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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

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and this second pass being aimed as opportunities to satisfy fans.
I've read this multiple times in this forum, but don't think Ive seen any evidence. The last guy who said it even referenced Banjo, who was revealed before the second fighters pass.


I would love to see this spreadsheet if you're willing to share. I'm always curious to hear what characters others consider viable or likely.
Actually I created it with sharing in mind!! It's a constant work in progress.
 
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If memory serves, this is what Sakurai said when announcing the Fighter Pass 2.
There is one thing to worry about though: While Nintendo might've noticed people complaining about Isaac being an AT, they could also notice a rise in AT apologists alongside those that complain about them, and many cases where profit/pissing off those cringy boomers with their cringy Nintendo characters matters more than who'd be the most fun to play. Acting like Jonesy is a lock is the end result of the latter.
 
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I've read this multiple times in this forum, but don't think Ive seen any evidence. The last guy who said it even referenced Banjo, who was revealed before the second fighters pass.
I've been the one repeating it over and over again. Sakurai said this about pass 2 during the banjo presentation. More dlc characters in development was a thing already announced, which is what he is exactly talking about in that part, which obviously refers to pass 2.

Minute 24:22 when he says it (he starts the topic about 23:50 or so)

And yes, by that time pass 2 was already decided.
 
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I've been the one repeating it over and over again. Sakurai said this about pass 2 during the banjo presentation. More dlc characters in development was a thing already announced, which is what he is exactly talking about in that part, which obviously refers to pass 2.

Minute 24:22 when he says it (he starts the topic about 23:50 or so)

And yes, by that time pass 2 was already decided.
I thought it was locked in November.
 
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There is one thing to worry about though: While Nintendo might've noticed people complaining about Isaac being an AT, they could also notice a rise in AT apologists alongside those that complain about them, and many cases where profit/pissing off those cringy boomers with their cringy Nintendo characters matters more than who'd be the most fun to play. Acting like Jonesy is a lock is the end result of the latter.
this is the same team that keeps adding Fire Emblem characters despite almost unanimous ire, they don't give a damn
 

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A fun random thing
If Isaac has KOF style 'Super Specials', what would you give him?
Hmm...the only attack I can think of that fits a “super special” would be Odyssey. I’m just not sure what kind of mechanics Isaac could have to activate it. I know we’ve talked about a possible Djinn system for him.
 

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Hmm...the only attack I can think of that fits a “super special” would be Odyssey. I’m just not sure what kind of mechanics Isaac could have to activate it. I know we’ve talked about a possible Djinn system for him.
In that case I'd make it replace Ragnarok as his Side Smash (so functionality stays the same) when he has a Venus djinn set (or more).
Ragnarok working basically like Bayo's side-Smash. Odyssey starting as a "pin you in place" small sword and then the big one. Maybe a completely different launch angle, spiking the opponent and making them bounce from the ground to start combos. If used on as a ledge-guard it'd be pretty strong.
 

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By super special, basically a very strong attack. Sometimes it's related to a normal special, sometimed it's not.
Power Geyser would be the 'similar to normal special' one
alfred-waverider.gif

This is Wave Rider, and Alfred has no other specials that resembles this. It's just a standalone super special.
 
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As someone who strongly advocates a Golden Sun fighting game, I can dig it.

As people said earlier, Ragnarok/Odyssey make sense as one, and I'm partial to planet diver for another
 

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I never played him or played against him so I have no idea what you mean. Just stronger versions basically ?
Terry has a mechanic where, if he hits 100% damage, he gets a little "GO!" indicator under his icon and can use two super special attacks (Power Geyser and Buster Wolf) at any time until he dies and his hp resets. To do so you HAVE to input traditional fighting game commands, though in addition to the original commands from the Fatal Fury series there are also simpler commands in this game that can activate these two extremely powerful attacks. Also, these attacks aren't really powered up versions of other attacks, but completely unique attacks with different properties from anything else in Terry's arsenal; the closest any of his normal specials come to these super moves is Burn Knuckle to Buster Wolf, but even then there are clear differences.

As far as Isaac is concerned, I would not really give him a mechanic like this, for two reasons: one, he's not a fighting game character, so the complex inputs wouldn't make sense or have any origin. Two, the most logical way to give anything similar to Isaac would be by powering up moves like Ragnarok and Gaia into their stronger variations, which could also be accomplished by a "hold the button to charge" mechanic or through a more personalized mechanic that mirrors the Djinn cycle.
 
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As far as Isaac is concerned, I would not really give him a mechanic like this, for two reasons: one, he's not a fighting game character, so the complex inputs wouldn't make sense or have any origin. Two, the most logical way to give anything similar to Isaac would be by powering up moves like Ragnarok and Gaia into their stronger variations, which could also be accomplished by a "hold the button to charge" mechanic or through a more personalized mechanic that mirrors the Djinn cycle.
I was about to say this. But I would add that an hypothetic "super special" could also be some kind of summoning after using djinns
 

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I had Ragnarok in mind as a powerful super special you could only use if you had enough Djinn set (or standby, depending how they work a system like that in).

So the idea you could use Djinn for more powerful moves but you'd be slower and attack weaker until they're Set again.
 

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We've got a new fighter being revealed tonight. I'm glad they said so this year, I was planning on skipping but now I have to watch. I'm hoping it's Isaac, but it seems unlikely for TGA. My best guess is Geno, but I really can't get a read on this.
 

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It can't be Geno. Geno is a nobody to anyone outside of Smash bubble.

I hope we will get this:
And before we leave the RPG category, there's one more piece of important news.
A legendary RPG name is on its way back on Nintendo portable. A franchise that's been gone for quite a while.
After going dark 10 years ago, 2021 will bring a new dawn with Golden Sun Switch.

Insert trailer for Golden Sun Switch here

But wait, there's more!

Typical Smash Bros intro
But it will probably be a third party I don't care for.

However, I saw someone saying there were a rumor about Sora. What is it?
 
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We've got a new fighter being revealed tonight. I'm glad they said so this year, I was planning on skipping but now I have to watch. I'm hoping it's Isaac, but it seems unlikely for TGA. My best guess is Geno, but I really can't get a read on this.
Link for anyone curious. (Edit: Thanks Pinguino21v Pinguino21v , I'm slow apparently)

My opinion, an Isaac in Smash reveal by itself wouldn't fit, but TGA would be an excellent opportunity for a Golden Sun/Isaac in Smash dual reveal. If I had to guess what will actually happen, my money's on Crash since he's such a mainstream character and is technically nominated this year for Best Family Game (although, let's be real, that's definitely going to Animal Crossing).
 
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However, I saw someone saying there were a rumor about Sora. What is it?
Found it: https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/534692757


Kratos & Master Chief in Fortnite were meant to be held off until the show’s opening as a momentous occasion. PSN ****ed up and now MC is the only one they’re saving.
Scramble was supposed to be revealed in a similar way that Joker in Smash was, with the broadcast fake cutting out while Geoff was talking.
No More Heroes III is getting a full gameplay trailer.
RE Village is getting a full trailer showing “Chris”, actually some werewolf dude impersonating him.
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is getting a release date of February 12th.
Balan Wonderworld Showcase.
Monster Hunter Rise is getting a story trailer.
Crash Legends reveal, Crash Bash esque party game but with more variety in minigames.
Lego Star Wars trailer, shows off Legacy Mode, which enables the old grunts and sfx.
RWBY: Crescent Fall is shown. 4 player beat em up.
Scott Pilgrim Vs The World Complete Edition gets a release date. Scheduled for Christmas Day.
Something Kingdom Hearts related at the end. Yes. Its exactly what you think it is.

That may be believable.

In any case, it will start at 0:30 in the middle of the night for Centrale Europe. I'll see that when I'll get up.
 

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I don't really see Isaac being a Game Awards reveal, although god I would love it. I'd probably chuck my money on a character that the west considers more popular, since that's moreso the demographic for the Game Awards - Crash is probably gonna be my guess, but there's a few potential options not Fortnite please not Fortnite
 

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Found it: https://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/534692757



That may be believable.

In any case, it will start at 0:30 in the middle of the night for Centrale Europe. I'll see that when I'll get up.
Plausible leak, but obviously the Pilgrim date is wrong, and if P5S was actually supposed to be revealed there, I sincerely doubt they would have moved the reveal to two days prior when the run-of-show should have been locked in for a while. I also think Sora in Smash is a little too problematic to actually happen, but I could very easily be wrong on that, and TGA is the best place to reveal that short of E3.
 

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We've got a new fighter being revealed tonight. I'm glad they said so this year, I was planning on skipping but now I have to watch. I'm hoping it's Isaac, but it seems unlikely for TGA. My best guess is Geno, but I really can't get a read on this.
I'm expecting something that I won't like, but either way I won't bother staying up.

But something I'm almost sure of is that it won't be Jonesy. If Sakurai was forced to add a Fortnite character he wouldn't do it right after another character that builds stuff (he really cares about what gimmicks the Pass characters will have, remember?).
 
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If I'm not wrong, Altair and a Rabbid got mii costumes, but Rayman didn't, right?
 

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We've got a new fighter being revealed tonight. I'm glad they said so this year, I was planning on skipping but now I have to watch. I'm hoping it's Isaac, but it seems unlikely for TGA. My best guess is Geno, but I really can't get a read on this.
Isaac probably won't be revealed tonight....but I don't think it's impossible either. Especially if one of the new games revealed was a Golden Sun game. (remake or otherwise) I know that's a BIG if but still...

To be fair though....if we think that Isaac is possible....then he'll probably have to get revealed at some big event. Whether it's the game awards or at E3. There aren't many remaining opportunities for "low key" character announcements.

Like of the remaining four, one of them is being revealed at the game awards and at least one other is probably going to be revealed at E3. So it kinda narrows the possibile windows for Isaac to appear if he can only appear as a smaller announcement.
 
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Isaac probably won't be revealed tonight....but I don't think it's impossible either. Especially if one of the new games revealed was a Golden Sun game. (remake or otherwise) I know that's a BIG if but still...

To be fair though....if we think that Isaac is possible....then he'll probably have to get revealed at some big event. Whether it's the game awards or at E3. There probably aren't many remaining opportunities for "low key" character announcements.

Like of the remaining four, one of them is being revealed at the game awards and at least one other is probably going to be revealed at E3. So it kinda narrows the possibile windows for Isaac to appear if he can only appear as a smaller announcement.
Actually, if all our speculation on Golden Sun HD is accurate, they could easily announce that tonight, then announce Isaac in Smash during a "low key" Direct in the coming months. He hardly needs to be a big event character, and as cool as a dual reveal would be, I think Nintendo would prefer a major character drop at TGA than a more niche choice like Isaac.
 

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I think Nintendo would prefer a major character drop at TGA than a more niche choice like Isaac.
Was Joker considered a "major character drop"?

I know Persona is a really popular franchise, but it's always seemed like a "mainstream niche" kind of franchise to me. Sort of like Ace Attorney.

Not saying Isaac/Golden Sun is comparable to Joker/Persona in terms of popularity or "notoriety" but the idea that it absolutely has to be a character with massive mainstream appeal like Crash seems kinda weak to me.
 
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  430. Red Dasher
  431. Red Ryu
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  433. RegiGygas117
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  460. scoobymcsnack
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  467. ShadowGuy1
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  469. Shawnullah
  470. sheik93
  471. shellshocker18
  472. Shin F.
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  475. shocktarts17
  476. Shog
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  478. Silo777
  479. SirBillyBob
  480. SirCamp
  481. Skeleton o' Fun
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  484. Skyfox2000
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  486. Smash_Handle69
  487. SmashBro99
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  544. TehEpicRyuga
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  554. TheRealHeroOfWinds
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  557. TheSpaceKing
  558. The Stoopid Unikorn
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  560. THE TemporaryFool
  561. thethirdkoopa
  562. TheZoologist
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  567. TimeSmash
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  593. Warheart_666
  594. Wigglytuff ★
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  598. Xelion
  599. Xenigma
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  605. xNaz
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  612. Yoh
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  615. Young Horsetail
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  617. Ypsen
  618. Yuki Setsuna
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  620. YwhaletailY
  621. Zabadoo
  622. Zack 2
  623. zabimaru1000
  624. zagman505
  625. zaiman12345
  626. Zalaresh
  627. Zandro
  628. ZanZero
  629. ZarroTsu
  630. ZeldaMaster
  631. ZelDan
  632. ZestyÑ
  633. zferolie
  634. zmero_
  635. Zulyar
  636. Zuppo

If E3 was meant to have two reveals, then that other character who was going to be revealed there will be revealed now. E3 2019 had two character reveals, so this theory isn’t that much of a stretch.
 
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Xenigma

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Was Joker considered a "major character drop"?

I know Persona is a really popular franchise, but it's always seemed like a "mainstream niche" kind of franchise to me. Sort of like Ace Attorney.
I mean, yes? Not only is Persona (particularly P5) popular, but it's a fanbase that may not already be buying Nintendo consoles given the main Persona games were all on Playstation, so from a marketing perspective Joker was a good choice for that particular venue. Does that mean tonight's character has to be third party? Of course not. I'm just going by what little precedent we have, so I'm guessing we'll get something third party, and ideally a character popular enough to cut through the other news that will come from the show.
 

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Was Joker considered a "major character drop"?

I know Persona is a really popular franchise, but it's always seemed like a "mainstream niche" kind of franchise to me. Sort of like Ace Attorney.

Not saying Isaac/Golden Sun is comparable to Joker/Persona in terms of popularity or "notoriety" but the idea that it absolutely has to be a character with massive mainstream appeal like Crash seems kinda weak to me.
Joker's game was a GOTY candidate the year before he got in, so he already was on the audience's mind.
 

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Given that Doom Eternal was announced fairly recently, I could see the Doom Slayer being announced tonight.
Of course I hope for Isaac, and I think he'd have a shot with an announcement coming with GS 4/GS Remake
 

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Was Joker considered a "major character drop"?

I know Persona is a really popular franchise, but it's always seemed like a "mainstream niche" kind of franchise to me. Sort of like Ace Attorney.

Not saying Isaac/Golden Sun is comparable to Joker/Persona in terms of popularity or "notoriety" but the idea that it absolutely has to be a character with massive mainstream appeal like Crash seems kinda weak to me.
I'm kinda feeling this too. Wasn't this the show that Nintendo came with trailers for Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and Bravely Default 2 in years past?
 
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Guynamednelson

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If last year could end with a Fast & Furious game that looked like it was from the 360, and Nintendo once thought Cranky Kong in Tropical Freeze was TGA-worthy, is being "hype" absolutely necessary?
 
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