Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Cutie Gwen]

If you're gonna complain about Roy being on roster, might as well add that with Lucina.

Roy is a legit semi-clone of Marth with his own additions and his jab was different as well as ALL of his aerials.

Lucina is a worst version of Marth and is made as an accessible version of him that adds nothing new. Her character is literally pretending to be the Hero King and no matter how many ideas we can spew to change her up, she was and is a variant of Marth just ACTUALLY FEMININE.

And this is coming from someone who plays Lucina. She's a super lazy clone brought in to pad the roster because of extra time.

Except Lucina is easily one of the most hated characters in the game and a MAJOR detail. WESTERN fans hate Roy because of him being **** in FE6. However, with Lucina, they most likely played Awakening, so they enjoyed her inclusion as they knew the character. It'd be a much different story had Awakening came out after Smash, I can guarantee that

 

[Ura]

Oh, alright
But rapists seem to be popular in FE as SS proved with Valter and that obnoxious dead meme
The little girl part doesn't seem to matter in FE as they're technically adults
Still more character than Roy though

Not gonna go in to some petty flame war over who's right and who's wrong or anything but it's really hypocritical for people to tell me not to hate Corrin when they're able to hate on Roy so easily. Especially when you guys exaggerate the character's flaws to the max. You're exactly the people I spoke about during that April-June period of last year.

If you want to continue with this that's your prerogative and I won't stop you but don't be upset when you see me saying negative things about Corrin because you honestly can't practice what you preach.

 

[Chandeelure]

If you're gonna complain about Roy being on roster, might as well add that with Lucina.

Roy is a legit semi-clone of Marth with his own additions and his jab was different as well as ALL of his aerials.

Lucina is a worst version of Marth and is made as an accessible version of him that adds nothing new. Her character is literally pretending to be the Hero King and no matter how many ideas we can spew to change her up, she was and is a variant of Marth just ACTUALLY FEMININE.

And this is coming from someone who plays Lucina. She's a super lazy clone brought in to pad the roster because of extra time.

Roy's aerials are all based on Marth's, except Dair, Roy copied that one from Ike.
And I don't see the point in saying Lucina is a worse Marth to defend Roy.
Roy is like, the worst character in the game, Bottom 5, probably, much worse than Lucina.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There's a significant difference between these two lines;

"Roy isn't my favorite FE character, so I'd have preferred someone else."

and

"A chair would be better than Roy."

Paraphrased to a degree, but the point is there. The first one is very reasonable. You could even rewrite it as "Roy is someone I dislike, so I'd have preferred someone else." Still reasonable. The second one is just pure hate and lacks any logic to it.

Look, I've seen enough of this bull**** Roy hate for long enough. It doesn't add anything useful. It's just as bad as the constant hating on FE for getting two DLC characters. It's pure drama and isn't good for anyone.

Swamp's point is what I first said, being reasonable in one's criticisms and show restraint as well. Hating and Criticism is completely different. I hate a lot of games myself(Sonic Unleashed, for instance). My criticisms aren't hate-based, but I actually explain my issues with it without using colorful language, pointless poor comparisons, etc. I get mad too, of course. We all do. But restraint is necessary here. There's a reason why we're replying to this and trying to get rid of the pointless hate and only leave reasonable criticism. It gets everyone on edge, it derails a simple set of DLC questions and answers into a completely different argument(the getting rid of hate argument), and essentially always ends in drama. That said, I think it's best we just stop this kind of hate before it gets so bad that we can longer do anything but have the Moderators end it themselves, which is even worse to deal with. If a Mod has to be called in, it went way too far. It should be easy to solve a problem without them, that isn't a Spammer, Spambot, or someone posting illegal stuff/porn here. Those are the ones that aren't reasonable people in any way, shape, or form and discounting the spambot who isn't a person as is, it cannot be solved by talking to them.

Pssst. Irene. Here's a secret

Spoiler

Me, Zoroark and Qrow have given ACTUAL reasoning to dislike Roy instead of blindly hating him and we don't feel the need to explain those fair criticisms all the time. And language being colourful is the poster's choice, you can still be vulgar AND fair at the same time

Not gonna go in to some petty flame war over who's right and who's wrong or anything but it's really hypocritical for people to tell me not to hate Corrin when they're able to hate on Roy so easily. Especially when you guys exaggerate the character's flaws to the max. You're exactly the people I spoke about during that April-June period of last year.

If you want to continue with this that's your prerogative and I won't stop you but don't be upset when you see me saying negative things about Corrin because you honestly can't practice what you preach.

I feel like the two aren't comparable as you hated Corrin for his Smash appearance whereas we Roy bashers hate him because of his FE incarnation. If you hated Corrin as a character and he felt absolute garbage in FE gameplay, it'd be justified

 

[Deleted member]

Not gonna go in to some petty flame war over who's right and who's wrong or anything but it's really hypocritical for people to tell me not to hate Corrin when they're able to hate on Roy so easily. Especially when you guys exaggerate the character's flaws to the max. You're exactly the people I spoke about during that April-June period of last year.

If you want to continue with this that's your prerogative and I won't stop you but don't be upset when you see me saying negative things about Corrin because you honestly can't practice what you preach.

Have you at least played Fates to give an opinion on Corrin?

you can still be vulgar AND fair at the same time

Also, this

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

From a plot perspective, the Villanious Saturday Morning Trio is much worse than the Suspenseful Azura by a huge margin. Garon being a the biggest offended as this generic, obviously evil corrupt king with little to no motivations behind his actions. Even the Dark Demon King from Sacred Stones was a better villain than him.

 

[Ura]

Pssst. Irene. Here's a secret

Spoiler

Me, Zoroark and Qrow have given ACTUAL reasoning to dislike Roy instead of blindly hating him and we don't feel the need to explain those fair criticisms all the time. And language being colourful is the poster's choice, you can still be vulgar AND fair at the same time

I feel like the two aren't comparable as you hated Corrin for his Smash appearance whereas we Roy bashers hate him because of his FE incarnation. If you hated Corrin as a character and he felt absolute garbage in FE gameplay, it'd be justified

Whether it's FE or Smash doesn't make a difference. If you continue going on this salty tirade on the same thing over and over again, don't give me the sob story of how I shouldn't be upset about Corrin being in the game. It's so freaking hypocritical and I really want nothing of you telling me what to do seeing as you make a living off doing the same thing. Practice what you freaking preach or just give it a rest. For real.

Have you at least played Fates to give an opinion on Corrin?

Haven't played Fates and don't plan to do that for a while. I'm not even talking about that.

 

[Schnee117]

they're able to hate on Roy so easily.

He says whilst a bunch of people are trying to censor the negative views on Roy.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Pssst. Irene. Here's a secret

Spoiler

Me, Zoroark and Qrow have given ACTUAL reasoning to dislike Roy instead of blindly hating him and we don't feel the need to explain those fair criticisms all the time. And language being colourful is the poster's choice, you can still be vulgar AND fair at the same time

If you're not going to list it every time you bring it up, people will call it out and it makes you look like you're blindly hating. That's on you not giving a proper argument, not on us. We're only replying to what you said here and now. You need to make it clear each time you make an argument what the full argument is so nobody is confused. This is your responsibility as a poster to provide all the information necessary for us to comment on. Especially if you're posting in an area where we can legitimately make a comment about what you said. This is a topic where nobody is barred from posting unless they themselves is a problem user. If you don't want people to reply to your current arguments, make a blog that doesn't allow comments. Otherwise, we can and will reply to what you actually say. That's... how discussions work, man. :/

I feel like the two aren't comparable as you hated Corrin for his Smash appearance whereas we Roy bashers hate him because of his FE incarnation. If you hated Corrin as a character and he felt absolute garbage in FE gameplay, it'd be justified

No it wouldn't. It's never justified. If you want to hate on a Smash character who sucks in Smash, that's different. But they're two different games and not comparable.

 

[Deleted member]

From a plot perspective, the Villanious Saturday Morning Trio is much worse than the Suspenseful Azura by a huge margin. Garon being a the biggest offended as this generic, obviously evil corrupt king with little to no motivations behind his actions. Even the Dark Demon King from Sacred Stones was a better villain than him.

Well, at least the Demon King was smart
Like, smart enough to complete 4/5 of his plan, damn, that's a new record
Garon just doesn't know what he wants

Whether it's FE or Smash doesn't make a difference. If you continue going on this salty tirade on the same thing over and over again, don't give me the sob story of how I shouldn't be upset about Corrin being in the game. It's so freaking hypocritical and I really want nothing of you telling me what to do seeing as you make a living off doing the same thing. Practice what you freaking preach or just give it a rest. For real.



Haven't played Fates and don't plan to do that for a while. I'm not even talking about that.

We're not talking about Smash either

 

[Ura]

Guys, this isn't a deal about hating a character because of whatever reason. It's just hating on characters period. When you continuously hate on a character over and over again constantly it's friggin annoying as all hell and you come off as a douche quite frankly. I realized that quickly hence why I don't talk about the characters I don't like all that often for the sake of not being a pain in the arse to people who like said characters. Like Corrin. I loathe the character being in the game but i'm not always going to go around and preach about how much I hate the character all the while telling people not to hate Roy.

We're not talking about Smash either

Which is why I said it doesn't matter whether it's either of the 2 you're talking about.

 

[Schnee117]

Guys, this isn't a deal about hating a character because of whatever reason. It's just hating on characters period. When you continuously hate on a character over and over again constantly it's friggin annoying as all hell and you come off as a douche quite frankly. I realized that quickly hence why I don't talk about the characters I don't like all that often for the sake of not being a pain in the arse to people who like said characters. Like Corrin. I loathe the character being in the game but i'm not always going to go around and preach about how much I hate the character all the while telling people not to hate Roy.

It's not going around and preaching either.
Roy get's brought up. People will give their opinions on him.
It'd be going around and preaching if I went to various (unrelated) threads, comment sections etc. just to say that I hate Roy.

 

[Chandeelure]

It's OK, you don't have to fight, both Corrin and Roy are garbage.

That was a joke.

 

[ChikoLad]

That's what I'd call strawgrasping

I don't see how, especially since I turned out right.

He shows a picture of the "entire" playable cast of 3D World, except for one character. And it just so happens they are all on her home planet.

Yeah it was tooooootally a coincidence and not a hint, especially when she was confirmed not long after.

You should read the rest of his posts.
This is the most logical conclusion he's ever drawn.

Your salt and passive aggressive dislike for Rosalina and myself, will make my dinner in about an hour, that much tastier.

I don't take the short sighted that seriously anyway.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, this isn't a deal about hating a character because of whatever reason. It's just hating on characters period. When you continuously hate on a character over and over again constantly it's friggin annoying as all hell and you come off as a douche quite frankly. I realized that quickly hence why I don't talk about the characters I don't like all that often for the sake of not being a pain in the arse to people who like said characters. Like Corrin. I loathe the character being in the game but i'm not always going to go around and preach about how much I hate the character all the while telling people not to hate Roy.



Which is why I said it doesn't matter whether it's either of the 2 you're talking about.

We're not saying it's not okay to hate a character, but at least have a reason
90% of the people who hate Corrin in Smash are just salty because he "stole"/"is a waste of" a slot
Also

It's not going around and preaching either.
Roy get's brought up. People will give their opinions on him.
It'd be going around and preaching if I went to various (unrelated) threads, comment sections etc. just to say that I hate Roy.

This

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Whether it's FE or Smash doesn't make a difference. If you continue going on this salty tirade on the same thing over and over again, don't give me the sob story of how I shouldn't be upset about Corrin being in the game. It's so freaking hypocritical and I really want nothing of you telling me what to do seeing as you make a living off doing the same thing. Practice what you freaking preach or just give it a rest. For real.

It's not hypocrital. I'm telling you people who bash Roy at least look at both of his incarnations to form an opinion. People who bash Corrin only do so because 'I DIDN'T WANT THIS CHARACTER!' and didn't judge them for Fates. Now that Fates has been released, you can do the same for Corrin, but you haven't revealed your opinion on Corrin in Fates. After all, what's more important? Your thoughts of the main character, or your thoughts of a character you don't need to use?

If you're not going to list it every time you bring it up, people will call it out and it makes you look like you're blindly hating. That's on you not giving a proper argument, not on us. We're only replying to what you said here and now. You need to make it clear each time you make an argument what the full argument is so nobody is confused. This is your responsibility as a poster to provide all the information necessary for us to comment on. Especially if you're posting in an area where we can legitimately make a comment about what you said. This is a topic where nobody is barred from posting unless they themselves is a problem user. If you don't want people to reply to your current arguments, make a blog that doesn't allow comments. Otherwise, we can and will reply to what you actually say. That's... how discussions work, man. :/


No it wouldn't. It's never justified. If you want to hate on a Smash character who sucks in Smash, that's different. But they're two different games and not comparable.

But I'm not hating Roy because he sucks in Smash. I hate him for being very bland in terms of character, I hate him for his stat spread, as being a jack of all trades doesn't work in FE, I hate how Roy does chip damage in FE, I hate how Roy can literally be OHKO-d by enemy mages who always target him, I hate how the admittedly badass Sword of Seals, his only redemption imo, is obtained SO late, I hate how he's required for EVERY map because of him being the protagonist, I hate how ****ing late his promotion is, because it's just wrong promoting on the final level unless you do Gaiden chapters, I hate how he can only use swords, even after promotion(This applies to Marth, but half of his games had no weapon triangle and FE1 Falchion made him pretty much invincible) and finally, I hate how ripped off I felt from his Smash incarnation. If I'm still seen as a blind hater, then those people need to get their eyes checked

 

[A Distant Demon]

I don't see how, especially since I turned out right.

Being right doesnt make you logical.

I predicted Wii Fit Trainer would be in smash 4 because we had a hardware rep in the past 2 games (ROB and G&W)

I was right. I was not logical.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't see how, especially since I turned out right.

He shows a picture of the "entire" playable cast of 3D World, except for one character. And it just so happens they are all on her home planet.

Yeah it was tooooootally a coincidence and not a hint, especially when she was confirmed not long after.



Your salt and passive aggressive dislike for Rosalina and myself, will make my dinner in about an hour, that much tastier.

I don't take the short sighted that seriously anyway.

Her being in doesn't prove your theory right, he was just celebrating 3D World's release, it was never supposed to be a "hint"

 

[Ura]

It's not going around and preaching either.
Roy get's brought up. People will give their opinions on him.
It'd be going around and preaching if I went to various (unrelated) threads, comment sections etc. just to say that I hate Roy.

It's frigging annoying when every time the character's brought up you have to make over exaggerated claims about the character that may or may not be true. You don't have to be a pain in the arse everytime said character is mentioned because you loathe the character. Especially when said people in question are the ones that preach about not hating another character.

Again, if you want to go on a salty tirade on a character then that's you decision. I ain't gonna stop you. Just don't preach to me sob stories of how I shouldn't do the same thing as well. These people know exactly who they are.

Honestly, we just need to drop this. It's getting annoying as hell and it goes back to what I said a while back about petty forum drama. The bottom line here is practice what you preach and don't get on my rear end for something you guys always do every chance you get. That's all i'm saying.

 

[AreJay25]

Well, while all of this arguing is going on...

... Capcom has a survey asking whether or not people want Mega Man 11.

https://translate.google.com/transl..._160225/3DS_rcc_160225.cgi&edit-text=&act=url

They reeeeally don't need to ask this question.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Roy's aerials are all based on Marth's, except Dair, Roy copied that one from Ike.
And I don't see the point in saying Lucina is a worse Marth to defend Roy.
Roy is like, the worst character in the game, Bottom 5, probably, much worse than Lucina.

He's still a semi-clone? Yeah, um, we knew that.

He's also number 32 on the current official tier list. Marth is 41 and Lucina is 47 respectively. Want to know why? Because it's worked on by professional players and analysists. http://www.ssbwiki.com/Tier_List#Super_Smash_Bros._4_tier_list It's obvious why I trust this over what your post just said. You're literally giving a blind hate statement and providing zero reason to believe he's that bad. However, even more notably, that tier list is done by people who know the game very well and aren't providing objectively bad reasons for why a character is bad. You've given no explanation. Why should I take your argument here seriously?

Lucina is definitely worse as a Marth clone, where Roy very much is not at this point. Roy being hated for being a clone in Smash 4 is hypocritical because Lucina is objectively worse as a clone as well. Nobody is using Lucina as a scapegoat argument, but stating a fact here. Yes, she's worse. Objectively so in this game. She purposely has worse stats, a worse ability than Marth, less options than either Marth or Roy.

But that's not my entire point; There is no way Roy could ever be bottom 5 in this game when it's clear from a competitive stand point he has tons more options than someone like Ganondorf or even Palutena. And Lucina as well.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's frigging annoying when every time the character's brought up you have to make over exaggerated claims about the character that may or may not be true.

Except they AREN'T over exaggerated. We Roy Bashers follow a simple rule: PEME, which stands for Personal Experience Means Everything. You're guilty of this too, I've seen you bash Hector and you called him a liability in FE7, whereas everyone else who played with Hector didn't have such a bad time like you ended up getting. Just because you didn't get screwed constantly doesn't mean others didn't either. Case and point, I think of Joshua less fondly due to him getting 0 stat boosts when leveling up. However, in my run, Neimi was a ****ing monster. Nobody else thinks that highly of Neimi though

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Well, while all of this arguing is going on...

... Capcom has a survey asking whether or not people want Mega Man 11.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://monitor.capcom.co.jp/question/capcom/3DS_rcc_160225/3DS_rcc_160225.cgi&edit-text=&act=url

They reeeeally don't need to ask this question.

Poor Crapcom, I feel the company is truly losing their touch every time they do something good.

Though I'll put some stock into this since Capcom did run a poll for Street Fighter V newcomers before development began.

 

[ChikoLad]

Her being in doesn't prove your theory right, he was just celebrating 3D World's release, it was never supposed to be a "hint"

So you are just gonna overlook the very close timing, the fact that the one other (already confirmed) playable character from 3D World was missing from the post, and the picture is literally depicting the characters on that character's home planet, which happens to be from the game she is a big icon of?

This is like saying that the Meta Knight mask on the Mii, wasn't a hint towards Meta Knight. Saying it wasn't a hint is more strawgrasping than anything, especially now.

Sakurai has hinted at plenty of future announcments on his Miiverse run and the Rosalina one was far from the most obscure.

Being right doesnt make you logical.

I predicted Wii Fit Trainer would be in smash 4 because we had a hardware rep in the past 2 games (ROB and G&W)

I was right. I was not logical.

Except my prediction was based on solid logic and I still turned out right.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's not hypocrital. I'm telling you people who bash Roy at least look at both of his incarnations to form an opinion. People who bash Corrin only do so because 'I DIDN'T WANT THIS CHARACTER!' and didn't judge them for Fates. Now that Fates has been released, you can do the same for Corrin, but you haven't revealed your opinion on Corrin in Fates. After all, what's more important? Your thoughts of the main character, or your thoughts of a character you don't need to use?

But I'm not hating Roy because he sucks in Smash. I hate him for being very bland in terms of character, I hate him for his stat spread, as being a jack of all trades doesn't work in FE, I hate how Roy does chip damage in FE, I hate how Roy can literally be OHKO-d by enemy mages who always target him, I hate how the admittedly badass Sword of Seals, his only redemption imo, is obtained SO late, I hate how he's required for EVERY map because of him being the protagonist, I hate how ****ing late his promotion is, because it's just wrong promoting on the final level unless you do Gaiden chapters, I hate how he can only use swords, even after promotion(This applies to Marth, but half of his games had no weapon triangle and FE1 Falchion made him pretty much invincible) and finally, I hate how ripped off I felt from his Smash incarnation. If I'm still seen as a blind hater, then those people need to get their eyes checked

You see what you just said? None of this was implied to be the full reason for why you dislike him in Smash beforehand. This I get. You feel he's poorly represented. You have good reasons to hate him in FE6 alone. Your reasons for hating him in Smash are different too. Basically put, you should separate your Smash and FE6 reasons for disliking him so people understand where you're coming from.

I never knew this is what you meant at any time. Thank you for elaborating. I still like Roy in Smash, but I can respect this opinion because it's properly explained and logical.

 

[Coricus]

Look, you may have a reasonable explanation for not liking a character, but if we don't see it when we're reading your post then it may as well have never happened. If it's too much effort to write it down again, at least keep a link to your old explanation handy instead of just assuming that everyone is a mind reader. Otherwise you're just going to come off as just flaming everything you don't like without justification.

And I'm not going to play favorites and shield one character while dissing another, either. Short of momentary brain snappage immediately after reveals, I am an equal opportunity white knight. Let no character be subject to the flaming that the ones that brought me to the series have.

 

[Chandeelure]

He's still a semi-clone? Yeah, um, we knew that.

He's also number 32 on the current official tier list. Marth is 41 and Lucina is 47 respectively. Want to know why? Because it's worked on by professional players and analysists. http://www.ssbwiki.com/Tier_List#Super_Smash_Bros._4_tier_list It's obvious why I trust this over what your post just said. You're literally giving a blind hate statement and providing zero reason to believe he's that bad. However, even more notably, that tier list is done by people who know the game very well and aren't providing objectively bad reasons for why a character is bad. You've given no explanation. Why should I take your argument here seriously?

Lucina is definitely worse as a Marth clone, where Roy very much is not at this point. Roy being hated for being a clone in Smash 4 is hypocritical because Lucina is objectively worse as a clone as well. Nobody is using Lucina as a scapegoat argument, but stating a fact here. Yes, she's worse. Objectively so in this game. She purposely has worse stats, a worse ability than Marth, less options than either Marth or Roy.

But that's not my entire point; There is no way Roy could ever be bottom 5 in this game when it's clear from a competitive stand point he has tons more options than someone like Ganondorf or even Palutena. And Lucina as well.

LOL

First I don't hate Roy at all, I'm just saying the truth.

And second, that tier list is a 1.1.3, two patches ago, so yeah, basically all the things you said are invalid.
What options? being comboed to death? having bad recovery? terrible sweetspot localization making his range useless?
Go to the competitive impressions thread, and ask for Roy, thanks.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

I don't see how, especially since I turned out right.

He shows a picture of the "entire" playable cast of 3D World, except for one character. And it just so happens they are all on her home planet.

Yeah it was tooooootally a coincidence and not a hint, especially when she was confirmed not long after.



Your salt and passive aggressive dislike for Rosalina and myself, will make my dinner in about an hour, that much tastier.

I don't take the short sighted that seriously anyway.

Just because I don't buy some theories doesn't mean I'm short sighted.
If I could choose between this theory, the dolphin-one or the Rosalina is a gearnut one I think this one is very logical and might hint at Rosalina's playability (it sure as hell hinted at the fact Toad wasn't a playable character)
Galaxy stage reveal (not it being the location of the pic, they could've picked Mush Kingdom U) is more iffy since everything that made for a good Galaxy stage is heavily tied to Rosalina or the Loomers.

Yes, Rosalina is not my favorite character (That'd be Bowser Jr in his best portrayals) but that doesn't mean I'm salty about her inclusion, especially not with her playstyle being right up my ally and I would totally buy a game where her younger self is the playable character.

The post on the previous page explains my different stages my of Rosalina-love-hate relationship.

My post was intended as a light hearted jabs at your habit of making theories (as in non-confirmed by Nintendo) and I sincerely apologise if the previous post, this post or one of my other posts offends you.

 

[Deleted member]

bash Hector

Who would ever do such a thing?

I think of Joshua less fondly due to him getting 0 stat boosts when leveling up.

Guess Lady Luck wasn't on your side

Nobody else thinks that highly of Neimi though

Because she isn't Lute who can 3HKO Draco Zombies with Bolting

So you are just gonna overlook the very close timing, the fact that the one other (already confirmed) playable character from 3D World was missing from the post, and the picture is literally depicting the characters on that character's home planet, which happens to be from the game she is a big icon of?

This is like saying that the Meta Knight mask on the Mii, wasn't a hint towards Meta Knight. Saying it wasn't a hint is more strawgrasping than anything, especially now.

Sakurai has hinted at plenty of future announcments on his Miiverse run and the Rosalina one was far from the most obscure.



Except my prediction was based on solid logic and I still turned out right.

"Based on solid logic"
Lol

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You see what you just said? None of this was implied to be the full reason for why you dislike him in Smash beforehand. This I get. You feel he's poorly represented. You have good reasons to hate him in FE6 alone. Your reasons for hating him in Smash are different too. Basically put, you should separate your Smash and FE6 reasons for disliking him so people understand where you're coming from.

I never knew this is what you meant at any time. Thank you for elaborating. I still like Roy in Smash, but I can respect this opinion because it's properly explained and logical.

My issue with the Corrin comparison is how literally nobody who hates Corrin's addition into Smash dares tell me they're thoughts on Corrin in the game in which they are the main protagonist. I find this more important than a mere crossover game. If you happen to like Roy, good for you! I'm not going to try changing that, I also don't want fans of Roy to force me to like him when my experience was more than enough of a judgement. Something I forgot to mention as I was mostly focusing on FE. He doesn't use his cool crit animation of regular swords, as that could have EASILY been a taunt, and I dislike how his projectile, something VERY useful for him, isn't in Smash either

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

LOL

First I don't hate Roy at all, I'm just saying the truth.

And second, that tier list is a 1.1.3, two patches ago, so yeah, basically all the things you said are invalid.
What options? being comboed to death? having bad recovery? terrible sweetspot localization making his range useless?
Go to the competitive impressions thread, and ask for Roy, thanks.

So why didn't you say a single one of these things in the first place? You just called him bad and didn't get a single explanation why. That's blindly hating at best. That's why I called you out in the first place, and cited something official to prove otherwise. I don't pretend it's outdated either. That wasn't even the point.

I'm aware it's outdated. That's the current one on the wiki and only one to look at right now. It means no official tier list for later versions are up and cannot be analyzed yet. They haven't finished any new ones enough to put it up there.

But at least now I see why you think he's currently bad. I just wish you explained it like that in the first post, instead of a very poor explanation with absolutely zero reasons to see why he's bad besides "word of Chandelure". Being that you're not a Smash 4 Backroom Member, I can't take your word seriously on its own merit, and need to see an actual explanation to take what you say seriously. I don't mean this in a mean way either, mind you. You just have no credit to your name alone, so I have to take what you say specifically and apply it. If you give no explanation, I would think you're full of it. If you give an explanation, I can understand your points. No more no less.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

This theory hinges on a few factors:

1) Was the post made on 3D World's release date?
If so, it could just be a picture to celebrate the game's release.
If not, it's pretty random for a meaningless post.

2) Was Mushroom Kingdom (Nabbit the stage) revealed already?
If so, the use if a Galaxy stage might be weird.

3) Was Rosalina revealed to be in 3D World already?
If so, that would imply someone's missing and the hole would be filled a week later.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That's the current one on the wiki

The wiki highly exaggerated Mewtwo's strengths and outright lied about them before his buffs iirc

 

[Ura]

Except they AREN'T over exaggerated. We Roy Bashers follow a simple rule: PEME, which stands for Personal Experience Means Everything. You're guilty of this too, I've seen you bash Hector and you called him a liability in FE7, whereas everyone else who played with Hector didn't have such a bad time like you ended up getting. Just because you didn't get screwed constantly doesn't mean others didn't either. Case and point, I think of Joshua less fondly due to him getting 0 stat boosts when leveling up. However, in my run, Neimi was a ****ing monster. Nobody else thinks that highly of Neimi though

Like I said, I was guilty of doing this as well before and I acknowledge theirs a bunch of characters I don't like. I don't like Hector for reason being that people drool over him and stuff and that I find him rather overrated but I don't have this unhealthy obsession with hating him because he's one of my least favorite lords or some crap like that. Theirs even some aspects of the character that I like despite the above.

When I say I don't like Corrin, it's because of the way said character was introduced to the game in a manner that frustrated a lot of other people by removing a 2nd spot for another Ballot character. It's not just a matter of "grr I hate this character because it's not the character I wanted!". I don't like Bayo either but I can acknowledge that she got in because of fan support unlike the former. That being said, I don't want to be that guy everytime the character's brought up saying how much I hate the character and all that crap. I was guilty of doing this until I realized it was time for me to give it a rest for the sake of not coming across as a douche. That's why I can't stand people hating on one character when it's not okay to hate another because of some self-contrived criteria.

I really want to drop this so this doesn't turn in to another you're right and i'm wrong flame war. I said what I needed to say and there's really no point in continuing this without going in circles so i'm going to respectfully end this here.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Corrin is gimmick Marth but her gimmicks are fun so eh I don't care.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Like I said, I was guilty of doing this as well before and I acknowledge theirs a bunch of characters I don't like. I don't like Hector for reason being that people drool over him and stuff and that I find him rather overrated but I don't have this unhealthy obsession with hating him because he's one of my least favorite lords or some crap like that. Theirs even some aspects of the character that I like despite the above.

When I say I don't like Corrin, it's because of the way said character was introduced to the game in a manner that frustrated a lot of other people by removing a 2nd spot for another Ballot character. It's not just a matter of "grr I hate this character because it's not the character I wanted!". I don't like Bayo either but I can acknowledge that she got in because of fan support unlike the former. That being said, I don't want to be that guy everytime the character's brought up saying how much I hate the character and all that crap. I was guilty of doing this until I realized it was time for me to give it a rest for the sake of not coming across as a douche. That's why I can't stand people hating on one character when it's not okay to hate another because of some self-contrived criteria.

I really want to drop this so this doesn't turn in to another you're right and i'm wrong flame war. I said what I needed to say and there's really no point in continuing this without going in circles so i'm going to respectfully end this here.

But when Roy's the discussion, I can talk about my thoughts on well, ROY.

You're just proving my point on how Corrin simply can't be compared to Roy. I see NOTHING but you saying Corrin 'stole a ballot slot'. I'd respect this much, much more if you gave your opinion on Corrin in Fates

 

[Deleted member]

it's because of the way said character was introduced to the game in a manner that frustrated a lot of other people by removing a 2nd spot for another Ballot character

It's not just a matter of "grr I hate this character because it's not the character I wanted!".

If this isn't a contradiction, I don't know what it is

 

[Chandeelure]

So why didn't you say a single one of these things in the first place? You just called him bad and didn't get a single explanation why. That's blindly hating at best. That's why I called you out in the first place, and cited something official to prove otherwise. I don't pretend it's outdated either. That wasn't even the point.

I'm aware it's outdated. That's the current one on the wiki and only one to look at right now. It means no official tier list for later versions are up and cannot be analyzed yet. They haven't finished any new ones enough to put it up there.

But at least now I see why you think he's currently bad. I just wish you explained it like that in the first post, instead of a very poor explanation with absolutely zero reasons to see why he's bad besides "word of Chandelure". Being that you're not a Smash 4 Backroom Member, I can't take your word seriously on its own merit, and need to see an actual explanation to take what you say seriously. I don't mean this in a mean way either, mind you. You just have no credit to your name alone, so I have to take what you say specifically and apply it. If you give no explanation, I would think you're full of it. If you give an explanation, I can understand your points. No more no less.

An explanation was necessary for that? Not giving an explanation is blind hate? Ehh... OK?
It's obvious that Roy is bad, if you didn't know that, I don't even know why I'm discussing with you about competitive stuff.
And if the tier list is very outdated, it's useless, no excuses.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

My issue with the Corrin comparison is how literally nobody who hates Corrin's addition into Smash dares tell me they're thoughts on Corrin in the game in which they are the main protagonist. I find this more important than a mere crossover game. If you happen to like Roy, good for you! I'm not going to try changing that, I also don't want fans of Roy to force me to like him when my experience was more than enough of a judgement. Something I forgot to mention as I was mostly focusing on FE. He doesn't use his cool crit animation of regular swords, as that could have EASILY been a taunt, and I dislike how his projectile, something VERY useful for him, isn't in Smash either

To be fair, Corrin in Smash and Corrin in FE are two different things. The only useful point for his FE appearance is seeing how well he was represented with his moves. Otherwise, his usefulness in each game are unique. There's also the factor of why he was added to Smash, and that was for unique abilities/moves that others couldn't pull off. Nobody should need to play Fates to judge how he is in Smash bar "proper representation" only. The "too much FE DLC" is not a bad point, as I agree with that too. Even Push does. Sakurai even saw it as a small issue(his team convinced him otherwise). With limited DLC, any series getting more than one feels like a copout. That said, I like Corrin because he's a literal playable dragon, and that's in-universe too. Charizard is only a Dragon officially in his Mega form, and Bowser is technically a Turtle with dragon-like moves.

The wiki highly exaggerated Mewtwo's strengths and outright lied about them before his buffs iirc

To be fair, it most of the time has professionally done information. But it is usually edited by major members with decent credit to their name and not random people. Like I said, I think the wiki has issues, as it's far from perfect, but the screw-ups are not that common.

That said, it's still a fact that many of the main wiki editors are backroom members and have more credit to their name. That's why I find it a bit more trustworthy than someone who's not a backroom member saying "lol this guy is bad". Again, I do not mean offense to Chandelure here, but he did give me no explanation and just a blind hate-based statement. How else can I react when I have nothing to work with but someone who has zero credit to their name? This is why many don't take my competitive knowledge seriously. I have very few, true, but it's not like I have credit to my name at all.

 

[Ura]

Well, while all of this arguing is going on...

... Capcom has a survey asking whether or not people want Mega Man 11.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https://monitor.capcom.co.jp/question/capcom/3DS_rcc_160225/3DS_rcc_160225.cgi&edit-text=&act=url

They reeeeally don't need to ask this question.

Megaman Legends 3 plz.

But really i'm indifferent to MM11 and I would much rather see ML3 happening. And while we're on the subject of Legends I want to see Legends 2 come out on the PSN after Legends came out on the PSN this past September.