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reflect jiggly once with fox on dreamland you have a kill
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Stage Discussion Thread - Now with all stages!
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DemonicInfluence
Smash Ace
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Not true... Except off the edge, where that would apply on any stage.
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Everywhere except for the exact middle is the edge...
even reflect on side platforms put Jiggly in a really bad spot
Jiggly really can't attack above her, very easy to reflect her again all she can do is up-air (then she can't make it back), pound, which makes her really vulnerable, or jump back hoping she won't get hit again
even reflect on side platforms put Jiggly in a really bad spot
Jiggly really can't attack above her, very easy to reflect her again all she can do is up-air (then she can't make it back), pound, which makes her really vulnerable, or jump back hoping she won't get hit again
lordvaati
Smash Master
hmmm....should this list have Battlefield and Metal Mario's stage as well? granted, they are hacked stages, but still, it'd be nice to know who has an advantage there.
rpotts
Smash Lord
I definitely considered that but I have never actually played on a hacked stage, so I don't really feel that I should evaluate it. Anyone who wants to should post them and I'll add them to the op.
DemonicInfluence
Smash Ace
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s2j, I think you're underrating Jiggly's recovery. To get a shine and then shine again is really hard to do through repeated fairs in a shine off the side platforms. Also, Jiggly often will tech the shine making it do less.
I still think the only major time is like right near the edge. Otherwise, it isn't so bad as to make the matchup more untenable than it already is (fox is pretty **** good against Jiggly)
~ImNotPro
I still think the only major time is like right near the edge. Otherwise, it isn't so bad as to make the matchup more untenable than it already is (fox is pretty **** good against Jiggly)
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I'm not underrating her recovery i'm just saying Fox ***** Jigglypuff on Dreamland even more with just a single reflect. Jigglypuff has awesome horizontal recovery that's really good if she is sent away and high, but reflect sends her low and away
Jigglypuff can't really f-air either to protect herself because she is beneath the edge of the stage and Fox can just get on top of her and reflect again, not hard at all
You can't tech it if you don't land on solid ground which you won't unless you are very close to the middle of the stage, try reflecting Jigglypuff with Fox on Dreamland and watch as she gets flung off the stage unless she is in the middle
Jigglypuff can't really f-air either to protect herself because she is beneath the edge of the stage and Fox can just get on top of her and reflect again, not hard at all
You can't tech it if you don't land on solid ground which you won't unless you are very close to the middle of the stage, try reflecting Jigglypuff with Fox on Dreamland and watch as she gets flung off the stage unless she is in the middle
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
Fox ***** puff in more ways than one. Off-stage, if Fox does shine puff, it's almost a guaranteed loss of a stock. This works on all stages.
Fox is my most hated and most annoying matchup when I play Puff.
Fox is my most hated and most annoying matchup when I play Puff.
DemonicInfluence
Smash Ace
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Ya, fox is pretty killer against Jiggly in general. I'm glad most foxes don't shine :D
Teching will work when you're on one of the side platforms.... and fair has a hitbox above >.>
Teching will work when you're on one of the side platforms.... and fair has a hitbox above >.>
rpotts
Smash Lord
You must not play many good foxes. Or is my sarcasm detector failing me?
Superstar
Smash Champion
Most Foxes aren't good. Especially if you play on EGX.
Blue Yoshi
Smash Master
Puff's only chance against a good Fox: Very effective and convincing mindgames. Other than that, gg.
Edit:
uh... why are we talking about Fox vs Puff in the stage discussion thread? lol
Edit:
uh... why are we talking about Fox vs Puff in the stage discussion thread? lol
DemonicInfluence
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Umm I've played a lot of good foxes, but that's not really relevant >.>
I can't really remember anytime I got like just shined repeatedly, except once or twice against A$ cause that was all he was using, but it wasn't like insta-death.
Maybe I'm just overly biased to jiggly
~ImNotPro
killa k
Smash Ace
Mario is also pretty strong on Sector Z. He can fireball camp and string U-air combos. Falcon is pretty strong on Mushroom Kingdom imo.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Jiggs needs ridiculous spacing and prediction prowess to beat a Fox. Also, it helps if the Fox can't DI :3
But a competent Fox will knock a Jiggs off and make sure she stays off. Often the threat of edgeguarding does more than the edgeguard itself. This applies more on Dreamland, Congo and occasionally Hyrule.
Also...can't Mario fireball camp and string U-Airs on most levels...?
But a competent Fox will knock a Jiggs off and make sure she stays off. Often the threat of edgeguarding does more than the edgeguard itself. This applies more on Dreamland, Congo and occasionally Hyrule.
Also...can't Mario fireball camp and string U-Airs on most levels...?
killa k
Smash Ace
It's even worse there lol.
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Teching works if they are on the far side of the platform, away from the edge
maybe you need more foxes to shine you
DemonicInfluence
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That could be true, Foxes don't usually go for the shine :D
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Most foxes also suck
Zen Yore
Smash Ace
i love the typical dair spamming jigglypuffs on hyrule. too good
I might as well do the beta stages and the 1 player mode stages, ill update this later
Battlefield
Fairness -
This stage is similar to dreamland in fairness but being a little bit smaller and with a glitched edge
Unique Features -
-A 1 player or gameshark only stage
- a layout similar to dreamland, but with 3 small platforms instead of 2 forming a triangle pattern
- A glitched edge that will cause you to self-destruct if you smash DI off of it (most noticeably with falcon)
Strong Characters -
Similar to Dreamland, platform characters are overall better, the size of the platforms and height of the platforms change up combos
Weak Characters -
Similar to Dreamland, characters with weak recoveries and campy characters, as in Link for example
Tournament Legality -
If this stage was unlockable, it would most likely be legal for singles and probably be legal for doubles.
As of now, it is a "locked" or unplayable stage on an N64.
Battlefield
Fairness -
This stage is similar to dreamland in fairness but being a little bit smaller and with a glitched edge
Unique Features -
-A 1 player or gameshark only stage
- a layout similar to dreamland, but with 3 small platforms instead of 2 forming a triangle pattern
- A glitched edge that will cause you to self-destruct if you smash DI off of it (most noticeably with falcon)
Strong Characters -
Similar to Dreamland, platform characters are overall better, the size of the platforms and height of the platforms change up combos
Weak Characters -
Similar to Dreamland, characters with weak recoveries and campy characters, as in Link for example
Tournament Legality -
If this stage was unlockable, it would most likely be legal for singles and probably be legal for doubles.
As of now, it is a "locked" or unplayable stage on an N64.
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
dk would suck on battlefield
Zen Yore
Smash Ace
ur wrong!11!1!1
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
good luck comboing
U900
Smash Rookie
I like the Hyrule castle most of the people go there...
Zen Yore
Smash Ace
Metal Crystal/Metal Mario's Domain/Metal Cave
Fairness -
This stage would be overall the smallest stage if it was allowed in play. It also contains very large vertical blast zones and horizontal blast zones.
Unique Features -
-A 1 player or gameshark only stage
- 1 small platform with another smaller platform on top of it
- As said before, an incredibly small stage, designed as a stage to face metal mario
Strong Characters -
Characters that can hit quick and have quick gimps do better. Grabs send characters all the way from one side to the other. Falcon, Pikachu, Kirby, DK, Ness
Weak Characters -
Characters that can't kill quickly or have bad/slow grabs. Samus, Fox, Link and Yoshi
Tournament Legality -
Due to how small this stage is, it would probably not be allowed in singles or doubles. However, this is not known because of it being a hack only stage
Fairness -
This stage would be overall the smallest stage if it was allowed in play. It also contains very large vertical blast zones and horizontal blast zones.
Unique Features -
-A 1 player or gameshark only stage
- 1 small platform with another smaller platform on top of it
- As said before, an incredibly small stage, designed as a stage to face metal mario
Strong Characters -
Characters that can hit quick and have quick gimps do better. Grabs send characters all the way from one side to the other. Falcon, Pikachu, Kirby, DK, Ness
Weak Characters -
Characters that can't kill quickly or have bad/slow grabs. Samus, Fox, Link and Yoshi
Tournament Legality -
Due to how small this stage is, it would probably not be allowed in singles or doubles. However, this is not known because of it being a hack only stage
SSBPete
Smash Lord
its says on yoshi's island that falcon cant make it from the far right cloud to the map. if you falcon kick, jump then b-up you can easily make it. or if you just jump, jump b-up with the correct timing you can make it too.
asianaussie
Smash Hero
Um...remember to factor in people who want to stop you recovering. Camping on the cloud inbetween the stage and the far cloud sort of stops those three from really getting back if you have any interception skill whatsoever.
Surri-Sama
Smash Hero
Theres just as many unaccountable variables in this thread as there is in the match-up chart...if not more O_o
whats with you guys in trying to put improperly assembled, collective knowledge...into this game O_o
"Falcon can recover if he does this"
"But then he can be intercepted"
"but then he can avoid"
"But then Chuck Norris will eat your children!"
"****, you got me..."
whats with you guys in trying to put improperly assembled, collective knowledge...into this game O_o
"Falcon can recover if he does this"
"But then he can be intercepted"
"but then he can avoid"
"But then Chuck Norris will eat your children!"
"****, you got me..."
asianaussie
Smash Hero
The flaw in your argument is obvious.
Chuck Norris has already eaten your children. And through that, your children's children.
And it's true there are far too many variables...perhaps we should do this by character? It seems easier to categorise.
Chuck Norris has already eaten your children. And through that, your children's children.
And it's true there are far too many variables...perhaps we should do this by character? It seems easier to categorise.
SharkAttack
Smash Lord
Saffron City is by far my favorite stage in SSB64. It's unique because you've gotta constantly watch your footing along with the pokemon that come out of that door. Add items and it gets more crazy. I also just like it for what it is. Too bad a replication of it wasn't made on the other Smash games. They tried with Fourside on Melee but it didn't work.