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Guide Storytime with Cranky: A Diddy Primer for 3.0

GuruKid

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DK's buddy toys with foes using nimble acrobatic moves. - Brawl manual description

He scrambles around the battle, using whimsical fighting moves while wielding both his Rocketbarrel Boost and Peanut Pop Gun! - Smash Bros DOJO!! description

Diddy Kong finally made his Project M debut in Demo 2.5 and while his moveset may still feel familiar in the transition from Brawl, many aspects of these moves have received quite a few tweaks. This resource is intended to educate players both new and unfamiliar to our favorite monkey in the changes, intended uses and general properties of his moves.
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Disclaimer: Because a major goal of the developers is to see how players naturally receive the new additions, this guide will be less of a tactical guide but more of a moveset overview (general use, changes from Brawl, pros/cons, notable properties, etc) according to the intended design behind the character. In the future, as quality video footage and discussions circulate, this guide will go more in-depth with discussing strategies.

Lastly, many of my opinions stated regarding these moves may indeed turn out to be inaccurate as the metagame progresses, so feel free to (kindly) debate anything I say. If Diddy players end up finding different uses for moves than what was initially prescribed then great! I'm always eager to discover alternate uses and strategies for moves, so please share them with your fellow Diddy players! And as always, suggestions to this guide and general questions are welcome.

Props to Ryoko and his Zelda primer on Smashmods for partly inspiring the idea and structure of this primer.

Now then... right on to this whippersnapper's moveset!
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Normals
Jab Combo
+
+




Total: 25
Hit: 3-4
IASA: 20
Input Window For 2nd Jab: 3
2nd Jab Starts: 6
Damage: 3​



Total: 28
Hit: 5-6
IASA: 18
Input Window For 3rd Jab: 2
3rd Jab Starts: 9
Damage:2​



Total: 30
Hit: 9-10
IASA: 26
Input Window for Rapid Jab: 4
Rapid Jab Starts: 13
Damage: 5


Minimum Duration: 45
Startup: 5
Hits (After Startup): 2, 8, 13, 15, 20, 23 (looped)
Damage: 2, 1 (tail end)

The ol' 1-2 slap combo that ends with a mocking horse kick. Jab retains its title as Diddy's fastest move as the hitbox of the first attack emerges frame 3. It also still offers solid followups following either jab (moreso the first than the second) including Dtilt/grab at mid percents, and Dsmash/Nair at later percents.

Perhaps the most notable change with the jab sequence is that the third jab string (the kick) no longer automatically chains into his rapid jab (the tail whip), making it similar to Falcon's jab (the "Gentlemen"). Now you can input a standard 3-hit jab combo to rack up damage without worry of whiffing the optional rapid jab, and getting punished because of it.


Thankfully, rapid jab is not rendered useless even with the above change but still maintains situational use due in part to the reduced Smash Directional Influence (SDI) multiplier on its hitboxes (Brawl had the SDI potency double the normal amount!). This allows you to get some more damage in and give you a bit more time to gauge when to safely end the attack while your opponent is still mashing to get out. Also remember that - like in Brawl - Diddy's tail has no hurtbox, so this attack is fairly disjointed (in the spectrum of Diddy hitbox disjointedness, anyway).​


Cranky said:
The jabs link together more reliably now. The angles and weight knockback of each hitbox are homogenized with each attack, and Jab1 does 3 damage now while Jab2 does 2 damage. Jab3's (the horsekick) base knockback is slightly higher and so sends the opponent a bit farther horizontally.

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Forward Tilt Attack (Ftilt)
/
+




Total: 37
Hit: 10-13
Damage: 11​

A decently ranged, angle-able double-fist kill move. A key feature to note is that the KO potency of this move increases (launch angle decreases while damage and knockback growth increase) as you near the move's sweetspot, which is right on Diddy's fist as he stretches forward. Your will want to make an active effort to space this move well to get it KO'ing as early as possible. Due to the low horizontal trajectory of the move the normal and low-angled versions can be well-used as an additional edgeguarding tool alongside Diddy's aerials and specials. The upward-angle version can also be especially useful as a mix-up to snuff shorthopped approaches (remember that his hands don't have a hurtbox either!). One thing to be wary of is the rather long endlag (recovery phase) of the move; don't go throwing it out haphazardly or you might get severely punished!
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Upward Tilt Attack (Utilt)
+


Total: 36
Hit: 6-13
IASA: 31
Damage: 8​

This upward swipe is one of Diddy's go-to juggles alongside Usmash and Nair against heavies and fastfallers. One substantial difference from its Brawl incarnation is the arm's position during the first few active frames; Diddy now starts the upward swipe with his arm right to his side (instead of behind him well into the z-axis), providing important frontal coverage. A solid anti-air.
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Downward Tilt Attack (Dtilt)
+


Total: 29
Hit: 5-6
IASA: 19
Damage: 7 (innermost hitbox), 8​

The Clap! Quite up there as one of Diddy's best attacks overall and it's sure to become the bread-and-butter of Diddy's ground game. Extremely fast, decent range and difficult to punish due to low endlag. It's a wonderful move to punish out of a crouch cancel (CC) or as a follow up when chasing a tech from Dthrow or banana hit. Most notable, however, is the plethora of followups you have after using the move. DTilt will normally connect 2-3 times if your opponent is at lower percents and is great for conditioning opponents. Get them into a habit of shielding after your first Dtilt and go for a grab or SideB to punish accordingly.
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Dash Attack
While dashing or running,


Total: 45
Hit: 7-18 (Strong Hit 7-11, Weaker Hit 12-18)
IASA: 40
Damage:2 (first 4 hits), 4 (final hit)​

Total: 28
Hit: 7-23 (Strong Hit 7-11, Weaker Hit 12-23)
Jump-Specific IASA: 23
Damage:2 (first 4 hits), 4 (final hit)​

The infamous cartwheel attack from Brawl is back with a different flavor! It's now a 5-hit move with a relatively normal amount of endlag when performed on the ground. The hitboxes cover Diddy's inner body, leaving his arms, legs and head somewhat exposed. These hitboxes also now send upward and away, allowing Diddy to start some combos off a hit.

As mentioned in the official website description, the Kong can Dash Attack off platforms and edges. This aerial Dash Attack sports some additional benefits to the grounded version:

  • There is a jump-specific interrupt window (Jump-cancel, or JC) just as the hitboxes disappear as Diddy emerges upright from the cartwheel.
  • Diddy suffers zerolag upon landing from the aerial Dash Attack which allows him to act out of the landing immediately.
  • Like any aerial, you can choose to fastfall this move to land faster onto the ground.
These benefits truly shine on platform-heavy stages like Battlefield and Warioware, where you can incorporate off-the-platform Dash Attacks with wavelands and aerials to make your movements significantly faster and less predictable. The multi-hit aspect of the move makes it somewhat useful against CC (Crouch Canceling) and a deadly edgeguarding option. Well-timed Dash Attacks can often lead into Dairs, Fairs and even UpB's! But don't get too reckless; DI plays a big part in escaping multi-hits even after it has connected, so always keep the opponent guessing and don't be predictable!

Last but not least... while Project M removed the ability to immediately grab items off Dash Attacks (as well as the other normals), Diddy can grab items during his Dash Attack using the grab button (
by default) while his hands are on the ground. It's overall a good idea to incorporate this technique with wavedash item grabs to strengthen your banana play.


Cranky said:
Aside from the size increase all hits now always send forward, making the move link better overall. The grounded version of Dash Attack can now be interrupted 5 frames earlier. Cartwheel away, ya hooligan!

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Forward Smash Attack (Fsmash)
/
+


Total: 50
Charge Frame: 9
Hits: 13-17, 18-22
IASA: 50
Damage: 5 (first hit), 14 (second hit)​

A two-hit attack, this smash remains Diddy's slowest although it still serves great function as a slip or tech chase followup. In Project M Diddy now moves forward a fair distance through the active frames then steps back about half the original distance during the endlag. Though the significant startup and weakness to CC (even if you hit an opponent with the first part, he/she can react and crouch cancel the second and punish) may initially draw you in to relying on Dsmash or Ftilt more often for punishes and kills, take the extra range and harder-hitting hitboxes into consideration when deciding which move would be appropriate for any specific situation.​


Cranky said:
This ol' Double Whammy has effectively more range. Diddy steps forward 1.5 units (about half his length when standing) farther into his second swing. To better link into the second hit the first hit's duration uses normal knockback instead of weight-dependant knockback and sends about 10 degrees lower.

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Upward Smash Attack (Usmash)
+


Total: 61
Charge Frame: 3
Hits: 5-9, 12-16, 19-25
IASA: 45
Damage: 3 (first 2 hits), 9 (final hit)​

Another of Diddy's great grounded launchers due to its fast startup, this 3-hit move sports the extra advantage of having the hitboxes start right behind Diddy before sweeping above him which further emphasizes its difference in use from Utilt's frontal coverage. Use this move along with Utilt, Uthrow and Nair to juggle for serious percent against heavies and fastfallers.

Cranky said:
Like with 2.6 from 2.5 the first two hits of Usmash have had their placement and angles adjusted to more reliably link into each other. This means you can be a bit more lenient in spacing... but it's still possible for opponents with good DI to escape, so don't be reckless with it, sonny!

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Downward Smash Attack (Dsmash)
+


Total: 57
Charge Frame: 1
Hits: 6-7, 14-17
IASA: 44
Damage: 16 (front hit), 13 (back hit)​

The smash that combines speed with power. Like Dtilt it comes out extremely quickly and kills moderately well. A solid followup to glide-tossed banana hits and Dthrow. As is common with similar Dsmashes the initial front hitbox hits harder than the second hitbox behind him. The only drawback with this move would be the significant endlag resulting from the second hit which makes you very vulnerable if you miss the move. However, due to its incredibly fast startup time, it’s possible to use Dsmash much more flexibly and aggressively than any other of Diddy's smashes. Space it well with wavedashes for an optimal punish.
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Neutral Aerial Attack (Nair)
In Air,


Total: 41
Hit: 4-17 (Stronger Hit 4-7, Weaker Hit 8-17
IASA: 37
Auto Cancel: <3 29>
Landing Lag: 18 (9 when L-canceled)
Damage:12 (stronger hit), 9 (weaker hit)​

After messing with the character for 10 minutes any player can just about see the potential and versatility of Nair. It's another super-quick attack that launches the opponent upward allowing for combo shenanigans. Very potent aerial when SHFFL'd since it allows you to easily follow up. Though the hitboxes are quite small on this attack (4 small hitboxes just covering his hands and feet) Diddy's body rotation through the active frames allows for solid coverage all around him.

The first picture shows the first active frame (just as the hitboxes emerge). Again, the hitboxes on this move are placed right on Diddy's hands and feets and also match the sizes (barely stretching past his extremities). The very beginning of the attack has 3 of the 4 hitboxes placed behind Diddy creating a "wall" and the last hitbox would start above and in front of the Kong (where his right hand is placed). Take this into consideration when using Nair out-of-shield (OoS).

Similar to Dash Attack it is sometimes preferable to hit with the weaker, lingering hit rather than the stronger initial hit to facilitate combos depending on the matchup and percentage of your opponent.
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Forward Aerial Attack (Fair)
In Air,
+


Total: 50
Hit: 6-14 (Stronger Hit 6-7, Weaker Hit 8-14)
IASA: 38
Auto Cancel: <2 33>
Landing Lag: 22 (11 when L-canceled)
Damage: 14, 7​

Kicked in yo chest, sonny! The sheer power and low angle simply make it the go-to aerial KO move. The initial hit which lasts a mere 2 frames rocks its sweetspot (sending at an even lower angle with extra damage) at the tip of Diddy's feet. The attack is similar to Sheik's in that its knockback scales very, very quickly with percent; at low percents it won't send very far but as you rack up the damage it becomes an extremely potent horizontal killer. The lingering hit afterward is significantly less powerful and sends at a higher angle but can still prove useful for securing an edgeguard.



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Backward Aerial Attack (Bair)
In Air,
+


Total: 46
Hit: 5-8
IASA: 29
Auto Cancel: <2 23>
Landing Lag: 15 (8 when L-canceled)
Damage: 12​

Due to its unique combined attributes of fast startup, low endlag, and decent disjoint this move becomes a significant spacing and poking tool. It sports unusually low base knockback so it combos very well into itself and other moves at low and mid percents. Against characters with superior range you may find yourself relying on this with bananas quite a bit.
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Upward Aerial Attack (Uair)
In Air,
+


Total: 40
Hit: 4-11 (Stronger Hit 4-7, Weaker Hit 8-11)
IASA: 32
Auto Cancel: <4 22>
Landing Lag: 18 (9 when L-canceled)
Damage: 12, 8​

The backflip now now functions closely to similar backflip Uairs like Mario's, Luigi's and Falcon's. The hitbox emerges just as Diddy brings his foot forward and continues on the leg through the flip until the foot swoops below him. The initial hit now sends the opponent diagonally upward; it starts combo strings moderately well against floaties at early percents and kills moderately well at higher percents. The latter hit of course gives less knockback but also sends diagonally upward (behind Diddy). A decent complement to Nair as its main advantage is the extra coverage it offers above Diddy over Nair when you're directly below your opponent.
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Downward Aerial Attack (Dair)
in Air,
+


Total: 38
Hit: 10-12
Auto Cancel: <11 33>
Landing Lag: 25 (12 when L-canceled)
Damage: 14 (upper hitbox), 15 (lower hitbox)​

The first of 3 meteor attacks, Diddy smashes his fists downward to send opponents hurling to their doom or bouncing off the floor. Solid disjointedness since the hitbox extends from his body to about another fist length below his hand placement (the sweetspot). Because of the significant startup and endlag compared to the other meteors SideB and UpB Dair may see better use onstage. Use with great caution offstage!​


Cranky said:
The active frames were moved by 2 frames, so instead of the hitbox being active frames 12-14 they are active frames 10-12.

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Grabs & Throws

Grab


Total: 30
Grab: 7-8​


Total: 39
Grab: 10-12​


Total: 35
Grab: 8-9​

Diddy Kong's grab timings fall in line with what would be considered the norm amongst the cast. Though his grab ranges are comparatively short the sheer speed of his dash and run allow him to reliably land grab after grab. Make use of your projectiles to aid in securing the grab!​

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Forward Throw
While grabbing,



Your basic positional throw, the knockback and angle aren't too adept for starting combos so you'll mostly be using it to send the opponent offstage and prepare an edgeguard.
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Backward Throw
While grabbing,



With slightly higher trajectory and knockback than Down Throw this throw becomes a mostly positional throw; you'll want to use it to simply get the opponent offstage behind you.
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Upward Throw
While grabbing,



Diddy's main vertical KO move. Works amazingly well against floaties in low-ceiling stages. It also has juggling potential at low percents against some fastfallers; work this in with Usmash, Utilt and Nair to rack up some serious percent.​


Cranky said:
Instead of sending at a 100 degree angle (above and slightly behind him) Uthrow now sends at 80 angle (above and slightly forward).


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Downward Throw
While grabbing,



Diddy's main techchase throw. Against the majority of the cast it will force a groundbounce at low (and often medium) percents; use your sheer speed and/or nearby bananas to follow the tech and punish approprately!​


Cranky said:
Down Throw is now technically a two-hit move; it first deals 5 damage as Diddy starts slamming the opponent onto the floor then does 3 damage (this hit being the actual Throw) as they're launched behind him. This change along with a knockback revamp (moderate base knockback but faster scaling) makes for more concrete followups overall.


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Specials

Neutral Special: Peanut Popgun


Minimum Total Duration (No Charge): 37
Charge Frame (Peanut Shot if No Charge): 13
Air Dodge IASA (Aerial): 27
Damage: 5-16​

Though bananas are Diddy's definitive projectile, peanuts are perhaps an even better complement to his projectile and spacing game than in Brawl. To start off, the peanuts shoot at a much lower angle and the distance/charge scaling ratio is increased so a partially charged shot yields greater distance. With this more direct trajectory the peanuts should serve as an active, immediate threat.

Canceling the peanut charge now gives a proper, 8-frame cancel animation (part of a universal change regarding special cancels). You can still use this cancel in conjunction with B-reversals and glide-tosses for momentum tricksies. And speaking of momentum, there is no longer a sudden halt of momentum upon firing the peanut (so you won't suddenly drop straight down); backward momentum from the shot's recoil does remain, however and is added to whatever momentum you have at the time of the shot.

As for the peanut properties, they now clank against other clankable projectiles and hitboxes instead of simply breaking at the slightest touch. This helps Diddy deal with projectile-happy opponents while offering yet another projectile to help control the pace of the game to how he desires. Additionally, peanut knockback now properly scales with percent and charge time (damage). A fully-charged shot can very well secure a much-needed edgeguard or even outright KO at high percents.


Finally, Diddy can air dodge out an aerial peanut shot 13 frames into the animation; when performing perfectly-timed short-hop peanut shots (inputting
immediately after Diddy leaves the ground) this air dodge window occurs just after the apex of the hop, as Diddy starts falling downward. Use this special interrupt window to waveland onto the ground and maneuver around the stage while keeping your opponent at bay with a peanut barrage.


Cranky said:
What's that? You expect every special to receive huge changes with each version? What's wrong with his Popgun? Funky worked hard on developing them!

The only change here is that you can Air Dodge out of the shot a little earlier (2 frames). Should give a little bit more flexibility in timing your shot and wavelanding afterward... or following up with a glidetossed banana throw!
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Side Special: Monkey Flip
/
+


Total: 43
Grab: 17-34
Ledgegrab: 35​

Total: 32
Hit: 4-25 (Stronger Hit 4-7, Weaker Hit 8-25)
Damage: 12, 7

A command grab that aids in recovery and delivers an alternate aerial attack with a lingering hitbox. Doesn't get much better than that! Its versatility was bumped up quite a bit in the transition to Project M. As far as physics go, Diddy covers roughly 25% more horizontal distance with a slightly lower vertical "hop". As in Brawl there is a tilt
and smash
version of the Monkey Flip, with the smash version sending Diddy farther out. The Smash input is great for specifically covering distance and as an approach while the tilt will be the go-to for covering standing techs and securing offstage grabs with minimal risk if whiffed.


Side B sports two grabs; "Attack" (input using
,
or
by default) and "Jump" (input using
,
or
by default). The "Attack" throw has Diddy karate chopping his opponent, sending them upward . Makes for an excellent combo-starter onstage. Offstage is where you'll find use for the "Jump" throw which has Diddy jumping off the unfortunate soul's head, hurling em downward. Though Diddy's jump distance is lowered a tad, the strength of this meteor makes it a superb gimping tool. Predict the opponent's angle of recovery and go for the air grab! Or better yet, use bananas first to take em out of their recovery sweetspot range and followup up with a SideB Jump throw.

Though the move makes for a core recovery move alongside UpB, do take note that Diddy can only use it once per airtime. He either has to grab a ledge or land on the stage to use it again.


The other option out of SideB is the kick (input using
or
by default during SideB's startup). It boasts low knockback growth, stays out for a relatively long time and packs more range than the grab option, making it yet again another combo-friendly option when you're unsure if the grab portion will connect.


Cranky said:
The SideB jump now sends Diddy the same distance regardless of input. You can now however shorten your net distance a good deal by holding back on the control stick. More feasible now, eh?

The Attack Throw's launch angle was moved in my 10 degrees, allowing for more immediate followups. The Jump Throw's knockback scaling is significantly higher; this makes it a more potent meteor finisher if done offstage and causes a ground bounce at earlier percents when done onstage.


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Up Special: RocketBarrel Boost
+


Total: 61
Charge Frame: 7
Hits: 8-45 (meteor hit only active frame 8)
Landing Lag: 18
Damage: 5-19

As with his popguns Diddy has upgraded this wooden technology to better suit the Project M environment. In addition to the features provided on the character page (physics, the slower fall while charging, sideways weaving during the boost) Diddy can now ride up walls without fear of exploding and falling helplessly to his death. Use this key feature along with the new weaving ability to more easily sweetspot the ledge by angling toward and into the stage to reduce your height if you must charge up.

Another key note is the removal of the "helpless" animation Diddy would suffer upon getting hit out of the charge or boost. Diddy now suffers normal hitstun from attacks (no more high "hitstun" from a soft-hitting jab or tilt) and can tech (ledgetech!) regularly because of this.


The final major change to note would be the hitboxes of the boost. The main thing to remember would be that the power of the hits diminish over the course of the launch, with the initial liftoff hit being very, very powerful and the last hit being very, very weak. Clever players will want to find ways to finish their combos or secure hard reads with this potent liftoff hit for style points. One last thing to note is that the damage of all these hitboxes (including the initial meteor hit below Diddy) now increases with charge time at a rate of 1% every 11 frames. Under this system the minimum damage the boost can inflict is 5; the maximum is 19. Those who land the ultra-rare sweetspot at maximum charge earn style points in addition to a very early kill!


Cranky said:
UpB's grounded startup is now 4 frames from 7, making it once again a useful option Out-of-Shield. In addition, damage increases at a faster pace from charging the move (1 extra damage every 9 frames now instead of 11 frames back in 2.6). Still... Don't get reckless with it!

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Down Special: Banana Peel Toss
+


Total: 44
Banana Released from Hand (Hitbox Generated): 20
IASA: 40​

The infamous banana peel makes its debut to Project M. As of 3.0 bananas retain the trip-on-hit feature from Brawl and although you can tech trips the speedy Kong can certainly follow up a read with several deadly punishes like Fsmash, Dsmash, grab or SideB.​

Like in Brawl, Diddy players will want to take advantage of the two different toss lengths offered by the tilt
and smash
versions of this move to strengthen their edgeguarding and banana placement. The unique arcs of the toss are useful in forcing your recovering opponent into an unfavorable position and giving you more leeway in securing the gimp, edgehog or flat-out KO.​

On top of that he can now force an opponent's trip when down-throwing a banana right by the opponent's feet. This effect ignores shields and with the enhanced glidetoss makes for yet another effective approach, mixup or out-of-shield option.


Cranky said:
The unthinkable has happened! Thrown bananas induce tripping yet again! Keep in mind however that trips are still techable in this game so don't go chucking em about willy-nilly expecting guaranteed locks; you'll have to work for your damage, sonny! Also consider that Diddy's bananas still factor in the opponent weight when a hit connects. This means lighter characters like Jigglypuff and G&W will be sent considerably farther than heavies like DK and Bowser. They also behave similarly to other spawned items and clank against enemy hits.


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Advanced
Glide Toss

Immediately following a roll or air dodge,
or
(any direction)​
 
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Post reserved for later use. This is a work in progress and I plan to fill out the remaining sections in the very near future. I will include basic frame data and a video to accompany the Glide-Tossing section. Really wanna flesh it out.
 

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Huge props, Gurukid. This is really going to go a long way in helping out the community! Ryoko and you are really going out of your way to do this, and I think it's really great :)
 

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Props. This is very informative, especially all the information about hitboxes/disjointedness/etc., and the changes to Diddy's specials. Some more info on the new Banana mechanics would be nice.
 

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Much appreciated, Ham. And I do plan on going more in detail on banana mechanics and AT's, Onionchowder. Expect a solid update over the weekend (when I get a replacement Wii).
 

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Can't wait till Project M gets a PAL release. Y'all better make Diddy top tier when that time comes though! :diddy:
 

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This guide is amazing so far, I can't wait to see what else is going to go into it.
 

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You don't have to wait, add my skype or go to the P:M IRC
Ok maybe I could, but I don't have Skype. What are the recommendations to get Project M though?? Like, programms on the pc, and tools I need to buy?
 

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Cool thanks, but my Brawl disk is kinda messed up. It glitches on some stages and with some characters (especially Zelda/ Sheik)... But will give it a read!
 

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don't know if this was in Diddy's design in brawl or not, but has anyone noticed that Diddy sort of has a "bunghole"? You know what I'm getting at?
 

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don't know if this was in Diddy's design in brawl or not, but has anyone noticed that Diddy sort of has a "bunghole"? You know what I'm getting at?
P:M doesn't come with any Diddy textures, and his textures in Brawl I don't see anything.

 

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This is some tactical *** stuff man. I feel like I'm getting better already by reading the countless posts of good info on bungholes and whatnot. Quality stuff right here.
 

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We have to analyse our characters, inside and out.

Do you have any Diddy videos though? Your posts are usually over my head so I think your play would be intriguing and more useful for me. You could also make videos for specific things you're talking about, I tried doing that when I made Ike posts.
 

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We have to analyse our characters, inside and out.

Do you have any Diddy videos though? Your posts are usually over my head so I think your play would be intriguing and more useful for me. You could also make videos for specific things you're talking about, I tried doing that when I made Ike posts.
Unfortunately, the only videos of my diddy are from brawl. But I'm working towards getting my PM videos up, which include snake also.
 

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I haven't forgotten about this thread! Been really busy with work and IRL stuffz but I am slowly but surely working on improvements! Appreciate the feedback, and thanks for the patience.
 

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Hitbox gifs! Now I have this in my Bookmark's bar, I might recompile them all to be slower.
 

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Damages for the hit-boxes would be awesome if you ever get time.

I noticed you never mentioned the new ledge get-up attack here, you might of gone over it before with that one Eli Stream but I only noticed the change of it being now like n64 after I stumbled on this and noticed the get-up attack from a replay I was watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tIC0AVYOlM&list=FLC_duOivBOekU6LS3_8w25A&index=14

I remember playing versus mode with my friends a lot more than single player, and spamming grenades while playing the guy who shot goo balls through his bamboo mouth thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuGNwdi-ojU
the lanky kong guy or whatever had to be the best right? I mean in SA2B Amy is the best when you take the versus mode competitively, it should be like that for him right?
 

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Updated for 2.6. Includes notes on the major recent changes.

I'm admittedly unsure how to tackle the "Advanced" section since it's kinda difficult to explain not just how glidetossing works but how important bananas are to Diddy's gameplay/how to incorporate them to strengthen your stage control. I'll work out a draft within the week, hopefully.
 

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Updated for 2.6. Includes notes on the major recent changes.

I'm admittedly unsure how to tackle the "Advanced" section since it's kinda difficult to explain not just how glidetossing works but how important bananas are to Diddy's gameplay/how to incorporate them to strengthen your stage control. I'll work out a draft within the week, hopefully.

Obviously you know the nitty gritty of glide tossing better than me, but I'd say describing how to use it is similar to describing how to wavedash. It isn't easy to comprehend. Definitely cover the mobility basics though, it gives Diddy a GREAT OoS option, and in the air is basically a free jump / momentum change. Those right there are useful for newer players in addition to being staples of his play. Glide tossing is one of those things that can't really be taught by a book. You can teach how to use it, but like wavedashing, only through play will players see the many, many applications. As opposed to say, L cancelling, in which the benefit is immediate and simple.
 

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Very true; I may take a stab at making it a simple video tutorial instead. Thanks!

If you guys have a question regarding a specific change or would like some elaboration by all means ask away.
 
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