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I included Castle Siege and Kongo Jungle 64 on that list because they're banned in Brawl and Melee and I expect the inertia from that to be a problem. But maybe I'm cynical.
If VGBootcamp of all places give hope to walk offs then that makes a powerful ally; if there's one thing the majority goes for, it's big names.
Castle Siege is legal in Brawl, Kongo Jungle 64 is legal in 64 and doubles Melee.
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Well if Gamer did somehow become legal, we could just make it procedure to restart the match if the Cave of Life form is chosen.
They took the, lets start small and expand approach with the 3DS. So stages needed reasons to be legal not banned. They decided that the few problems with the stage outweigh any benefits it could bring. They are probably wrong but the damage has already been dealt.@Piford - I know you guys are talking about the Wii U stagelist but I got to ask why did VGBootcamp ban Arena Ferox? It seems like such a good legal stage. I heard some things but never found any actual evidence.
That really sucks to hear. I've been playing on this netplay website that allows Arena Ferox and I honestly didn't see any major problems. That's actually my favorite stage to play on the netplay website as Mega Man. Thanks for the respond.
Thought Castle Siege was banned, oops. And yeah, I was thinking of Melee singles with Kongo Jungle 64 but forgot about doubles and 64 itself.
The idea that more players makes for bigger stages being better has never made sense to me...
Right now we're trying to sort through a ton of information as a group. Figuring out where each other's heads are on stuff is important (our lists of these things are very similar which is good), and seeing where we differ is a useful tool for directing conversation. Our ability to do any kind of deep analysis is really pretty limited right now. The 3ds conversation died since we all know that November 21 spells the end for the 3ds version having competitive relevance, and most of us agree that most of the 3ds stages are pretty dumb anyway (we could argue over what's fair, but seemingly no one actually likes the 3ds stages). Wii U isn't actually out yet so our information is pretty slim. So really, we can just look at the totality of what's known to be in the game and try to organize what we need to keep an eye out for when the Wii U version actually comes out. Like Nabbit is very suspect as an acceptable stage element, but it's hard to say for sure he ruins the stage without the ability to actually go in game and figure out how he really works (like if there's some arcane and currently unknown trick to survive being grabbed) so we can really just say Mushroom Kingdom U is on thin ice for now and that we'll be needing to figure out Nabbit in detail ASAP.
So this definitely needs testing but the barrels might be bad. Also this clearly needs to be tested with Kirby, Charizard, ect. to soo how quickly the up throw kills with the top platform. I think the hazards are fine because they're player activated. That means there no randomness and no stages fault, its 100% due to the players input.
Out of all the stages in my sceince testing area, these are the ones that probably stand the best chance.
...Hm? That didn't look too bad actually. When you said Manaphy, I was expecting heartswap, and Registeel to act like metalface or something.
Registeel is what killed it for me. He took up the entire stage with that hazard. Now maybe it only happens when items or on or if there's four players because it seems odd that we never saw it before. If it's just random then I think its banned.
I guess that is true despite it seeming to be easily avoided. It's very disruptive to be sure.
The only fire legendaries unaccounted for are Ho-oh and Heatren. I'd guess Heatren since it fits having 2 gen 3 and 2 gen 4 pokes. I assume heatran would cause lava to fill up the floor leaving only to two platforms, and Ho-oh to either do that or performs sacred fire like he did in Melee an Brawl,
So all of the stage hazards, solid walls, the possibility of turning metal, walkoffs, Rayquaza's existence (we already knew he appeared… and he wasn't even in the champion's room so it was somewhat reasonable to expect more from each section), and the fact that the neutral part of the stage lasts less time than the hazards didn't kill the stage for you already?
All the hazards before the legendarieds were easily telegraphed and avoidable, The walkoffs don't last that long, the possibility to turn metal I wouldn't think would affect much, Rayquaza himself is EXTREMELY telegraphed and he doesn't even do that much if he does hit you.
I'm still not 100% killed. Hopefully we can find what triggers it (if anything) or Registeel has a safezone or something. Also the "neutral" part of the stage actually last more time, especially when taking into account the time in the hazard rooms where there are no hazards and the transitions.
Hazards stack up, and some people don't like Halberd because it has hazards, albeit telegraphed. You can use these hazards to gain an advantage that you wouldn't be able to get otherwise. Throwing a Yoshi main who trained hard for Apex 2015 into Rayquaza (or even the dragon head's purple fire, Manaphy's whirlpool, the floating swords, or the fire) seems like a nice treat for somebody who spent $ and time on their favorite game, and this task is only made easier since he is slow, lasts a while, and is telegraphed.
Wait Manaphy can bring in a smash ball? If your basing off the footage I think that was just coincidence (considering it spawned under the platform) if its from experience than yeah its a no go.
Did you get to play Wrecking crew? What are your overall thoughts on that stage if you did?
I really doubt manaphy would bring a smash ball since he didn't play the animation and it made no sense from pokemon lore. It was likely the only item on was the Smash Ball. But whatever, if the steel is bad enough to ban it then it doesn't matter anyways.
Can you tell me what type of projectiles can go through the fire walls in the fire section? I saw Mario's fireball pass through in one video, and I'm wondering if only fire based energy projectiles, energy projectiles, or all projectiles can go through the fire hazards (besides the steel section which I've been against for a couple pages now, I think the wall only projectiles can go through is the biggest problem with this stage since its the best situation for projectile campers, especially if they have good anti-airs).
Kinda surprised that people were giving Kalos League a chance once the hazards started to be shown off. Even if somewhat manageable, it just seemed like something that the community would eventually ban because conservative. At least we can now axe it and move on.
