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stealth raptor is trash

Ussi

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Vid one: You got punished a lot for using fsmash. Only use it to punish Link like after he landed from a dair or something. and Use fair more, as you rarely used it the Link's 2nd and 3rd stock. Or at least mix in some aerials. You were mainly on the ground. Oh and fthrow > dthrow > bthrow the the sexiest throw combo ever.

vid 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-_X1mmVUWc is the right link. Suicides are lol. We should just name fthrow > dthrow > bthrow the stealth combo xD. I'll say you're just being read pretty well.

vid 3: You are approaching Olimar wrong. Use fair and SHAD. Try to grab Olimar. From my match up experience, fair always went through Olimar's usmash unless it was a yellow pikmin. (Unless it was after the usmash hitbox) either way, fair Olimar, land behind him and shield his dsmash then grab and damage till he dies or gets back on the ground. But anyways, grab Olimar as its the best way to damage him. STOP fsmashing him, he still can shield grab it and you keep getting punished for it. Use fair > dsmash to shield poke and to get him in the air.

I'll say for all the olimar vids learn the match up better >_>;
 

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I thought this was suppose to be something like Stealth Raptor is inhuman.

*goes to watch vidjas so I make this post somewhat purposed or whatever the word is.*
 

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In the first match vs fino on battlefield, you ran up and spot dodged way too much. it became predictable and fino punished you for it.
 

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lemme tell you a story about the fthrow dthrow bthrow. i am attempting the wave pivot grab, miss, and instead of the reverse fthrow i bthrow. yeah he was predicting me good, just as well as i predict him with lucario lol. thanks for the comments. when it comes to the ground, vs arkive he is good at knocking you out of the air, and pikachus speed out of sheild attacks allow pika to knock link around. ill try some more aerials.
 

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well if he is good at knocking you out of the air then use feints. Pikachu learns feint at level 29 so get your pikachu to that level.
 

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lol i was using less aerial mindgames then normal this time. these were friendlies and i know neither of us were trying our fullest. poor arkive we had the most awkward discussion going on by us and he looked like he was about to die lulz
 

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I'm typing this as I watch the first olimar vid

At around 0:30, you tried to dash grab him. Imo, that's not the best thing to do, because its easy to dodge and olimar can just grab you like he did. Or he can just use his own grab, because his has so much more range than pikas.

Also, from 0:50-057 you had a really good chance to grab him, but you didn't. And also, in that time frame, he did a fsmash and you were in a good position to do your own fsmash, but you tried grabbing.

Another thing is, you use the wrong attacks at the wrong time. Like you fsmash when you're out of range, it would be better to not do anythign or maybe to tjolt. And also, you dtilt when you're too close. That makes it very easy to shield grab, especially for someone with a long grabby thingy like olimar. Ftilt would be a better choice when your closer.

Also whenever a pikmin latches on to you, your slow to get them off. And also, you get them off at the wrong time. Like from 1:39-1:43, it wouldve been smarter to fsmash while Fino was recovering instead of later when he was back and ready to fight.

One other thing is, you use QA whenever you have a chance to use skullbash to recover instead. I spose its a matter of preference, but i think it would be smarter to use skullbash, cus it doesnt leave you helpless.

Also, you missed a few chances to hit him with thunder.

For the most part though, those are very specific cases, and it doesn't mean your do it wrong every time, just maybe in those instances

On the other hand, your totally amazing with your sidesteps and QAC O.O
 

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skullbash = ****. as in i get killed for it. thats why dont use it to recover. i occasionaly do but only if i think that person wont punish me for it. fino would. imo skull bash leaves you far helpless then qa. at least i can direct exactly where i want qa to go.
 

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vid 3: You are approaching Olimar wrong.
If you're approaching olimar... you're doing it wrong (lol... approaching olimar).
<33
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shield his dsmash then grab
Olimar can down smash before pika can grab... or if out of range he can fsmash.

grab Olimar as its the best way to damage him.
XD
Rofl... if this post were short... I would sig it.[/QUOTE]

I'll say for all the olimar vids learn the match up better >_>;
I want to play someone who knows the match up!!! Please, I mean... even anther and I went close to even. Granted he still won, but by the skin on his teeth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2MfwAAO2_8

Also whenever a pikmin latches on to you, your slow to get them off. And also, you get them off at the wrong time. Like from 1:39-1:43, it wouldve been smarter to fsmash while Fino was recovering instead of later when he was back and ready to fight.
I don't think he was worried about getting them off, you really shouldn't unless it's a white or unless there are multiple on you.
As for using fsmash... I think he was trying to extend his hitbox by abusing the pikmin latch.

One other thing is, you use QA whenever you have a chance to use skullbash to recover instead. I spose its a matter of preference, but i think it would be smarter to use skullbash, cus it doesnt leave you helpless.
skullbash = ****. as in i get killed for it. . i occasionaly do but only if i think that person wont punish me for it. fino would.
Indeed... watch that vid v anther up there around 4:40 or ironically 4:40 in the first match... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCtxLZwOxrg
Skull bash = fun time for olimar


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Has the pika boards always had this many critique threads? lol

I shall watch the videos later, stealth. I'm about to facedesk in exhaustion atm. T_T
 

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I don't think he was worried about getting them off, you really shouldn't unless it's a white or unless there are multiple on you.
As for using fsmash... I think he was trying to extend his hitbox by abusing the pikmin latch.
~Fino
I had no idea you could do that O.o
 

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I had no idea you could do that O.o
Pikmin work like objects. Think of them as the terrain on Skyworld. A good example of someone that can abuse this is Ness. PKT2 on Skyworld can last almost a second, maybe longer. So he hits the ground, freezes, and then slowly moves across the platform.

Pikachu can do this with pikmin, lol.

Also, 1337 posts.
 

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Pikmin work like objects. Think of them as the terrain on Skyworld. A good example of someone that can abuse this is Ness. PKT2 on Skyworld can last almost a second, maybe longer. So he hits the ground, freezes, and then slowly moves across the platform.

Pikachu can do this with pikmin, lol.

Also, 1337 posts.
But that would only make the attack last longer, not actually increase it's range, right?
 

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But that would only make the attack last longer, not actually increase it's range, right?
Actually, with Pikachu, no. It keeps the range, loses a little power, but lasts longer. So if Pikachu were to fsmash a pikmin, Olimar could time it wrong, and run right into the fsmash, after it normally would've been over.
 

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What a trashy pika.


Stealth I <3 your Pika, but I hate playing olimars, if an oli knows what hes doing... well i dont know the matchup at all because all my friends suck at olimar :( but I live near weruop now so i get to friendly him at tourneys :)
 

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fino said a lot of what i could say. spot dodging the dsmash is far better then sheilding. and before you think i am completely helpless at this mathup you should watch the others. he did wreck me the first one but the others were a bit closer lol.
 

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Well lets say Olimar is all about tricking him, it sucks because his moves are tricky themselves so you end tricking yourself.
 

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First off, idc if they are friendlies, you should always be trying your hardest. You can be trying new things, but you shouldn't sandbag, so i'm gonna be critiquing these like they would be tournament matches

Match 1 Link

:42 - F-smash at 26%? Use better and faster options like d-tilt or f-tilt

:45 - You could've CG'd him off the level. Link has a horrible recovery so his worst position is off the level. Abuse it.

:53 - Another F-smash, they won't do much at this %, respond with faster options or ones that you can capitalize on

:56 - Straight up trajectory from your D-smash and no thunder attempt? Try to follow up with something even if its not thunder

1:01 - You sidestepped behind him while he was attacking. Try to respond by grabbing or throwing off the level instead

1:08 - Nice skull bash. I know it was supposed to be a QAC, but you shouldn't be making these kinds of careless mistakes.

1:21 - Finally a thunder jolt. T-jolt should be one ofyour most used moves, so having your first one a minute into the match is pretty bad. Incorporate them more, even against a character that can camp you.

1:29 - Don't pre-emptively taunt, even in friendlies. Wait till you are 100% sure they are dead, then taunt away

1:34 - You had much better punishing options than an f-tilt after his missed dair. Try U-tilt/U-smash to thunder, or SH nair.

1:38 - Nice momentum cancel

1:52 - After his missed D-smash, you definitely had enough time to drop your shield and hyphen smash him. React quicker OOS.

1:59 - You have other kill moves besides F-smash. When you want a kill, you don't need to spam it. You have nair, dair, u-tilt, and u-smash. Use them.

2:14 - Again, could've CG'd off the level and attempted an edgeguard.

2:27 - At low %s, you should try to punish with things that might combo him instead of wasting your kill move

2:33 - Again, what are you trying to accomplish my F-smashing him at low %s?

2:35 - Okay really? Use other things besides F-smash to punish

3:03 - Nice boomerang assisted thunder kill

3:17 - Throw him off the level...

3:31 - Why did you drop your shield after the sidestep if he was still charging? Be more aware of the circumstances

3:50 - He hit your shield with a D-smash. You should've punished or at least full hopped a T-jolt to pressure him

3:57 - Again, you shouldn't be making these kinds of careless mistakes

4:11 - You shouldn't have tried an F-smash there. If you are right next to him, d-tilt, f-tilt, SH nair, SH dair, or grab him instead. If he is at killing %s, you don't have to spam those moves.

Overall - More thunderjolt is definitely needed. Even if his projectiles or other moves beat it out, you should use them anyway. It makes him do one of the things that cancels it out, while you have free reign to do anything. Also, you didn't use d-tilt once that entire match. It's quick and it can start comboes, and you should incorporate it into your game more.

I don't wanna do the other link video (i hate watching link) so im gonna do 2 of the olimar ones

2nd Olimar vid:

:36 - F-smash will do nothing at that %. It would barely even send him off the cliff. I know you are trying to space him, but wasting a kill move isn't necessary!

:48 - Why would you F-smash. He was above you, and he could've fallen to the left of you and punished you. Find better options of punishment and pressuring

:55 - Again with the F-smash. You seem to love this move even when it shouldn't be used.

1:00 - Bad DI, but amazing momentum cancel

1:06 - Why do you keep F-smashing?!?!?!?!

1:38 - Another F-smash....

1:42 - Skull bash? Everybody, besides muhznit, knows this is a bad attack. I don't know what you are trying to do, but it failed

1:51 - After he up-b'd, you knew he was gonna be on the ledge. You need to react and punish him quicker.

1:55 - Nice thunder lol

1:57 - Please stop F-smashing when the opponent is a decent height above you, or you will get punished like you did at 1:58. This is a horrible habit, and i would hate to see you lose a tournament match because of your carelessness.

2:04 - No punishment at all? He up-b'd right in front of you and you had plenty of time to react and hit him off the level

2:08-2:13 - When he is just pivot grabbing, shoot a T-jolt. He might throw pikmin, but it's still putting some sort of pressure on him

2:48 - Ty for grabbing the ledge

2:55 - You can't CG oli, so don't go for a second grab. Instead, hyphen smash him. You will refresh your kill move by the time he will be at kill %s

3:17-19 - Lol nice

3:30-33 - Nothing after a U-smash? Even if you can't thunder, you should still jump up and try to bait a down-b or airdodge and then punish it. Don't just sit there unless you plan on running the timer out

3:50 - Run past him and...shield? You could've SH dair or nair, or pivot grabbed instead of randomly shielding

3:59 - There we go, getting him off the cliff when he recovers back on

4:05 - This was a perfect time to SH nair or u-tilt him for the kill. He could've done nothing

4:11 - Huzzah for u-tilt thunder! (Huzzah!)

5:06 - Wow, very nice momentum cancel, i thought it was match right then and there

5:09 - If QAing on the level hadn't worked basically the whole match, why would you keep doing it?

Overall - You still F-smash way too much. Save it for kill %s. Also, i still didn't see one d-tilt. It's your best spacing move and it can still set up for comboes

Match 4 (Olimar. OMG YOU WIN!!)

:40 - Stop weakening your nair for pikmin that aren't even latched to you

:51 - Lol mindgames?

1:14 - Again, don't F-smash in these types of positions. He had a Double jump left and there is no way, unless fino is ********, that you are going to hit like that. Only try to punish air-dodges with F-smash if they are A LOT closer to the ground.

1:15 - Stop trying to f-smash so much. Olimar's moves are faster than your F-smash.

1:30 - QAing onto the stage isn't working for you, so you should stop. If something doesn't work, you don't keep doing it until it works, you find something that does work

1:42 - Desperate much? STOP F-SMASHING LIKE AN IDIOT! He wasn't even CLOSE to you

2:06 - I don't see how that thunder would've hit him...

2:29 - U-throw at 0%? F-throw U-smash would've been much better

3:10 - All that F-smashing finally payed off. Hitting with 2 out of 10 isn't worth it...use them smarter and so that it will catch your opponent off guard.

3:17 - You could've ledgehogged and ended the match right there. Don't freeze on the level unless you intend to camp and run out the clock

3:24 - Fino was dangerously close there. He could've punished that skull bash easily

3:56 - Now THAT is how you use F-smash. He was close to the ground and you had the momentum. He felt pressured and airdodged and you let lose.

4:00 - Yay ledgehog

Overall - You did better this match, but still F-smashed too much when it wasn't gonna hit him. Lack of T-jolt is okay because of the level, but you should still throw out some. Still no d-tilt...
 

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some of that is a difference inplay style. i never save my fsmash. i use it for spacing and damage. i even intentionally tip with it lol. and i just never see the time to dtilt. ill probably eventually pick it up. ill make more responses when i get time >.> also i have never suceeded in edge gaurding arkive from a cg. hence why i turn it around and rack damage.
 

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stealth, you DO use fsmash too much. Its not worth the pay out when its very slow for a pika move. fsmash is for PUNISHING, but you were not punishing at all with it. Try to use dtilt instead since its faster.
 

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well stealth, we are just trying to give you advice cause we care about you. (Or at least we should >_>) and we think that dtilt will serve you better than fsmash.

Just try using dtilt instead of fsmash. If results don't show then you can go back to fsmash.
 

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some of that is a difference inplay style. i never save my fsmash. i use it for spacing and damage. i even intentionally tip with it lol. and i just never see the time to dtilt. ill probably eventually pick it up. ill make more responses when i get time >.> also i have never suceeded in edge gaurding arkive from a cg. hence why i turn it around and rack damage.
Yea I dont really find Fsmash as a killing move either, its just there when they screw up and I would rather use it then F tilt becauseof the more damage. Still though, it can kill on edges if its stale.

Although I love my dtilt, Nuetral a jab > D tilt > Grab *****.

well stealth, we are just trying to give you advice cause we care about you. (Or at least we should >_>) and we think that dtilt will serve you better than fsmash.

Just try using dtilt instead of fsmash. If results don't show then you can go back to fsmash.
Or just use both, Dtilt trips and leads into many possible combos.. grab.. f tilt.. dash attack you can do pretty much anything out of it, it also pushes characters back a good distance. None the less Fsmash mixing it up and everything is good.
 

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some of that is a difference inplay style. i never save my fsmash. i use it for spacing and damage. i even intentionally tip with it lol. and i just never see the time to dtilt. ill probably eventually pick it up. ill make more responses when i get time >.> also i have never suceeded in edge gaurding arkive from a cg. hence why i turn it around and rack damage.
Agreed, i'm just saying WHAT I THINK is bad, i could be wrong, or not knowing the match between you two (like the edgeguarding of the link)
 

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I space with fsmash too. I find it more important then as a kill move.

You punish well but also not very well at the same time. At least thats what I see.
 

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Actually, with Pikachu, no. It keeps the range, loses a little power, but lasts longer. So if Pikachu were to fsmash a pikmin, Olimar could time it wrong, and run right into the fsmash, after it normally would've been over.
It will extend the hitbox if the pikmin is killed... :(
Hardly noticeable... but still exploitable =D

Fino, what i meant from grabbing is that it puts Olimar in the air.
Grabbing olimar... is kinda funny :$


~Fino
 
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