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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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In terms of hype for games I haven't played yet...

Older Games:
Xenoblade Chronicles
Kid Icarus Uprising
Metroid Prime Hunters

Available games:
Fire Emblem Fates
Super Mario Maker

Yet to be released:
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Pokken
Metroid Prime Federations Force
Pokemon Sun/Moon
Star Fox Zero
SNES Virtual Console
Zelda U
Metroid Prime 4 whenever they decide to start developing it....
 
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Last game I bought that I was really hyped for was Xenoblade X.

The original is one of my favorites, but X just blew it out of the water. It's gonna be hard to go back since the combat isn't nearly as fleshed out.
 

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honestly, I lost a bit iof hype with that color splash thign that happened :(

Though, I might get tphd, it;s just that it annoys me to know that I have to pay 90 CAN......like seriously I hope I get a job :(

if I get it, consider me hype :)
 

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Get your conspiracy theories ready folks.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

EDIT sourcegaming retweeted this IMMEDIATELY after I post it here lol
Is their any upcoming Metal Gear games?

If not, this could really be a sign that Smash 4 having an NX port is a thing and that Snake is finally returning to the game. Won't put too much stock in to it but i'll defiantly consider the possibility.

Also saw the thing about BGAE. Think that might mean Rayman could be likely for a future Smash game at some point. Can't really think of that many other big name third party characters that are plausible other than Heihachi and Bomberman.
 
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I shall never find any girl...

Just... None of them like me that way.
 

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I think the Down-B is most definitely inspired by Mario's Galaxy Spin. You can see the star cursor in the move.
But the Star Cursor isn't inherently tied to the spin, it had other functions too. It also visibly comes from Rosalina's wand in Smash.
 

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Seems fairly pessimistic for a person your age. Its not something that Id worry about, but Im sure not entirely sure how you feel at the moment.

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I'm getting good at not letting rejection get to me.

It's the fact that I just can't find anyone...
 

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Swamp Sensei Swamp Sensei

I'm in the same boat man, I know the feels somewhat.

Though in my case i'm not really eager for a relationship personally. Not anytime soon anyways.
 

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For any who hasn't seen

This is a teaser image showing off the style of the new "Ducktales" tv series.

They are going with a similar style to the new Mickey Mouse shorts
 

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RelaxAlax did a Know Your Moves on Rosalina.

Unlike most YouTuber theories on Rosalina, I overall feel fairly satisfied with this. I do have some criticisms though, mainly:

-He glossed over her moveset inspirations, making her sound way more "made up" than she actually is. Mainly, I'm surprised he didn't even mention how her normals are inspired by dolphin tricks. What's interesting about this, is that it could be tied to how she was a Water element character (and later, Water/Light) in Puzzle & Dragons: SMB Edition. Also I don't understand why he thought to correlate her Down-B to Mario's spin since, while it could draw things in, it wasn't the primary use and wasn't used much. However, one of Rosalina's signature abilities is her gravitokinesis abilities, which seemed like the obvious inspiration for her Down-B, if you ask me. One of the Custom variants even draws in opponents, which could be a reference to how she could pull Mario back to the Observatory if he jumped off it. I always saw the cursor as just a visual easter egg, not as "she's using a variant the spin move from Galaxy". It's still clear this is Rosalina using the move, as the cursor appears to come from her wand in Smash.

-He glossed over the potential reasons for her inclusion (mainly, it seemed like he really didn't want to admit that she really was the most sensible choice for a Mario newcomer from a popularity and significance/relevance standpoint). I can't blame him for this one though since she's the ONE newcomer Sakurai hasn't made an official statement on regarding her inclusion, but it's pretty easy to piece together if you know the character, mainly the reasons why she is included in OTHER games, like 3D World (since her appearing as playable in 3D World was just as big a deal, if not more so, than her being playable in Smash).

-Some of his details on her lore and history and what not are a bit sketchy.

Overall, you can definitely feel this was rushed to squeeze everything into a roughly 10-minute window, but it's still nice and it has good comedy at least (it made me happy to hear him say "she's OP in Smash because she's OP in everything else", because that's so true, haha. Well I wouldn't call Rosalina or any character broken in Smash 4, but she definitely feels so powerful, and it shows in her performance).

I wouldn't use this video as some definitive source on Rosalina's inclusion in Smash or even on the character in general, but it serves as a good jumping off point for people to get interested in the character and maybe do some more thorough research themselves. Kinda like the equivalent to Wikipedia and DYKG.

I won't get annoyed at one's like this. Sure, it's far from perfect, but I understand that, A) pretty much nobody else is willing to do near as thorough research and analysis on this character as I do, and B) he had limited amount of time to fill in the video, and he does this as a hobby too.
Yeah, that's because it's made up bull****
This is pretty much one of your headcanons you're trying to pass as a fact since nowhere does Sakurai nor anybody else state it's based on dolphins.
It's way more probable it's based on astronauts and their way of moving in space and spinning around, without gravity.
Y'know, the things Rosalina are actually associated with
Y'know, Zero Gravity, as in the only being mentioned by Sakurai involving Rosalina's portrayal.

Actually, he didn't comment on Bowser Jr.
And her appearing in 3D World has pretty much nothing to do with Smash for two reasons:

1. Smash roster was decided before 3D World chose Rosalina
2. 3D World's pick criteria were pretty arbitrary.
They needed a female specifically, some heavy bias was involved from EAD's part and Toad was already part of the first four.
That leaves EAD's favorite Rosalina vs what? Birdo? Toadette? Daisy, who is loathed by EAD?

Smash still lacked the actual juggernauts like Toad, Bowser Jr, Paper Mario and for the popularity factor, Waluigi as well.
There's no comparing those.

Rosalina has proved herself to be a stay, but I don't think she was the best of the best pick, considering Toad's resume being bigger than the universe.
 

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I'm sure there is no bias here at all when you say that.
What statement are you sarcastically trying to say is biased? Vagueness isn't clever.

Yeah, that's because it's made up bull****
This is pretty much one of your headcanons you're trying to pass as a fact since nowhere does Sakurai nor anybody else state it's based on dolphins.
It's way more probable it's based on astronauts and their way of moving in space and spinning around, without gravity.
Y'know, the things Rosalina are actually associated with
Y'know, Zero Gravity, as in the only being mentioned by Sakurai involving Rosalina's portrayal.

Actually, he didn't comment on Bowser Jr.
And her appearing in 3D World has pretty much nothing to do with Smash for two reasons:

1. Smash roster was decided before 3D World chose Rosalina
2. 3D World's pick criteria were pretty arbitrary.
They needed a female specifically, some heavy bias was involved from EAD's part and Toad was already part of the first four.
That leaves EAD's favorite Rosalina vs what? Birdo? Toadette? Daisy, who is loathed by EAD?

Smash still lacked the actual juggernauts like Toad, Bowser Jr, Paper Mario and for the popularity factor, Waluigi as well.
There's no comparing those.

Rosalina has proved herself to be a stay, but I don't think she was the best of the best pick, considering Toad's resume being bigger than the universe.
It's not a headcanon, the similarities Rosalina's moves have to dolphin tricks are FAR too consistent and across the board to her moveset to mark as a coincidence. Sakurai may never have stated it but he made it really blatantly obvious with the way she is animated.



That's not even all of them but it gets the point across.

This is no different to how people could tell, for example, Fox's moveset was based on martial arts and Arwing functions without Sakurai saying it.

And yes, Sakurai did talk about Bowser. Jr, in a Nintendo Dream interview, and spoke about how he was almost cut.

Actually, the main reason she was included in 3D World wasn't because she was female, that was just considered a nice side effect. The main reason was because she was popular and well known, as said in the Iwata Asks.

And Rosalina is far more popular than Waluigi ever has and ever will be, lol. There's a reason why she's in Smash. Paper Mario is niche compared to Mario Galaxy, plus we already have two Marios.

Toad isn't more necessary than Rosalina because Toad mostly isn't a single character, and is mostly relegated to minor roles. He appears in a lot but is totally expendable. You could take most of his roles, replace him with Lakitu or something, and nobody would care.
 
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For any who hasn't seen

This is a teaser image showing off the style of the new "Ducktales" tv series.

They are going with a similar style to the new Mickey Mouse shorts
Even though I'm one of the few people who can tell Huey, Dewey, and Louie apart. I like how they're making it easier for people.
 

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Even though I'm one of the few people who can tell Huey, Dewey, and Louie apart. I like how they're making it easier for people.
Fun fact! There's a fourth nephew!

In the Netherlands, the fourth nephew was given a name despite being a drawing **** up, like that Derpy Hooves thing iirc. His name is Kwok in Dutch, as Huey, Dewey and Louie are Kwik, Kwek and Kwak
 

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What statement are you sarcastically trying to say is biased? Vagueness isn't clever.



It's not a headcanon, the similarities Rosalina's moves have to dolphin tricks are FAR too consistent and across the board to her moveset to mark as a coincidence. Sakurai may never have stated it but he made it really blatantly obvious with the way she is animated.



That's not even all of them but it gets the point across.

This is no different to how people could tell, for example, Fox's moveset was based on martial arts and Arwing functions without Sakurai saying it.

And yes, Sakurai did talk about Bowser. Jr, in a Nintendo Dream interview, and spoke about how he was almost cut.

Actually, the main reason she was included in 3D World wasn't because she was female, that was just considered a nice side effect. The main reason was because she was popular and well known, as said in the Iwata Asks.

And Rosalina is far more popular than Waluigi ever has and ever will be, lol. There's a reason why she's in Smash. Paper Mario is niche compared to Mario Galaxy, plus we already have two Marios.

Toad isn't more necessary than Rosalina because Toad mostly isn't a single character, and is mostly relegated to minor roles. He appears in a lot but is totally expendable. You could take most of his roles, replace him with Lakitu or something, and nobody would care.
"I was thinking about what would be pleasing after the ending and wanted to bring in another female character in addition to Princess Peach. Rosalina has a following among the Super Mario Galaxy fanbase, and she's appeared in Mario Kart recently, so I think she's well known."

They were looking for a female next to Peach first, found Rosalina, figured she'd be fine for being well-known/popular

Except Sakurai has said Rosalina's moveset was based on Zero Gravity, and not "dolphin"
Though both have this grace, Sakurai probably looked for fluid motions that fit the gravity theme.

Yeah, there's a reason for that, but how do you know if Sakurai never talked about it in the first place?
Rosalina is popular for being in Smash, not in Smash for being more popular than Waluigi.

And we also have a Peach already.

Toad has plenty of fans and just because there are multiple of them doesn't mean everybody who has played Mario knows the guy, has plenty of roles in the Mario series and has been playable multiple times.
Captain Toad is unique any way.
 
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They were looking for a female next to Peach first, found Rosalina, figured she'd be fine for being well-known/popular
No, the main reason she got in was the popularity. If she wasn't popular, they would have picked another female character instead, maybe even a male one.

Except Sakurai has said Rosalina's moveset was based on Zero Gravity, and not "dolphin"
No he hasn't. He said the reason why Rosalina is lightweight in Smash is due to her using her gravity magic (gravitokinesis). He never commented on her moveset at all. Rosalina doesn't even use Zero Gravity in her moveset at all.

You don't need the creator to tell you everything, have some initiative. Rosalina's animations have CONSISTENT, FRAME-TO-FRAME similarities to dolphin tricks. That's not a coincidence, trying to say it is, is just being delusional and argumentative for the sake of it.

Yeah, there's a reason for that, but how do you know if Sakurai never talked about it in the first place?
Rosalina is popular for being in Smash, not in Smash for being more popular than Waluigi.
Sakurai made it pretty clear he doesn't care to have Waluigi in Smash when he made that snarky Miiverse post about him.

And lol, Rosalina isn't popular because of Smash, she's in Smash because she is popular. She's far, far more popular than Waluigi, and any other non-staple, core character in the Mario franchise for that matter. Most people don't care about Waluigi because he's viewed as Wario #2 (and unlike when people call Rosalina Peach #3, there is actually basis for it because Waluigi's SOLE purpose when created was to be a partner to Wario and his personality is almost 1:1 the same as Wario's, only less fleshed out).

And we also have a Peach already.
>still being this salty over Rosalina being in Smash/Mario games over C-tier characters like Waluigi, Daisy, and Nabbit that you have to delude yourself like this
>in 2016
>mfw



Seriously, this doesn't even warrant a respectful response. Oldest one in the book.

Toad has plenty of fans and just because there are multiple of them doesn't mean everybody who has played Mario knows the guy, has plenty of roles in the Mario series and has been playable multiple times.
Captain Toad is unique any way.
Toad ranges from an accepted, given member of the cast as a side character, or hated because some people find Toads have an annoying voice and find the "Toads are useless" gag pretty old now. In terms of his legitimate fanbase, he isn't that hugely beloved or anything.

And yeah, Captain Toad is unique and I actually voted for him in the Smash Ballot, and was fairly active in his support thread. But you specifically said the generic Toads. Saying generic Toads are the same/have the same merits as Captain Toad, is like saying generic Koopas are the same/have the same merits as Bowser.
 
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tbh Dreams of an Absolution has a part that sounds a lot like Green Hill Zone, yet it was a coincidence despite making perfect sense why it would sound like Green Hill
But this is completely different.

It's very easy for fans to think music tracks from a series sound similar to other music tracks in the same series (placebo effect). Not to mention that in music, tons of songs have similar chord progression and what not, not to mention sampling is a thing. Coincidental similarities in music tracks happen all of the time.

But making a fighter animate with moves that look just like dolphin tricks to the frame, is no coincidence, and doesn't "just happen".

They even replicated the effect of a dolphin having a trail of water particles fling or splash off it's head/tail, by having Rosalina having cosmic trails with stars, and sometimes galaxies, fling off from her head/feet. There is an obvious, intentional attention to detail here.




Seriously there is no way this is a coincidence.
 
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I don't get where you're getting the idea that Rosalina has a Dolphin-based moveset
Like, there's no connection to a perverted sea mammal and a space waifu
Actually, nevermind, this sounds like a Hentai plot, found the connection
 

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I had the feeling Sakurai was avoiding him for more reasons than because "he's not fighting material" (Since characters like :4wiifit:and :4duckhunt: easily contradicts that predicament). His lack of identity despite his promotion could have been a huge roadblock for his possible inclusion in Smash in ways where you can't separate him from other Toads. Sure there's Captain Toad, but him game didn't sell that well and the "no jumping" gimmick of the game my get go over people's heads. But who's to say that creative liberties can't be done to make him more interesting.

At least these are my thoughts on the current subject.
 

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I don't get where you're getting the idea that Rosalina has a Dolphin-based moveset
Like, there's no connection to a perverted sea mammal and a space waifu
Actually, nevermind, this sounds like a Hentai plot, found the connection
Well there is that one piece of fana-...

No but seriously, the animation similarities are by no means a coincidence.

Rosalina is a dolphin lady and the cosmos is her ocean.
 

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Didn't really see anyone speaking about rosters specifically...but...

+Waluigi
+Tetra
++Dark Samus
++Ridley
+Takamaru
+Wolf
++Elma
+Inkling

Others don't care

Goku...
Liked for Grumpy Cat. She's both a ***** and adorable, like me sometimes.
 

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No, the main reason she got in was the popularity. If she wasn't popular, they would have picked another female character instead, maybe even a male one.



No he hasn't. He said the reason why Rosalina is lightweight in Smash is due to her using her gravity magic (gravitokinesis). He never commented on her moveset at all. Rosalina doesn't even use Zero Gravity in her moveset at all.

You don't need the creator to tell you everything, have some initiative. Rosalina's animations have CONSISTENT, FRAME-TO-FRAME similarities to dolphin tricks. That's not a coincidence, trying to say it is, is just being delusional and argumentative for the sake of it.



Sakurai made it pretty clear he doesn't care to have Waluigi in Smash when he made that snarky Miiverse post about him.

And lol, Rosalina isn't popular because of Smash, she's in Smash because she is popular. She's far, far more popular than Waluigi, and any other non-staple, core character in the Mario franchise for that matter. Most people don't care about Waluigi because he's viewed as Wario #2 (and unlike when people call Rosalina Peach #3, there is actually basis for it because Waluigi's SOLE purpose when created was to be a partner to Wario and his personality is almost 1:1 the same as Wario's, only less fleshed out).



>still being this salty over Rosalina being in Smash/Mario games over C-tier characters like Waluigi, Daisy, and Nabbit that you have to delude yourself like this
>in 2016
>mfw



Seriously, this doesn't even warrant a respectful response. Oldest one in the book.



Toad ranges from an accepted, given member of the cast as a side character, or hated because some people find Toads have an annoying voice and find the "Toads are useless" gag pretty old now. In terms of his legitimate fanbase, he isn't that hugely beloved or anything.

And yeah, Captain Toad is unique and I actually voted for him in the Smash Ballot, and was fairly active in his support thread. But you specifically said the generic Toads. Saying generic Toads are the same/have the same merits as Captain Toad, is like saying generic Koopas are the same/have the same merits as Bowser.
Except he literally said he wanted to bring in a female character.

http://i0.wp.com/www.sourcegaming.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Scan-Translation-3.png

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He talks about Rosalina and Luma here.
Mentions her attacks feel intergalactic and her specials have a Zero G Motif (so it's not weird to think he pulled that through in her normals

Not salty, just saying that brushing of Paper Mario as Mario #3 is like saying Rosa is Blue Petch.
Yes, Paper Mario is an incarnation of Mario but that doesn't mean he isn't unique enough or not a contender.
I liked Rosalina in MKW for being non-hyperactive in the Mario series (like, the only other characters that aren't hyperactive are both dead)

Oh and maybe it helps when I say I was talking about when the roster was decided, in which case she had "only" Galaxy under the belt.
Now she's core cast.

About Toad who, unlike Koopas, has been introduced multiple times as a unique character starting at Super Mario Bros. 2
Koopa has only had an unique version of himself in some spin-offs.
Key difference.
 

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Just something I want to note.

Rosalina, before Smash 4, had this: Galaxy's Spin in 3D World and a general cosmic theme. (edit: and the protective barrier she'd erect if you tried to hit her with a star bit)

Junior had his natural combat abilities that are similar too but more dimmunitive than his father, E.Gadd's paintbrush, and a history of mechs/ships including but not limited to the Junior Copter.
 
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Smosh's current Costumes based off of Smash Bros. Characters
:4mario::4luigi::4peach::4wario2::4gaw::4link::4zelda::4ganondorf::4zss::4fox::4falco::wolf::4pikachu::4charizard::4jigglypuff::4ness::4villager::4wiifit::4megaman::4sonic::4cloud::snake:
what character costumes do you think they should have next?
reply to anwser

Remaining ones:
:4bowser::4yoshi::rosalina::4bowserjr::4drmario::4dk::4diddy::4littlemac::4sheik::4tlink::4samus::4pit::4palutena::4darkpit::4marth::4myfriends::4robinm::4lucina::4feroy::4corrin::4duckhunt::popo::4kirby::4dedede::4metaknight::4lucario::4mewtwo::pichumelee::4greninja::4rob::4lucas::4falcon::4olimar::4shulk::4pacman::4ryu::4bayonetta:
 
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Smosh's current Costumes based off of Smash Bros. Characters
:4mario::4luigi::4peach::4wario2::4gaw::4link::4zelda::4ganondorf::4zss::4fox::4falco::wolf::4pikachu::4charizard::4jigglypuff::4ness::4villager::4wiifit::4megaman::4sonic::4cloud::snake:
what character costumes do you think they should have next?
:4corrin:
But the dragon form.
Give 'em a challenge.

Edit: SO
I gotta laugh about this "leak"
Ignoring the fire starter breaking the Zodiac thing and the grass starter looking like a Pikachu edit.
It's that new Arceus Forme.
I feel like maybe I've seen it before...
 
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Think about Color Splash, what it'd need to do to at the very least be better than Sticker Star is

-More interesting NPCs (doesn't look good so far)
-Some kind of EXP system
-A Battle system that doesnt entirely hinge on single use items and if so, don't impose such strick limits on the amounts held
-Bowser to actually say something.
-A world that at least TRIES to mix up the Grass world, Desert World, ect. routine that Mario has stagnated into.

Speaking on that last point, where did that even come from? I don't remember the second Island in Super Mario world being desert themed and Mario 3 had Giant and Pipe land.
 
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But the dragon form.
Give 'em a challenge.

Edit: SO
I gotta laugh about this "leak"
Ignoring the fire starter breaking the Zodiac thing and the grass starter looking like a Pikachu edit.
It's that new Arceus Forme.
I feel like maybe I've seen it before...
It looks like Pokemon has gone the way of Bleach. Then again, they both do like their forme changes/upgrades...
 

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What statement are you sarcastically trying to say is biased? Vagueness isn't clever.



It's not a headcanon, the similarities Rosalina's moves have to dolphin tricks are FAR too consistent and across the board to her moveset to mark as a coincidence. Sakurai may never have stated it but he made it really blatantly obvious with the way she is animated.



That's not even all of them but it gets the point across.

This is no different to how people could tell, for example, Fox's moveset was based on martial arts and Arwing functions without Sakurai saying it.

And yes, Sakurai did talk about Bowser. Jr, in a Nintendo Dream interview, and spoke about how he was almost cut.

Actually, the main reason she was included in 3D World wasn't because she was female, that was just considered a nice side effect. The main reason was because she was popular and well known, as said in the Iwata Asks.

And Rosalina is far more popular than Waluigi ever has and ever will be, lol. There's a reason why she's in Smash. Paper Mario is niche compared to Mario Galaxy, plus we already have two Marios.

Toad isn't more necessary than Rosalina because Toad mostly isn't a single character, and is mostly relegated to minor roles. He appears in a lot but is totally expendable. You could take most of his roles, replace him with Lakitu or something, and nobody would care.
why Rosalina's moveset was based off of a dolphin?
 

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But the dragon form.
Give 'em a challenge.

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I gotta laugh about this "leak"
Ignoring the fire starter breaking the Zodiac thing and the grass starter looking like a Pikachu edit.
It's that new Arceus Forme.
I feel like maybe I've seen it before...
I don't even remotely care about the zodiac when judging how legit a starter is.

All three of those are just terrible.

Once again, it looks like they were all tossed together rather than based off of any kind of actual animal. They haven't done that in Pokémon since, like, Gen 2 at the latest. At least for Starters.

And even aside from the LOLPersonaedit, why would Arceus get a Forme at this point? A Primal Reversion seems more likely.

The background Region looks familiar, too. . .
 
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Think about Color Splash, what it'd need to do to at the very least be better than Sticker Star is

-More interesting NPCs (doesn't look good so far)
-Some kind of EXP system
-A Battle system that doesnt entirely hinge on single use items and if so, don't impose such strick limits on the amounts held
-Bowser to actually say something.
-A world that at least TRIES to mix up the Grass world, Desert World, ect. routine that Mario has stagnated into.

Speaking on that last point, where did that even come from? I don't remember the second Island in Super Mario world being desert themed and Mario 3 had Giant and Pipe land.
I have bad news.
There's no EXP system. Shy guys burst out color and drop coins in the trailer(s) or EU/JP.
And it does hinge on items, but require paint to use so maybe they aren't single use... but the one block Mario hits in the trailers it gives worn hammer x3.

why Rosalina's moveset was based off of a dolphin?


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I don't even remotely care about the zodiac when judging how legit a starter is.

All three of those are just terrible.

Once again, it looks like they were all tossed together rather than based off of any kind of actual animal. They haven't done that in Pokémon since, like, Gen 2 at the latest.

And even aside from the LOLPersonaedit, why would Arceus get a Forme at this point? A Primal Reversion seems more likely.

The background Region looks familiar, too. . .
It's Sinnoh. In case you couldn't figure out why.
 
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