Super Heroes Mafia: Day 7 ends! Nabe and Circus wins! Zen dies in end game!

[ranmaru]

Yeah thought that guy hated inactives.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Oh Ranmaru is in the game. Have you done anything useful yet? Any great ideas?

 

[ranmaru]

ideas: lynch circus/hep/zen. (zen for crumbing batman as deadpool, I forget who that is)

Also, one more idea: Why doesn't kev want to full-claim? That isn't helpful to us...

Btw zen how are you thinking about Hep/Circus toDay?

 

[Xivii]

Hep is looking townier.
Circus I want to lynch.

 

[Circus]

Yeah thought that guy hated inactives.

Must you be so uppity all the time?

Wonder what happened to Circus.

New job, class, finishing final projects, napping. In a variety of orders.

So I realize I didn't even really touch on it before, but Nabe's claim still seems really dubious to me. The only reasons I'm even kind of willing to buy it are as follows:

1) Ryu says OS confirmed him as Batman and I don't think Ryu is mafia.
2) If scum weren't given safeclaims, then I would expect scum to pick a character much more underground than Batman. Especially since we've seen a character like The Tick, which opens up a whole range of nigh-uncounterable claims for the mafia to choose from if they really needed to.

So Nabe might not be mafia, but I find it plausible that he could be indy. In fact, since his mason ability is apparently real (I'm making the assumption that Ryu is in fact town for this...or was), maybe Nabe's a cultist? Or maybe a lyncher whose target is Batman? Would be willing to lynch him toDay to find out if we can't find a better candidate by deadline. Even if he's town, we wouldn't really be losing much more than a VT anyway according to Nabe's claim.

Gheb's point about Kevin pulling this kind of play as scum in other games is very interesting, but it still seems really reckless in a non-MYLO situation. I don't know the context of his claim in those other games, but I don't see why scumKevin would have countered Nabe when he claimed Batman here. Kevin would know that we would have just lynched him the next Day if Nabe's claim turned out to be true upon a flip. I think it's too unsafe to be a scum maneuver, plus Kevin's claim could be provable, where as Nabe just said "lol looks like my abilities don't work."

Nabe, can you explain to me why you think Kevin's CC is scummy again?

I do agree that Zen should be really clear about his role now though. I'm still not sure if he actually executed the X1 kill on N1 or not, which I think is worth knowing. In fact, how do people feel about a full claim from everybody at this point? I feel like transparency could really help us at this stage in the game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Hep is looking townier.

She seriously should answer how Nabe's claim is "weaker" than Kevin's though. I call BS on that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Circus, who do you think is playing scummy [ignoring the context of claims et al].

 

[Circus]

Radical Fiction has been bothering me all game and that hasn't changed. He's been coasty and basically the only "contribution" he has made all game is jumping on my wagon and calling that scum hunting. I will admit that his super shady claim does bolster my suspicion of him. And his playstyle probably makes me biased toward getting rid of him on a personal level. I'm trying not to let that affect me, but gawd would I be enjoying this game more if he weren't in it.

Since GLG flipped town, I consider the initial X1/BeatStick connection to be relevant once again. Beat was sheeping and laying low pretty much all D2. He can die.

Nabe's been off my radar pretty much all game. Willing to believe he could very well be indy at this point. Maybe even scum with Ryu. I should probably go over Ryu's posts and see if I'm literally letting him get away with murder, but I'm not up to it right now. I've considered Ryu town for pretty much the whole game.

Ranmaru, I'm kind of null on, possibly leaning scum. He replaced a player who was, without exaggeration, one of the most inactive players I've seen in a mafia game, and Ran himself has been pretty sheepy since he replaced in.

Like I said earlier, Kevin's coasting has been really frustrating and I would totally be up for getting rid of him if he's just going to keep up like this and he's not going to get a replacement. But his claim gives me pause.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe, can you explain to me why you think Kevin's CC is scummy again?

I don't. =/

Circus still a good lynch.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

ideas: lynch circus/hep/zen. (zen for crumbing batman as deadpool, I forget who that is)

This isn't scummy. =/

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why would I full claim my abilities when its true we shouldn't even be focusing them tonight.

Nobody asked you to. =/

 

[Circus]

I don't. =/

Okay, let me rephrase then. What makes you think scum with a Batman safeclaim is more likely than there simply being a comic counterpart to your television version of Batman? You seemed to say in your 1702 that, since the beginning of the game, you have basically been laying a trap for any other player who would claim Batman. What made you so confident that player would be scum?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Flavour inversions. Batman as a fakeclaim is a dynamo for scum, and I knew that by claiming Batman I could grab a CC from that. Batman also was a good candidate for JoAT obviously, and at the time I thought my abilities were okay. So another Batman JoAT claim would be fishy.


Kev, would you have nameclaimed if I hadn't claimed Batman first, or was it to get the lynch off? I think the latter, which combined with my likely insane ability means we haven't caught scum in Kev IMO. I think I'm just the ****ty Batman.

 

[Radical Fiction]

well that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. guess i can't blame you though, i haven't been as into this as other people.




please make these two statements fit together for me.

just to be perfectly accurate Zen didn't really claim to be Deadpool. Ryu just said that Zen told him he was Deadpool in private.

what reason do you have for thinking the Joker and the Penquin aren't in the game? specifically Joker. Overswarm loves Joker (you guys have probably been able to tell) and we already saw that X1 was the Joker's sidekick Harley. he's exactly who i would expect to be in this game.

so here's the deal. if it were any other character, i would probably call shenanigans on one of Kevin or Nabe's Batman claims. but it's BATMAN. Overswarm LOVES Batman. he's a total geek about it and he'd be the first to tell you. this knowledge combined with the fact that Nabe's claim-easily the weaker looking one right now-has apparently been confirmed to be true to Red Ryu makes me think that Kevin and Nabe really might both be different versions of Batman. it's totally weird, but if there's one character Overswarm would probably do something like this with, it would be Batman.

i have some bigger ideas attached to this conclusion, specifically in regards to my role, but i would prefer to get some answers to my above questions before i express them. i think this is where the game is really going to get fun.

Gross, gross, gross. Flavor hunting based on the mod for an EXTREMELY weird situation.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Must you be so uppity all the time?

New job, class, finishing final projects, napping. In a variety of orders.

So I realize I didn't even really touch on it before, but Nabe's claim still seems really dubious to me. The only reasons I'm even kind of willing to buy it are as follows:

1) Ryu says OS confirmed him as Batman and I don't think Ryu is mafia.
2) If scum weren't given safeclaims, then I would expect scum to pick a character much more underground than Batman. Especially since we've seen a character like The Tick, which opens up a whole range of nigh-uncounterable claims for the mafia to choose from if they really needed to.

So Nabe might not be mafia, but I find it plausible that he could be indy. In fact, since his mason ability is apparently real (I'm making the assumption that Ryu is in fact town for this...or was), maybe Nabe's a cultist? Or maybe a lyncher whose target is Batman? Would be willing to lynch him toDay to find out if we can't find a better candidate by deadline. Even if he's town, we wouldn't really be losing much more than a VT anyway according to Nabe's claim.

Gheb's point about Kevin pulling this kind of play as scum in other games is very interesting, but it still seems really reckless in a non-MYLO situation. I don't know the context of his claim in those other games, but I don't see why scumKevin would have countered Nabe when he claimed Batman here. Kevin would know that we would have just lynched him the next Day if Nabe's claim turned out to be true upon a flip. I think it's too unsafe to be a scum maneuver, plus Kevin's claim could be provable, where as Nabe just said "lol looks like my abilities don't work."

Nabe, can you explain to me why you think Kevin's CC is scummy again?

I do agree that Zen should be really clear about his role now though. I'm still not sure if he actually executed the X1 kill on N1 or not, which I think is worth knowing. In fact, how do people feel about a full claim from everybody at this point? I feel like transparency could really help us at this stage in the game.

Circus's defense of Kevin is a black mark against the Batman CC, imo.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Flavour inversions. Batman as a fakeclaim is a dynamo for scum, and I knew that by claiming Batman I could grab a CC from that. Batman also was a good candidate for JoAT obviously, and at the time I thought my abilities were okay. So another Batman JoAT claim would be fishy.


Kev, would you have nameclaimed if I hadn't claimed Batman first, or was it to get the lynch off? I think the latter, which combined with my likely insane ability means we haven't caught scum in Kev IMO. I think I'm just the ****ty Batman.

Paraphrase that specific flavor, and do it now.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Gheb, mass claim tomorrow or today?

 

[HepAlien]

How do you know Nabe's claim is the weaker looking one when Kevin hasn't even role claimed?

Kevin HAS told us his role, at least the basic gist of it. it's pretty much the same as Nabe's, only Nabe has proven to be at least partially defective. plus, if only one between "regular" Batman and Adam West Batman is going to be in this game, which one do you really think it would be?

Gross, gross, gross. Flavor hunting based on the mod for an EXTREMELY weird situation.

i'm sorry that you don't like it. but i'm not going to ignore things that i know about Overswarm, that's needlessly handicapping myself. besides, i think i have a way around this extremely weird situation that wouldn't require us to lynch Kevin or Nabe today if we don't want to. but i would like Zen to respond to my last post first.

Zen you don't have any abilities other than your masonry? if so, how were you roleblocked? i'm sorry if you think i'm being nosey, but i can't get comfortable with how often i see you being misleading or outright lying in this game.

 

[KevinM]

I CCed because I was going to be lynched when I have a valuable ability and I'm finally able to play the game again.

 

[KevinM]

Mass claim would be ok with me imo.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, mass claim tomorrow or today?

Better toMorrow than toDay. I don't think any further claims will resolve the muck we're dealing with at the moment - in fact I can see the opposite happen. Let's get rid of the major WIFOM herds and if we haven't found scum among it we can do a massclaim.

Kevin HAS told us his role, at least the basic gist of it. it's pretty much the same as Nabe's, only Nabe has proven to be at least partially defective.

Has it? His oh-so amazing cop investigation has been pretty useless. His mason recruit can only be confirmed via a lynch and doesn't confirm anybody as town anyway. His roleblock has yet to be used and its use is very situational to begin with.

plus, if only one between "regular" Batman and Adam West Batman is going to be in this game, which one do you really think it would be?

I don't give a fuck. This is a mafia game, not Batman.

@Kevin

Please claim what powers you have and whether you used them or not / why or why not you used them against whom.

 

[Overswarm]

Votecount:

Radical Fiction - MOD
Zen - Nabe,
KevinM - Zen, Gheb, Radical Fiction, Red Ryu,
HepAlien - Ranmaru,

Not voting: Circus, Beatstick, HepAlien, KevinM,

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
A deadline has been set for Wednesday, April 27th, at 3:00 p.m. EST.

 

[Xivii]

Zen you don't have any abilities other than your masonry? if so, how were you roleblocked? i'm sorry if you think i'm being nosey, but i can't get comfortable with how often i see you being misleading or outright lying in this game.

Red Ryu roleblocked me. He is town day roleblocker.

 

[Xivii]

Once again, I am Deadpool.

I can talk during the night.
I can Mason.
I have no Vig ability.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Paraphrase that specific flavor, and do it now.

I'm not sure what this was asking me.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Once again, I am Deadpool.

I can talk during the night.
I can Mason.
I have no Vig ability.

And what else?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Better toMorrow than toDay. I don't think any further claims will resolve the muck we're dealing with at the moment - in fact I can see the opposite happen. Let's get rid of the major WIFOM herds and if we haven't found scum among it we can do a massclaim.

My thoughts exactly.

Unvote

I don't buy two Batmans. I don't like either slot. I don't like Circus.

 

[Radical Fiction]

I'm not sure what this was asking me.

You have led us to believe your role has something in it that means there is LIKELY another Batman in this game and a Batman that is a safeclaim no less.

The last time I saw anything similar to this was Batma(n)fia where Kirbyoshi handed me the game. He wasn't pressed on what led him to believe that the Joker was not town aligned.

Forgot to add that I don't like Hep.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

There's no flavour reason. I thought in the beginning that my abilities were sane, which would mean that another Batman in this game claiming JoAT-like would likely be bad news. Safeclaim seemed much more the thing.

 

[Radical Fiction]

There's no flavour reason. I thought in the beginning that my abilities were sane, which would mean that another Batman in this game claiming JoAT-like would likely be bad news. Safeclaim seemed much more the thing.

So you're assuming that the mod would gimp either the town or the scum by putting in two Batmans? That would add either a scum lynch that they couldn't do jack **** about because it was their safeclaim or it would add TWO wasted Day Phases because someone claimed Batman and then he was counterclaimed.

I think you're covering your *** for Kevmo Town.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

When you put it that way, it sounds so terrible. But yeah, I assumed.

In FE, scum had a list of fakeclaims, and I was worried at the time that some of the people in that list weren't strictly safe for us to claim. I was wrong, but the implication was there because we just got names. OS was scum with me in that game and I suspect he'd do the same in this game just to spite me. More to the point though, there are 10 jillion heroes and a big list with Batman in it for scum would be a sexy one.

 

[ranmaru]

Are you both allowed to post the pic of which Batman char you have? (That OS gave you) or is that out of bound?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Ranmaru, think. What the hell does it matter? Google image search provides them both with an equally convincing image.

 

[Radical Fiction]

When you put it that way, it sounds so terrible. But yeah, I assumed.

In FE, scum had a list of fakeclaims, and I was worried at the time that some of the people in that list weren't strictly safe for us to claim. I was wrong, but the implication was there because we just got names. OS was scum with me in that game and I suspect he'd do the same in this game just to spite me. More to the point though, there are 10 jillion heroes and a big list with Batman in it for scum would be a sexy one.

It sounds terrible because it looks terrible.

That would defeat the point of SAFEclaims. It would be ******* modding to the extreme.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Don't like Ranmaru's slot either. Replaced inactive Kuz and is doing his best to kill the town read I had on Kuz.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

But like I've said, I think it's more likely that scum has a pool of characters that aren't in the game.

I agree on Ran up to the point where you say you had a town read on Kuz.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Kevin is the only other player that should claim toDay imo.

 

[Circus]

Circus's defense of Kevin is a black mark against the Batman CC, imo.

Yes, everything I touch turns to hot, bubbling ****. I got it.

Don't like Ranmaru's slot either. Replaced inactive Kuz and is doing his best to kill the town read I had on Kuz.

What? How the hell did you have a town read on Kuz? Or any solid read at all for that matter? The guy literally did not even play this game.

BeatStick, you've been too quiet. Share some thoughts. Hypothetically, if we were to kill a Batman toDay, which Batman would you want it to be?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So let's get this straight ...

Interested in winning: Gheb, Zen, Nabe, Radical Fiction, Ryu
Don't give a ****: BeanStick, HepAlien, Ranmaru
Who knows: Kevin, Circus, RedRuy

More than half of the players alive show no clear sign of even being interested in winning this game for town. Unless you're all scum there's no reason for you to play as awful as you do. If Circus keeps it up, I will move him into the "interested" list. If Kevin starts to contribute more than one-liners when on the chopping block I might move him as well. RedRyu, even with a posting restriction I think you can bring more attention to points you think need to be discussed.