Super Smash Bros. Sterilized aka "The End of Smash" "Wii Sports: SSB" "SSB goes Pop"

[Terrorcon Blot]

Most of you are way too optimistic regarding this game. It's a little cultish, actually. There is little to feel comfortable about, based on the demo.

"Oh, but there will be depth!! Remember, Master Sakurai is at the helm!"
"Time!! Just wait and you will be convinced!!"

Perhaps, but it's still nothing more than fanboy-speak. As of now it doesn't look that way. It might be better if some of you took a more balanced approach to what Nintendo feeds you from now on, somewhere between me and frothing aficionado.

The hype is setting all of you up for BIG disappointment.

Yes, but people are also being way too pessimistic about it. "Oh no, a technique which we didn't even know or CARE about when Melee first came out is gone!

I'm not saying you aren't allowed to speculate. But a lot of you people are being Chicken Little because Brawl isn't 100% identical to Melee.

 

[Phillip Chanter]

Most of you are way too optimistic regarding this game. It's a little cultish, actually. There is little to feel comfortable about, based on the demo.

"Oh, but there will be depth!! Remember, Master Sakurai is at the helm!"
"Time!! Just wait and you will be convinced!!"

Perhaps, but it's still nothing more than fanboy-speak. As of now it doesn't look that way. It might be better if some of you took a more balanced approach to what Nintendo feeds you from now on, somewhere between me and frothing aficionado.

The hype is setting all of you up for BIG disappointment.

Actually, for me, with how the last two games were played, I think Brawl might be a breath of fresh air for this already fun fighting series. Course that's just my opinion, not everybody is suppose to like the game (ex: Mew2King and Dylan Tnga).

 

[Masterem243]

If you don't like Brawl, you don't have to buy it!!

 

[Bocom]

How dare you compare Brawl to Wii Sports?! It's COMPLETELY different. -_-

If people believe NOW that Melee > Brawl, then GTFO and stay away from the Brawl forum!

 

[Zink]

Most of you are way too optimistic regarding this game. It's a little cultish, actually. There is little to feel comfortable about, based on the demo.

"Oh, but there will be depth!! Remember, Master Sakurai is at the helm!"
"Time!! Just wait and you will be convinced!!"

Perhaps, but it's still nothing more than fanboy-speak. As of now it doesn't look that way. It might be better if some of you took a more balanced approach to what Nintendo feeds you from now on, somewhere between me and frothing aficionado.

The hype is setting all of you up for BIG disappointment.

What are you talking about? There is ZERO evidence to indicate anything but a fine fighter. There's no reason to believe it isn't viable competitively at all.

 

[Makkers]

Most of you are way too optimistic regarding this game. It's a little cultish, actually. There is little to feel comfortable about, based on the demo.

"Oh, but there will be depth!! Remember, Master Sakurai is at the helm!"
"Time!! Just wait and you will be convinced!!"

Perhaps, but it's still nothing more than fanboy-speak. As of now it doesn't look that way. It might be better if some of you took a more balanced approach to what Nintendo feeds you from now on, somewhere between me and frothing aficionado.

The hype is setting all of you up for BIG disappointment.

Ladies and gentlemen, here we have a pessimist that will always come to the conclusion that Brawl will suck. Nothing you can say or do will change his mind, even if he played the game himself while everybody will declare that it's a great game. "I told you so," he will say, "I told you the game is skill-less and dry. The competitive scene will surely crumble if this is their new game of choice!" when he is five minutes into the game, unable to decide if he will go straight to multiplayer or Subspace Emissary. It is what pessimist do best, complain and complain without fail because pessimists are incapable of positive thought, preferring that everybody shared their dim, dim view.

Well, that's enough of that. Reading what I wrote, I felt like I just participated in the creation of a children's book...

Anyways, the most intelligent way to approach the Brawl issue is to *gasp* play the game. Coming to an ultimate conclusion based on the words of somebody else is in the same league of fanboyish. To call the kettle black is not wise, Mr. Pot.

 

[veil222]

The original poster is spot on. Brawl has no advanced techniques or depth of any kind at all. In fact, Pong has greater depth then Brawl.

In fact, you're an air head who loves to watch himself post while simultaniously adding NOTHING to the thread. No one needs to know that you agree with the origonal post, we *MIGHT* be interested as to why if, as I said, you had actually ADDED something to the thread.

The removal of it is counterproductive and does not serve a particular purpose.

It's removal has already created openings for other techs, you're acting like they're removing wavedash and ADDING NOTHING.

Most of you are way too optimistic regarding this game. It's a little cultish, actually. There is little to feel comfortable about, based on the demo.

Perhaps, but it's still nothing more than fanboy-speak. As of now it doesn't look that way. It might be better if some of you took a more balanced approach to what Nintendo feeds you from now on, somewhere between me and frothing aficionado.

The hype is setting all of you up for BIG disappointment.

There's no consoleing you obviously, but really, if you're going to cling to you're idea like this.... don't call *us* the fanbois, go play melee, and rant about this in one of the fifty other threads THAT ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THIS. This whole thing is sheer effing opinion, so stop treating us like half ******** monkies for having ours, and we may stop thinking you're a ***** for pushing yours like it's the effing gospel.

 

[Michael Blaine]

Valid points. That's definitely reasonable.

 

[veil222]

Thanks, I understnad where you're coming from, I just don't agree with it. Since it's opinion on either side, we're not gonna get anywhere unless something is announced that totally breaks the game, some on the scale of "all characters now weight the same" or "Ike now kills in one hit with all his moves"

 

[Michael Blaine]

I'm not actually concerned about the balance. It will be decent, I'm sure. Still, this is entirely unlike ssb64 and melee, in that they're now aiming at non-gamers as well. Hence the babyfied appearance of it all, and I doubt we've seen the extent of it. Smash has gone pop.

 

[5150]

i agree with op. this game is going to suck and if you think it will be good you are simply a fanboy sucking on sakurai's ****

 

[Tobi-]

i agree with op. this game is going to suck and if you think it will be good you are simply a fanboy sucking on sakurai's ****

He gave reasons atleast to what he thought of. But to say we are all fanboy's for liking the process of the game thus far is ignorant. I'm aware theres always a small percentage who don't like the transition. Same as if it were Super Smash bros 64, and it was going into Melee, There was that small percentage that said melee was/is going to suck. Of course I played it, Loved it.

But to not even give it a chance? Eh suit yourself. Don't know what your missing.

 

[billywill]

y would u even think this game will suck...BRAWL WILL BE THE BEST GAME OF THE YEAR 2008...and i bet all u haters will love brawl and play it constantly

 

[Makkers]

I'm not actually concerned about the balance. It will be decent, I'm sure. Still, this is entirely unlike ssb64 and melee, in that they're now aiming at non-gamers as well. Hence the babyfied appearance of it all, and I doubt we've seen the extent of it. Smash has gone pop.

Newsflash: Nintendo never set out to make Smash a serious fighting game, just a party game hybrid with fan service sprinkled into the mix. To think otherwise is the sign of a delusional person.

Also, you seem to be misinformed what a "non-gamer" is. They are the people that anticipate "Wii Fit", not Smash Bros Brawl. If Nintendo wanted to make a fighting game for non-gamers, it'd have the depth of Wii Boxing and not take two years of development.

Use logic, k?

 

[Tobi-]

y would u even think this game will suck...BRAWL WILL BE THE BEST GAME OF THE YEAR 2008...and i bet all u haters will love brawl and play it constantly

Nah there will be some who dislike it. There's always those perfectionist spoiled people out there who can't adapt or find something wrong with it and choose to hate it.

If they still hate it and played it, well..There's nothing we can really do for them except say I hope you'll enjoy your other games. Byebye.

 

[veil222]

It will be decent, I'm sure. .

i agree with op. this game is going to suck and if you think it will be good you are simply a fanboy sucking on sakurai's ****

Even the creator of the topic (which is negative) think it at least has potential to be okay, you're just in love with your own opinion and will thusly be ignored.

As for the pop thing, I can see why you say that, and how you think it could (or has) ruined the game. Look at pokemon, if it hadn't been marketed to kids who knows how huge it would be, more so than it is. I don't think that's what's going on though, I think they've undergone the VERY difficult task of having BOTH appeal to newcomers in the form of popular and pretty ideas, and veteran appeal by trying to re-balance the game from the ground up. Of course with all those variables it's easy to get something wrong, which is why I don't mind the new release date. They're more likely to please both crowds with a balance of new appeal, and new depth.

 

[Makkers]

i agree with op. this game is going to suck and if you think it will be good you are simply a fanboy sucking on sakurai's ****

Maybe the people who think otherwise might be the same people that are taking a "wait and see" approach? Then again, why should people think logically? We should judge things before they get a chance to prove themselves! That's what smart people do, am I right?

 

[Michael Blaine]

I can agree with that. Nice post. Question: what are your feelings on the subspace emissary demos?

 

[G&Wismyhomeboy]

You know what also is going to be terrible? Indiana Jones 4.

Indiana Jones Sterilized aka "The End of Indy" "Muppets Indiana Jones" "Indiana goes Pop"

Older Harrison Ford
In color...wow intense.
Auto surround sound
Everyone drinking from the Holy Grail
Temple of Doom
The general appearance of Indiana Jones
The music
Awkward trailers
The abomination that is Harrison Ford
Indy hates snakes

These are just some of the things that set off red flags for me. Everything about this movie reeks with the stench of a Star Wars prequel. The music is phony, the marketing of this movie is phony, the Spielberg reps and their cheerleaders are phony. Harrison Ford looks extremely awkward with the other movies having him much younger. It's over. A critical and financial success, a casual phenomenon, but a competitive failure. That's how this movie will be described two years from now. Promise.

Proceed.

 

[Michael Blaine]

I was going to agree with the guy, but he's just so ****ing stupid.

Well, ignoring my stupidity, what was it you agreed with? I respect your opinion.

 

[veil222]

Personally I love the SE stuff, I always wanted a better adventure mode that made me feel less like I was drudging through extra crap to get to the fights. And I'm going ot love co-op mode, I have alot of friends that aren't serious players who will love co-op'ing with me. Plus the sotry doesn't seem bad at all, usually fighters are like pornos, the story just gets in the way of action. Not the case here, I'm interested to see what happens to the characters.

 

[Dark Shard]

Okay, there is one reason why this thread is fail. Which can be corrected. :D

Without insulting anyone, Blaine here I believe has the right to state his observations, even though they are the same we have heard annoyingly thousands of times. We also don't have to care.

But dude, blaine, instead of forcing your clever use of song parady and slightly enhanced vocabulary, post more evidence. Seriously.

Instead of congratulating us for having counter arguments, saying Brawl is so and so, and having debates with all of us about really nothing, talk more about WHY you think said game is bad.

You started this way on the front post, but after they were countered, you stopped. Why do you think you know how good a sequel is by a group of random fans with wiimotes and gameplay videos. Can you summarize the depth of Melee with the first demo ever played and a trailer? I'm not even saying you can't, I'm just saying how dam it, how! Give us evidence!!

 

[Red_Maniac]

It is the end of Smash. At least, the Smash we know of.

Don't judge Brawl until you play it yourself.

Change can be good sometimes.

 

[The Dead Horse]

Can you guys please stop beating me?

 

[Red_Maniac]

Did you create an account for the sole purpose of making that joke?

Making a bunch of "beating the dead horse" jokes is the equivalent of beating a dead horse.

 

[Doggalina]

Hmm, should I believe Michael Blaine, who says that Brawl sucks and hasn't played it, or GimpyFish, who says that Brawl is freaking fun and has played it? Gimpy wins.

 

[Fault]

Yes, assuming Melee tournaments go by the wayside once Brawl comes out, then Smash as we know it is over. Much like how Smash Bros. Melee was much different than Smash Bros. (in fact, I felt cheated and betrayed for much of my first match in Melee), Brawl is different as well.

Let's stop for a moment and assume that there are no advanced techniques. There's no secret trick that you know that someone who just looked over the controls doesn't know. The game comes down then to timing, judgment, and ability, on an even playing field. Doesn't that make for real competition?

 

[FalconPunch]

Can you guys please stop beating me?

L0L, man! L0L

 

[Red Exodus]

This thread the equivalent of dropping a white dude in the middle of a ghetto with a sign in his hand that says "What is up my n****s".

Good luck getting away from the optimistic fanboys Michael.

 

[mezbomber]

Let's stop for a moment and assume that there are no advanced techniques. There's no secret trick that you know that someone who just looked over the controls doesn't know. The game comes down then to timing, judgment, and ability, on an even playing field. Doesn't that make for real competition?

interesting... even playing field. What if there is nothing to exploit? What if everyone knows the same things? Timing, judgement, ability = metagame. I often think that's the only "advanced technique" there is. And, yes, I believe that does make for the best competition. After all, the removal of items, banning stages...what's it for? To eliminate variables, and make the match decision come down to pure ability.

Sure, WDing and the L-cancel counts for ability... but before I knew about them, I don't feel I was a worse player, I just didn't happen to go to the right places on the internet to know they existed. When I figured it out, I embraced these things and practiced, and upped my game. In my situation I was what some would call a "scrub"...but not because of my ability, because of my internet prowess. That kind of disadvantage almost seems as variable as exploding crates and capsules.

 

[axemangx]

Wow. You werent the only one who thought the beginning of Snake's music was totally not like Pirates of the Carrabian.

 

[Lant]

The music, specifically the Snake track lifted directly from that pirate movie

Er.. actually that's the MGS theme composed by HGW, and remixed.

Begone, pester me not.

Unless, of course, you mean the MGS4 theme, which, if you had eyes, you would've seen, Composition Supervisor: Nobuko Toda
Arrangement Supervisor: Akihiro Honda

Assuming you mean POTC, it sounds as much like it as you sound like a ****.

 

[SkyeYuki]

Is this board able to get even more negative, or has it already reached its limits?

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Who wants a huge bag of repeat advanced tactics? If anything, I am glad that they made all those tactics easy. That means we can focus on learning new tactics that are difficult.

 

[hypeman]

Well all that matters is that I'm know me and my friends are going to have fun playing this game and that is all that matters. I personally don't care what someone else thinks because not everyone likes the same thing.

 

[Shiny Ivysaur]

The thing is the inclusion of wavedashing would have had no detrimental effect on the casual players. The removal of wavedashing is the equivalent of removing depth, so it makes it harder for Brawl to turn out as a competitive game. It's future lies in accident now, and the hope that we, as the players, find more glitches and exploits to furthur the competitive aspect of Smash.

Excuse my slowness, but I have something to say:

The inclusion of wavedashing has a HUGE detrimental effect on all players other than competitive. Some of us don't WD and dislike it, but can we go to tourneys? No. They're all FD, no-item, Marth/Sheik/Fox-fests, where there is nothing visible beyond a large cloud of dust behind a crouching character as you get owned. For those who don't wavedash, they are given no choice. You either wavedash or cannot go to a tourney.

 

[x4FoSho4x]

Auto edge grabbing
Walking off edge and push back to grab...wow intense.
Auto lag cancel
Everyone floating like Jigglypuff
Wiimote
The general appearance of the characters and stages
The music, specifically the Snake track lifted directly from that pirate movie
Awkward subspace Emissary vids
The abomination that is Sonic
The pimping of Snake

These are just some of the things that set off red flags for me. Everything about this game reeks with the stench of a Star Wars prequel. The music is phony, the marketing of this game is phony, the nintendo reps and their cheerleaders are phony. CO-OP mode in SE looks extremely awkward with the other player being left off the screen constantly, the pathetic minions just begging to get killed. It's over. A critical and financial success, a casual phenomenon, but a competitive failure. That's how this game will be described two years from now. Promise.

Proceed.

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[Kimosabae]

Excuse my slowness, but I have something to say:

The inclusion of wavedashing has a HUGE detrimental effect on all players other than competitive. Some of us don't WD and dislike it, but can we go to tourneys? No. They're all FD, no-item, Marth/Sheik/Fox-fests, where there is nothing visible beyond a large cloud of dust behind a crouching character as you get owned. For those who don't wavedash, they are given no choice. You either wavedash or cannot go to a tourney.

How about you actually go to a fvcking tourney and learn WTF you're talking about?


A foreign concept, aloof from common sense according to the scrubs that frequent these boards for sure.


-Syn

 

[Pluvia's other account]

People, why has this troll been fed for 11 pages?

It's a new game. It's not Melee.

Get over it.

 

[fr0st2k]

Auto edge grabbing
Walking off edge and push back to grab...wow intense.
Auto lag cancel
Everyone floating like Jigglypuff
Wiimote
The general appearance of the characters and stages
The music, specifically the Snake track lifted directly from that pirate movie
Awkward subspace Emissary vids
The abomination that is Sonic
The pimping of Snake

These are just some of the things that set off red flags for me. Everything about this game reeks with the stench of a Star Wars prequel. The music is phony, the marketing of this game is phony, the nintendo reps and their cheerleaders are phony. CO-OP mode in SE looks extremely awkward with the other player being left off the screen constantly, the pathetic minions just begging to get killed. It's over. A critical and financial success, a casual phenomenon, but a competitive failure. That's how this game will be described two years from now. Promise.

Proceed.

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

You bummed that the new game isnt melee2? You bummed that youre going to have to learn a brand new game and discovery brand new techniques?

Na, you'll just wait for other people who like smash as a game, and not as Melee, to discover all the techniques for you and to prove that Brawl has the same potential Melee did.

you are a crybaby, annoying, and a whiner. Shut the **** Up