Super Mario Bros. Characters Discussion.

[MasterMushroom]

I wouldn't want Waluigi. Besides if he made it in, then I could start to support other spin-off characters for the sake of that.

Thing is though, Waluigi is THE SPIN-OFF CHARACTER

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Waluigi does have this weird edge in popularity, being the sort of 'underdog' and all. Then again, it's nothing compared to Toad's, literally living in Mario and even Luigi's shadows for so long.

Toad does have this weird edge in popularity, being the sort of 'underdog' and all. Then again, it's nothing compared to Waluigi's, literally living in Wario and even Luigi's shadows for so long

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[PsychoIncarnate]

I'd support Waluigi more if he'd been in a platformer

 

[grizby2]

its just ODD not having waluigi knowing that wario is playable, i felt the same way with the wario ware games.

i mean why make wario and waluigi a duo and then not make them appear together as often as mario and luigi?
Toad may be "the best!" and bowser jr. may reign as prince, but they had their time!
ITS WALUIGI TIME! D:<

 

[Robert of Normandy]

its just ODD not having waluigi knowing that wario is playable, i felt the same way with the wario ware games.

i mean why make wario and waluigi a duo and then not make them appear together as often as mario and luigi?<

Because Waluigi is just filler for the spinoffs.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

its just ODD not having waluigi knowing that wario is playable, i felt the same way with the wario ware games.

i mean why make wario and waluigi a duo and then not make them appear together as often as mario and luigi?
Toad may be "the best!" and bowser jr. may reign as prince, but they had their time!
ITS WALUIGI TIME! D:<

I'd think it was odd, but I've been playing Wario platformers since the 90's, before Waluigi was created

 

[grizby2]

i can understand that, since he wasn't made yet. just kinda bothers me that since his first appearence, he's never given a chance to show his true potential.
mario is caring while wario is a greedy
luigi is a scardy cat.. so waluigi would probably act like a total bad***, kinda like Kazuma Kuwabara from YuYu Hakusho XD

toad and bowser jr truely arent bad choices, i just prefer waluigi~

 

[MasterMushroom]

Because Waluigi is just filler for the spinoffs.

And Super Smash Bros is a Mario spin-off; Waluigi's job as a spin-off character is to "fill" a slot in the roster for Mario's series

 

[Robert of Normandy]

And Super Smash Bros is a Mario spin-off; Waluigi's job as a spin-off character is to "fill" a slot in the roster for Mario's series

Touchè.

Or not, because SSB isn't a Mario spinoff. It just happens to have a somewhat similar sounding name.

 

[Pyra]

Birdo has a more prominent roles than Waluigi and more deserving of a slot.

Not only is she/he/it in a metric ****ton of the spin-offs, she/it/he's a boss in multiple Mario adventure iterations. (SMB3 and SMRPG come to mind).

 

[MasterMushroom]

Touchè.

Or not, because SSB isn't a Mario spinoff. It just happens to have a somewhat similar sounding name.

Nah, it is a spinoff. At least according to Nintendo and most fan sites I've visited which base their claim on the former

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Nah, it is a spinoff. At least according to Nintendo and most fan sites I've visited which base their claim on the former

Well, that's dumb. Aside from kinda being a platformer, having a similar name, and having a few Mario characters in it, I don't see what makes SSB specifically a Mario spinoff.

 

[Pyra]

Yeah, I don't see how it's a Mario spin-off.

 

[Reyson]

its just ODD not having waluigi knowing that wario is playable, i felt the same way with the wario ware games.

i mean why make wario and waluigi a duo and then not make them appear together as often as mario and luigi?

The people who made Waluigi aren't the people who made Wario, not even the ones in charge of making any Wario games. The only reason he exists at all is because at the time when Wario needed a partner, the WarioWare games didn't exist yet and thus Wario didn't have any supporting characters yet. If the WW games did exist, it seems likely that one of those characters would've been Wario's partner and Waluigi wouldn't exist.

 

[Frostwraith]

Nah, it is a spinoff. At least according to Nintendo and most fan sites I've visited which base their claim on the former

WRONG!

sure, the name is similar (and is probably a reference to the Super Mario Bros. series), but I don't think it qualifies as a Mario spin-off. it's definitely a standalone series.

 

[Deleted member]

Problems I see with the "Wario needed a partner" for being the reason Waluigi was made.

1. Waluigi is stated to have been made to serve as a rival to Luigi. This is even said on the Mario Tennis website in Japan.
2. Wario HAD a partner. His name was Tatanga, remember him? He was the one that kidnapped Daisy in Super Mario Land (under Wario's orders) and appeared as one of the guardians of the 6 Golden Coins that Wario hid away? If Wario desperately needed a partner in crime or a sidekick back then, why not Tatanga?

 

[Opossum]

Lol at Smash being a Mario Spinoff.




On a different note, I take a bet that Golden will make a response to the "only made to be a partner" comment. Just making a little guess, seeing as he's here.


EDIT: Ninja'd by my guess...

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Problems I see with the "Wario needed a partner" for being the reason Waluigi was made.

1. Waluigi is stated to have been made to serve as a rival to Luigi. This is even said on the Mario Tennis website in Japan.
2. Wario HAD a partner. His name was Tatanga, remember him? He was the one that kidnapped Daisy in Super Mario Land (under Wario's orders) and appeared as one of the guardians of the 6 Golden Coins that Wario hid away? If Wario desperately needed a partner in crime or a sidekick back then, why not Tatanga?

I see what you mean, but if Wario is Mario's rival, Tatanga would not be a good match for Luigi (based on the fact that Wario and Mario look alike, it would be strange for a partner for Wario to have absolutely nothing to do with Luigi. at least to me). While it probably wasn't his main purpose Waluigi is used as a rival for Luigi, and it is insinuated in the intro movie for the game that they are partners in crime.

Making him Wario's partner was the best action considering it matched up between the two pairs, and Waluigi fits right into the wackiness that is the Mario universe

 

[Arcadenik]

its just ODD not having waluigi knowing that wario is playable, i felt the same way with the wario ware games.

i mean why make wario and waluigi a duo and then not make them appear together as often as mario and luigi?
Toad may be "the best!" and bowser jr. may reign as prince, but they had their time!
ITS WALUIGI TIME! D:<

Well, then following that train of thought, Daisy is Peach's partner but she isn't in Smash and Peach is.... HI, I AM DAISY! FOR SMASH!

 

[MasterMushroom]

I see what you mean, but if Wario is Mario's rival, Tatanga would not be a good match for Luigi (based on the fact that Wario and Mario look alike, it would be strange for a partner for Wario to have absolutely nothing to do with Luigi. at least to me). While it probably wasn't his main purpose Waluigi is used as a rival for Luigi, and it is insinuated in the intro movie for the game that they are partners in crime.

Making him Wario's partner was the best action considering it matched up between the two pairs, and Waluigi fits right into the wackiness that is the Mario universe

Perfectly summed up what I had in mind ^^

Well, that's dumb. Aside from kinda being a platformer, having a similar name, and having a few Mario characters in it, I don't see what makes SSB specifically a Mario spinoff.

Hey, not my words. Majority of others on other sites refer it as a spinoff; how can you not take a double take on that and think about it? The initial argument here was to give Wario & Luigi a compliment in other games. And Waluigi would be perfect for that and that alone in Smash

Well, then following that train of thought, Daisy is Peach's partner but she isn't in Smash and Peach is.... HI, I AM DAISY! FOR SMASH!

Thing is though, she wasn't made for the sake of being a "partner," as she has her own game in Sarasaland. Waluigi hasn't, so comparing the two wouldn't measure along each other

 

[Diddy Kong]

That Waluigi was a better choice as a Mario Tennis partner for Wario doesn't mean that he's even remotely near a good choice for being in Smash.

 

[MasterMushroom]

That Waluigi was a better choice as a Mario Tennis partner for Wario doesn't mean that he's even remotely near a good choice for being in Smash.

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[SmasherMaster]

Smash Bros is a POKEMON spinoff

8 playable fighters to Mario's five

 

[Hypercat-Z]

I think Wart/Mabu should appear in the game, even only as a boss, because he's already a crossover char:

 

[Diddy Kong]

But Link's Awakening even had Goomba's and um... Kirby. lol

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I think Wart/Mabu should appear in the game, even only as a boss, because he's already a crossover char:

Link's Awakening also had a ton of other cameos, including Goombas, Yoshi, Piranha Plants, Richard(from "For Frogs the Bell Tolls"), and (Anti-)Kirby. So Wart isn't all that special.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Wart should have been Wario's partner.

I want to see Mario's return to Subcon, including Wart's Revenge!!!

 

[Deleted member]

Wartio.

 

[Aipom]

I've been playing Mario for as long as I can remember, but I find choosing additional characters to be very difficult. Waluigi, the ultimate love or hate character, is my number 1 choice. Second choice is tough, it'd either be Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario or................perennial longshot Petey Piranha! I know this time around he has very little shot, but he looked great in Brawl!! :D

 

[Reyson]

I've been playing Mario for as long as I can remember, but I find choosing additional characters to be very difficult. Waluigi, the ultimate love or hate character, is my number 1 choice. Second choice is tough, it'd either be Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario or................perennial longshot Petey Piranha! I know this time around he has very little shot, but he looked great in Brawl!! :D

Toad seems like the most important Mario character that is still missing, he continues to show up in most Mario games and thus seems the most deserving of those that are left.
Though honestly, I find it really hard to see a valid reason for adding another Mario character to the roster. None of them are particularly unique or bring a completely unique fighting style to the game, none are popular enough to convince people that wouldn't otherwise buy the game, etc. They're the safe, boring characters to fill a roster with, most people will play them once or twice and if they aren't particularly overpowered, rarely ever play again.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Toad isn't boring I think.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Diddy: Agreed. Many emphasize on his "speed + power + tiny size"-styled moveset which sounds pretty lethal for a little character like him. He could even make it to top tier if utilized correctly.

 

[Deleted member]

When I see "speed + power + tiny size", I think .

I'm starting to not want Toad now....

 

[Arcadenik]

When I see "speed + power + tiny size", I think .

I'm starting to not want Toad now....

More like Melee Fox than Brawl Meta Knight when you remember that Toad can't fly.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I can't envision Toad being like Meta, really. Toad would more of a nimble powerhouse which is easy to send flying and would have short jump height. Like a mix of Game & Watch and Fox.

Arcadenik's thought on him is more accurate.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Fast, nimble powerhouse? Pichu also sort of qualifies for those features, and could share a similar weakness with Toad, that being low ranged and extremely frail. So he could go any way, depending on how they utalize him.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I still personally see paper Mario as having a very, if not the most unique moveset. But I won't discount other Mario choices because of that. Each of the candidates have the possiblity of a unique moveset.

Why can't we just have Toad, Jr., Waluigi and Paper Mario?

 

[3Bismyname]

has anyone else thought that maybe Paper Mario could be considered his own franchise. much like how there Yoshi, DK, and Wario are really their own franchises it really is differentiated enough from the main series to be a standalone franchise. but thats just my way of thinking i guess.

 

[jigglover]

They did. However, they got their heads bitten off. It makes no sense at all... None! Wario has wario-ware and wario land, DK has donkey kong country, heck, 4th largest (5th if you count mii) Nintendo series needs no explanation. Yoshi is smaller, but still much more substantial than paper mario... And it really would make no sense anyway... To be honest, the people saying Luigi should get Luigi's mansion series so that king boo can get in have more of a case! :/

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I honestly wouldn't have an issue with 2 Mario reps considering the series had 5 in melee and is the flagship franchise of Nintendo.

I see Paper Mario as a Mario spin-off, but more than your average spin-off. It has it's own storyline, characters and world in general. While Mario, Peach, Luigi and Bowser are the same as they are in the series, the game itself is different.

If you ask me, while I LOVE Toon Link to death, Paper Mario has more potential to be unique to the original copy than Toon Link could ever have. I base this on the fact that Toon Link appeared in a mainstream Zelda game, so the fact that he is similar to older Link is no surprise to me. It isn't like his games (besides Phantom Hourglass and such) are that much different that he could be that much different himeslf.

Basically, if mario could get 2 this game and we could still have the characters everyone wants, then that is awesome. If not, then I say no to 2 for Mario. However, until a Mario Character is confirmed, I will be in full support of Paper Mario over the other 3. Though I wouldn't mind any of them really

 

[3Bismyname]

They did. However, they got their heads bitten off. It makes no sense at all... None! Wario has wario-ware and wario land, DK has donkey kong country, heck, 4th largest (5th if you count mii) Nintendo series needs no explanation. Yoshi is smaller, but still much more substantial than paper mario... And it really would make no sense anyway... To be honest, the people saying Luigi should get Luigi's mansion series so that king boo can get in have more of a case! :/

why doesn't it make sense. it has its own lore, its own individual characters, its own gameplay and even its own art style. if you think back Yoshi only had what 2 games when Smash 64 came out, Paper Mario is now a 4 game series. I mean for what reason does it not make sense other than it still technically being Mario?