Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Metocles]

Guys guys... Clearly the best stage idea for Golden Sun is the Lamakan Desert. The battle will be constantly interrupted by one of the characters talking about the heat every 10 seconds.

Clearly, it should be the Suhalla Desert. Basically it's like Hyrule Castle stage, except there's 100X more tornadoes that come from nowhere to suck you away to Crossbone Isle where you have to fight an undead Pirate King.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Can someone explain to me the appeal of Pyra and Rex taking the JRPG slot?

Like Xeno blade vs Golden Sun Debates.
I feel like that’s xenoblade 2 is just fanservice the Nintendo JRPG.

Rex & Pyra would make a unique tag team duo where Pyra in the background would give buffs to Rex in the foreground when they're close to each other while he's able to do driver arts on his own and stuff, the cast of characters is amazing either way so it's no surprise they're so popular, check the official thread for more information. On the other hand, I don't know why one would get over the other just because they're both JRPGs. And that's a really bold accusation for one of switch's top 5 best games, monolith really put their heart and soul into xeno 2.

 

[Organization XIII]

About Sora first he is 100% Disney so Geno wouldn't get the short end of the stick because of him and I did suspect Cloud was negotiated for Ultimate at the same time as 4 so I wouldn't be surprised if he only returns as a Mii costume. Next, I mean I don't understand what people mean we they say he doesn't fit. He's a prominent video game character with all sorts of wonderful abilities that goes right along with the zany action of Smash. Also, Disney is cool with working Nintendo which we know thanks to a video by HMK where he talked to a Disney executive directly though his answers implied Sakurai hadn't approached him. Finally what kills this leak is Riku would be an echo. Not because there's no way Sakurai could get both like someone suggested but rather because they have different ways of fighting and some completely different heights and battle stances. It just very unlikely Riku would be able to be an echo.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Yes and no.
We could get Matthew as an AT and just that.



This was the fake leak (I’m on my phone so please excuse me)

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This would be perfect it only sucks a little because no geno but I'd take this

 

[Malkior7]

Yes and no.
We could get Matthew as an AT and just that.



This was the fake leak (I’m on my phone so please excuse me)

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I praise it for at least being different. I would honestly be totally okay with this though.

 

[Metocles]

About Sora first he is 100% Disney so Geno wouldn't get the short end of the stick because of him and I did suspect Cloud was negotiated for Ultimate at the same time as 4 so I wouldn't be surprised if he only returns as a Mii costume. Next, I mean I don't understand what people mean we they say he doesn't fit. He's a prominent video game character with all sorts of wonderful abilities that goes right along with the zany action of Smash. Also, Disney is cool with working Nintendo which we know thanks to a video by HMK where he talked to a Disney executive directly though his answers implied Sakurai hadn't approached him. Finally what kills this leak is Riku would be an echo. Not because there's no way Sakurai could get both like someone suggested but rather because they have different ways of fighting and some completely different heights and battle stances. It just very unlikely Riku would be able to be an echo.

I think the main reason is not because he couldn't work as it's obvious you could do any number of things with a Smashified Sora. I guess it would just be an odd inclusion considering all of the other characters we've gotten. Basically it would be another Cloud which is hard to envision, but, then again, Cloud was hard to envision too. Like I said, I'm a big KH fan, and I'd love to play as Sora. Just no clue as to how a Smash with Sora would look. It would be interesting for sure.

 

[Organization XIII]

I feel like after Snake there are no 3rd parties that are hard to envision

 

[tveye]

Personally, I would love it if Sora got in (especially with a Riku echo). He would be my second choice after Isaac (or third after Felix).

 

[LasermasterA]

Yes and no.
We could get Matthew as an AT and just that.



This was the fake leak (I’m on my phone so please excuse me)

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That's not that bad of a leak lol, it plays it very safe with most choices except Tapu Koko and Tails instead of Shadow.

I am not really expecting Sora so there's that.

Well, I'm atleast happy that now most leakers are including Isaac in their leak. That means we made a mark peeps, and now Isaac Is indeed one of the forerunners to become playable in Smash :D

 

[Pwnapplez]

Rex & Pyra would make a unique tag team duo where Pyra in the background would give buffs to Rex in the foreground when they're close to each other while he's able to do driver arts on his own and stuff, the cast of characters is amazing either way so it's no surprise they're so popular, check the official thread for more information. On the other hand, I don't know why one would get over the other just because they're both JRPGs. And that's a really bold accusation for one of switch's top 5 best games, monolith really put their heart and soul into xeno 2.

I don’t mean to make an accusation, just from all I have seen it’s been boobs and boobs and boobs. Every character I saw looks like they should have back problems. Look, fanservice is fine, it sells, however nothing from the game drew me in. Combat and such.

Maybe I blame the direct, when they showed it off it was so bland and boring it sucked all interest out.

I just saw a lot of arguments of how Pyra and Rex are better deigned then Isaac and deserve the spot.

I can’t let me judgment on the game or characters blind me from hearing out why people like Xenoblade
I just don’t like the argument of “they are cute, she’s pretty, he’s cool, big old ****** slurp slurp”

Regardless, I was just curious. Nothing against Xeno2

 

[DogManStar]

Deserving is a bad argument. No character is more deserving than any other to be included in Smash at this point.

 

[Arsenal234]

I was thinking last night about an Isaac reveal trailer and I figured I would share it with you guys. Strap in this will be long.

The trailer starts with Pit and Robin walking through the Venus lighthouse. Robin is looking at the design of the lighthouse and making notes in a small book. Whiles Pit is running around exploring the Lighthouse with excitement in his eyes. Pit discovers the lift and calls Robin over. Robin and Pit reach the top of the lighthouse, and Robin continues to make notes in his book. Pit notices a shadow race across the ground, as his expression changes from excitement to battle ready. The figure creating the shadow jumps towards Pit as he turns around to block the incoming attack with his bow. Pit quickly separates his bow into dual blades. The figure is revealed to be Saturos as he engages in combat with Pit. Robin notices that Pit is in trouble and pulls out a thunder tome and a bronze sword. Robin begins charging his tome as he notices Menardi quickly approaching him. Robin tries to put distance between himself and Menardi, but she closes the distance. Meanwhile Saturos is trading sword strikes with Pits dual blades. Saturos jumps away from pit and casts fireball. Pit deflects the fire ball with his guardian orbiters. Pit looks at Robin struggling to defend himself from Menardi's onslaught with concern in his eyes. Robin fires thoron at Menardi, but she dodges and swings her scythe at him. Robin barley dodges and his bronze sword and thunder tome are cut in half. Robins falls to the ground and begins to crawl away from Menardi in fear. Pit readies and arrow, but before he can fire he notices another fireball from Saturos and is forced to dodge. Menardi walks over to Robin and readies her scythe. As she is about to swing her scythe she notices and incoming attack. Ragnarok crashes in front of Robin as Menardi jumps back, regrouping with Saturos.

The fighting stops as a figure walks towards the conflict. The fighters all look at the approaching figure, but are unable to make out the person because of the sun in the background (similar to how King DDD looked when he was disguised as K. Rool ). The figure approaches as his scarf flutters in the wind. As he gets closer the figure pulls the Gaia blade off of his back and says "I'll handle these guys". As he comes into view the tagline "Isaac shakes the stage" appears on screen. Isaac then gets a gameplay montage similar to Simon Belmont, with a remix of his battle theme playing in the background. As the montage ends Pit, Robin (now with a fire tome) and, Isaac all rush Saturos and Menardi. Noticing the increasingly worse situation Saturos pulls out the Venus star and throws it into the lighthouse. A bright light erupts out of the lighthouse as it starts to shake violently . Pit jumps into the air and uses his wings to fly briefly. Isaac creates a stone pillar and holds onto it to keep his footing. Robin looses his footing and falls into the Venus lighthouse (someone has to die in these trailers am i right). Pit reaches his flight limit and starts getting lower to the ground. Saturos takes advantage of the commotion and knocks Pit off of the Lighthouse leaving Isaac in a 1 v 2 situation. The lighthouse reassembles and the duo waste no time attacking Isaac. As Isaac is fending off the duo he looses his footing and falls onto his back. Saturos and Menardi fire a powerful fire attack while Isaac is down. Before he is hit a stone pillar forms from the ground and blocks the attack. Isaac looks back as he is getting up. A figure walks towards Isaac with the Sol blade in his hand. The person says "I thought you were stronger Isaac". The figure is revealed to be Felix and the tagline "Felix ........ does something" (honestly it was pretty hard coming up with a second tagline) appears on screen. Felix also gets a gameplay montage similar to Richter, as a remix of his theme plays in the background. Isaac and Felix rush Saturos and Menardi as the smash ultimate logo appears on screen. The trailer ends with Pit using his up B to get back to the top of the lighthouse, only to find the conflict over with Isaac and Felix already gone.

I know some of this doesn't make sense in Golden Sun canon, but since it would be a smash trailer I figured it wouldn't matter.

 

[Frosty Pops]

DLC echoes could be the only thing free or severely cheap. For the most part, it appears that regular DLC costs appear to be based upon the work required to make them + licensing where applicable. Bundles are cheaper. Though I can't say for sure, as I'd have to look into the exact prices and do a lot of comparisons/math.

But yeah, paying for "what are almost entirely costumes on regular characters" isn't very popular. Even moreso, there were a lot of complaints on the Mii Costumes being overpriced for what they were. Of course, I didn't feel the Smash DLC was unfairly priced, but I get what the point is. When you're not paying for actual hard playable differences, you feel cheated. It's like how overpriced Amiibo Festival was, considering it only had two Amiibo. 30 dollars would've made sense for the actual content required(lots of amiibo).

On other games like League it is common for players to purchase skins for characters. But they are not shown to be a unique character with a copied moveset. They are only made so people could differentiate from other players and show their love for their favorite characters that they use. So in that situation it is clearly defined why you are buying the skins. Buying echoes is entering a grey area for some as it could make people feel like they don't have all of the games content, because they don't have certain "characters".

 

[Pwnapplez]

Deserving is a bad argument. No character is more deserving than any other to be included in Smash at this point.

No I agree,
No character deserves to be in Smash.

 

[TempestSurge]

That's not that bad of a leak lol, it plays it very safe with most choices except Tapu Koko and Tails instead of Shadow.

I am not really expecting Sora so there's that.

Well, I'm atleast happy that now most leakers are including Isaac in their leak. That means we made a mark peeps, and now Isaac Is indeed one of the forerunners to become playable in Smash :D

It is quite the turn of events from the beginning where Isaac being on a leak made people want to scream fake but now Isaac seems to have his place cemented in every new leak that pops up. Guess it wasn't just us crazy Golden Sun fans thinking that tweet was a hint.

Also I know the Neogaf leak has been cast aside and all that since it has Soren and Terra, who seem a bit out there, but I always found it interesting that it was one of the early leaks that listed Isaac as a newcomer right after K.Rool and Simon since that was still at the time before Sakurai's tweet and when Isaac was getting severely overlooked in the speculation community.

 

[DogManStar]

No I agree,
No character deserves to be in Smash.

Yeah, I was agreeing with you. I don't know anything about Rex and Pyra's moveset potential since I haven't played their game, but there's really no legit reason you could argue that they deserve to be in this game more than Isaac. Or vice versa even. I've seen people try to argue characters like Geno or Banjo are more deserving than Isaac, etc... I just don't think are any legit reasons to say a character deserves to be in the game more than any other. All of the popular choices that get thrown around in the community are all valid suggestions imo, and none of them is any more deserving than any of the others.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Deserving is a bad argument. No character is more deserving than any other to be included in Smash at this point.

Except a 4th party character.

 

[alguidrag]

For now I was thinking... no one is a surprise anymore isn't it? Like after E3 Ridley what could top that? K.rool and Simon was leaked by many leakers, Richter got more "I didn't see it coming" than anyone else except Ridley and Richter is a Echo! If Geno got revealed people would be hyped just because its the character they want, not because "DUUUDE SAKURAI IS A GENIUS I NEVER SAW HE COMING" or "WAIT, SO THE IMAGE AT THE START OF THE YEAR WAS ABOUT HIM?" or "OH MY GOD THE BACKGROUND THING WAS REAL! AAAAAAH" or "Man... Sakurai never stop making this unpredictable things right?"... dunno for me the "Geno is Lock" thing alredy killed his reveal for me... Like at least Skull Kid or Isaac could get one of the things above... its not Geno or Smash fault i think its his fanbase being to much "HE IS ALREDY HIM! THE BROTHER OF THE SISTER-IN-LAW OF MY GRAND FATHER THIRD SON THAT WORKS ON NINTENDO TOLD THIS TO ME"

 

[Pwnapplez]

It is quite the turn of events from the beginning where Isaac being on a leak made people want to scream fake but now Isaac seems to have his place cemented in every new leak that pops up. Guess it wasn't just us crazy Golden Sun fans thinking that tweet was a hint.

Also I know the Neogaf leak has been cast aside and all that since it has Soren and Terra, who seem a bit out there, but I always found it interesting that it was one of the early leaks that listed Isaac as a newcomer right after K.Rool and Simon since that was still at the time before Sakurai's tweet and when Isaac was getting severely overlooked in the speculation community.

If Verg “other Square character” leak is Terra the Neogaf leak could give some weight.

 

[DogManStar]

Except a 4th party character.

Yeah, that's why I specified "popular choices in the community". Some choices (which gain no traction) genuinely make no sense, and fourth parties definitely don't fit in Smash.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

This was the fake leak (I’m on my phone so please excuse me)

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Two Rayman ATs without a Ubisoft character is not happening. That's what stands out to me the most. Even a Creeper AT without a Microsoft character is pretty much just as outlandish, same with the random Level-5 AT (Layton), altho I could actually see that happening.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

On other games like League it is common for players to purchase skins for characters. But they are not shown to be a unique character with a copied moveset. They are only made so people could differentiate from other players and show their love for their favorite characters that they use. So in that situation it is clearly defined why you are buying the skins. Buying echoes is entering a grey area for some as it could make people feel like they don't have all of the games content, because they don't have certain "characters".

Keep in mind a lot of MMORPG's also cost money per month, so it's a money sink too. Smash isn't really the same thing. It's a one-done deal(well, bar something happening to your Nintendo account). It's a different set of customers.

But yeah, it's a grey area and very difficult to say. I've noticed many many hatred of Smash DLC due to feeling overpriced. Albeit, it's a minority of people, but it's still something to take into account. Sakurai is a major fan of DLC that is paid, as he doesn't like the idea of "saving stuff for later". So my guess is he didn't want high prices(not that he can obviously just put super low prices or make everything free. It's a business, and there is licensing. He worked with what he got and gave us at least a free 3DS stages remade, which does take work). Another costume came free as an auto-unlock if you bought the Mii Hat(or it was the Mii Hat when you bought the costume. But you get the idea). He tries hard to give as much free content as he can, but it's completely understand that he can't do so.

It's really difficult to say what'll happen with Echo DLC. Cheaper than usual seems likely, but I don't think they'd be free(though they might be effectively so if in a bundle, which considering they take less work than any regular character, well, in 4, I guess? Maybe they did take more work than usual in Ultimate. Dark Samus is a good example of this being possible. Chrom isn't nearly as much because only his Up B is somewhat special, and it's a tweak of Ike's, who shared literally the same body build as Chrom, meaning it was still super easy and took very little to do. Dark Samus having all these animations probably was harder to do).

 

[alguidrag]

Neogaf still got nothing wrong, unlike most leakers, so until something happens he is believable in my eyes

 

[Pwnapplez]

Except a 4th party character.

Uh, I think 50 Cent deserves his spot in smash

 

[Arsenal234]

Everyone was so happy seeing Dr. Mario Sakurai gave us Dr. Luigi too. On a serious note I can't see Sakurai not making Geno into a playable character this time around. I can't see Tails as an echo of Sonic instead of Shadow. I'm not even sure if Tails can throw a punch to replicate Sonic's jab and forward smash. If the Pokemon really is number 68 then I might pay attention to this leak.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

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Uh, I think 50 Cent deserves his spot in smash

"Will 50 Cent get his albums into the smash soundtrack? 50/10."

 

[Pwnapplez]

"Will 50 Cent get his albums into the smash soundtrack? 50/10."

Back Down
In da club (smash remix)
Many men
Disco inferno (smash remix)
Hate it or love it

I’m exited for the 50 Amiibo though

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Except a 4th party character.

Eh, no. That is too subjective as well. 3rd party non-game characters(4th party never existed and never will. Unlike 2nd party, which is created by the industry to tell apart from 1st parties, due to a lot of weird company ownership issues, but it's mostly meaningless at times and very difficult to define from 1st parties) are exactly the same thing as game third parties. They're simply characters that aren't owned by the parent company attempting to licensing. That's it. No more.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Eh, no. That is too subjective as well. 3rd party non-game characters(4th party never existed and never will. Unlike 2nd party, which is created by the industry to tell apart from 1st parties, due to a lot of weird company ownership issues, but it's mostly meaningless at times and very difficult to define from 1st parties) are exactly the same thing as game third parties. They're simply characters that aren't owned by the parent company attempting to licensing. That's it. No more.

But that aren't game characters.

No, even you can't say they deserve to be in Smash when Sakurai himself laughed at Spongebob and Goku in Smash.

I'm not considering them because they don't represent video games, not do they represent Nintendo.

 

[Organization XIII]

But that aren't game characters.

No, even you can't say they deserve to be in Smash when Sakurai himself laughed at Spongebob and Goku in Smash.

I'm not considering them because they don't represent video games, not do they represent Nintendo.

Actually considering what licensed games have done for video games that's not really true. They can represent gaming just as well but people ignore that for some reason.

 

[User Name String]

But that aren't game characters.

No, even you can't say they deserve to be in Smash when Sakurai himself laughed at Spongebob and Goku in Smash.

I'm not considering them because they don't represent video games, not do they represent Nintendo.

I mean I doubt he meant non video game characters.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Actually considering what licensed games have done for video games that's not really true. They can represent gaming just as well but people ignore that for some reason.

No. That's dumb.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But that aren't game characters.

No, even you can't say they deserve to be in Smash when Sakurai himself laughed at Spongebob and Goku in Smash.

I'm not considering them because they don't represent video games, not do they represent Nintendo.

3rd parties do not represent Nintendo in general. They're not Nintendo characters, so it doesn't matter.

And you're showing why it's subjective. Sakurai doesn't like the idea of them. Some do. Deserving is 100% subjective in every way.

Not that there's anything wrong with wanting Smash to only have video game-originating characters, of course. But yeah, I forgot to get to my other point. The subjectivity. All 3rd parties who exist have a completely subjective want. Though it is funny for Sakurai to laugh at two iconic character suggestions, but it's more he really doesn't believe they should be in a character-driven game franchise(which is understandable).

Though it is true that many characters that didn't originate in a game still have creating massive gaming history. That's the problem with the subjectivity. Sakurai's want is for characters with massive gaming history. Goku has that too. DBZ has a very influential set of games too.

 

[Organization XIII]

No. That's dumb.

Yeah, that attitude instead actually acknowledging what they have contributed to gaming is exactly what I was talking about.

 

[jweb23]

I don’t mean to make an accusation, just from all I have seen it’s been boobs and boobs and boobs. Every character I saw looks like they should have back problems. Look, fanservice is fine, it sells, however nothing from the game drew me in. Combat and such.

Maybe I blame the direct, when they showed it off it was so bland and boring it sucked all interest out.

I just saw a lot of arguments of how Pyra and Rex are better deigned then Isaac and deserve the spot.

I can’t let me judgment on the game or characters blind me from hearing out why people like Xenoblade
I just don’t like the argument of “they are cute, she’s pretty, he’s cool, big old ****** slurp slurp”

Regardless, I was just curious. Nothing against Xeno2

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a really good jrpg! Personally I’m not a big fan of Rex. He does grow as a character throughout the story but something about him just didn’t click with me. If I was in charge of what character from that game became playable I would choose Morag because she’s awesome.

Back on the topic of Isaac. I expect two directs to be coming soon. A Nintendo direct in about two weeks since they need to properly explain the upcoming online service as well as cover a few games for the fall. I expect a possible reveal trailer during it. Then of course a Smash Direct the first week of October where Sakurai will finally give us info on Samsh’s online. Possible 2 reveals again. Then one last Smash Direct at the end of November with possibly 2 final reveals.

 

[TempestSurge]

If Verg “other Square character” leak is Terra the Neogaf leak could give some weight.

Yeah a part of me was thinking how it'd be kind of crazy if the Square character ended up being Terra from the Neogaf leak since Verg is being a bit vague by not outright stating the character. But now that Sakurai has stated that he's referring to the ballot, characters he has listed like Terra and Prince Sable start to seem less likely. Another theory of mine is that Neogaf leaker could intentionally be mixing fake with real to not get caught as easily, well if he has a real source anyways at least lol.

Neogaf still got nothing wrong, unlike most leakers, so until something happens he is believable in my eyes

There is that whole situation with Galacta Knight being an echo but Meta Knight still having the alt, even the little unique design in the mask. Whereas other colors like Ike's 'Chrom' one and Dark Samus have disappeared as options. I think that's one of the reasons a lot of people have been claiming it as debunked, aside from Soren seeming like one of those characters that are hard to believe.

Though in general I find it hard to get behind leaks that list a roster of characters as it seems Sakurai has made some changes to prevent things from getting leaked as easily so I don't see Ultimate having a 'Gematsu' type of leak and why even Verg is talking in pieces here and there and confirming his sources instead of just giving this full list of characters.

 

[XenoWarriorX]

Yeah, that attitude instead actually acknowledging what they have contributed to gaming is exactly what I was talking about.

That's why they're called "licensed games".

Licensed games at that point would just mean anyone could get into smash. No matter what. You got a video game? YOU CAN BE IN SMASH.

Even a madden player can be in smash, because he was in a game that was influential to gaming history.

And that itself is the problem.

They are a Pandora's box that aren't meant to be opened.

So please don't take it like I'm ignoring this. I just think it's dumb from the start, since all it will do is make any licensed character allowed in a game like smash.

And as long as gaming continues to grow and make brand new characters, I don't see a reason to pull from licensed characters.

 

[alguidrag]

So... how many UNIQUE newcomers you expect? I expect at least 4 more in a maximum of 10 more

Yeah a part of me was thinking how it'd be kind of crazy if the Square character ended up being Terra from the Neogaf leak since Verg is being a bit vague by not outright stating the character. But now that Sakurai has stated that he's referring to the ballot, characters he has listed like Terra and Prince Sable start to seem less likely. Another theory of mine is that Neogaf leaker could intentionally be mixing fake with real to not get caught as easily, well if he has a real source anyways at least lol.



There is that whole situation with Galacta Knight being an echo but Meta Knight still having the alt, even the little unique design in the mask. Whereas other colors like Ike's 'Chrom' one and Dark Samus have disappeared as options. I think that's one of the reasons a lot of people have been claiming it as debunked, aside from Soren seeming like one of those characters that are hard to believe.

Though in general I find it hard to get behind leaks that list a roster of characters as it seems Sakurai has made some changes to prevent things from getting leaked as easily so I don't see Ultimate having a 'Gematsu' type of leak and why even Verg is talking in pieces here and there and confirming his sources instead of just giving this full list of characters.

Even the Galacta Knight thing is not 100% unconfirmed, also I was saying about his Original leak, which everything there was right and nothing too crazy aside from Chrom not being Ike's echo to say "It's trash, 100% fake" (And not even get started in the "Chrom Roy echo is obvious" because I have seem NOTHING about it before Chrom reveal, so it was not obvious, every leak with Chrom said that he was going to be Ike's echo) and at least the NeoGaf leak is more believable than the Gothitele + Gardevoir leak

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, that attitude instead actually acknowledging what they have contributed to gaming is exactly what I was talking about.

And such a bad one. Licensed games are a giant part of gaming history. A good example is the E.T. game. It's partially responsible for the gaming crash, before the NES was created. The one R.O.B. had to rescue the world from, essentially. The other game was the terrible Pac-Man Atari port. It was so terrible it was the only other game buried with E.T.

This is an example of a game that helped shape gaming history. A negative bit, but still a huge part of it.

 

[Organization XIII]

That's why they're called "licensed games".

Licensed games at that point would just mean anyone could get into smash. No matter what. You got a video game? YOU CAN BE IN SMASH.

Even a madden player can be in smash, because he was in a game that was influential to gaming history.

And that itself is the problem.

They are a Pandora's box that aren't meant to be opened.

So please don't take it like I'm ignoring this. I just think it's dumb from the start, since all it will do is make any licensed character allowed in a game like smash.

And as long as gaming continues to grow and make brand new characters, I don't see a reason to pull from licensed characters.

Ok but let's say a 4th party character got into Smash. Does it really mean anyone can make it? I guess you could claim it allows people to request whoever they want but they do anyway. I highly doubt this doomsday scenario of Smash becoming Mugen will happen mostly because the barrier to bring in 3rd party game characters is so high why would 4th parties fare any better? Any character CAN be in Smash but that doesn't any character WILL be in Smash.