular and can be semi-cloned in a reasonably short amount of time.

There's also the possibility that it's a ballot character like King K. Rool or Inklings who will be revealed but not released, but I doubt that.

What I do believe, however, is that one rumor about the ballot characters: Wolf (already could fit the third a lot we found), K. Rool and Bomberman. We get Cloud, Lara/Crash/Simon, and Wolf released, and then King K. Rool is revealed as a ballot character, to be released later. Bomberman may or
may not be revealed at this point, and since we're at five characters and both Wii U and 3DS can fit six more characters, I'll throw Inklings into the mix as a hugely successful and popular request since they were revealed and even moreso now with the success and popularity of Splatoon.
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This is my theory, and I'm not even worried about being disappointed in the end result because I over-speculated because I'm okay with whatever we get as long as we get something. Cloud proves we can't predict Sakurai but he gives us the hypest things we never knew we truly wanted.

We round out the DLC at 10/58, being a little less than 10% of the roster, while we get 7/58 3rd-party iconic gaming legends, and end with four of the most popular veterans wanted to return and two of the most requested and popular newcomers.
EDIT: Oh, so this time I get top of the page haha. The pressure. :p
 
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One thought, if Cloud isn't a Ballot character maybe that's why there was 3 slots added. One for him and two for the ballots.
 

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I really hope there is a Famitsu Column on Cloud next week, so we can get that translated for you guys, Hopefully it'll answer a lot of questions for us.
 

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One thought, if Cloud isn't a Ballot character maybe that's why there was 3 slots added. One for him and two for the ballots.
There have been two placeholder character slots in the files since Mewtwo released, alongside the data slots that were later used for "Luroyu", so there is at least one more character that has been worked on pre-ballot with Cloud in some capacity since near the beginning of the DLC's lifespan. The third slot I could see, considering it popped up last month shortly before the ballot ended, but if the character is set to be revealed and released, it's more than likely Wolf or Dixie being that they can be made comparatively faster than most characters through semi-cloning.
 
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I predict these as the last characters (Or not):
Cloud Strife
King K. Rool
Bandana Waddle Dee
Shantae

I know alot of you won't agree with the last one, but I'm thinking she may happen, but that's just me.
 

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I really hope there is a Famitsu Column on Cloud next week, so we can get that translated for you guys, Hopefully it'll answer a lot of questions for us.
There might not be, considering the tweet where Sakurai said he'd explain more details in the December presentation.

Hopefully there is, though.
 

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Cloud was never implied to be anything besides a "difficult request". We don't even know if he's ballot or not. Cloud is a famous icon from a big, long-running series and has popularity in the west as well. A random year-old indie character like Shovel Knight being his western counterpart makes no sense whatsoever.

And PushDustIn doesn't really know more than we do when it comes to stuff like this. He's just speculating like everyone else.
Sigh...THIS is why I didn't want to explain why I believed the rumour still...
- Cloud is highly requested in Japan
- "difficult request, i'll elaborate on why he's in during the December broadcast" an event that is generally assumed to tie into the ballot characters
- "from here on, it's all fanservice"

Yeah, I still think Cloud is a ballot character.

If you look at it that way, sure, but if you looked at the from the perspective that they are requested mostly by one demographic each, then yeah they are comparable.
Yes it's a year-old indie character, but it's also one that has a direct link with Nintendo right now. Cloud is more iconic but doesn't have that link.

And no, Push quite obviously knows something we don't, he has told us that. He had private conversations with Tamashi who reported on the rumour and said it checks out.
He also has spent years studying Smash Bros. and Sakurai's selection process, so I definitely have reason to believe that he has an idea on what we'd get for this DLC.

PushDustIn PushDustIn feel free to correct anything I'm saying, because everything I am saying is depending on things I learned from your work.
 

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Getting Shovel Knight after we have gotten third-party characters like Cloud and Ryu as DLC is something I don't believe in for a moment. Cloud and Ryu are insanely profitable for Nintendo, more so than any highly requested Nintendo characters, even taking into account the fact that the profits would have to be split due to their third-party status.
 
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Cloud Strife / Shovel Knight (April Slots)
Inklings (September Slot)

Is my prediction for the last three (all ballot) characters as of right now.

There might not be, considering the tweet where Sakurai said he'd explain more details in the December presentation.

Hopefully there is, though.
The tweet (Original Translation by @Masked Man (仮面の男) , Soma and myself) in case other people are wondering:
I think I fulfilled a fairly difficult request, what do you think [about it]? For more details, I'll explain in the special Smash presentation in December.

For what it's worth, the three of us who worked on the translation believe that Sakurai means he's talking about ballot choice. In addition to the points that Kenith Kenith made above.

I think Cloud will be released in December, along with the other two; a la "New Content Approaching" E3 (Lucas, Roy and Ryu).

As for the Famitsu Column, we'll see! I hope Cloud gets his own column...I want all those juicy details :).
 
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Getting Shovel Knight after we have gotten third-party characters like Cloud and Ryu as DLC is something I don't believe in for a moment. The former two are insanely profitable for Nintendo, more so than any highly requested Nintendo characters, even taking into account the fact that the profits would have to be split due to their third-party status.
Nintendo don't have any characters left that could compete with the publicity that Cloud or Ryu have gotten them/will continue to get them. Inklings are the closest and they're still way off being as big as our current 3rd Parties.

I couldn't really see Shovel Knight matching the kind of publicity that the top Nintendo requests would. Let alone that of real iconic 3rd Parties.
 

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You know I posted this on the DLC thread and thought it may be notable.
Anyways, I've been hearing his name EVERYWHERE along with Strike the Earth EVERYWHERE and I honestly can't take it anymore. It's literally been, "Shovel Night this!" and, "Shovel Knight that!" for the past 4 months and it's driving me crazy, but eh, I'll shake it off.
I doubt Butt-Butt's in the game, and I'm almost 8000% positive that Cloud will be the next character released, and doubt the rumor's legitimacy 9000%. (I'm so sick of Strike the Earth by the way)
 
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I am pretty hyped that cloud got in. My favore characters are always the ones that no one requested, yet everyone didn't know they wanted until they found out.
 

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I couldn't really see Shovel Knight matching the kind of publicity that the top Nintendo requests would. Let alone that of real iconic 3rd Parties.
This. Someone like K.Rool, Wolf or Dixie would be far more profitable. There's no majorly requested character that Shovel Knight clearly outranks.
 
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You know now with Ryu's Amiibo being leaked. (Twice you've now been leaked Mr.Street Fighter)
We might get an update on the Amiibo again during the Smash Direct.
As you can remember they went over the following and we actually got to see their productions models back in the E3 Direct.
:4gaw::4rob::4duckhunt::4falco::4miibrawl::4miisword::4miigun:
They might give the UK an actual release date for Lucas as all we know is he's coming Early 2016.
And they might give us our Boy.
They will also probably tell us (whatever the next characters are) will get Amiibo as they did with each of the other DLC.:4cloud:
:4mewtwo::4lucas:-April
:4feroy::4ryu:-E3
So prepare for Amiibo Lads :happysheep:
 

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Cloud Strife / Shovel Knight (April Slots)
Inklings (September Slot)

Is my prediction for the last three (all ballot) characters as of right now.


The tweet (Original Translation by @Masked Man (仮面の男) , Soma and myself) in case other people are wondering:
I think I fulfilled a fairly difficult request, what do you think [about it]? For more details, I'll explain in the special Smash presentation in December.

For what it's worth, the three of us who worked on the translation believe that Sakurai means he's talking about ballot choice. In addition to the points that Kenith Kenith made above.

I think Cloud will be released in December, along with the other two; a la "New Content Approaching" E3 (Lucas, Roy and Ryu).

As for the Famitsu Column, we'll see! I hope Cloud gets his own column...I want all those juicy details :).
Considering Inklings will only have had 2-3 months worth of devtime (going by when the September Slot was added), how exactly do you envision their moveset being? Because that isn't that long of a period haha, especially considering how to represent Inklings you'd have to represent the ink shooting to some extent, which is a lot more complicated than semi-cloning Ness and creating Mewtwo, both of which had about six months IIRC.

Not that I disagree, but just a point that I noticed and wanted to ask about.
 

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So I believe that :4cloud:'s reveal hinders the Shovel Knight rumor's credibility to near nonexistence, because :4cloud:will most likely be the next character released going off of previous experience (Lucas, K.K. Slider Costume and feel free to mention more if I'm missing something) so there's nothing that helps the rumor at all. Not to mention tomorrow was supposed to be the deadline, that can't be taken back. So therefore I think that we can all consider it dead and ignore it entirely.
 

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This. Someone like K.Rool, Wolf or Dixie would be far more profitable. There's no majorly requested character that Shovel Knight clearly outranks.
Really? Shovel Knight would be less hyped than Wolf or Dixie Kong, a veteran semi-clone and a semi-clone?
Nintendo fans have been hyping this game for over two years now, and this is a Nintendo game. Outside the dedicated Smash community, Shovel Knight would be extremely hype.
 

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I already have.

With Ryu and Cloud as third-party character DLC, getting someone niche as a third-party DLC would be underwhelming.
The only indie that I think remotely stands a chance (Not that much but still) is Shantae, because of her overwhelming popularity and her contributions to the indie community as a whole. (Also welcome to thread @GhostlyLure it's nice to see ya!)
 

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Considering Inklings will only have had 2-3 months worth of devtime (going by when the September Slot was added), how exactly do you envision their moveset being? Because that isn't that long of a period haha, especially considering how to represent Inklings you'd have to represent the ink shooting to some extent, which is a lot more complicated than semi-cloning Ness and creating Mewtwo, both of which had about six months IIRC.

Not that I disagree, but just a point that I noticed and wanted to ask about.
That's a good point. Either they added the slot later (because they are aware of datamining) or it could point to an easy character like Wolf which would fall in line with the logic I said in Is Wolf a Shoo-In. The other point could be an announcement of a character but not a release. I can't see them only announcing one character in a special Smash broadcast...especially as they already announced Cloud.

"is Wolf a Shoo-In" said:
I believe that if we were to get Wolf, he could get in just like how clones (and semi-clones) get into Smash…at the tail end of development when they have extra time they can use to throw together a character or two. I don’t think he will be a ‘focused development’ character. So if the third slot is the final slot, and DLC will wrap up soon…then his chances are still decent. However, my gut feeling on the ballot characters is that they will pick only newcomers, based on the way they presented Lucas and Roy and the ballot in general.

PushDustIn PushDustIn Talk about the possibility of Master Chief in Smash.

@PsychoIncarnate How often does the Ono appear for you? I rarely encounter him during my play through. And when he appears I take the chance to take the treasure Terror Time offers.
Master Chief is an icon for the FPS genre. His games have redefined FPS games on the console. He's very important and very recognizable.

That being said, he presents very unique design challenges which will probably prohibit him getting in. For starters, it would be difficult to include realistic firearms in Smash without raising the ratings in the US. AFAIK Master Chief would only use guns (and two at a time!), maybe his sword for melee attacks or whatever which would make designing a move set around difficult. If Sakurai could figure out Little Mac, then I'm sure he could work something out if it became a thing. I also think he stands out a bit more (design wise) compared to the rest of the cast and wouldn't fit in the game...but that's just a personal opinion.

Likelihood - 25%
 

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Really? Shovel Knight would be less hyped than Wolf or Dixie Kong, a veteran semi-clone and a semi-clone?
Nintendo fans have been hyping this game for over two years now, and this is a Nintendo game. Outside the dedicated Smash community, Shovel Knight would be extremely hype.
Really? Shovel Knight would be less hyped than Wolf or Dixie Kong, a veteran semi-clone and a semi-clone
Really? Dixie Kong, a semi-clone?
a semi-clone
Ken, that's a real big assumption that you're making here.
You're telling me that Dixie will only be a semi-clone. You're telling me that she can't unique all on her own and that she needs to bump off of :4diddy:.

Bro, that's screwed up. It's like this character can only be a clone. Hell all I can say was that Shovel Knight could easily just be copied and pasted with :4link:down air, :4villager:down smash and having some similar moves to swordusers and being somewhat generic but that would be insulting to say that to its fans but saying Dixie CAN only be a clone is insulting to me and the fans of that character.

She can bbe just as or even more unique than Butt Butt and can bring in just the hype as well. People have been clamoring for another DK rep for YEARS. But somehow would be less hype than some indie character because it will end up being a clone because that all Dixie.


No, that's a stupid mindset.
 
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We still talking about Shovel Knight?
Seriously, when will it end? One side doesn't want to let the rumor die and the other brings his "unnimportance" even when the topic has nothing to do with it

I honestly think that rumor is deader than dead but I'm not going to rule out Shovel Knight because of that
And I'm gonna say it again, the Smash fanbase underestimates how popular SK is
 

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That's a good point. Either they added the slot later (because they are aware of datamining) or it could point to an easy character like Wolf which would fall in line with the logic I said in Is Wolf a Shoo-In. The other point could be an announcement of a character but not a release. I can't see them only announcing one character in a special Smash broadcast...especially as they already announced Cloud.
Oh of course, we're not just getting a second character. However, I do believe that for as savvy as Nintendo got in terms of making sure data doesn't leak, they wouldn't/couldn't just not add the placeholder data, as they need that to test the character in dev builds. That, to me, points moreso towards Wolf (which is understandable given his veteran status and popularity), but I also see Inklings still coming separately, just revealed and not released (logic would dictate that there's at least going to be four characters altogether for Fighter Bundle #2 since FB#1 had four).
 

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Ken, that's a real big assumption that you're making here.
You're telling me that Dixie will only be a semi-clone. You're telling me that she can't unique all on her own and that she needs to bump off of :4diddy:.

Bro, that's screwed up. It's like this character can only be a clone. Hell all I can say was that Shovel Knight could easily just be copied and pasted with :4link:down air, :4villager:down smash and having some similar moves to swordusers and being somewhat generic but that would be insulting to say that to its fans but saying Dixie CAN only be a clone is insulting to me and the fans of that character.

She can bbe just as or even more unique than Butt Butt and can bring in just the hype as well. People have been clamoring for another DK rep for YEARS. But somehow would be less hype than some indie character because it will end up being a clone because that all Dixie.


No, that's a stupid mindset.
I didn't say she only "can" be a clone. But she would almost certainly borrow moves from Diddy Kong.
And people have been clamouring for King K. Rool for years. Dixie Kong hasn't been as requested. And with the "Kampaign" going, there will be as much salt as there is celebration.
 
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