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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Q-Long

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That model is off, to say the least. I know people will say, "Ken has looked weird for ages and so does Ryu in this game it must be real", but while the shading is pretty accurate, there's hardly any sense of depth between the gi and his skin. The face, hair, and overall model quality, especially on the muscles, look like they're from the PS3. Ryu at least looks smooth and well-polished.

Anybody can make a fake leak.
Its just how well made and convincing it is. The only fake leak I can think of on this level was that Rayman one during Smash 4.
 

TempestSurge

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That model is off, to say the least. I know people will say, "Ken has looked weird for ages and so does Ryu in this game it must be real", but while the shading is pretty accurate, there's hardly any sense of depth between the gi and his skin. The face, hair, and overall model quality, especially on the muscles, look like they're from the PS3. Ryu at least looks smooth and well-polished.

Anybody can make a fake leak.
And then the leak is Ken of all people, who of which people have been speculating since the announcement of echoes. Real or not, it's a pretty boring leak of a character who comes off as expected. Steve, Geno or Incineroar would have been more interesting to dissect.
 

Q-Long

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And then the leak is Ken of all people, who of which people have been speculating since the announcement of echoes. Real or not, it's a pretty boring leak of a character who comes off as expected. Steve, Geno or Incineroar would have been more interesting to dissect.
If you think about it, Steve would be the easiest character to make a fake leak of. I'm surprised it hasnt happened yet
 

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He sports a ponytail in 5, though his hair (and facial features) in SFV are a bit weird. I think they would go with how he looks in SFII or SFIII, because its his most iconic look. I think how he looks there in that leak is how he would look in Ultimate.

Of course, even if this confirms some leaker information to be true, I don't think they know everything and Ken is a safe obvious choice (even more so than Daisy).
That model is off, to say the least. I know people will say, "Ken has looked weird for ages and so does Ryu in this game it must be real", but while the shading is pretty accurate, there's hardly any sense of depth between the gi and his skin. The face, hair, and overall model quality, especially on the muscles, look like they're from the PS3. Ryu at least looks smooth and well-polished.

Anybody can make a fake leak.
I think it's the model from either SfIV. Or it's a fan model. I just noticed this. But the eyebrows don't look nearly as defined. Heck, I think the stage behind him is from Wii U.

Also, Push is a flipping moron if he thinks that "mods wouldn't be able to replicate Ultimate's style."

Have you ever seen the capability of mods????

The model looks like it's new, with the same outfit as the SF4 one but more "classic" body style.
Someone posted this in the same thread:

http://i66.tinypic.com/dpzp6b.png
Fake. At least this leak is.
 
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ThoughtfulWanderer

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Its just how well made and convincing it is. The only fake leak I can think of on this level was that Rayman one during Smash 4.
As I said, the shading is really good. It's just the model itself that looks sketchy, at least with this not-so perfect quality. Whatever it is, it's definitely an original model and not ripped from a SF game.

My question is, if this actually is real, where did they get it from and how? Is there a reveal / direct coming up soon?

No matter what, this really doesn't change a whole lot. Ken would've been commonly speculated even without Verge since Richter exists. Besides, Verge doesn't know the whole roster and the Prima leaker is still sketchy.
 
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As I said, the shading is really good. It's just the model itself that looks sketchy, at least with this not-so perfect quality. Whatever it is, it's definitely an original model and not ripped from a SF game.

My question is, if this actually is real, where did they get it from and how? Is there a reveal / direct coming up soon?
They say that seeing Mappy in the same picture it could be a trailer instead direct gameplay from the leaker or something.... so let's see how the TGS will end.
 
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He sports a ponytail in 5, though his hair (and facial features) in SFV are a bit weird. I think they would go with how he looks in SFII or SFIII, because its his most iconic look. I think how he looks there in that leak is how he would look in Ultimate.

Of course, even if this confirms some leaker information to be true, I don't think they know everything and Ken is a safe obvious choice (even more so than Daisy).


I really hope he isn't playable. An assist trophy or stage instead. I would rather play Goku or Thanos or any of those ridiculous suggestions than Steve lol.
Well....maybe not Goku, I will take Gex (if you know who that is you are probably a little older) hey how is this for a random retro character....Frogger! Lol
 

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I'm going with real for now. It looks better than his SF4 & 5 model imo. He looks tired though. Why can't we get a pic of a more interesting character at least...
 

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I'm going with real for now. It looks better than his SF4 & 5 model imo. He looks tired though. Why can't we get a pic of a more interesting character at least...
I NEED to know if Isaac is in but officially in a Direct or something..... if Ken is in I would prefer this "leak" over someone leaking Isaac with a 100x100 horrid screenshot like this one.... but yeah it would be cool if they leak other unexpected character lol
 

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Heh, I'm talking about the series likely going into a reboot and the roster getting a cleansing and down sizing. I can't give a definite answer as it depends on how bold they start out with. But quite a few people were even questioning whether this game (before Everyone is Here) would do some massive cuts due to the roster size. Now we're at what appears to advertised as the peak of Smash Bros, so a down scaling feels very possible afterwards.
I am asking you what Roster size you want; therefore, it is easier to pinpoint how many characters are eligible for spots.


To put it out there in theory, the Mario cast would be first reduced by :ultdaisy::ultdoc::ultrosalina::ultbowserjr: with the core four remaining in terms of verterans. :ultmario::ultluigi::ultpeach::ultbowser:

Nobody compares to their level of iconic power for Nintendo.
Alright, so the starting (I assume) is set in stone.

And then depending on how much space allows and what new IPs or existing IPs grow, the Super Mario series would probably be a front runner for a newcomer. Toad is one of Nintendo's biggest icons and a reworked Peach may not need him. Waluigi has huge popularity with casuals... so they may throw the fans him instead. If it was a fair world, Toad would get in first. But it isn't.
So, newcomers are also determined by popularity and not relevancy to the series themselves? Please clarify how newcomer choices are made.

The final roster you posted is purely throwing words in my mouth. I'd rather not sit and go through the roster full tilt right now and deduce the full reboot roster.
I am only able to go off on what information you have given me. If you feel as though I put words in your mouth, then please give me more clarification on what your roster would be, since I am going off on what you said about why Krystal should not be in Smash and applying that logic (or what I make of it) to Ike.

It'd be far off anyways, but my biggest wonder is how much it will effect who and which newcomers we get now. Does he risk adding Captain Toad who may fade away soon/go back to normal Toad or why add Krystal when the series is flopping and may be dead by the time Smash 6 would be made resulting in the series not really qualifying for 4 characters? Meanwhile Metroid/Ridley and DK/King K Rool and AC/Isabelle are safe bets to still be floating down the road. Well King K Rool may not be himself, but the DK series will likely still be alive and well.
Isn't the future of the DK series uncertain just like Starfox? Sure, Starfox Zero did not do good and may be the last in the series, but no plans of a Donkey Kong game after Tropical Freeze has been announced. Metroid is good since Metroid Prime 4 is coming around.

I feel Isaac would need the additional push of being revived to help him out. And it's quite possible he may get the Pit treatment (hopefully better) and become a hard hitter. But at the moment, I'm starting to ponder if he's avoiding any off the grid picks this time around as we haven't seen any retros or console reps like Duck Hunt or Wii Fit.
Time will tell on that one, but it does seem as though he is.
 
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I'd take an Isaac leak. He'd be sacrificing his trailer hype to save us from our bad speculation, like a true saint
 

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Funny thing about Push saying the leak was most likely real (because "Smash 4 can't replicate Smash Ultimate's style"), someone pointed out the obvious retort.

That one Palutena leak from before the 3DS version came out.
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Anyway, it's kind of funny to me that :ultike: and :ultrobin both share Isaac's name (in ENG and JPN).

Ike is a diminutive of Isaac, and Robin is Isaac's Japanese name.

Just a fun little thing before I leave for the day.
 

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Funny thing about Push saying the leak was most likely real (because "Smash 4 can't replicate Smash Ultimate's style"), someone pointed out the obvious retort.

That one Palutena leak from before the 3DS version came out.
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Anyway, it's kind of funny to me that :ultike: and :ultrobin both share Isaac's name (in ENG and JPN).

Ike is a diminutive of Isaac, and Robin is Isaac's Japanese name.

Just a fun little thing before I leave for the day.
I'm thinking if this was a leak of Geno, Steve, or Isaac. People would be tearing the leak apart and scrutinizing every detail to prove how fake it is. But since it's Ken, who people have come to expect to be in regardless, it's more oh a, 'Yeah saw this coming.' kind of deal. Plus he's an echo and thus won't get the same heat as Isabelle initially (when everyone figured she'd be an echo) vs someone like Steve who'd be a newcomer on what is perceived to be an already limited amount of newcomers we're getting.
 

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Anyway, it's kind of funny to me that :ultike: and :ultrobin both share Isaac's name (in ENG and JPN).

Ike is a diminutive of Isaac, and Robin is Isaac's Japanese name.

Just a fun little thing before I leave for the day.
True !
Also, Ike's original name was Paris (we can even see it in early screenshots of the PoR's Beta). I wonder why they changed it... Well glad they did, I love "Ike" ! However I hate "Robin", which I find kinda plain and boring. Which is a shame, because his/her other names are great : Daraen in Europe, and Reflet in Japan (which is a french word meaning "reflection", which has a double meaning when you know well, Robin connexion with the player and a certain plot twist at the end of FE Awaneking)
 
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You know, I don't see why they wouldn't keep the echo characters, especially those such as Lucina and Dark Pit, in the event of a major series of roster cuts.

They would probably be really fast and easy to make, even if the roster of unique fighters was cut down significantly.
 

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You know, I don't see why they wouldn't keep the echo characters, especially those such as Lucina and Dark Pit, in the event of a major series of roster cuts.

They would probably be really fast and easy to make, even if the roster of unique fighters was cut down significantly.
If I recall, it takes them less time than it would a Unique Fighter to make 5 or 6 Echo Fighters. I remember reading that somewhere.
 

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Yeah well after finally catching up my hopes are wavering right now. STEVE?! The only thing I can think of as to why is a business deal and hopefully that's the ONLY reason. I'm really starting waver on base now. If anyone could just give us something to not hit me into anxiety mode that'd be great. :scared::urg: I know a lot of you here remain hopeful but I don't know.. no real credible leakers are throwing us a bone now are they?
Ahmm....

https://twitter.com/PushDustIn/status/1043125656542793728

This just was posted...
What do you think?

I'm really afraid of Vergeben being right, now with all the Steve stuff around....
There's a lot of red flags to be had from Vergeben. His 'sources' being a key one because apparently according to the man, himself, even random users on gamefaqs have been considered sources. Basically the one that told him no new DK reps that he admittedly doubted. But it opens a Pandora's box. Seriously? Random users can be considered your sources? If that's the case, what's the highest ranking source you could possibly have? If that's acceptable, that probably means you have absolutely nobody with any actual information about the game, just speculators.

He got stuff right of course... with a rundown Ridley, every fighter returning, Simon and Isabelle. That might sound impressive, but believe it or not there are people who have effectively done the same thing with just speculating. Mimique being a notable one, even getting ones like K. Rool and Chrom before their reveal trailers which not even Vergeben got with all his 'sources' and 'looking as hard as he could'. _Stealth is even noted for speculating Simon and a Castlevania collection when Vergeben piggybacked off of for his leaking purposes. From a bird's eye perspective it's not that impressive to get those things correctly. Ridley would be a leap of faith, but we have the ballot to work from and people still guessed him besides Vergeben. Simon Belmont would be one of the very few NES/SNES characters that has a series that has remained active leading up to modern times, similar to Pac-man and Mega Man. Many people were fishing for Simon. Isabelle... well, are you kidding me? Everyone and their mother (literally because they probably play Animal Crossing) was guessing Isabelle and he even thought it was an echo.

Before we move on, there's a lot to digest here that A LOT of people miss and bugs the hell out of me. I really want to get it off my chest with this post. The fighters he didn't get at all; Daisy, Richter, Dark Samus, Chrom and K. Rool. You might give him a pass on some of these characters, but the biggest red flag to me is Richter. Richter is the achilles heel of every 'leak' I've seen in this smash cycle that ages back that far. It's the smoking gun. Nobody got Simon AND Richter. Nobody. That torpedoes all the leaks into the abyss for me. That proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that your sources are no one special because think about how true sources of information would find out about Simon. Maybe they worked on the direct? On the game specifically? On localization? On translation? In what one scenario can you name would you just see Simon and not Richter? But then you just tell Vergeben Simon? Occam's Razor, man. He only got Simon because he made an educated guess with his sources. This is doubled down with K. Rool. Clearly knew nothing about him because the speculators he listens to just didn't think it would happen.

There's a reason he always talks that way where 'this sources usually comes through with valid info' and 'multiple sources are pointing to this' because it's probably technically correct. Just not the way you and I would define a source.

Now, we are up to current Vergeben stuff, and honestly he's getting into some trouble not for the contents of his leaking but how many things he's trying to collaborate with. I really feel as we draw on further, he's going to become a victim of too much information. That box theory he was going along with as well as the Samurai Showdown user with Minecraft Steve now. Contradictions will run rampant if things were never true in the first place. My favorite quote from Judge Judy is you can't tell the truth about a story that never happened. It's easy to see why he's been bitten in the past and it's because he listens to too many sources of information trying to lead him to some conclusion. It's another reason not to even believe the Samurai Showdown poster because it's a tack-on leaker. This is actually the same thing with that Dante leaker a month ago where they piggyback actual information they have with their own smash speculation stuff. I digress here, but you can kind of see where I'm going with this. It just turns into one big muddy pool of nothing.

It just makes sense to me because this is down to how vague he talks as well. It's a good defense; be as vague as possible and leave a way to escape things. And compromise on people who become your naysayers. You can see it in the people that follow what he has to say. They're willing to forgive him for faulty or outright wrong information by how he handles it and outright saying 'I don't know', 'my source said' and some of his backpedaling comments that not many people are aware of - one talking about Richter and one talking about Isabelle as an echo. Now, could Pokemon from Gen 7 who is definitely Incineroar now, Ken, some Squenix rep and Minecraft Steve be playable? Yes, the possibility is for sure there. But, honestly having thought it all over, it just makes sense to me now.

Imagine that he's in a discord that has 10 of his close speculating sources and they all predict how this game will be handled. Using data from what we've been given, of course a Pokemon is going to be among them. So they agree on that, but not specifically on who until a later date which ends up being Incineroar. Of course Ken because he just makes to much sense to anybody after hearing about echoes being a thing. A Squenix rep in the same way to remain vague and decide on it in the future, if at all or if they ever agree on it. It's still a safe bet, all things considered. Many people expect Geno to occur. And then finally Minecraft with how popular it is and the crossplay. Again, something that a bunch of speculators making observation patterns and educated guesses would clue in on.

And honestly? They could very well be right if they've been observing things the way they think they have. But just as much as I can see it happening, I can see it not happening at all. I really wouldn't be surprised in the least if there's no Incineroar, Ken or Steve anywhere in sight. It just all depends on the tilt Sakurai has for the rest of these newcomers. If they're the same as we've gotten thus far, you can kiss Steve goodbye. If this were an even worse version of Smash 4: Sellout Edition: Electric Boogaloo, then yeah. Here's Minecraft Steve, make sure you buy his game for the Switch =D =D =D.

For my money, I still can't believe with all these educated speculators, none of them are keying in on the Rathalos tweet in the least. Something that doesn't come from a random gamefaqs user. But Sakurai and the smash team itself. That's basically the only source of information I'm looking at right now and what makes me so confident despite all the fanfare that's occurring. Sorry for the long post.
 
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Why are people afraid even if Vergeben would be right about the Gen 7 PKMN and Ken. That doesn't confirm that Isaac won't be in it. He didn't predict characters like Chrom,Dark Samus, Richter and K Rool which means he doesn't know everything (if everything he says is even believable lol).

So whatever he says, it won't affect Isaac in the slightest.

EDIT: And I personally think that the Image posted from Ken looks horrible quality-wise xD So I will just wait and see if it turns out correct.
 
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Why are people afraid even if Vergeben would be right about the Gen 7 PKMN and Ken. That doesn't confirm that Isaac won't be in it. He didn't predict characters like Chrom,Dark Samus, Richter and K Rool which means he doesn't know everything (if everything he says is even believable lol).

So whatever he says, it won't affect Isaac in the slightest.

EDIT: And I personally think that the Image posted from Ken looks horrible quality-wise xD So I will just wait and see if it turns out correct.
because of the Box theory, most of Box believers also believe blindly on Vergeben, which itself its strange since both contradict each other, and Vergeben seems to be "Well, Box theory COULD be true but I think not" thats enough to box theorist take box theory as true, and in box theory we only have Ken and Incineroar
 

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Something I thought was interesting that probably means nothing....

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/stage/index.html

If you look at this page on a desktop (don't know how it looks on mobile) they could probably fit in 5 stages at the bottom of the stage list if they moved the "Super Smash Bros Blog" link somewhere else.

Just thought it was interesting how there was kinda a spot for five more stages with minimal shuffling necessary.
 
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This fierce fighter uses electric moves like Thunder Jolt and Thunder. Pikachu Libre is "one of the alternate costumes" and you can tell she's female by the shape of her tail.

Multiple costumes confirmed? Also I want to see Ditto Isaac now
 

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because of the Box theory, most of Box believers also believe blindly on Vergeben, which itself its strange since both contradict each other, and Vergeben seems to be "Well, Box theory COULD be true but I think not" thats enough to box theorist take box theory as true, and in box theory we only have Ken and Incineroar
Yeah I already made a post about that box theory thingy. And I don't get why that box is making some people feel unsure about the final roster.
Imagine we get one more Smash Direct, do people honestly think it will only include the PKMN and Ken? I don't think so at all.
It mostlikely will be something similar to the last one meaning something like 2 newcomers and about 1-2 Echoes.
And that's just me but I can also honestly see sakurai showing a trailer where even multiple newcomers can be revealed so everyone can die because of too much hype :D

What I am trying to say is, just don't buy the box theory thingy it's BS. Mark my words on this one!:ultchrom:
 
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I haven't been following the thread for a few days. Are we on the "Prima leak missing Isaac - DLC" train now or...
 
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