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That's fair. I just feel like Mother is in a more unique situation. Like, we KNOW the series is done, so it shouldn't be THAT surprising we haven't seen anything new from it. But hey, I'm guilty of it too, so I'm probably not one to complain.
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I don't even care if the game gets a spotlight. I don't want it on NSO because then you don't get to keep the game. Nintendo needs to sell retro games like they used to.Gotta keep faith somehow
But I do agree, as nice as it would be for GS to get the FF7 treatment, I'd take any appearance on the Switch. They could bring over the GBA games for $5 and I'd be all over it. The only thing that would sting a bit is being part of GBA NSO, since then the games wouldn't have the spotlight. They need to be allowed to shine on their own to really succeed.
it really doesn't...
It really does.
We weren't in this specific position of being half way in a console life cycle with tennis and golf out of the way already, as i just explained, so i dunno what you guys were burnt before by, tbh. I certainly didnt have any gs expectations or any reasons to expect gs's return in all of these past years, up untill recently.
It's been done before with Tekken and Akuma and Geese Howard. I think if there was a push there might be more hope for a rep in a future fighter pass, but I think Isaac has a good shot for the next smash game, but there is a lot of support for females and villains so I thought Karst would be a good rep, but I haven't played the game nor know anything about it.Any representation would be good, but it would be confusing.
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Because Tekken has a different goal in mind with its guests/DLC. Smash wants "mascoty" characters and ones that are otherwise protagonists.
...that's not the real obstacle for promoting Isaac support tbh.
We would get another of the protagonists before getting an antagonist. Be it Felix or Matthew even.
Replying to myself here to add something also important to note that I forgot to mention…
It really doesn't. 3DS has Tennis and Golf, and they simply ended up working on Tennis again before doing a collaboration with Bandai Namco. They could just as easily be working on another collaboration, or could also have finally received the go-ahead from Sega to work on Shining Force 4. They could also choose to partner back up with Capcom to work on another golf game. As nice as it would be for them to work on Golden Sun, Camelot isn't strictly known for that.
What GS references does Super Rush have?
While I don't think Shining Force can be ruled out entirely, it seems to me that Camelot would prefer to keep working with Nintendo and personally it seems like a new Golden Sun is more likely than a new Shining Force. Who knows, if Famicom Detective Club can get a revival, anything can.
In Japan, they were probably slightly more popular than GS. Can't say much for worldwide since there aren't numbers there. Other Shining games aren't as popular though. Only reason Camelot might go back to it is due to Hiroyuki Takahashi expressing interest in making Shining Force 4 back in 2017: https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2...ss_is_keen_to_make_shining_force_iv_a_reality
Camelot doesn't always have to work with Nintendo. We saw back in 2008 that they made a golf game with Capcom (probably due to Nintendo not asking for a new Mario Golf at that time), so it seems that they are free to make whatever they want as long as they have a publisher willing to help out.
They don't have to work with Nintendo, but since first working with Nintendo in the '90s, they've made only one game for someone else (We Love Golf, the game you referenced, published by Capcom). Thus, I said that they "prefer" working with Nintendo rather than saying that they "always" work with them.
Considering Shining Force is just as dead, and Sega owns the franchise, and for that matter, didn't even bother to have the latest Strategy RPG localized, I doubt it'd be an option. It's not impossible, but it seems like there's no real interest in it. It doesn't help that despite it being a fairly notable Sega series from the start, it can't even show up in any fashion among the Sega All-Stars game. The most done is acknowledging they own it in the giant list.
Many (myself included) have speculated about Monolith Soft helping with the game. They have a massive infrastructure of support staff and plenty of worldbuilding expertise, so it would fit perfectly with the large world of Weyard.
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While that would be pretty cool, aren't they already working on BotW sequel and one of their own game ? Would they be big enough to support 2 big games + work on their own ?
Yeah, Monolith Soft is huge. They operate a dedicated team of support staff in Kyoto (they're based in Tokyo) and they've helped both the Zelda and Splatoon/Animal Crossing teams with their last couple games. So right now, it's reasonable to say they're working on BotW 2, Splatoon 3, and one of their own games (XB3? XBX port? Who knows). It's possible that they have less staff assisting with GS than normal, but it's still possible, especially if BotW 2 is nearing completion.
Well around 2010 they were a little busy making Xenoblade Chronicles, and they didn't do a whole lot of support work before then (they helped with Brawl, then Skyward Sword, which was their first support work with Nintendo's first-party studios).
Then yeah timeline wise it could work
While I love to get this optimistic as you do, and even sort of envy you for it... I really can't think of this way anymore ever since Mario Golf got announced while all the "sources" claimed they where not making a Golf game (ironically, I mistyped Golf as "Gold" there). Yeah sure, it was almost inevitable, I know that, and Camelot could use the money, am aware.
Again, They have stuck with Golf and Tennis for over 2 decades now. They aren't getting out of their area of comfort of work. Those are the sports they love and have experience with. They are known for making those 2 specific sports games only.
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Good point about how the Shining Force series doesn’t have precedence over Golden Sun when it comes to Nintendo. The games sold well when they first came out and Nintendo would have paid attention to that. This will make them want to remake/remaster the first two games and to improve the sales.Again, They have stuck with Golf and Tennis for over 2 decades now. They aren't getting out of their area of comfort of work. Those are the sports they love and have experience with. They are known for making those 2 specific sports games only.
Why does anyone think the only non golf / tennis full game that they have been involved with, was the collaboration that they did with Bamco? I'm of course talking about Mario Sports Superstars. The reason is simple, because that game had a golf and a tennis mode, which is what Camelot specifically helped with. They didn't do any collaboration with Square Enix's "Mario Sports Mix", because didn't have either Golf nor Tennis modes, it was a bunch of other different sports. They simply do not make other sports or help with other sports, period. It's not a coincidence, that's just how it always has been with Camelot. I can't stress this fact enough. To think that they are suddenly gonna change that with no precedent of them deviating from those 2 sports, is more unlikely than actually Golden Sun returning, lol. You might ask "why is that?" ? well, again that's because just like golf and tennis, they LOVE the world of Golden Sun and they loved making games of that series. They have said so themselves (the Takahashi brothers).
Camelot doesn't have the luxury of risking doing things they aren't experienced with, considering the budget that requires to make games as technology advances + they need to assure profit from what they make as the small company that they are. Hence why they have stuck with what they have experience with for all this time. It's business logic. They are not a big company by any means, they don't take risks beyond their expertise.
These are all Camelot facts that have carried over 2 decades, and still going as we can perfectly see. They are not opinions of mine whatsoever, nor rumors, nor leaks, or anything like that.
Shining force is more unlikely to return than Golden Sun, and this IS indeed the first opinion I'm actually sharing here in this reply. The series was only a thing when Camelot was tied to Sega in their very beginning as a company. That series weren't even games made for Nintendo consoles back then, but for the Sega Genesis, CD and Saturn. Could they be ported? uh… I guess…? big shrug Either way, I personally don't see more reasons to expect shining force, a series that wasn't on nintendo consoles, more than golden sun, which was on Nintendo consoles and it was quite successful.
( Fun fact: with the 3 GS games combined, they have easily surpassed 3M in sales in total combined. And if we just look at the first game alone, it sold about 1.6M, which is more than what most of the Xenoblade have sold, with the exception being XC2). And unlike GS, I haven't read anywhere that the devs have any plans of bringing shining force back… Golden Sun at least had Takahasi himself hypothetically thinking to bring the series back if a hybrid existed, which we just finally got a few years ago.
Anyways, I don't think I will be around much in this website anymore. I just gonna be honest, it's boring since we have talked over the same things over and over and all we can do is keep waiting and hoping. And whenever me and others want to be optimistic about GS or Isaac, all we get are random naysayers coming to the thread to be all pessimists and ignore FACTS like the ones I just shared. (By the way I don't mean you
