Super Smash Bros. For 3DS Advanced Technique: Toss Canceling

[BibbledyJello]

Wow. This is very interesting. Also incredibly confusing due to my current noob level. But cool! Now I could use Peach better?

 

[Rᴏb]

If this doesn't attract Melee players, nothing will.

This is only the tip of the tech iceberg.

is this satire?

 

[SupremeSuperiorStick]

For those that do not know why and can't do it, I'll explain. The three that do this technique pluck an item and it ends up in their hand. and pull an item and toss it with down b rather then pluck it. They have to manually go to where their item spawns/gets moved to and pick it up with A.

So if they were to place the items with their specials and then manually pick them up, they would also be able to perform the Toss Cancel?

 

[ITALIAN N1NJA]

For those that do not know why and can't do it, I'll explain. The three that do this technique pluck an item and it ends up in their hand. and pull an item and toss it with down b rather then pluck it. They have to manually go to where their item spawns/gets moved to and pick it up with A.

Exactly. When Toon Link, Link, or Peach pluck a natural item with a Down Special input, the item is already in hand. If the item is in hand and you input Down Special again, the game realizes that you already have the item in hand and so tosses the item. As far as we know this could have been a technical oversight when the mechanic of plucking natural items was programmed.

So if they were to place the items with their specials and then manually pick them up, they would also be able to perform the Toss Cancel?

No they would not. This is an effect caused by the mechanic of plucking natural items. Rob spawns the spin top in front of him and this is a move that requires to inputs(one to charge and one to shoot the spin top). Diddy Kong spawns the banana by tossing it behind him. Neither of these are natural items that are plucked.

 

[Ryu_Ken]

I see... Pressing down b while holding an item you summoned with down b automatically makes you throw it. Makes sense. You can't hold out 2 bombs/turnips with one hand now can you?

 

[G-K]

Yeah, it would've been nice to bring back a useless tech barrier that only separates the playerbase and only serves to make the higher levels feel good about themselves.

Yep, it's so much better when the game's completely dumbed down, so nobody can do anything with the engine, and players that can't bother to spend 2 or 3 minutes learning this "schism-inducing-advanced-techniques" don't feel put down by those "evil-doers, probably, Satan worshipers" who do.

 

[Jsteel3]

I've been using it online with my TL it is and feels SOOOOO good

 

[EdreesesPieces]

For those that do not know why and can't do it, I'll explain. The three that do this technique pluck an item and it ends up in their hand. and pull an item and toss it with down b rather then pluck it. They have to manually go to where their item spawns/gets moved to and pick it up with A.

Actually, the real reason is that Link and Peach are awesome and Rob and Diddy aren't, but nice try Just kidding but I had to say it .

 

[the101]

If this doesn't attract Melee players, nothing will.

This is only the tip of the tech iceberg.

When you said iceberg I thought about the Ice Climbers, and now I'm sad.

 

[DoodleDuck97]

I ain't no big tournament player but I am glad to see Smash 4 has its own techniques

 

[qiraz611]

Yeah, it would've been nice to bring back a useless tech barrier that only separates the playerbase and only serves to make the higher levels feel good about themselves.

Let me guess, you're not high level so you complain about those who are. There was no need to be sarcastic with his comment. He simply wanted a mechanic he liked back.

 

[Blargg888]

What about Robin's used up tomes/Levin Sword?

 

[drsusredfish]

if i catch links bomb can i then toss cancel? Im seeing a zelda fair catch bomb fast fall toss cancel fair again in my head. could be a hype counter.

or am i misunderstanding the inputs?

 

[Bones0]

If this doesn't attract Melee players, nothing will.

This is only the tip of the tech iceberg.

If anything, this makes the game less appealing because projectiles already seemed really strong. It's also yet another way to get out of combos. Buffing all of the defensive aspects of an already defensive game doesn't seem like a great thing...

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

Patched or not, Link still kicks the most serious and intense posterior this time around... And me likes.

 

[LinkmasterX9]

Oh boy I'm liking it. Also wave bouncing may be back.

 

[NoiseHERO]

Now I get to hate fighting against peach even more.

 

[Zarx1554]

As a Toon Link main, I bet with this, Toon Link can become a High-Tier

 

[AJawesome07]

Catching a natural item from Link, Toon Link, or Peach and then canceling the item using a toss will not work. Toss Canceling is done via Down Special and the other characters do not toss an item they are holding on impact with the ground if Down Special were to be input. These characters have the natural item in hand when someone were to input Down Special. If the character already is holding the item, upon inputting Down Special a second time would cause them to toss the item due to not being able to pull another natural item because they are already holding one.

K, thanks for clarifying. It's still a neat new tech though.

 

[Dr. James Rustles]

Yeah, it would've been nice to bring back a useless tech barrier that only separates the playerbase and only serves to make the higher levels feel good about themselves.

*Only serves to keep D-idara in Loser's.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Why does Dream Land look white in this pics instead of green?

 

[beestmode]

Toss cancel...smosh cancel...don't really matter if those few characters get the little extra help...plenty of other characters will still whoop those few who can TC...don't get me wrong I like the idea and the guy(s) who found this out props man

 

[_Chrome]

For those that do not know why and can't do it, I'll explain. The three that do this technique pluck an item and it ends up in their hand. and pull an item and toss it with down b rather then pluck it. They have to manually go to where their item spawns/gets moved to and pick it up with A.

BAKURA!

 

[The Original Zeph]

Honestly if Nintendo patches this I will be severely disappointed. In what way does this even effect the casual audience they were aiming for in the first place they should at least let us have the exploits we can find. It makes the game deep and will ensure the competitive scene has a healthy future.

 

[Acryte]

Yea because Nintendo has always cared so much about patching vulnerabilities even if it caused games to become unbeatable.

 

[kirby_queen]

Well this doesn't help me as a Kirby player ...

 

[Dr. Corndog]

Let me guess, you're not high level so you complain about those who are. There was no need to be sarcastic with his comment. He simply wanted a mechanic he liked back.

Except L-canceling is pointless in concept. I don't just mean that it's annoying or whatnot. I mean it is literally a pointless thing to include.

 

[Kryver98]

Wall of Pain: 2014 Edition.

 

[Gidy]

Can Megaman do it with the custom bomb move?

 

[Deleted member]

If this doesn't attract Melee players, nothing will.

This is only the tip of the tech iceberg.

RIP Icies, you will be missed.

 

[KrymsonSkyz]

I apologize to anyone who took it personally.

Don't apologize to the butthurt babies.

 

[LIQUID12A]

RIP Icies, you will be missed.

I actually posted the first synonym for "scratching the surface" that I thought of, I swear that wasn't meant as a jab towards them.

My apologies.

 

[shapular]

To the people who are saying "lol only 3 characters so game-changing lol", remember that that's 50% more characters than those that can waveshine in Melee.

 

[31gma]

To the people who are saying "lol only 3 characters so game-changing lol", remember that that's 50% more characters than those that can waveshine in Melee.

Don't bother, they'll still ***** about how campy it is when the meta hasn't fully evolved yet.

 

[metaXzero]

To the people who are saying "lol only 3 characters so game-changing lol", remember that that's 50% more characters than those that can waveshine in Melee.

So? 3 characters toss canceling vs. 2 characters waveshining in a roster as big as Smash is not a significant improvement. And at least in Melee, waveshining is just a sub-technique of wavedashing which everyone can do while this thing is completely exclusive.

 

[Rja410]

Pr

Don't get too exited. This might get (unfortunately) patched.

oabably not

 

[Keefer]

As a link main. I think this is awesome. I have already won a few local tourneys with him and didnt think he was anywhere near bottom tier but this is an amazing feature that I hope doesnt ever get patched.

 

[Lil Puddin]

This is neat and all, but do we really need to fish for techs guys? The game plays perfectly fine all on it's own

Competitive players will do anything to get an advantage over their opponent. So the answer is no - but they will still try to use this anyway.

 

[S3R4PH]

Wow this is pretty cool.

 

[Neanderthal]

unfortunately? i hope this gets patched. it shouldn't be exclusive to just 3 characters.

Yeah, because nothing else in this game is unique to certain characters...............


Ontop of that, this will only affect play at the higher levels because casual's won't be able to do this to any useful effect. And at higher levels Peach and Links appear to be pretty average characters anyway so far.

So there's really no good argument for taking it out no matter which way you look at it.