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What time does this start? And any chance a big reddit TO could get in on the conversation on stream? I'd love to be able to talk about everything I've experienced with stages thus far through testing, polling, and the like.
It starts in 2 minutes according to the timer at the top of the page.
So, I think missed it. (Mainly because I didn't even know it was going to happen). How did it go? Was anything of significance said?
Apparently Lylat can launch people into the air.
Like just launch, do damage, kill?
What? How?
SSSooooooo...Could we consider that ban worthy, or maybe just move to counterpick? (If we still have that system of course).
Maybe. Bwett said he won a match because of it. Denti was bowser and made a good read and went for the side special which would've won him the game. The stage tilted and his animation was canceled and Bwett got the grab and won.
The council agreed to ban Magneto, and sent an assassin back in time to prevent his inclusion in the game. Did it work?
You can actually know when and how much the stage is going to tilt. The part you are flying through in the backgrounds tells you that. So nah, still all good.
Yeah I meant to say that Bwett actually was a bit misinformed. He said the tilting was random, which its not. One thing a lot of people don't know is Lylat Cruise is actually 5 stages, and the game randomly picks one of those stages before the match starts. Once you realize which stage has been chosen, you can tell when the stage is going to tilt.
I actually went into training mode after the talk to investigate this mechanic more in-depth since what you said about how it works (creating an airborne state) got me thinking about the mechanics and gave me ideas about how to study it. It seems to happen with specific moves that shift the animation of the attacker and only happens at four specific points on the stage (the ledges and the seams of the engines, interestingly not the platforms). I believe the internal mechanic is this. Certain animations move the character and the game has to correct for it in some way. Lylat tilting also requires some correction which is somewhat larger at the ledges or the seam due to the nature of the stage shape. Adding both together can create a cumulative error too great to automatically correct and thus you get placed in the air (if done at the ledge, you actually fall off-stage, but based on your story about tha tournament, I suspect it happened to you on the seam). I think this is actualy predictable enough to be a stage specific AT; it doesn't seem random to me as I toy with it though it's sometimes hard to figure which moves can trigger it and which can't. I believe that there's a good chance that this mechanic can simply be understood and that will make it perhaps more of a good thing than a bad thing.
I vaguely recall seeing a video of Donkey Kong going from grounded up B to airborne up B when they moved over the seam, but it was a while ago, before I think anyone understood it was because of Lylat Cruise. I wonder if other moves like Whirling Fortress may have this happen to them? What about teleports?
Yes, there would be more of an inventive to run away, and there shouldn't be anything wrong with that playstyle. You can win with it as long as there's any time limit at all, short or long.
The reasons people are against Mario Circuit 8 are that the track can block off blast zones, the karts that come by on the track and can hit players at some points, and its a traveling stage, though it follows the same path every time.
A lot of people are considering using Mario Circuit. It's been legal on the Subreddits tournaments. Also the only stages that you are really fighting the stage is Pyrosphere, Gaur Plains, and Wily Castle.
I can't speak for Pyrosphere and Gaur Plains because I don't know much about them yet, but Wily's Castle acts on a timer for the platforms and Yellow Devil. What are you fighting that's outside of your control?
You're attacking the stage, and it attacks back.
Did Denti know about the canceling ahead of time? And what looks like happened is Bowser's Side-B has strict horizontal movement, but since Lylat was tilted (it should really be noted that Lylat was tilted previous to him going for the move) he moved off the main platform. I don't think this calls for an immediate ban, but it should be looked into.
Yes, he attacks, AND there's nothing out of control about what he does. You have options at every point in the stage:
That's fine, we can call it fighting the stage. I'm not disputing that. Is taking damage from hazards that are well telegraphed uncompetitive?
Well, I'm not really here to debate that.
But you just leave yourself open for attacks if you are in the tree. The tree only is effective in drawing your opponent to you, but then you have to leave to avoid being hit.
You can just tech the actual stage instead of the track to avoid that.
I encourage any person to come to any tournament I run and abuse this stage to the max. Prove it in a tournament setting and we're all good.
