Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

[Cadillac]

Ok then, scrap that "game" idea.
Here's a better one: what do you think makes Isaac "complete"? By complete I mean the most important factor of him, design-wise.

 

[Silo777]

Ok, this game is about your 6 wanted characters, but you have to make a boxing ring title for them. Is it ok?

Let’s give this a go. I genuinely don’t have enough for 6, these are the only ones left.

Isaac, The Golden Boy
Ezio, The Master Assassin
Phoenix Wright, Ace Attorney

Honestly, I think Ezio is slept on a bit. Ubisoft is in great standing with Nintendo, Assassin’s Creed games have been on numerous Nintendo systems before and are being ported to the Switch, Assassins’s Creed is their most successful franchise, and he has great potential for a unique move set. Even though there are multiple Assassins, Ezio would get the rep because he’s still the face of the series to this day and is most recognizable, having a whole trilogy to his name.

Ok then, scrap that "game" idea.
Here's a better one: what do you think makes Isaac "complete"? By complete I mean the most important factor of him, design-wise.

God, I just hope his scarf is long and flows super cleanly through the air especially when attacking.

 

[Xenigma]

Here's a better one: what do you think makes Isaac "complete"? By complete I mean the most important factor of him, design-wise.

This one's easy for me: Judgment. It's such a slam-dunk option for Isaac's Final Smash that I genuinely have difficulty imagining them picking Ragnarok, Megiddo, or even other summons. The rest of the moveset could go any number of ways, but you gotta respect the classic Golden Sun summon.

 

[SonicLink125]

Ok then, scrap that "game" idea.
Here's a better one: what do you think makes Isaac "complete"? By complete I mean the most important factor of him, design-wise.

He HAS to be able to earthbend/plantbend for a lot of his attacks. That’s one of the BIG reasons that would make him stand out from the entire roster as no one can do that.

 

[clearandsweet]

I respect the above answers but I'd say djinn.

It's the defining feature of the game that makes it stand out from other RPGs. A moveset without a djinn gimmick, no matter how small, would always feel incomplete to me.

 

[Silo777]

I respect the above answers but I'd say djinn.

It's the defining feature of the game that makes it stand out from other RPGs. A moveset without a djinn gimmick, no matter how small, would always feel incomplete to me.

Djinn will, at the very least, have a Morgana-like role where they’re there but not really directly incorporated in the move set. I’m really interested to see what they could come up with when it comes to giving them a role. Especially considering that they’ll probably want to market Djinn as mascots of some sort.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Ok then, scrap that "game" idea.
Here's a better one: what do you think makes Isaac "complete"? By complete I mean the most important factor of him, design-wise.

I don't know if I'm getting the point across but the earth attacks have to feel big and strong and crunchy. Make Isaac the mighty mover of the earth he's meant to be.

Really, I think overall you have to go big and epic with Isaac's attacks because they're so visually big over the top and sadly I don't think Cloud represents the RPG tradition of super detailed attack animations (the most we got was Cross Slash and the summons on Midgar, so there's lots of room to grow).

 

[Kalaam]

I think the most complete we can get would be Djinn management, with element/class swap coming with it. That's unlikely to go that far, but if we go for "the best way to represent the game" for me that'd be it.

 

[Cadillac]

If we have Djinns, would it be similar to Shulk?

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

If we have Djinns, would it be similar to Shulk?

I see it kind of being a mix between Shulk and Hero if they want to keep things simple. If they do get a little complex with slight moveset changes and all that it could be a beast of it's own, although really I see the former possibility being more likely

 

[Kalaam]

In a way it could work similarly, on a passive way. But djinns have an active effect too.
To make it simple, imagine if Shulk could interrupt the buff of a Monado Art to do a special move (different for each of them) and put the Art into recovery.

That's kinda how djinn works. When they are set (equipped) you get a buff to some stats (like heavier weigth class and stronger knockback with a Venus one, more damage on Mars, lighter weight and faster movement on jupiter and something like overall better defense with Mercury.) those buffs probably wouldn't be as strong as Shulk's since they'd be "semi-permanent", but noticeable enough to change the way you play with and against Isaac. Maybe down-B would select djinns, and neutral B would unleash the selected one.

In the absolute best scenario, changing djinn would change the element and properties of Isaac's moveset. Most would be the same save for aesthetic changes and properties (like lasting hitbox, or reflective effect, or the knockback/damage) and maybe the recovery would change drastically depending on the current element.

That's how I imagine it, at least.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Personally I've always felt the defining feature for Isaac was the hand psynergy.

Puzzles were a huge part of Golden Sun and the hand psynergy played a huge role in how you navigated the world. To me I've always thought the hand psynergy was a very iconic part of the Golden Sun series.

That said if Isaac became playable I'd like to see the hand psynergy more closely resemble how it looks in the original games. I'd rather it looked more white than the glowing yellow colour it has now.

 

[Kalaam]

I think it'd be more faithful to the original game to have hand/field psynergy used for utility (grab, ledge grab, holding items etc) instead of actual attacks, like in Golden Sun.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I think it'd be more faithful to the original game to have hand/field psynergy used for utility (grab, ledge grab, holding items etc) instead of actual attacks, like in Golden Sun.

You're telling me you don't want to pound Mario into the ground like a game of whack a mole?

 

[Kalaam]

That would be downthrow
I feel like having the hands part of the main specials would be too much like "it's just the AT but playable".

 

[Cadillac]

That would be downthrow
I feel like having the hands part of the main specials would be too much like "it's just the AT but playable".

At least make Move his Side b. That's all I want.

 

[Kalaam]

I'd rather see move as the final part of his jab, pushing away the opponent a set distance to combo into a smash or a special.

 

[PhantomShab]

So I started playing Golden Sun on a gba emulator yesterday. Got to the entrance of that place up in the mountain. Been enjoying it so far.

 

[Pinguino21v]

I don't want a multi element moveset by switching djinns or whatever, it will be cumbersome and too hard to play.

So I started playing Golden Sun on a gba emulator yesterday. Got to the entrance of that place up in the mountain. Been enjoying it so far.

One of us! One of us!

 

[Kalaam]

I don't think it would be that hard, at least much less than Hero random menu. It would be complex, yes.
But the djinn system is quite deep, so it makes sense, to me at least.

 

[SonicLink125]

So I started playing Golden Sun on a gba emulator yesterday. Got to the entrance of that place up in the mountain. Been enjoying it so far.

Good good! You’re slowly becoming an Adept like us! :D

 

[Silo777]

Man, this is killing me.

At least in the first fighter pass we got to see Joker relatively quickly. It feels like we’ve known about this second pass forever and still don’t know anything about it. I think the thing that’s making the impatience worse is that it seems like Isaac has a genuine shot, as well as Golden Sun.

I’m starting to really worry that Nintendo is saving everything for E3 and we’re not gonna know jack until then.

 

[isaac3000]

I still believe if GS is actually coming (which I started to doubt ever since I read online some years ago there was Trademark thing going on about another series some years ago, but nothing ever came out of it, and I don't mean wrecking crew etc. even before that), it won't be Isaac but rather the new main character.

Or if it is Isaac, then adult Isaac (Ike and Ike are different either), but new protagonist is more likely imo.

 

[PhantomShab]

Made it to the next town. The weapon salesman gave me 2 game ticket things and I sold one back to him so I could afford a hat. I completely hustled him.

So what's with those trees that have what looks like oranges in them? I tried to grab them with psynergy but nothing happened.

 

[ZelDan]

Made it to the next town. The weapon salesman gave me 2 game ticket things and I sold one back to him so I could afford a hat. I completely hustled him.

So what's with those trees that have what looks like oranges in them? I tried to grab them with psynergy but nothing happened.

Do you have catch psynergy? I think that's what you need to get those items in the tree.

And the items in the trees are nuts. they heal 200 HP I believe?

 

[Kalaam]

You have to be at the right place to catch those, it's a bit clunky to be at the right distance. You always need to be at the same height as the base of the tree too.

 

[Undella2]

I, personally, believe that, if Isaac got in, it would be better to use his Dark Dawn design than his TBS/TLA design.

Even though it's arguably less iconic, it would make him stand out more from his assist trophy/mii costume, at least in my opinion.

 

[Xenigma]

Man, this is killing me.

At least in the first fighter pass we got to see Joker relatively quickly. It feels like we’ve known about this second pass forever and still don’t know anything about it. I think the thing that’s making the impatience worse is that it seems like Isaac has a genuine shot, as well as Golden Sun.

I’m starting to really worry that Nintendo is saving everything for E3 and we’re not gonna know jack until then.

I doubt we'll be waiting quite that long, but it does feel something should have happened by now, be it the latest Nintendo Direct or whatever else. The realization came for me this week when I was double-checking my wish list on my Switch and realizing I still hadn't bought FP2, and further realizing that there was still almost no reason to buy FP2. Like, what am I throwing money at right now? A BotW Mii Costume I likely won't use? The six characters we don't know the identities of, nor how soon any of them may release? An unnecessary assurance to Nintendo that Smash is indeed still popular? Realistically, I don't doubt FP2 will eventually be well worth buying, but as of now I'm happy to hold onto my money.

 

[PhantomShab]

Do you have catch psynergy? I think that's what you need to get those items in the tree.

And the items in the trees are nuts. they heal 200 HP I believe?

Yeah I got that before leaving town. I'll go back and use it on that tree in Vale. Thanks lol.

 

[Silo777]

I still believe if GS is actually coming (which I started to doubt ever since I read online some years ago there was Trademark thing going on about another series some years ago, but nothing ever came out of it, and I don't mean wrecking crew etc. even before that), it won't be Isaac but rather the new main character.

Or if it is Isaac, then adult Isaac (Ike and Ike are different either), but new protagonist is more likely imo.

I could agree with this, unless the game in question that we might be about to receive is a remake. In that case, there’s no new protagonist to choose from and nobody else to make into a fighter except Isaac. Wouldn’t make too much sense to make it his adult self either, that would just confuse people who are playing Golden Sun for the first time on the Switch. I like that design don’t get me wrong, but why would you pull an iteration of Isaac from by far the least popular game that isn’t the game getting a remake? In that case, young Isaac is really the only sensible option if they want to put someone in Smash, which is exactly why I think he’s likely as opposed to other ATs in this scenario.

 

[SonicLink125]

You know, they could take the “Hero” route and have Isaac, Felix, Matthew AND GS4 Protagonist (if we’re getting GS4) all in one. That would be a great!

Bayo has felt the #GoldenSun 's power on accident & now she's having trouble using her own power. Strange...#SmashBros #AssistAlliance pic.twitter.com/fE276LySfh

— SonicLink125 ☀️ (@SonicLink125) March 5, 2020

The one where Bayo is inside the Barrel still makes me chuckle.

 

[ZelDan]

I, personally, believe that, if Isaac got in, it would be better to use his Dark Dawn design than his TBS/TLA design.

Even though it's arguably less iconic, it would make him stand out more from his assist trophy/mii costume, at least in my opinion.

Eh, AT/Mii costume be damned, I want to see Isaac in his GBA design, as I like those games way more than the DS one.

Or if redundancy with the AT and mii costume is really that much of an issue, atleast do a hybrid of Isaac's young and old design (something similar to Kalaam's avatar basically).

 

[FlawedAI]

My personal preference would be Isaac's classic GBA design, then a mix of the GBA design and the Dark Dawn trench coat, then the straight DD design. The GBA look is by far the most iconic and is what Isaac looks like to many, even outside the Golden Sun fanbase.

 

[Cadillac]

I, personally, believe that, if Isaac got in, it would be better to use his Dark Dawn design than his TBS/TLA design.

Even though it's arguably less iconic, it would make him stand out more from his assist trophy/mii costume, at least in my opinion.

I personally don't really like his DD face, so maybe he could work like Cloud and have one alt the GBA design and have his other alt a young Isaac with the blue Trench coat?

 

[N3ON]

What's wrong with looking like the AT/Mii costume? That's what Isaac looks like.

Don't want to sacrifice the well-known look from the games that actually made people fans just so that the character looks distinct.

He'll look distinct by the fact that the AT would probably be disabled when he's around (and even if it's not, it's not like it shows up that much) and the Mii costume comes with a giant freaking head. Plus aren't there Mii costumes for characters like Captain Falcon, Samus, Chrom, Inkling, etc?

 

[Organization XIII]

I don't really care so much about what he looks like, I just want him on the roster. If I had to pick I'd want his default to be his original look with a jacket alt. I mean the people who are going to think he looks uninteresting aren't the people who will get him on the roster so who cares about appeasing them? I just want him to encompass as much of Golden Sun as they can fit into the character. And a part of that is including the look that he had when we first got to know the character.

 

[N3ON]

Idkkkkk, I'd be bothered by Isaac's appearance not being his classic look. DD as an alt would be fine, but it'd be like getting Mega Man except in his Star Force form. It's like... I want "Mega Man" Mega Man (or X). No offence to the fans of that, but I think the seminal aesthetic is the one worth using first.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

The problem with his Ultimate model is mostly his face, lower poly model and his weird pose but those are all things I could see being easily fixed if he gets his due as a fighter

 

[Cadillac]

I'm ok with the pose, but please fix his face. Pretty sure his eyes are 2d textured.

 

[PhantomShab]

Made it to the 3rd town, Bibildi I think it's called. There was a Djinn in Vault but I couldn't find a way to it. If you go too far up you just end up leaving the town. Some people said they have a cemetery but I couldn't find that either lol.