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Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

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So I go out, screw up driving a lot, find an adorable Mega Man plush at Gamestop, drive horribly enough that I get honked at, and then Eye of the Tiger of all things starts playing on the radio.

I guess the message I'm getting from this is that I'm a screw-up, but I'm not beyond redemption.

So, I guess my Journey Of Enlightentment: 5th Edition starts by asking this:

What makes a good Super Smash Brothers fan?
 

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So, yesterday, I commented abotut he dev commentary of Paper Jam that was doen on miiverse and thwere was one comment by the music composer that caught my attention:

Hello, I'm Yoko Shimomura. Since we were fortunate enough to have Paper Mario joining in this time, I consciously tried to go for a lighter, "poppier" feel than usual. Overall, I feel like it has the typical atmosphere of a Mario & Luigi title, but I'd be really pleased if people could detect some of those other nuances in the battle theme and the arrangement of the title theme.
source for those who didn;t see the post: https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAAADVHk3QkSgUA

Now, the gist of it is I really disagreed, the music not only didn't felt like that, but if I put dream team in comparison which was also composed by Yoko shi.....soemthing (I can;t type her name guys).....dream team feels lighter as if she tried on dt, but not on pj which is contradictory.

And she implies that she TRIED to go for that so I don;t feel she thought DT felt as much poppier while tbh, I woudl also disagree with this.

I mean, it;s so obviosu if we compare tracks of similar moods and location. Both games has a beach area that has a music reflecting the tropical environement, you have A LOT of potential to have it go happy and light and poppy like she jsut describes.

This is the DT one:


to me, it sounds happy, vivid and almost like it;s a party on the beach.

Pj in comparison:


Is more slow pace, calm and smooth. It;s not wrong by itself it actually fits the area well but I don;t think it;s poppier.

And there's a ton of exampels here's the comedy dialogs:

DT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRGxUrwXiSs

PJ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vIIyfumMIg (only the first music of the video)

They are both for the EXACT same purpose: to make dialogs feels silly weird and funny. However I think msot people woudl agree that the DT one not only fits much better, but it also sounds more crazy and happy than the pj one.

So I honestly don;t get it. did Yoko tried it and missed it? Because I just don;t feel the music are what she wanted to do. It's not I don;t like it, I just find strange that they are not what she would have wanted.

Don;t get me wrong, pj has happy music like the lakitu info center where I think it;s innovative to play with a typewritter, but it;s not getting close to DT and yet very far from Paper Mario. The Paper Mario music tends to insert weird sfx that normally are out of place, but it;s because they are out of place that the music gets a funny feel to it. PJ just didn't felt like that at all.
 
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So I go out, screw up driving a lot, find an adorable Mega Man plush at Gamestop, drive horribly enough that I get honked at, and then Eye of the Tiger of all things starts playing on the radio.

I guess the message I'm getting from this is that I'm a screw-up, but I'm not beyond redemption.

So, I guess my Journey Of Enlightentment: 5th Edition starts by asking this:

What makes a good Super Smash Brothers fan?
WAnting Viridi and Ridley for Smash
Ignoring the "muh reps" argument

Not getting too pissed off when you don't get what you want.
Allowing people to be unhappy with what they got.
Not dwelling on the bad and focusing on the good. :4cloud:
Accepting some people prefer melee to smash 4 and vice versa.
General lack of being an asshole
 

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So should Corrin/Femui return in future installments of Smash Bros?

Because right now I'm not really feeling it, his game is insanely controversial and several people are harping about it, and his inclusion in Smash Bros.

On won hand he's unique, but on the other it could leave a bad taste in people's mouths. But I want to to know what you think.
Corrin is Roy 2.0. People will grow to like him and he will return. Count on it.

A post so nice I made it twice. I blame FalKoopa FalKoopa rubbing off on me. :p
Have I become that synonymous with double posting? :laugh::urg:

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So, question.

Does anyone here think that Stealth Rock should be nerfed in future Pokemon games? I mean, am I the only one that finds it absurd that if a Pokemon like Ho-Oh switches in on it, it loses 50% of its hp?
 

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In regards to Jojo's, this is relevant.



Yoko shi.....soemthing (I can;t type her name guys).....
Shimomura (しもむら)

Japanese has a very limited set of syllables. ;)

Speaking of Yoko Shimomura, her work in Xenoblade, limited as it may be (only about 8~9 tracks or something, most credit goes to ACE+ and Manami Kiyota), is a masterpiece.

After all, this exists:
 
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People still think Roy is a bad idea?

You guys are just as bad as the Toon Link/Lucario/Ike/Falco haters.

Good thing most people like Roy.
 

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In regards to Jojo's, this is relevant.




Shimomura (しもむら)

Japanese has a very limited set of syllables. ;)

Speaking of Yoko Shimomura, her work in Xenoblade, limited as it may be (only about 8~9 tracks or something, most credit goes to ACE+ and Manami Kiyota), is a masterpiece.

After all, this exists:
I know, the quote I was saying had her name written, the problem is I can;t remember it everytime I try to type it.

It;s not as......intuitive as say Sakurai where it sounds simple.

Shimomura (I think I got it.....) I try to play it in my head and it;s like.....what? Even when i read it my head it just like.....ok so shimsoemthing and be good with it lol :)

The same happens for some username here actually :)
 

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People still think Roy is a bad idea?

You guys are just as bad as the Toon Link/Lucario/Ike/Falco haters.

Good thing most people like Roy.
I didn't see any post bashing on Roy. :confused:

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And speaking of Yoko Shimomura, she's my favourite VGM composer, barring ZUN and Koji Kondo. Her work on Kingdom Hearts and Mario & Luigi is phenomenal. Just listen to any battle theme. They're insanely catchy.

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Y'all talking about Yoko Shimonura, the Goddess of video game composers.

The one Shimonura who makes Uematsu, Yu Shuzuki and Kondo look like jokers and plebs

The one Shimonura who composed the greatest fighting game soundtrack of all time:


She's the best
 
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People still think Roy is a bad idea?

You guys are just as bad as the Toon Link/Lucario/Ike/Falco haters.

Good thing most people like Roy.
I'm sorry if I want a much better character(as in, character, not fighter) that will never be in because of him

When modding comes out, I'll make sure you get your well deserved spot, my love
 

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Hiroyuki Sawano is still among my top composers ever, though.

Yasunori Mitsuda, Yoko Shimomura and Motoi Sakuraba are also very amazing artists.

Koji Kondo and Nobuo Uematsu are also great, but I don't feel they're as great as people make them out to be. Art is subjective, after all.

Y'all talking about Yoko Shimonura, the Goddess of video game composers.

The one Shimonura who makes Uematsu, Yu Shuzuki and Kondo look like jokers and plebs

The one Shimonura who composed the greatest fighting game soundtrack of all time:


She's the best
Guile's Theme is also Yoko Shimomura's work.


She is amazing.
 

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Another composer I like a lot: Taku Iwasaki.

He did the OSTs for Soul Eater, Gurren Lagann and Noragami. Of those three soundtracks, my least favorite is actually Gurren Lagann's. Noragami's OST is plain awesome, though.
 

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Robin is sorta guaranteed a spot in the roster because of how insanely popular Awakening was.
Not really.

Realistically we'll probably see a couple of 3DS/Wii U newcomers get cut in the next new Smash game. They could always leave Robin out and keep Lucina, (who would take a lot less time to bring back) that way they still have a character from Awakening.

Lucina is generally more popular than Robin anyway, so I don't think Robin's exclusion would be any worse than say Mewtwo's.
 

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Hiroyuki Sawano is still among my top composers ever, though.

Yasunori Mitsuda, Yoko Shimomura and Motoi Sakuraba are also very amazing artists.

Koji Kondo and Nobuo Uematsu are also great, but I don't feel they're as great as people make them out to be. Art is subjective, after all.


Guile's Theme is also Yoko Shimomura's work.


She is amazing.
Guile's Theme is great but Ryu's Theme, Bison's Theme, Balrog's Theme and Chun-Li's Theme are God-Like. Especially in CSP-1 mode.
 

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Can someone please explain what the heck is a JoJo I keep seeing here? Not bothered to research myself. Please Understand.
People still think Roy is a bad idea?

You guys are just as bad as the Toon Link/Lucario/Ike/Falco haters.

Good thing most people like Roy.
Imo, not in this day and age. His time has passed.
 

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People still think Roy is a bad idea?

You guys are just as bad as the Toon Link/Lucario/Ike/Falco haters.

Good thing most people like Roy.
Add Paper Mario here too :)

I didn't see any post bashing on Roy. :confused:

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And speaking of Yoko Shimomura, she's my favourite VGM composer, barring ZUN and Koji Kondo. Her work on Kingdom Hearts and Mario & Luigi is phenomenal. Just listen to any battle theme. They're insanely catchy.

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It's really polar opposite to me, I tend to not like the music tbh. not only i just don;t feel carried by a lot of music (only some music so partially), but if I compare to other style of music IO heard, they get me a lot more. I mean I could write an essay to why I just tend to like more style like Paper Mario and kinda not like the m&l style.

What i don;t get is when she says she tried something that I don;t see how she succeeded to do it. That kinda makes me like the music less because it means I don't see them how she intended that I see them....aka it sounds a bit more messed up as what the music should do to me.

The gist of why i dont; like her style is that a lot of the music she does is very complicated orchestra and tbh, the feel they have int he music just isn;t as prominent as the complexity is. Of course there';s exceptions like in DT, a lot of simple music has strong feel, but the main theme she does like battle themes, they mostly are like that. The complexity doesn;t worth the feel to it and it;s honestly what i care the most in music.

i can give tons of examples, the superstar saga battle theme, very simple, but VERY prominent in how catchy it is, that;s the music I tend to like a lot.

Pokemon x/y ost, VERY complex to the point where I need my open back headphones to enjoy them, but they feel so good and innovative it;s worth it.

The extreme that I tend to really like is 8bit inspired music, the lavender town original music from pokemon is REALLY simple, you can';t get more simple than beeps and noise, but the feel to it is like......it makes you react a lot which is genius.

It's like, my philosophy with complexity in music is if you make it complex, make the feel also complex to compensate because if a music is complex for not much reasons then it feels it drags on a bit.

And how it happens with Paper jam is jsut that, the battle theme is jsut too complex for a very little bit of catchy. Either make the feel more present or simplify the track would've fixed it for me, but as is, i don;t tend to like it and actually forget it in minutes.....

I don't know, but if she really tried to have a more happier or paper mario feel to it, she failed because I still think dt was better in what i just described and we are far away from how Paper Mario has that thing that it;s very very simple, but works so well.
 

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aldelaro5 aldelaro5 needs to listen to some of Hiroyuki Sawano's work to know the meaning of "godly music".

Ah, and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure truly lives up to its title. Bizarre, indeed.
 

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aldelaro5 aldelaro5 needs to listen to some of Hiroyuki Sawano's work to know the meaning of "godly music".

Ah, and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure truly lives up to its title. Bizarre, indeed.
Link me to some good music and I;'ll see after.

Like the thing about music is I noticed I tend to like classical a lot. It is what i just described, it;s very simple when you hear it because the notes sounds clear, but the melody is so complex that it;s impressive.

Like to me, it;s more an aesthetic vs meaning. I am all for having aesthetic as long as it has a meaning that justify that. and of course, I am all for the most meaning in the least aesthetic like 8bit for example, it;s very bad aesthetically because it;s just beeps to your ears, but if you make it so the meaning is good, I will instantly forget it;s just beeps.
 

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o we now need some incest representation :troll:
Erika x Ephiram otp

Celebrate diversity, boy and girls. It is clearly our greatest strength.

People still think Roy is a bad idea?

You guys are just as bad as the Toon Link/Lucario/Ike/Falco haters.

Good thing most people like Roy.
The only reason Roy really has any popularity was because of Melee. Otherwise, I imagine he'd be like Seliph or Sigurd in regards to likelihood as a Smash fighter. Not sure what Japan thinks.
This has nothing to do with whether I personally like Roy though. (I don't mind him)

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:jigglypuff64: stayed.
:gawmelee::ganondorfmelee: stayed.
:rob: stayed.
:4corrin:'s got a fairly safe seat to return, imo.
:4jigglypuff:: Was still extremely popular in Japan and still had anime presence around Melee. Thus, still relevant. Not to mention she's easy to make in comparison to other characters.
:4gaw::4rob:: Only argument I can find for these two is that they weren't relevant around Brawl/ Smash 4... but if that mattered, they wouldn't have been in Smash to begin with.
:4ganondorf:: Was most likely planned to have brought back in his own series anyways (Space World Demo says hi). Also was amongst the most requested characters for Melee.
Another thing these characters have in common that Corrin lacks was the fact that with the previous games' rosters, there were fewer characters to bring back, thus making it easier to bring everyone back. And we all know that Sakurai will try to bring mostly everyone back in the end. (RIP :pichumelee::younglinkmelee:)
They were in entirely different scenarios from Corrin, regardless if they were hate like him.

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:4jigglypuff:: Was still extremely popular in Japan and still had anime presence around Melee. Thus, still relevant. Not to mention she's easy to make in comparison to other characters.
:4gaw::4rob:: Only argument I can find for these two is that they weren't relevant around Brawl/ Smash 4... but if that mattered, they wouldn't have been in Smash to begin with.
:4ganondorf:: Was most likely planned to have brought back in his own series anyways (Space World Demo says hi). Also was amongst the most requested characters for Melee.
Another thing these characters have in common that Corrin lacks was the fact that with the previous games' rosters, there were fewer characters to bring back, thus making it easier to bring everyone back. And we all know that Sakurai will try to bring mostly everyone back in the end. (RIP :pichumelee::younglinkmelee:)
They were in entirely different scenarios from Corrin, regardless if they were hate like him.

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The original case was that it was the "Hatedom" for him that would be the cause for him to be cut.
Which I was just citing a few similar matters on that.
 

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Best Clap Ever. So sarcastically sassy XD.
Am I the only one who doesn't see any sass or sarcasm?

It just looks like she's plainly clapping to me.

Cloud is the only one I can think of that comes off as sarcastic when he claps.
 

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I think the most that might happen to characters like Corrin is that he might be a little lower in priority if his vocal hatebase is really that much of an issue. But overall, he'll probably come back if if he starts to gain some fans after people get to try him out.
 
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Am I the only one who doesn't see any sass or sarcasm?

It just looks like she's plainly clapping to me.

Cloud is the only one I can think of that comes off as sarcastic when he claps.
it;s the speed she does that, it makes it look like she is not sincere at all.

Normally, a person would clap much much faster if he or she was sincere about it.
 
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Yes.
Maybe I was in the wrong circles but I remember there being a LOT of Salt about ROB and Wolf being the last characters to be known.
ROB received a lot of hate for that reason
Since he was the last character, people perceuved him as if he had "stolen" the last "slot"
Corrin is seen in the same way
Also, I remember a lot of people thinking ROB was going to be cut and it was pure hate bias(like those who thought Lucario and Ike were going to be cut)
Am I the only one who doesn't see any sass or sarcasm?

It just looks like she's plainly clapping to me.

Cloud is the only one I can think of that comes off as sarcastic when he claps.
I don't see it either
Dunno about Cloud cause I don't have him yet
And I have never been able to beat one either
 

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it;s the speed she does that, it makes it look like she is not sincere at all.

Normally, a person would clap much much faster if he or she was sincere about it.
That GIF is slowed down though. This is the actual pace of it.



And a bunch of characters clap at that pace.

It just comes across as her being elegant and womanly more than anything.
 

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Am I the only one who doesn't see any sass or sarcasm?

It just looks like she's plainly clapping to me.

Cloud is the only one I can think of that comes off as sarcastic when he claps.
It's more obvious in 3+ player smash.
 
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