SSBB North Jersey Terrabite Tournament - Pompton Lakes, NJ - May 16th

[EmuKiller]

Presenting:
SSBB Terrabite Tournament
May 16, 2009
A Super Smash Brothers Brawl singles and doubles tournament.

Also known as:
"Double Blackwaltz Birthday Bash at his Girlfriend's Workplace".

Information:
Will be held at TerraBite, a LAN center located at:
TerraBite, Inc
222 Wanaque Ave.
Pompton Lakes, NJ 07442
973-835-8377
visit www.terra-bite.com for more details
Doors open at 1pm. Doubles begins at 2pm. Don't be late.



Venue Fee:
1v1: $10
2v2: $10 per person ($20 total)

Prizes:
Singles
1st - 50%
2nd - 30%
3rd - 10%
5th/5th - 5%
Doubles:
1st- 60%
2nd - 30%
3rd - 10%
(may change depending on turnout)
Terrabite will be taking 20% of the pot

Registration begin at 1pm. doors open at 1pm. Please make sure to come at a reasonable time if you want to register for doubles. Doubles will be the first event followed by a short break for food while singles registration is going on.

Seeding will be done manually with respect to state rankings and understood skill levels.

General Rules
* Items are set to OFF
* The stock is set to 3
* The stock time limit is set to 7:00.
* All sets are best of 3 matches except the championship set which is best of 5
* Ties will be broken by lives, then percentage. In the event of a percentage tie, an additional one stock match will be played.
* Excessive stalling is banned.
* Life Stealing is allowed
* Set team attack to ON
* Wireless controllers are now allowed, but be sure to be conscious about what wii you are sync'd to. If you stay sync'd to a Wii long after your match has been completed, you will be warned or prohibited from using a wireless controller.
* Dave's Modified Stupid Rule: No stage may be used twice in a single set if the player choosing already won on that stage.
* Stage Banning: Each player may choose to eliminate 1 of the stages available on the random or counterpick list.
* You are responsible to bring your own controller. It must be an official nintendo controller.
* Controller mods of any kind, EXCEPT for cosmetic changes, are banned. If you are caught using a banned controller you will be disqualified from the tournament.
* Turbo or programmed buttons of any kind are banned. Third party controllers or pads that have these features are banned. Seriously. Just bring a nintendo gamecube controller. If you are suspected of using the banned features you will not be allowed to use that controller any longer.
* Tactics as methods of recovery or to maneuver around the stage are allowed. Using them (or any similar tactics) to excessively stall a match is banned.

Set Format (in order of procedure)
1. Opponents choose their characters for the first match. You may request a double blind pick.
2. Each player may announce their stage elimination.
3. The first stage will be played by each player continuing to strike neutral stages until only one stage is left, or opponents may agree upon a stage. The player to first select which stage is striked is whichever player is in the lower controller port.
4. The loser of the previous match announces the next match's stage from either the Random Stage List or the Counter Stage List
5. The winner of the previous match chooses their character
6. The loser of the previous match chooses their character

Neutral Stages

Battlefield
Final Destination
Smashville
Yoshi's Island (Brawl)

Counterpick Stages

Lylat Cruise
Delfino Plaza
Castle Siege
Frigate Orpheon
Battleship Halberd
Pokemon Stadium 1
Rainbow Ride
Brinstar

Additional Info:

This will be my first time personally behind the laptop and I can't promise everything will go smoothly. I won't be doing this alone of course, I'm getting help from friends and people like Orion, Bajisci, Thiocyanide. I also don't plan on entering the bracket unless I know it's small and manageable, something under 20 entrants (which I hope doesn't happen). My only job will be organizing, not competing, not running around watching or playing matches, so hopefully that will speed up the tournament. I've talked to the owner of the store about starting earlier and he's been very understand and has agreed to come at an earlier time, so please be courteous towards him. I'm currently talking to him about his policy on food and drink around the setups because I know that's been an issue for him. Remember to be courteous because this is a lan center that I'm not affiliated with.

I'll have a TV set aside next to me for melee friendlies. Other than that, the tournament will be happening in the main room where Terra-bite is providing 8 CRT TVs. What we need are Wiis, at least 5 not coming from myself or Terra-bite. Check the list of people bringing setups and the list of people attending. I'll also make a list of people who need housing, as well as people who can provide housing but as of right now that situation hasn't come up yet. If you don't want to be driving late, I can provide some couches or floorspace in my basement either Friday or Saturday night, just make sure you have a car and preferably GPS.

All is Brawl Page:
http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=5619
Tournament Listings Thread:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=228896

Results Thread:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234143

 

[Jigglymaster]

Indeed. I will be happy to come to this =D

 

[fkacyan]

Hey Silby. Me and the rest of us from Mtc should be able to make it to this. =D

 

[Orion*]

can i suggest making the payout

1st-50%
2nd-30%
3rd-10%
5th/5th-5%

 

[Inui]

Pay out top 5 in singles and top 3 in doubles, please.

Can doubles be at least $10 per person? Doubles isn't some cheap joke, and the venue stands to make more money this way as well.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

Yeah, paying out to top 5 in singles will be much better since a lot of people will probably go to this.

 

[EmuKiller]

I like the idea of paying out top 5 a lot, I just didn't think it became standard. I'll update the original post.

Can doubles be at least $10 per person? Doubles isn't some cheap joke, and the venue stands to make more money this way as well.

I know last time doubles was way too much money, it became ridiculous. For some reason the owner of Terra-bite must've forgotten last tournament's ruleset or so considering the DRASTIC difference in percent of pot being giving to Terra-bite and the huge decrease in entree fee as well. For May I think I'd like to keep doubles down to only $5 per teammate. Hopefully this becomes a once a month type thing and if it does I'll consider raising teams to $10 a person, which is reasonable. If enough people want doubles to be $20 a team, I'll listen of course.

Also, I don't care at all about how much money the venue makes.

EDIT:
I forgot to mention, I'm still talking to the owner about starting earlier. When I wrote out reasons for starting the tournament earlier, all he wrote me back with was "Then you may arrive at 1:00". So I mean uhh... I guess he'll be there at 1 but he just wants me to sit quietly for 2 hours? If he'll be in terra-bite at 1pm I mean... worst comes to worst I invite guests early. I mean it's not like you'll be locked outside. I'll post again when I get a better response to keep everyone updated.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

Good stuff man, just keep us posted

 

[EmuKiller]

Wow... soo uhh... well...

As mentioned I wrote that e-mail saying "Could the tournament start earlier?" Specifically I said: "Are guests allowed to arrive at 1pm as well? If possible I would like to begin the tournament bracket at 2pm."

To which he replied: "I prefer not, unless you want charge them a fee for using my resources.". So umm... I guess he doesn't understand that that's exactly what the 20% is for? I really have no idea how to respond to this. Or why he used a word as vague as "resources". I also have no idea how his "resources" are used up more from 1pm-11pm in comparison to 3pm-1am. I mean... seriously. It just doesn't make sense to me.

So right now I'm thinking of how to write back. To be honest, although it'd be a heck of a lot more convenient to start the tournament at 1pm, I don't want to do it if it costs more money.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

Sounds like a foolish and rude response on his part tbh. Have you gone into detail about how the tourny will be run as far as some of the pot being taken for the store? I'd clarify that the venue will be getting money and just simply ask what more would need to be paid for that isn't covered by the 20% that would be used to start earlier. It's always possible that he simply isn't clear on some of the details.

 

[fkacyan]

Will this guy ever not be a headache?

@_@

 

[CT Chia]

emukiller doesnt go to tourneys....

anyway, this is the same day as beyond the limit, which everyone should go to instead

 

[Kaiber Kop]

Ditch a good venue with good rules to go play brawl plus with fewer talented players than NJ and a host that was responsible for my worst tournament experience ever(waiting around for hours). No thank you.

 

[fkacyan]

Ditch a good venue with good rules to go play brawl plus with fewer talented players than NJ and a host that was responsible for my worst tournament experience ever(waiting around for hours). No thank you.

This man, truth he speaks.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Lol, even though I'm ur crew member brawl+ itself isn't exactly a tournament worthy to go to yet.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Why are wireless controllers banned?

 

[EmuKiller]

Wireless controllers require syncing, which no one likes. It just makes things easier, to be quite honest.

Also, everyone should check out the new starting time. As in I've talked to him, and he's agreed to open at 1pm, which makes my happy. I'm very content with how this is turning out.

And also Chibo, I just went down to MD/VA last weekend to play melee at Sypher's little what not. And I entered. So take that =-P. I go to about one tournament a season, and evidently that's all I need to be better at Brawl than you.

Have fun playing Brawl+.

 

[Inui]

Ditch a good venue with good rules to go play brawl plus with fewer talented players than NJ and a host that was responsible for my worst tournament experience ever(waiting around for hours). No thank you.

Get ***** by Enemy Controller, Chibo. <3

 

[fkacyan]

I go to about one tournament a season, and evidently that's all I need to be better at Brawl than you.

Jebus, get ***** more Chibo?

 

[Pierce7d]

Uh, Chibo was like last page ago. Moving on.

Tell the owner that if we are able to start at 1pm and end at 12pm, we will pay a 5 dollar venue fee, which is more than the cost we would've otherwise payed. Then make singles and doubles 10$ tournaments each. Doubles has become a very popular, very respected event in this area, and it pays out more people. Therefore, the entry should be more. The same number of people enter the tourney, the same or more people get payed. We shouldn't shrink the pot.

Also, singles payout is either top 4, or top 6. (Or top 3, but I'm fine with spreading the pot out more. M2k lives in our region, lol) Take your pick.

EDIT: Oh, I didn't catch this before. Unban wireless controllers, or I will not be attending. Umbra uses a Classic controller, and it has never caused a problem at any tournament before. If he isn't allowed to use his standard controller, I will not be in attendance. Nor will the rest of my crew, or any of our set-ups.

 

[EmuKiller]

Alright, I'll try to hit everything in your post.

-The tourney is already starting at 1pm, so no need for a venue fee to convince him. Do you still want a fee, just to increase the amount in the pot?

- Top 6 for singles sounds really weird. If I understand correctly it means that there'd be two non-finals matches to break the ties of 5th and 7th place? I'd be willing to try it, I just want to make sure I get it right.

-Ugh. He REALLY uses a classic controller?! I mean... fine. I remember at the first Terra-bite tournament there was an issue with classic controllers halting matches because they were staying sync'd because people weren't wise enough to know to turn them off when not in use, but I mean I don't mind changing the rules. I just didn't want to encourage alternative controller types because I know it's a problem when you get 8 year olds with wiimote + nunchuck involved.

-So both you and Inui have mentioned increasing the cost of doubles. I'll change the cost to make you guys happy and we'll see if there's any objections, but I doubt it.

If there's any other questions I'll answer. I also copied/paste most of this from the tournament a year ago, so I'm sure I have to add some stuff that's become standardized like japanese ledge grab rule, more ICs info, infinites, etc. Really any contributions to the ruleset you want to make I'm willing to listen.

EDIT: What payout (in %s) should I make singles if it were top 6 being paid out? Also, can you give me info about setups you would be able to bring? I'll start making that list of attendees and setups as soon as I get some concrete promises.

 

[Bnzaaa]

Umbra used a Classic controller at the last 2 Terrabites. It hasn't caused a problem. Just make sure that players that use those wireless contoller take their batteries out when they're finished with their matches. The kid in the orange shirt on the other hand....

Anyway, I don't think I'll be able to attend this dispite being in the area. Babysitter Johns . If I do come, it will be only for doubles.

 

[EmuKiller]

First off, Happy Easter everybody.

I was just thinking about ways to deal with controller port priority and so I just want to throw this out really quickly before I leave for some family what nots. What if we used Inui's stage strike system where each player knocks off one stage at a time, but the player with the lower controller port priority strikes the first stage? This way (with 4 neutral stages), the player with the controller port disadvantage essentially chooses the stage. Right now it seems like the only rule we have is Rock Paper Scissors, which doesn't leave the player with the disadvantage any benefits other than a chance to take the controller port. I kind of like this idea as just something small to add so that 4th player isn't so broken.

Discuss.

 

[dragonxl]

Smash tourny

Yeah I'm down for the tourny. When I went to the one in Philly they had over 64 people.

 

[Pierce7d]

First off, Happy Easter everybody.

I was just thinking about ways to deal with controller port priority and so I just want to throw this out really quickly before I leave for some family what nots. What if we used Inui's stage strike system where each player knocks off one stage at a time, but the player with the lower controller port priority strikes the first stage? This way (with 4 neutral stages), the player with the controller port disadvantage essentially chooses the stage. Right now it seems like the only rule we have is Rock Paper Scissors, which doesn't leave the player with the disadvantage any benefits other than a chance to take the controller port. I kind of like this idea as just something small to add so that 4th player isn't so broken.

Discuss.

Don't sweat it. It's never been a problem before. Make it simple and clean, first person to plug into the port gets it. This encourages the tourney to run faster. In doubles, it's 1221, with the first person to show up and plug in determining it. These might sound like problems on paper, but this isn't really a big problem at tourneys, especially not now that the community is way more familiar with each other.

If we're starting at 1, no need to add an additional venue fee. 1 to 12 should be plenty of time to run the tourney. Depending on how many people are there, we might even throw draft crews together if we have free time (it's been a while since we did draft crews. I still remember when Atomsk was the embodiment of Jesus Christ with Olimar. That was an epic day.)

Singles and Doubles at 10, venue fee at whatever it is. (Owner said 33 percent of 15, so you're better off simply listing it as 5)

Dropping $25 to enter TWO events is not really out of the question.

 

[CT Chia]

I go to about one tournament a season, and evidently that's all I need to be better at Brawl than you.

weve only been at one brawl tourney, in which i won both winners and grand finals against you. find some proof for your claims

 

[Kaiber Kop]

weve only been at one brawl tourney, in which i won both winners and grand finals against you. find some proof for your claims

Yay! More useful commentary........

Anyway, raising the price of doubles sounds like a good idea and getting rid of the wireless control ban sounds good as well. I will definitely be there and can provide a wii and brawl. Maybe a tv but I'm unsure of that.

 

[fkacyan]

weve only been at one brawl tourney, in which i won both winners and grand finals against you. find some proof for your claims

He doesn't play Brawl.

You try to and get d3 fsmashed.

Go fail somewhere else please.

@Emu: The controller port / strike system idea sounds like a good one.

 

[EmuKiller]

Next time we're at the same spot we'll money match. Starting next year I'll be a lot more active because I'll have a car down at Rowan and a doubles partner (SlikVik). So don't worry. There will be plenty of chances =-P. If you want you can take a break from your brawl+ tourney to come up here for free friendlies. I mean there's no venue fee so you might as well =-).

I might as well try the stage strike idea? I mean both Inui's strike rule and controller port pick are pretty vague at the moment and this is just a little something that kills two birds with one stone. It's not perfect, but it's something. I'm sure by 3-4 months from now there will be something else to fix these type of problems, but until then might as well try it.

People are too harsh on Chibo. He's done a lot for the tri-state area in terms of keeping brawl strong. He might not be the most skilled at the actual game, but he has the determination to keep hosting tournaments to the point where they're too overwhelming for his own good. It's something I wish I could do.

Anyway, I'll fool around with making augmentations to the tourney rules tomorrow. Until then just keep spitting out ideas. I'm going to keep the price of the tournament at $10 each event. I'm not a fan of overpriced local tournaments and it'd be hypocritical of me to host one.

 

[CT Chia]

People are too harsh on Chibo. He's done a lot for the tri-state area in terms of keeping brawl strong. He might not be the most skilled at the actual game, but he has the determination to keep hosting tournaments to the point where they're too overwhelming for his own good. It's something I wish I could do.

while i do appreciate this, i think u could leave out parts like me not being the most skilled, but i kno ur joking

im not switched to brawl+, i just play it as another game, and everyone wanted a dedicated tourney to it. its gonna be awesome. i cant rly take a break to come up there lol. slik's comin back to rowan? cool stuff. tell me when u have another mini tourney goin on down there and il b there

 

[fkacyan]

People are too harsh on Chibo. He's done a lot for the tri-state area in terms of keeping brawl strong. He might not be the most skilled at the actual game, but he has the determination to keep hosting tournaments to the point where they're too overwhelming for his own good. It's something I wish I could do.

All due respect, Emu, but you weren't at CoT4. =/

I like $5 / person teams myself, keeps my wallet from imploding. If top finishers want to continue making money off of me, I can't be broke. $_$

 

[Crizthakidd]

O_O

ill try to come is may 16 a sat?

 

[EmuKiller]

Yes it's a Saturday. And I'll keep doubles at $10 per entrant. Dan and Inui seemed pretty set at wanting it to be a moderate price. If more people speak up about wanting cheap doubles, I'll have cheap doubles, but right now it seems the majority is leaning towards $10 a person.

 

[Kaiber Kop]

I see what Cy means. Making it $10 discourages some people like Cy and myself due to inexperience in teams and not really caring much for it anyway. Either way I'd still say that $10 is the better choice for increasing the pot. I don't think enough players will be discouraged from the increase to where it will be less profitable in comparison to $5 anyway. I'll probably even still enter XD

 

[fkacyan]

Me and Orion are actually trying to get a decent team going, so I'd still enter, but...

Seeing as I'm currently jobless, money reserves are limited. xD

 

[evantronic]

Are wiimote+nunchuck controllers aloud so long as they do not stay synced to a wii after the match?

 

[evantronic]

Ah nevermind, I answered my own question. Lol. I am confused about the stage selection. I've never been to a tourney and I'm confused as to what stages we are and are not aloud to play. Can someone clarify this for me?

Thank you!

 

[Ru-fi-o]

If you main Link, it's not gonna matter

 

[HyperEnergy]

Yeah, I'm totally coming to this. Still need Wiis?

 

[fkacyan]

Yeah, I'm totally coming to this. Still need Wiis?

Even if we don't bring it, more wiis is always a good thing.