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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday
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Xenigma
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I'm personally okay with them (it's like a mini-E3 with commercials), but there's certainly no guarantee that Smash will show up there again. Joker as a surprise TGA 2018 reveal made sense; skipping TGA 2019 and showing Byleth later also made sense. I guess it depends on just who will be showing up in FP2 as well as expected release dates, because it has to be worth Nintendo's time/money to show off during a non-Direct.
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They're not likely to save GS for 2021. Camelot puts out new games bi-yearly, so they're due for another one this year.
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2021 isn't completely out of the question. If Camelot needs more time to polish up the hypothetical new Golden Sun game delaying it to next year wouldn't be far-fetched. They may save it for the 20th anniversary next year if that's what their plan is. But all in all I think this year is more likely.
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I think we'll see an announcement at E3 (along with Isaac in Smash) with a late 2020 early 2021 release date. GS isn't a big franchise for Nintendo, so they have no incentive to release it during the holiday season (especially against XBDE), so I think a early next year release is more likely. Honestly, the franchise's anniversary is more of a coincidence than anything.
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Ok, I'm gonna write my wishlist for Fp2 here:
1. Isaac. My favorite Assist Trophy. Didn't really have much hope in fp1 but now we have 6 chances for Isaac. Golden Sun's 20th anniversary is next year, what's a better way to celebrate than adding Isaac as a fighter? Bringing Isaac in as a fighter would be good for his fans like us and break one rule: Assist trophies cannot be promoted into fighters in the same game.
2. Hornet. Hollow Knight is one of the popular indie games not yet represented in Smash. She would be unqiue fighter, a spear user with good mobility, circular aoe attack and projectiles, also with a meter. We might be able to yell 'Git Gud' at our opponents, as well. We're getting Silksong in 2020, and adding Hornet as a fighter with the release of Silksong would be internet-breaking and promotinal, as well as breaking another rule: No indie game characters as actual fighters.
3. Lloyd. Never played any Tales of series, but I watched the whole walkthrough of Symphonia and I loved it. With his dual wielding and fast strikes, he could be a swordsman with great combo potential like the fighting game characters.
4. Arle. Like with Lloyd, never played Puyo Puyo, but a we don't really have much of actual mage characters. She has lots and lots of magic, as well as lots of Puyos. She might bring new mechanics such as stacking Puyos in a match, or like in fan movesets swing them at enemies to deal different elemenal damage.
5. Ryu Hayabusa. Was the frontrunner for the last pass until he got deconfirmed. We don't have much ninja-styled fighters, and I'm pretty sure none of them uses a katana. He would bring other weapons like in the older Ninja Gaiden series or have crazy combo actions like Lloyd.
6. Sora. THE internet breaker and arguably one of the most popular characters worldwide. With his keyblade and bunch of magic, he could be really fun to play. I saw him flying and moving in the air just by swinging his keyblade. I'm pretty sure I heard Disney had no problems with Sora getting in, and putting Sora in fighter no.6 or 11 would be a great way to start off the pass, or end the pass with a bang.
These are the 6 characters I would like to see, but they're probably gonna add a Pokemon of some sort. Among the Sw&Sh Pokemons I expect Toxtricity or Urushifu.
1. Isaac. My favorite Assist Trophy. Didn't really have much hope in fp1 but now we have 6 chances for Isaac. Golden Sun's 20th anniversary is next year, what's a better way to celebrate than adding Isaac as a fighter? Bringing Isaac in as a fighter would be good for his fans like us and break one rule: Assist trophies cannot be promoted into fighters in the same game.
2. Hornet. Hollow Knight is one of the popular indie games not yet represented in Smash. She would be unqiue fighter, a spear user with good mobility, circular aoe attack and projectiles, also with a meter. We might be able to yell 'Git Gud' at our opponents, as well. We're getting Silksong in 2020, and adding Hornet as a fighter with the release of Silksong would be internet-breaking and promotinal, as well as breaking another rule: No indie game characters as actual fighters.
3. Lloyd. Never played any Tales of series, but I watched the whole walkthrough of Symphonia and I loved it. With his dual wielding and fast strikes, he could be a swordsman with great combo potential like the fighting game characters.
4. Arle. Like with Lloyd, never played Puyo Puyo, but a we don't really have much of actual mage characters. She has lots and lots of magic, as well as lots of Puyos. She might bring new mechanics such as stacking Puyos in a match, or like in fan movesets swing them at enemies to deal different elemenal damage.
5. Ryu Hayabusa. Was the frontrunner for the last pass until he got deconfirmed. We don't have much ninja-styled fighters, and I'm pretty sure none of them uses a katana. He would bring other weapons like in the older Ninja Gaiden series or have crazy combo actions like Lloyd.
6. Sora. THE internet breaker and arguably one of the most popular characters worldwide. With his keyblade and bunch of magic, he could be really fun to play. I saw him flying and moving in the air just by swinging his keyblade. I'm pretty sure I heard Disney had no problems with Sora getting in, and putting Sora in fighter no.6 or 11 would be a great way to start off the pass, or end the pass with a bang.
These are the 6 characters I would like to see, but they're probably gonna add a Pokemon of some sort. Among the Sw&Sh Pokemons I expect Toxtricity or Urushifu.
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I'm not sure if he would not be realizable, he's already in a traditional 2D fighting game and there should be room for Sakurai's own take on him.
Inb4 Broken Seal remake in 2020 and Lost Age remake in 2021, be it an update, DLC or separate game.
Camelot puts out new games bi-yearly because their typical output is sports games, which are less time intensive to develop than RPGs. It's not a question of "saving" GS until 2021. It's that, if GS were in development, it might not be ready until 2021.
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I'll do it too. I will also do several wild guess around the characters themselves.
- Crash: there have been a dude on Twitter leaking Byleth and other stuff correctly. He is guessing Crash as FP6. It seems he was just a troll, but let's consider it true anyway, Crash is possible and would indeed be a start of the pass like was Joker: outstanding.
He'll be shown at the end of the month, around the time the pass is made available. - Steve/Sora: shown at E3 2020. I believe that Microsoft is still in the game. And I also think Sakurai and Disney would find an agreement.
- Isaac: during a Nintendo direct at the end of 2020, tied to an announcement of a game coming 2021. A remake for the anniversary?
- Phoenix Wright: in a Nintendo Direct
- Steve/Sora: shown at E3 2021
- Elma: during a Nintendo direct at the end of 2021, tied to an announcement of a remake of XCX or a new XCX2. It will be way after XC:DE launch, they will have time to work on it. And the pass will end, like always, on a relatively less hype inducing character.
- I hardly believe in Doomguy and Master Chief. They may represent FPS, but they are really not well known in Japan and that's a dealbreaker.
- I was expecting Rayman when I saw the Ubisoft Mii costume, but there are two dealbreakers: he is not renowned in Japan either, and these Mii costumes would have been launched aside Rayman at a later date.
- Geno, Ruy Hayabusa, Lloyd, Dark Souls, Travis, Arle and Shantae are still possible, but I have a hard time believing in them to be that big, especially considering the general public and not only the microcosmos that is the Smash hardcore community. They wouldn't be big selling contents toward the general public. Geno may totally become a Deluxe Mii costume however.
- Waluigi isn't going to get upgraded, he doesn't bring that much new content. That's also the case for several other first parties of existing franchise: Dixie, Bandana Waddle Dee, Krystal... Even Rex, who is in the end "just" a swordfighter.
- Other unrep first parties, like Andy, Ray, Chibi Robo, Rythm Heaven rep, etc., may take a spot of one of the first party, but I don't feel it can happen without a new game.
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Did Isaac hint at getting into the roster?!
lolSeriously though, I’m so glad that we’re now finally focusing on Fighter Pass Vol.2! To be honest, I’m glad that Byleth was FP5 so that the idea of “DLC can only be 3rd Party” is gone and that Nintendo characters are still on the table for DLC. I’m excited!
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Not to mention they wouldn't waste a WHOLE YEAR of trademark lifetime after it just got approved in late 2019, lol.
Were there not a handful of other minor series which saw their trademarks renewed in conjunction with Golden Sun?
For them to all show up, let alone this year, seems a bit past plausible to me.
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That's a good point until you remember that Dark Dawn was made in a two year cycle as well
I was also never saying it had to be early this year
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This isn't a renewal, this is a brand new trademark, by NoJ. NoJ isn't the one to bother with renewals, so it's not even the same case as those other trademarks you might be thinking of.
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IIRC, there wasn't any "renewals" so to speak but there were plenty of new trademarks issued for franchises that had an expiry date comig soon. Golden Sun was apart of that group alongside others (Rhythm Heaven, Punch-Out, Sin & Punishment, Style Savvy, Endless Ocean, etc). Of course, a new Golden Sun can happen regardless, sure but I wanted to throw that out there.
Ironically enough, there were a lot of franchises that got trademarked outside trademark renewals but they had more to do with franchises in Smash represented with a Fighter or Stage (having their own series logo). Advance Wars & Wario Land were trademarked outside of any expiry date as well which could potentially hint at those two happening.
Ironically enough, there were a lot of franchises that got trademarked outside trademark renewals but they had more to do with franchises in Smash represented with a Fighter or Stage (having their own series logo). Advance Wars & Wario Land were trademarked outside of any expiry date as well which could potentially hint at those two happening.
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Xenigma
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As a fan of said game (I miss Mahvel so much), it's less "Can Phoenix Wright work?" than "Does Sakurai think he'd work?". Smash is different enough that the answer isn't immediately obvious, and his moveset in UMvC3 was pretty weird regardless. Obviously I'm leaning towards Sakurai not bothering, assuming Phoenix is even on his radar, although I could of course be wrong.
I'm not sure a lack of Japan popularity would rule out Doomguy and Master Chief given just how famous and important to the FPS genre their two franchises are, but it's hard to say either way. Similarly I think it's probably too early to rule out Rayman when he didn't get a costume alongside the other Ubisoft picks, much like how it is odd Geno's costume remains MIA despite his popularity seemingly at an all-time high. I'm also surprised you wouldn't consider series like Ninja Gaiden, Dark Souls, and No More Heroes to be mainstream, but that sort of thing is obviously subjective. In any case I do enjoy seeing this sort of speculation, particularly differing viewpoints I wouldn't consider otherwise.
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...except you can't just register a trademark for no reason. There has to be a justifiable reason for that trademark to have to happen, which is provided prior to the trademark's in statement.
Plus, there's still an active trademark for GS from 2001 that still has a year left on it, and had 3 at the time of the new one being submitted.
Plus, there's still an active trademark for GS from 2001 that still has a year left on it, and had 3 at the time of the new one being submitted.
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When your child wants Golden Sun, you know you did good as a parent. Lmao
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Ya King K. Rool especially would have never been here if not for the hard push the fans gave him. I still can't believe they held Isaac off like that. They had to of known.. Or then again.. Maybe they didn't. They seemed super surprised ANYONE even wanted K. Rool and threw us the mii outfit real quick to compensate. So maybe all the Isaac support is baffling to them also. Who really knows..
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I’ll never understand how Isaac was supposedly a big surprise to them. Almost every major poll you find on the internet about wanted characters Isaac is always near the top.
The thing that sucks the most as well is Isaac is essentially a first party character. You’d think Nintendo would look at that and be like “Well, ****.... There’s still quite a few people who care about this series we have. Maybe we should give it another chance considering it actually was successful except for the third game (which still didn’t do terrible) which we hardly advertised and released on the DS just months before the 3DS came out.”
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Dude that post's from June
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I agree. Never understood what Nintendo was thinking there. ><
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Almost all the franchises that were trademarked in 2008-2009 had a new trademark filed because the updated trademark from that time became obsolete. Why all those franchises? I really don't know.
Elite Beat Agents also got a new trademark so make of that as you will lol. It didn't even have any trademark filed before then.
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Those specific ones are most likely getting some form of new release, whether that be a port, collection, remake, or new game. I'm fairly convinced of Sin & Punishment in particular, since Treasure's been really silent for two years despite saying they had been getting project requests, etc.
The trademarks also apply for product still being produced on the market, which explains Style Savvy, since 3DS games are still being printed.
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I mean FE hasn't had a new trademark filed by NoJ since 2006 and it produces more games than I can count.
Also, something like Endless Ocean was trademarked along with Elite Beat Agents so it's hard to say all of it means something.
Despite all of this, I do believe a new Golden Sun is likely whether it's a remake or a new game for reasons I meant here. I just wanted to bring this up as all the 2008-2009 trademarks were renewed meaning it's unlikely to mean much on it's own.
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Yes, I already made note of that. All of the franchises I mentioned were new trademarks filed to replace the old ones from 2008-2009. Some were trademarked after 15+ years of not having any new trademarks, and others like EBA only got it's first trademark now.
IIRC, renewals are only a thing for Western trademarks. The Japanese ones only have new trademarks to replace the old ones or expand what the old one covers.
But like I said, a new Golden Sun is looking likely regardless of this.
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Until Camelot finally reveals what they've been working on.
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It's going to be amazing witnessing how much this thread will explode once a new Golden Sun game is hopefully revealed
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The same can be applied once it is a Mario Golf.
Isaac: Venus Adept
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I would be in a rollercoaster of emotions.
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About all of us will be that day. My only hope is that Isaac has been considered and promoted to help promote a new GS game. That would be amazing!
Litteraly the best way to use a shill pick.