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[#HBC | Laundry]

Willing to off Ruy for just sitting there. His only post only contains a vote.

Vote Ruy

solid point

vote ruy

 

[Dooms]

his point is that you're adding a lot of qualifiers to your vote. It makes it sound like you're trying too hard to justify advocating a lynch on somebody, just in case anyone decides to take you seriously. It's like you're tiptoeing around your RVS vote, which is odd behavior.

"qualifiers"

neither of those things change anything about my post. They're acronyms that literally mean nothing when it comes to lynching mafia. "To be honest, in my opinion this guy is scum" versus "this guy is scum". They're statements that have exactly the same purpose behind them: to get your opinion across. Neither acronym shows any sign of trying too hard because the point of my post would be the same except for the fact that there would be two acronyms missing.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

If they mean the same thing, then why include the qualifiers? It would convey the same information, right?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryker - Tell me about Joey's voting patterns from the past page, what do you make of them?

Gheb - Want me on Joker right now? If not wanna join me on Joey?

Laundry - Same thing I asked Ryker.

Gorf - We gonna rumble and tumble this game or you actually gonna work with me this time? I promise not to do something ******** but you gotta work with me.

Joey - I need you to explain the vote switch to me a bit, I feel as though it's not RVS to some extent. Can you tell me to some extent why you switched to me? Let fight though, no jigglypuffs allowed though.

Jim Morrison - Long time no see? How you been? Wanna vote Joey with me?

Red Ryu -

Vote: Joey

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb - Want me on Joker right now? If not wanna join me on Joey?

Not seeing how either option is a particularly good one. Explain?

 

[Dooms]

If they mean the same thing, then why include the qualifiers? It would convey the same information, right?

It conveys the exact same information, making it personal preference. If Ryker were to vote me back saying the exact same thing I did without IMO or TBH, it would come across as the same thing. His post wouldn't be considered to be more or less serious than mine, and the thought process behind it wouldn't be different. : D

Joey - I need you to explain the vote switch to me a bit, I feel as though it's not RVS to some extent. Can you tell me to some extent why you switched to me? Let fight though, no jigglypuffs allowed though.

It's more-so stating that I'm going to be attempting to change my play up this game, so considering that you know how to meta read me so well compared to everyone else, my goal is to make it where you question my play when compared to my meta. That's what I mean by fight. The vote was because Ryker is considered to be V/LA, so I just moved my vote with my statement. The vote itself is RVS, but the statement behind it is something I am legitimately trying this game.

Also, to see how people reacted to a vote switch, but honestly I feel that more people are reacting to what Xonar said about me than my vote on you.

Unvote

Yeah my vote is useless on you since I said that lmao.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf - We gonna rumble and tumble this game or you actually gonna work with me this time? I promise not to do something ******** but you gotta work with me.

unvote

vote ruy

 

[Jim Morrison]

Jim Morrison - Long time no see? How you been? Wanna vote Joey with me?

Hi, been great, it's been a while since I played mafia.
Yeah, I'll vote Joey with you after his latest post. I don't like it. I already didn't like him stating he'd be okay with Ryker lynched, and now he says it was to switch up his meta with lols and smileys. Luckily I know no one here and don't play meta so I'm just gonna look at it as I see it.

Ryker - Tell me about Joey's voting patterns from the past page, what do you make of them?

Just wondering, are you all looking for meta reads on people?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Right I should actually vote then

unvote
vote: Joey

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Not seeing how either option is a particularly good one. Explain?

You got something better? Wanna help search for something better on one front or another? This is what I am offering.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It conveys the exact same information, making it personal preference. If Ryker were to vote me back saying the exact same thing I did without IMO or TBH, it would come across as the same thing. His post wouldn't be considered to be more or less serious than mine, and the thought process behind it wouldn't be different. : D



It's more-so stating that I'm going to be attempting to change my play up this game, so considering that you know how to meta read me so well compared to everyone else, my goal is to make it where you question my play when compared to my meta. That's what I mean by fight. The vote was because Ryker is considered to be V/LA, so I just moved my vote with my statement. The vote itself is RVS, but the statement behind it is something I am legitimately trying this game.

Also, to see how people reacted to a vote switch, but honestly I feel that more people are reacting to what Xonar said about me than my vote on you.

Unvote

Yeah my vote is useless on you since I said that lmao.

Do you feel unvoting me is better, given the votes on me as is? Or do you want to start another direction? The game is still young, so I want to ask where you think we should given how people are reacting to you and me right now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

unvote

vote ruy

Give me words, not a vote.

This does not help you.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hi, been great, it's been a while since I played mafia.
Yeah, I'll vote Joey with you after his latest post. I don't like it. I already didn't like him stating he'd be okay with Ryker lynched, and now he says it was to switch up his meta with lols and smileys. Luckily I know no one here and don't play meta so I'm just gonna look at it as I see it.


Just wondering, are you all looking for meta reads on people?

I wanna talk to Joey more but your vote on him is very much welcomed.

I'm just looking for ways to read into players any way I can.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, I'll vote Joey with you after his latest post. I don't like it. [...]
Luckily I know no one here and don't play meta so I'm just gonna look at it as I see it.

It would be kinda helpful if you actually told us what it is you're seeing though. As far as I can see the only thing that Joey has actually said is that he intentionally plays against his perceived meta. But since meta isn't what made you vote him I wonder what it is.

You got something better? Wanna help search for something better on one front or another? This is what I am offering.

Anything is better than random wagons in JR imo.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hi, been great, it's been a while since I played mafia.
Yeah, I'll vote Joey with you after his latest post. I don't like it. I already didn't like him stating he'd be okay with Ryker lynched, and now he says it was to switch up his meta with lols and smileys. Luckily I know no one here and don't play meta so I'm just gonna look at it as I see it.


Just wondering, are you all looking for meta reads on people?

Going back to this, what in particular is bothering you about Joey? can you expand on this?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

It would be kinda helpful if you actually told us what it is you're seeing though. As far as I can see the only thing that Joey has actually said is that he intentionally plays against his perceived meta. But since meta isn't what made you vote him I wonder what it is.



Anything is better than random wagons in JR imo.

Then we make content to push the game forward.

Voting Joey does this.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Give me words, not a vote.

This does not help you.

i have a posting restriction which tells me i am only allowed to use commands like votes and request votecounts, and quote things

oh and that was a joke

unvote

vote joey

 

[Dooms]

Hi, been great, it's been a while since I played mafia.
Yeah, I'll vote Joey with you after his latest post. I don't like it. I already didn't like him stating he'd be okay with Ryker lynched, and now he says it was to switch up his meta with lols and smileys. Luckily I know no one here and don't play meta so I'm just gonna look at it as I see it.


Just wondering, are you all looking for meta reads on people?

I never said I was voting Ryker to switch up my meta. I was voting Ryker because he told me that he wanted to work on modifying his play style a bit, so I voted him saying that I wouldn't let him do that. Not related to my meta at all. Although it'd be a little hard to get that when he's V/LA and couldn't respond to it (or chose not to).

Why are you asking if people are looking for meta reads?

Do you feel unvoting me is better, given the votes on me as is? Or do you want to start another direction? The game is still young, so I want to ask where you think we should given how people are reacting to you and me right now.

I don't have anywhere to put my vote. Throwing around my vote without any reasoning behind it is weird. I've tried that twice already and I don't like it. I'd much rather ask and answer questions without throwing my vote around randomly.

If I HAD to vote or push anywhere, tbh it'd be PJB. He's trying to make a text flavor debate into a town vs scum debate, which is weird. It's no where near worth a push though, probably just contrasting opinions.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Imo, you're just afraid to throw down with me, tbh

 

[Dooms]

Imo, you're just afraid to throw down with me, tbh

Oh okay.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I never said I was voting Ryker to switch up my meta. I was voting Ryker because he told me that he wanted to work on modifying his play style a bit, so I voted him saying that I wouldn't let him do that. Not related to my meta at all. Although it'd be a little hard to get that when he's V/LA and couldn't respond to it (or chose not to).

I missed this completely. I just remember seeing the unvote when you took it off me. As far as my personal goals for mafia at the moment go, you should likely ignore them as I'm not trying to change anything so drastic that it should change the way people read me.

Vote Joker again. Ruy can live. Someone tell me if I need to reread and Joker has actually contributed something of value.

 

[Dooms]

I missed this completely. I just remember seeing the unvote when you took it off me. As far as my personal goals for mafia at the moment go, you should likely ignore them as I'm not trying to change anything so drastic that it should change the way people read me.

Vote Joker again. Ruy can live. Someone tell me if I need to reread and Joker has actually contributed something of value.

But you're changing so I have to lynch you! I thought this was how it worked!

 

[Dooms]

Gorf, why are you avoiding confrontation with Ryu?

Gheb, why no random wagons in Jungle Republic specifically?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So THAAAAAAT'S what JR stands for. I'm dumb.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, why no random wagons in Jungle Republic specifically?

Too much scum on Day 1 for wagons to really work imo. It's too easy to pull the "scum is on my wagon"-card and get away with it because there's no real counter-argument to that. On Day 1 a wagon without a scumbag on it is statistically so unlikely that realistically you always have to assume one to be on anything with more than 3 votes. It's hard to even consider that legit "pressure", which is the only thing an early wagon can achieve in the first place. JR is about connections more than any other setups. Deducing voting patterns will be much more fruitful than hoping that your wagon won't get derailed by a gang of fraudulent non-townies.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

EBWOP: Which is why this is a very good question that I'd also like to see answered asap:

Gorf, why are you avoiding confrontation with Ryu?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Gorf, why are you avoiding confrontation with Ryu?

unvote

vote ruy

 

[Dooms]

unvote

vote ruy

...

Gorf bae pls no

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

...

Gorf bae pls no

i have a posting restriction which tells me i am only allowed to use commands like votes and request votecounts, and quote things

 

[Dooms]

Why were you allowed to post saying you had a restriction, then?

If you could do that, then why can't you quote my post and actually respond to it?

 

[Jim Morrison]

It would be kinda helpful if you actually told us what it is you're seeing though. As far as I can see the only thing that Joey has actually said is that he intentionally plays against his perceived meta. But since meta isn't what made you vote him I wonder what it is.

The fact that he is playing against it is what's weird. I just can't see how that connects to voting Ryker who was away because of computer problems. Unless it was a random vote, but from the posts about I'm gathering it wasn't. And Ryu asked me nicely!

 

[Jim Morrison]

I never said I was voting Ryker to switch up my meta. I was voting Ryker because he told me that he wanted to work on modifying his play style a bit, so I voted him saying that I wouldn't let him do that. Not related to my meta at all. Although it'd be a little hard to get that when he's V/LA and couldn't respond to it (or chose not to).

Why are you asking if people are looking for meta reads?

Well, I should get back into the habit of reading the whole thread before responding again. This makes things more clear.

No idea, I just asked because I wanted to know if he was doing meta reads on people or not.

 

[Dooms]

I honestly think that you're lying because of the fact that town

Well, I should get back into the habit of reading the whole thread before responding again. This makes things more clear.

No idea, I just asked because I wanted to know if he was doing meta reads on people or not.

No you're fine it's my fault. The whole Ryker changing thing was a semi-inside joke not really stated in thread, so that was on me.

I believe Gorf is lying about having a posting restriction. I just don't see town having a posting restriction when 1 mislynch + 1 night kill puts town as a vocal equal to scum when all 7 of us are vocal (worst case scenario). I can't imagine us only having 4 vocal townies after one night if we mislynch day one and werewolves kill town.

 

[Dooms]

EBWOP: That whole first line thing shouldn't be there. It was before I saw Jim Morrison's reply.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why were you allowed to post saying you had a restriction, then?

If you could do that, then why can't you quote my post and actually respond to it?

Because he's lying. It's an open set-up. Unless there is a post where it says that there is hidden information in the set-up, he's lying. For the record, my role is exactly as advertised.

Conclusion on Gheb's slot in a couple minutes pending looking at why this theory craft came up. I need to find why he said no wagons in JR rather than just responding to Joey's post.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I honestly think that you're lying because of the fact that town


No you're fine it's my fault. The whole Ryker changing thing was a semi-inside joke not really stated in thread, so that was on me.

I believe Gorf is lying about having a posting restriction. I just don't see town having a posting restriction when 1 mislynch + 1 night kill puts town as a vocal equal to scum when all 7 of us are vocal (worst case scenario). I can't imagine us only having 4 vocal townies after one night if we mislynch day one and werewolves kill town.

Variations of Jungle Republic do exist because of how simple it is for town to recover from being put on equal footing.They and the WW kill a goon and the WW EVER night kill a goon and you're back in the lead.

No, he's lying because this is not a variant JR set-up. What will you do about it? What do you think of Gheb discouraging wagons?

@ Jim Morrison same questions.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Oh, Gheb's post was in response to Ruy and then Joey picked up the obvious line of questions.

@ ~ Gheb ~ Who would you be willing to see go at this point? What sticks out about them. There's enough information at this point to give me something.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Why were you allowed to post saying you had a restriction, then?

If you could do that, then why can't you quote my post and actually respond to it?

it

was

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to

post

that

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Even beyond the fact that Gorf doesn't have a posting restriction, I doubt Nabe would be dumb or hateful enough to create a posting restriction so easily averted with the only penalty of being annoying to read and post in.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Gorf, the freaking setup is open, stop claiming to have roles that don't exist.