SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[lightdasher]

Because PSASBR didn't have motion capture, apparently.



Thing is, the excuse he used doesn't add up.

Why? Have you never ever mixed something up?

 

[Spazzy_D]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2385173/fullcredits/

He is not one of the motion caption specialists or stunt guys named in the credits according to IMDB, but that doesn't mean he wasn't involved. If someone that knows more about the industry could look at that they might be able to tell you something.

Edit: Took to long to post!

 

[Zhadgon]

"there was no mocap for all stars though either. And hes not listed in the credits or anything else either, i could understand if it was scrapped but i think he would know about that."


Seems your right.

What's going on?

EDIT:

Wait... Did he do mo-cap for Metal Gear Rising?

It says Junya Iwamoto in the wiki, link: http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Rising:_Revengeance

.n_n.

 

[R0Y]

Slightly more likely Snake returns.

 

[Z25]

Not buying that stamens, confusing those two is like confusing sonic with mario. Anyway i doubt he is playable but would be fine if snake stayed as well. Plus he is probably trying to cover for leaking that info.

 

[Pazzo.]

Everyone is trolling, I´m so confused .
.n_n.

It's a real headache... but I love mystery!

Reading the rest of the comments, no one knows what the Sam Hill is going on.

 

[Staarih]

I don't know what being a voice actor is like, but you'd think they'd remember the games they've worked on. Why mention Smash Bros in correlation to Raiden if he's never worked on it? Even as a mix up it seems odd.

 

[SlickWylde]

It also says in that article: "Also worth noting, Langdon was actually talking about mo-cap work and not voice work." for those saying he didn't do any voice work for PSABR.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Just when life picks me up, it kicks me in the pants soon after. *sigh*

Its still hard to tell whats going on though, whether hes covering or he legit goofed and he did mocap for raiden (although im wondering where because none of it looks like mocap).

 

[BluePikmin11]

And… Just like that… http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225510-raiden-not-appearing-in-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds

Which is totally odd, since he didn't voice Raiden in PSASBR according to the voice lists that I saw throughout the thread.

My head is hurting right now.
Still staying very neutral.

 

[iam8bit]

Like someone said earlier, it seems the guy knows his games and more than likely didn't know Smash wasn't out yet or that Snake hadn't even been revealed.

I smell backtracking and saving face. We'll see if the interview gets taken down or edited, but I'm leaning towards Snake being playable and Raiden being in the game in some capacity.

 

[Muster]

It's weird how his definition of "playing" changes from one part of the article to the next.
How does portal use motion capture? It doesn't even have many voices to begin with, either.

 

[iam8bit]

And like others have mentioned, this already happened with Krystal's voice actress pre-Brawl, so it's not unprecedented.

Actually, she wasn't even censored by Nintendo or forced to backtrack IIRC, they kinda just ignored her spilling the beans. It's not like these minor appearances are super important "top secret" information to begin with.

 

[Smash Bro]

And the plot thickens! Boy, I never knew how exciting the world of analyzing potentially-leaked information could be.

A statement from the allegedly guilty party, while seemingly honest, does not confirm its legitimacy. I'm not totally convinced either way about Raiden's inclusion in Smash. As far as I'm concerned, this isn't over.

 

[R0Y]

You Snake guys are in for some disappointment.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm getting more and more unbelieving for Snake as the unknown and false info thickens.

 

[Simensis]

Just watched the credits for Playstation All-Stars. There are credits for the Mo-Cap team, but only the technicians. Strange, because IMDB lists even the uncredited actors/stunts and you don's see Reuben Langdon anywhere... It could also mean the list is not complete though...

 

[Meme]

Well here it is...

http://www.gonintendo.com/s/225510-raiden-not-appearing-in-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds

Seemed odd to me, but had a glimmer of hope for snake at least...

 

[Silvera]

Well that was fast..

 

[Marakatu]

And like others have mentioned, this already happened with Krystal's voice actress pre-Brawl, so it's not unprecedented.

Actually, she wasn't even censored by Nintendo or forced to backtrack IIRC, they kinda just ignored her spilling the beans. It's not like these minor appearances are super important "top secret" information to begin with.

IIRC, she actually edited her blog post to remove Krystal.

 

[Davidius]

In the context of the interview it does seem as though he was talking wanting to mocap in Metal Gear as it sometimes bounces into his 'field'. Now I am sad.

It's weird how his definition of "playing" changes from one part of the article to the next.
How does portal use motion capture? It doesn't even have many voices to begin with, either.

"Oh, Portal. Is that possible even?! (laughing)"
He's joking about how Portal features very little in the way of anything you could use motion capture for (only machine NPCs, no proper cutscenes).

 

[Inawordyes]

I saw the leak on r/Smashbros and jum.ped ship to Smashboards to catch up on the discussion here, but then I stumbled across the Chrom leak (which explains the large page number increase). As a quick aside, did that get proved/admitted fake?

Okay, so it sounds like he's definitely taking the easy way out, especially by the tone of his response (copy-pasted from the copy-paste in the NeoGAF thread):

"Oh, the all-stars battle Royale was the one I was in. Lol! Yep. Totally got them confused."

That sounds a whole lot like backtracking, especially with the fact that he is not credited for mo-cap work in PSASBR, and the mo-cap for Raiden in PSASBR was lifted from MGS, where he wasn't the mo-cap guy for Raiden there either. Referencing iam8bit's comment above, Nintendo didn't force the actress who voiced Krystal in Brawl to backtrack when she accidently leaked her involvement, likely because Krystal had only a minor role and not something as big as being playable. But if Mr. Langdon is backtracking, then Raiden's role can't be minor, meaning he isn't and couldn't possibly be (if in the game) [just] a Codec Conversation, and if he isn't [just] a Codec Conversation member, then he has a bigger role, likely an assist trophy, which definitely fits the bill if they're adding more AT's, possibly either on top of the ones they already had in Brawl (Grey Fox and Raiden, Shadow and Tails/Knuckles), or the 3rd-party series are getting new AT's to replace the ones they had in Brawl, meaning that either way Raiden would be in. All the while Raiden's involvement at all bodes very well for Snake, who was never shot down as not being in SM4SH (which supports Sakurai's own comments regarding trying to get everybody back and as many in as possible, but apologizing to those whose favorites may not end up making the cut; as pointed out many times, this means that he had to have renegotiated the rights to Snake to be able to say that, meaning he's more-than-likely in).

So that's my rant, haha.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I saw the leak on r/Smashbros and jum.ped ship to Smashboards to catch up on the discussion here, but then I stumbled across the Chrom leak (which explains the large page number increase). As a quick aside, did that get proved/admitted fake?

Yeah, the Chrom leak was admitted fake.

That sounds a whole lot like backtracking, especially with the fact that he is not credited for mo-cap work in PSASBR, and the mo-cap for Raiden in PSASBR was lifted from MGS, where he wasn't the mo-cap guy for Raiden there either. Referencing iam8bit's comment above, Nintendo didn't force the actress who voiced Krystal in Brawl to backtrack when she accidently leaked her involvement, likely because Krystal had only a minor role and not something as big as being playable. But if Mr. Langdon is backtracking, then Raiden's role can't be minor, meaning he isn't and couldn't possibly be (if in the game) [just] a Codec Conversation, and if he isn't [just] a Codec Conversation member, then he has a bigger role, likely an assist trophy, which definitely fits the bill if they're adding more AT's, possibly either on top of the ones they already had in Brawl (Grey Fox and Raiden, Shadow and Tails/Knuckles), or the 3rd-party series are getting new AT's to replace the ones they had in Brawl, meaning that either way Raiden would be in. All the while Raiden's involvement at all bodes very well for Snake, who was never shot down as not being in SM4SH (which supports Sakurai's own comments regarding trying to get everybody back and as many in as possible, but apologizing to those whose favorites may not end up making the cut; as pointed out many times, this means that he had to have renegotiated the rights to Snake to be able to say that, meaning he's more-than-likely in).

Chances are he hasn't even received word from Nintendo, any guy involved in such business will try and cover up before **** hits the fan. Like Marakatu also says, I'm fairly certain Krystal's voice actor did take it off her blog when the flame began spreading, whether it was Nintendo forcing her or if she did it herself after word got out we don't know.

 

[Banjodorf]

Why? Have you never ever mixed something up?

You're misunderstanding. The guy didn't voice Raiden in PSABR. Like, he's not listed for anything, including MoCap.

Unless he has absolutely no idea what the hell he's even talking about, it sounds like a coverup, and is completely fishy anyway.

 

[lightdasher]

You do realize Reuben Langdon does Mocap right? Nothing to do with voices at all.

 

[BKupa666]

Hmm...a correction? Or a cover-up? If he actually is involved in Smash and Freudian Slipped up in sharing that, it's not as though he's going to come out and say, "Oh yeah, that's what I'm doing, stay tuned for more, wink wink, nudge nudge" when pressed. Time shall tell.

 

[Banjodorf]

You do realize Reuben Langdon does Mocap right? Nothing to do with voices at all.

I mentioned MoCap did I not? He's not listed for that, and, as has been stated already, did not do the MoCap for Raiden in Rising, from which the motions for him in PSBAR came from.

 

[Muster]

he's not listed for anything, including MoCap.
including MoCap.
including MoCap.

You do realize Reuben Langdon does Mocap right? Nothing to do with voices at all.

I think he realizes this.

I for one am thinking this is a coverup, as PSABR was also developed in japan, with japanese mo cap actors (for the most part), so i don't know why Langdon would be involved in any way, especially considering he isn't listed in the credits.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I mentioned MoCap did I not? He's not listed for that, and, as has been stated already, did not do the MoCap for Raiden in Rising, from which the motions for him in PSBAR came from.

If the motions for PSABR comes from another game, then it's a guaranteed cover-up pretty much. I mean, why would he mention that he played Raiden in PSABR when the animations come from another game which he actually did the motions for?

 

[Shin F.]

I mentioned MoCap did I not? He's not listed for that, and, as has been stated already, did not do the MoCap for Raiden in Rising, from which the motions for him in PSBAR came from.

Exactly. Besides that, if the animations for PSABR came from Rising, then why did he specifically say he did the MoCap for PSABR? That's suspicious, he wouldn't have said he did it for All-Stars, he would have said he did it for Rising.

Ninja'd.

 

[Banjodorf]

As far as I'm concerned, we'll be seeing Snake unless there's proof otherwise.

It never made much sense for him to be cut anyway.

 

[Davidius]

You do realize Reuben Langdon does Mocap right? Nothing to do with voices at all.

He has done voice work before (Ken in SFIV for example).

But yeah, in the context of the interview it seems likely to me that he was talking about playing characters in the context of motion capture. Unless I see a source that he definitely didn't do Raiden's motion capture* work in All Stars then I'm inclined to believe it was a genuine mistake - because it was a minor role he did (which could tie into him being uncredited).

*somebody said it was imported from Rising but I haven't seen a source for it. I would love for this to be true because it would practically confirm Snake.

 

[Zhadgon]

Fishy as hell, I think he is covering it up so Nintendo dosen´t get to his doorstep with a big lawsuit .
.n_n.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Is there a link to where he said this on twitter? Because even gonintendo doesnt have a link, and i dont see it on twitter either.

 

[Simensis]

What we need is some info that says whether there was or not MoCap specifically for Raiden. Isn't there a "making of" video or article of this game or something? Maybe ask a PSASBR uber fan?

 

[Pazzo.]

Ugh, my head hurts from all this. Let's find some half-attempted GameFaqs rumor and discuss that. XD

For all of you who have no since of humor, I do NOT suggest the above.

 

[chronomantic]

Would it be even possible for Raiden to be in Smash considering he was already in PABR? too much of a licensing/nintendo vs sony mess right?

 

[Chrimbo]

Well, that got debunked quickly.

Almost too quickly...

 

[iam8bit]

IIRC, she actually edited her blog post to remove Krystal.

I see, thanks. So this guy may have had to backtrack too after all.

Will they take down or edit his interview?

 

[Shin F.]

He has done voice work before (Ken in SFIV for example).

But yeah, in the context of the interview it seems likely to me that he was talking about playing characters in the context of motion capture. Unless I see a source that he definitely didn't do Raiden's motion capture* work in All Stars then I'm inclined to believe it was a genuine mistake - because it was a minor role he did (which could tie into him being uncredited).

*somebody said it was imported from Rising but I haven't seen a source for it. I would love for this to be true because it would practically confirm Snake.

The very fact that we can't find a source saying he did is as good as saying that he didn't. You can't find a source for something that never happened. Why would it be mentioned anywhere, ever, that a specific person didn't work on something? An inability to find proof that he did do the work shouldn't necessarily be taken as an indication that he didn't, but it strongly hints at it.